Who are Hercules, The Grandmaster, and Beta Ray Bill? - Marvel Comics Lore
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- čas přidán 22. 01. 2024
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Planet Hulk is here so as part of a new series, I look at the characters behind the Marvel Snap cards to see what they're known for in the comics and how well they fit into the game. This week we're doing Hercules, The Grandmaster, and Beta Ray Bill.
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Nice Weekly Planet shout out.
Haha, okay, that was what I heard.
Went down to comment this thinking I would be the only one who cared. Guess it shouldn’t surprise me since they actually shout out Nando like all the time
@@melvinlinderoth7108THANK GOD I WASNT THE ONLY ONE. We need them to cross over with Nando, it would be gold
Gr8 M8s unite!
I can stress this enough, I love that you are doing this series.
One idea tho: if some cards don't relate directly to some other cards, try to find connections through the variants (1602, steampunk, noir and so on). I feel there are sometimes some really good connections to be talked about.
was i the only one who thought that Hercules moves cards because he throws them? something about the animation made me think of olympic throws, such as shotput, discus or specifically, the hammer throw.
Every new entry in this video series brings me closer and closer to downloading Marvel Snap
please do! if you have any interest in card games it works so well. it’s just the right amount of depth without being overwhelming
I’d argue that Beta Ray Bill’s translation into Marvel Snap works a bit more than you give it credit, because being a higher energy means he is not just Thor but stronger, he requires more investment.
At a lower cost, Thor is more likely the better card. You have more turns to find your hammer when played on curve, his lower cost allows him to hit the field sooner so you can still play your other 4-cost card, and a static power boost means he is not ruined by negative power. Thor is the more consistent team player. Beta Ray Bill emulates Thor, but is more volatile. He tries to be the stronger Thor, but has the chance of failings when things go wrong.
I feel that this is similar to how they handled Green Goblin and Hobgoblin. Both have negative power and move to the opponents side, and you would expect Green Goblin to be the one with more negative power, but he isn’t. However, because Green Goblin is the 3-cost instead of the 5-cost, he is often the better card for what he is trying to do - ruin your opponents plan. Green Goblin is smart, and when played smartly on curve can clog an opponents lane to expertly ruin their day. So while Hobgoblin tries to be the bigger, badder goblin, his ambitions are more likely to blow up in your face if your opponent fills the lane you try to place him at or he just comes too late to stop your opponents plan.
Note: The mace has no name, and it is not made of Adamantium, it is Adamentine, an Olympian metal that inspired Adamantium's name
1:28 he does say Adamantine
Love this series, please consider going back and covering previous seasons as well I need to know what Silver Samurai's deal is
As a fan of marvel snap, Im so happy youre doing these
I already really liked last episode. Can’t wait for this series.
I recently read the Hercules series that picks up after planet Hulk and I love that dummy so much. He’s so much fun. My favourite part of the story is when Amadeus is captured by a bunch of amazons and all Hercules can think of is “Aw yeah, my boy is about to get laid!” And then he spots Amadeus through a window being interrogated by the leader of the Amazons in a bedroom and Hercules just gives Amadeus the biggest goofiest grin and a thumbs up😂.
I like how Hercules is an imperfect reflection of Thor in his less traditionally chivalrous behaviour, that he calls out how rediculous it is for ancient Greeks to speak in old English since they themselves are way older than that, and that he fights like an Ancient Greek, that is to say dirty, crotch kneeing (did that to Thor), eye gouging and all.
I’ve never seen a story where Hercules has a male lover in the comics, though Hercules being Bisexual makes complete sense given Ancient Greece. Anyone know an example of Hercules X man in a story?
The first Hercules comic I ever read was from the late 2010s, the one where he’s roommates with Gilgamesh, and he’s trying to be a more respectable hero. I don’t remember much else about it unfortunately. I do remember that I wasn’t super interested in it and he kind of just felt like a discount Thor. Glad that’s not his usual.
Also I just reread the story where Red Hulk kills the Grandmaster. I guess Grandmaster got better later on.
Haaaaaave you read X-Treme X-Men --- you're looking for Dazzler as the team lead. Trust me, it was great but ended too soon :P
Hercules and Wolverine?
@@BintanginTaya oh yeah, that one AU. I remember hearing about that a while back
@@BintanginTaya yup. Multiversal lovers and great series
this is so good, I'm going to share every video of this series, because I really want this to keep going for as long as possible
As a Marvel Snap fan who's only recently getting into the comics, I LOVE that you're doing this. It gives me ideas of which characters I want to look into further
Honestly, my favourite Hercules stuff in comics was in Al Ewing's Guardians of the Galaxy run (a favourite, really, I quite enjoyed it on many levels) - his relationship with Noh-Varr's actually pretty great, was happy to see it after feeling for Marvel Boy after the end of Young Avengers. Outside of that, maybe Herc's solo run by Dan Abnett. Haven't really read anything where I cared about The Grandmaster, but he wasn't bad, while Beta Ray Bill's really fun. Nice to see this videos continue, even if I don't connect on the base level of the card game.
I've been on this channel since forever, but this series (i.e. introducing the lore of new Snap cards to players) is absolute genius. This series will blow up, that's for sure.
Hercules - The first time a card moves here each turn, has sex with it
I already love this series! A friend recommended your channel to me with your "2023 is over" Video since he knows I play Snap practically daily. I honestly have little to no idea about Comics, so this is a really cool way of getting to know the characters. I'm definitely looking forward to more of this! I also wouldn't mind if you'd tell us more about Characters that are already in Snap, but may be not as well known as your Iron Mans and Spidermans are.
DUDE i need that MODOK mug in the back
0:58 “One of my absolute favourites.” Thats subscribe worthy. Anyone that recognizes how great this character is deserves support.😅👍
3:12 I would disagree with this. Zeus doesn’t have a proper heir, because unlike the Asgardians, the Olympians are truly immortal and unaging, but several comics over the years have indicated that Hercules was basically Zeus’ second-in-command and favourite child. Like the Hercules (1982) miniseries by Bob Layton (which is worth a read and the first miniseries Marvel our out along with Frank Miller’s Wolverine). I think this is a much more recent change that we saw with Greg Pak. Great video though. Good content as usual.
As a fan of marvel snap, a huge fan, since beta. Thank you for this series
Hercules!!! I’ve never played Marvel Snap, but I’m loving these vids. Thanks and looking forward to the next one
this is one of my favorites series already. to piggyback on another comment, i would love either in these or separate videos going into depth about some of the variants that have lore reasons to exist. some of the variants look so cool and ill end up reading online about them for 30+ minutes. but to hear it explained from someone who truly knows marvel comics would be amazing
2:04 weekly planet is a major plus, it's cool to see that my favourite CZcamsrs at least know of each other. Like shaffrillas and eddache were in the x-men villains video, eddache is good friends with tomska who's collabed with caddicarus, its neat to see crossover like that.
Genuinely a fantastic idea to do this series, you are perfectly suited for it. Honestly, I would love to see a video a week, short sweet ones about individual cards. Maybe even CZcams Shorts to avoid overworking and/or affecting the main channel. Whatever you do with it, I'll be here to watch
I just started playing the game because of these videos! New obsession!
Nando, you're always killing it!
oh brother i’m sorry for the amount of time you’re gonna spend on the game. it’s so much fun i’ve been hooked since the beta, it’s the perfect balance of quick games but still strategic
@@poofpiff3195 I have... Already spent more time than I should have 😂 you're totally right, it's a blast! Just the right balance of luck and strategy
I do wish Goldstein had played hero in the Hercules live action remake before he appeared in the mcu. I believe that this was their only chance to pull a stunt like this. Especially if they had pulled the muses from that movie and made everything with herc into a musical at least until someone shuts them up.
This is such an awesome series. I’d love to see you do collabs with Cozy and Alex or other snap creators
yes! i’d kill for a segment on their snapchat with him just explaining lore to them haha
Thank you for doing this series!!
This video is great, really like this idea. It's actually been what's gotten me into playing Marvel snap. Any chance you'll do some already existing cards? I'm fairly Marvel savey, but quiet early on you unlock a guy called Kazar I am not familiar with (who's ability I really like). Would love to hear more about the already existing cards for characters I've never heard of.
Love the Weekly Planet shoutout
This is a cool niche you've found in the Marvel Snap space
Great video again! not to have marvel snap take over your whole channel but i’d love if you’d mention some of the locations too. they are always so interesting to me and from my very limited comic knowledge , they seem to make sense but would love to hear your take on them
Absolutely love this series. Very excited that I just found it as you are starting it! Hope you consider covering past seasons and other past cards. I need to know about Strong Guy
Da king is back baby he neva miss
Great idea nando! Will keep watching! :)
Love seeing you talk about snap!
Who is Grandmaster? My birthday twin. Yes, Random Hank shares a birthday with Jeff Goldblum
fantastic video & series
please add to your Marvel Snap playlist when you upload these, ty
Love a rare weekly planet shoutout
Love these videos! 😭
Might be a bit late to comment here but the Feb update video recently dropped and gave me an idea. They go over the new cards and give a slight reasoning or a talking point about why the card has their ability. Maybe you could add some of that to the discussion on your next season card lore vids. Looking forward to them!
when i saw ur release schedule I knew it was based on Marvel Snap's seasons
Please don't stop making this series!
Recently I've been rereading GotG by Al Ewing, and Herc becomes a Guardian for a while, even if he has a much smaller role. Really fun book and a new take on Herc, too. He's a more regal, heroic version than previous version due to all the Olypians being "reborn" and he even has a thing with No-Varr, Marvel Boy. Overall, really good stuff, as Ewing does.
Plus, this run has some of my favorite issue titles of all time.
The Animated film definitely doesn't connect with Earth's Mightiest Heroes.
(Great video btw)
This series is just perfect
Top tier educational content.
i'd love to see some videos about existing cards too
I really enjoy Hercules so its always a good time to get some of his lore,
great idea for a serie! would love to hear about elektra 🙏😩
Nice. Like the videos. Hope they do well.
4:03 nothing wrong with the video but I just found it kind of funny that Thor basically just went back to his old costume except instead of wristbands he has hand wraps
I never noticed the Grandmaster cameoed in the Planet Hulk movie! That's really cool!
I know there’s no chance you do but I’d love if you did this for every character in the game
Ahh Nando, I see you're not part of the cult. We're not a cult, right m8?
I can picture Herc flinging something across space and time. Problem is other decks can benefit from it as well, if it penalized enemy cards or had higher power it could work a lot better.
Wow I had no idea about the Beta Ray Bill connection
I'd love it if Keith David got to voice Beta Ray Bill in the MCU like he's wanted to. Also, why the heck is Wonder Man not playable? Are they waiting for the show to come out?
I think if Jubilee didn't already exist in Snap, that would've been the perfect effect for GM, but alas.
Jubilee
4 Cost, 1 Power
On Reveal: Add the top card of your deck to this location.
happy grandmaster day! i think i’m the only one who thinks he’s way too clunky to be amazing
For sure going all in on bull I have 6k tokens and 4 caches to guarantee his variant
Interesting that Beta Ray Bill is a more “serious” character. Given his name, I always assumed he was a more humorous character.
Oh yeah been waiting for this!!!!
Also first.
You aren’t first go away
for BRB in Planet Hulk Animated, i assume it was due to Silver Surfer's convoluted rights, being part of FF ip and also maybe being owned by someone else at the time like a Sony or Fox .. I thought using BIll was an inspired choice for that, and plays perfectly into What If/ Exiles kinda multiversing .. petition for Bill in S3 of D+ What IF hrmm ..
Would love to see infinaut
I really appreciate you comparing Thor and Hercs personalities based on Thors MCU characterization. Also reminds me that after Endgame there was articles talking about how asexual the MCU is compared to the comics.
Bill is definitely one of my favorites and comparing him to Thor, I think Bill is more self serious and tragic. Hes got a more personal and sacrificial drive than Thor. I highly recommend Godslayer. It really highlights what drives Bill and to what extent he will go. The difference in game play, I think is less Beta Ray Bill isn't accurate and more I'd revisit Thor. Beta Ray Bill is more a bruiser and berserker. He's got enhanced almost feral combat abilities and he's a soldier and guardian. Thor weilds more powers and versatility with Mjolnir. He can summon lightning or throw Mjolnir. Stormbreaker doubling Thor or Bill's power feels right, but Mjolnir should let you bounce it or do something to disrupt your opponents board. I just dont know what.
Also now I wanna try a combo of Bill, Herc, and Iron Fist. Drop Herc, next turn drop Bill, get Stormbreaker. Stormbreaker double Bill, drop iron fist, move Stormbreaker to Herc, herc knocks it back to Bill.
I really wanted you to say Hercules f**ks and just add a bleep. Would’ve made Diggins proud.
I realized no one ever talks about Fire Lord.. I can’t find any videos about him and I barely know anything except he’s one of the first n he’s connected to F4 I think
I’m the Beta Ray Bill fan you referenced (but I am a poser since he’s only my second favorite character)
Is Infinity the comic about Thanos killing all his children but Thane who makes it to Earth to survive?
It is
Hopes you mention X-Treme X-Men = where hercules dates AU cowboy wolverine
The Grandmaster is... DJ!?
tell me why I thought Beta Ray Bill was some kind of weird dinosaur and not a horse man
Voyager is the daughter of one of the grandmaster
Yoo marvel snap is fun. Who the heck is The Grandmaster
Is Beta Ray Bill 5 or 6 power? The graphic shows 5 power at 23:40
Hercules as a raging bisexual king is something I’d love to see on screen
Based *purely* off the cards shown here, Marvel Snap seems like the kind of card game that could be played in paper. Do you think that’ll ever happen?
One of the biggest draws of Marvel Snap is how quick the games are compared to other card games (usually under 3 minutes). While you probably could do it on paper, the time it takes to do some of the calculations required for certain cards and strategies conflicts with the fast pace of the game.
a lot of cards in the game have mechanics that would be very difficult to do with paper. a lot of tokens and power levels are always changing so it would need so much writing for such a short game. it definitely works much better on mobile
@@bennett4789 That’s too bad, the trading card aspect for Marvel characters would probably be popular. Is the game entirely characters or are there also “action” / “spell” cards?
@@willjackson5885 Just characters + a ocasional token (Thor's hammer, a squirrel...)
@@willjackson5885 there are also some objects that have their own cards like quinjet, cerebro, and hulkbuster
is this an ad for marvel snap??
Are you a snap player?
Bro how do you not have Galactus yet😮😮
So I hate playing against Galactus so much that I can't see myself playing him.
@@thenandocut take my word for it, you make yourself a Galactus deck with death, and Knull throw wave and spiderman along with wolverine and you'll have yourself a very fun deck
This probably won’t happen in the MCU. Hercules has been de-sex’d in the modern comics. It’s a shame.
plz put chapters in 30 min vid
Find the issue of Hercs wake. All the women superheroes crying and commiserating and talking about having sex with him. Including the male superhero Northstar. A first for Marvel to my knowledge. Many of the ancient Greeks were bisexual don’t you know.
Why are you american GrandLineReview
We don’t care about marvel snap bruh
Who's we?