Rings of Power Showrunners Had NO Plan, No Experience - Entertainment Weekly Lord of the Rings
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- čas přidán 16. 07. 2022
- Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power has released the third trailer on Amazon Prime Video alongside an Entertainment Weekly Exclusive article. But with a 1 Billion dollar production budget for Season 1 of Lord of the Rings: Rings of Power, and a requirement to move countries during production, is this what it seems?
With JD Payne and Patrick McKay lacking the experience you would expect for such a major IP as J. R. R. Tolkien's LOTR was this the right decision when they seemingly didn't have a plan, only "inspiration" from the Lord of the Rings.
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The EW Entertainment article admitted that J D Payne and Patrick McKay had barely any experience before the Billion dollar LOTR: Rings of Power hire and pitched a plan of taking nothing off the table. How can you EVER stick to canon when you wont even rule out being limited by it? What do you think of the EW article and their admissions? Why do you think Amazon would put their most expensive project in the hands of people with barely any experience in the industry? Let me know your thoughts below, and as always, thanks for watching :)
'The extensive notes published in the appendices' is strange phrasing.
Why not just say 'based on the appendices'?
I mean the appendices are essentially done in narrative format.
There's a new article, now on Forbes questioning Amazon’s choice for inexperienced showrunners. Things are falling apart quickly.
"A fool and his money is easily parted."
I just find it fucking weird, that if you look behind a lot of disasters lately, they were written/done by people who have next to no experience and definitely have not worked on anything groundbreaking. For example: Benioff was the writing genius that has sown Deadpool's mouth shut, the idiot who wrote Doctor Stange 2 wrote the universe breaking mess of a series, Loki and little else, writer for Kenobi has written two screenplays, one for them for the Army of the Dead. One of the writers of Book of Boba Fett has a couple of shorts in past 10 years. They invest a shit ton of money into these projects, but somehow they can't get people with a few notches on their belt. Reminds me of Jurrasic Park: "We spared no expense!"
You can't. 🤷♀ That's just it. 😐
I hate it. Because they're stupid, that's why! DX
Anyone who’s even slightly familiar with Tolkien can see the bad signs. For example, the name “Eleanor” is clearly stolen from Sam’s daughter…except she was called that because it was a flower that grew in Lothlorien. So giving another hobbit that name makes ZERO sense.
Tolkien was always VERY careful with his names and languages: this series would have broken his heart.
Also nori, another of the harfoots name is one of the names of the dwarves in the hobbit, if I’m remembering correctly. Not a hobbit name.
Its almost like Tolkien was a linguist
@@g.r.o.g.u.1892 And a polyglot, and an etymologist.
@@jareddavidson6654 And hobbits weren't black.
@@bigguy7353 Or homeless.
“It should reflect the real world”
*LITERALLY IS A FANTASY PROJECT*
Technically it did kind of reflect the real world. That world was Tolkien's life 70 years ago. It is accurate, just old.
@@moonlitskylight5740 not even that, technically Tolkien wasn't really reflecting the world of his time, he made the world that was inspired by the historical culture, folklore and mythology of Europe, he made it a sort of quasi old prehistorical setting, kind of like Hyborian Age of Howard portrayed an ancient style type world.
@@fantasywind3923 Exactly. Well said.
Do you have any objections to everyone using modern day English in the series？ That is a concession to the real world after all....
@@lewiswarburton1224 that's why we have the appendix F On translation duh!!
" II
ON TRANSLATION
In presenting the matter of the Red Book, as a history for people of today
to read, the whole of the linguistic setting has been translated as far as
possible into terms of our own times. Only the languages alien to the Common
Speech have been left in their original form; but these appear mainly in the
names of persons and places.
The Common Speech, as the language of the Hobbits and their narratives, has
inevitably been turned into modern English. In the process the difference
between the varieties observable in the use of the Westron has been lessened.
Some attempt has been made to represent these varieties by variations in the
kind of English used; but the divergence between the pronunciation and idiom of
the Shire and the Westron tongue in the mouths of the Elves or of the high men
of Gondor was greater than has been shown in this book. Hobbits indeed spoke for the most part a rustic dialect, whereas in Gondor and Rohan a more antique
language was used, more formal and more terse."
Boycott rings of power!
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I'm cracking up that NOW the showrunners are saying that Tolkien didn't want real world politics after all the backlash. How hollow and insincere for both fans and people who they baited with their promises of modernizing Tolkien. They don't care about either group. And what a freaking slap in the face after that maliciously vindictive vanity fair article that took the offense against fans. What a joke.
If only people would focus on the importance of understanding the past on its own terms instead of projecting modern ideas and attitudes back into the past.
@@secondchance6603 once your second chance is telling you this.... obey
you sound so insecure
It's shocking, wasnt the whole point of Tolkiens books a comment on real time politics of the time? Industrial revolution and progress and harm to the environment? I gew up in the area that was one of his inspirations at Sarehole Mill, Moseley bog, and the (alleged) towers in Birmingham. He started the whole genre, almost the whole fantasy world owes its origins to this man and his books. Millions of people know what it should look like, yet these pseudo-intelects think they know better. The Peter Jacskon movies were the closest to LOTR and there are still errors in that, but forgivable. What is being done to classics like LOTR, WoT etc is outrageous, dumbing down nonsense.
@@tagred1831 He was quoted to hate allegory in all its forms. He didn't want it to have any real world parallels, and instead for it to act as a standalone fairytale of his own making
Amazon really thought that LOTR fans would be like MCU fans.
They will watch and defend whatever the crap studio produces.
How wrong they were.
They made a grave mistake
multiverse of the rhangs
I don't know any MCU fans who watch and defend everything in it. Not sure that you understand that most fans of one are fans of the other. Every comic book person I've ever met has had a love for Tolkein just as old as their love for comics. And in many cases, the love for one led DIRECTLY to discovering the other.
Dc Fan?
@@bigguy7353 I have seen many.
Trust me, MCU has the most Toxic Fandom of all.
They really can't stand any criticism.
The hubris required to be "limited" by the work of Tolkien is just staggering. It is demigod level narcissism.
Also, how much did Tolkien hate other people messing with his work? He sent the publisher a note saying "which one of us is a professor of languages?" because they kept changing dwarves to dwarfs.
The utter hubris, that they didn’t want to limit themselves to the stories of Tolkien
As if they had even the faintest whiff of his talent and integrity
So? Amazon doesn't have the rights to The Silmarillion, and the LotR trilogy and The Hobbit have already been adapted.
@@reek4062 Then why do it in the first place? Why keep using the LOTR name only to produce something that doesn't even remotely resemble LOTR or even implement Tolkien's ideas or his views. If anything it's downright disrespectful.
easy with the antisemetism mccall. we will make your interest rates go up
@@syedzafar7934 Because LotR has brand recognition. Fans will buy the product of their brand. The Tolkien family gets paid, so there is nothing disrespectful aboot it.
@@reek4062 You assume there is nothing disrespectful because money is involved.... This is a slap across the face to Tolkien and his writing and anyone else who loves what he wrote.
Holy shit. How do I convince a mega-corporation to give me a BILLION DOLLARS to make something when I've got no experience in the field??
like the saying goes "its not what you know, its who you know"
Tell em you're apart of the LGBTQ community, and want to bring diversity
It used to be a blowjob and a slap on the butt... I guess all it takes is being woke.
Tell them your extreme left leaning politics and assure them of your aggressively woke credentials. Hey presto
Sadly a billion is just pocket change to Amazon.
Just remember that the beloved Jackson trilogy cost less than 300 million for all three films.
If Amazon hasn't laundered the vast majority of the money for this subpar show, than they're idiots.
Inflation plays heavily into those figures, however, Peter Jackson had years to hone his craft. Years of experience and wisdom knowing when to scale back budgets to continue production.
Most movies and streaming shows blow so much budget on multiple CG contractors. Peter Jackson at least attempted to use practical sets and effects, but not with these millennial directors, who heavily rely on post-visual effects that could’ve been done with less than a thousand dollars of prosthetics. Almost every frame of the new LOTRs show looks like a video game. Even tech demos attempt to recreate lived-in, weathered environments, but not with Amazon’s show. Everything looks stunningly too clean, almost like a 50s broadway play.
Bezo is laughing all the way to mars
@@PolishTamales Inflation from then to now wasn't all that huge until an unelected potato f'ed up American energy and economic policy on day one.
It's not so much creepyJoe causing inflation. He is not responsible for the collapse in Sri Lanka for example. The WEF are waging war against us all under the guise of " sustainability "
BRO THE TRILOGY LITERALLY CREATED NEW REVOLUTIONARY FILM TECHNOLOGY AND IT WAS CHEAPER WTF
500 million. And the CGI, sets and costumes don't look any better than a B movie. This is the ultimate example of sunk cost dilemma.
Idk dude, those hobbits really look like homeless. They nailed it, you know lol
I liked the scene with the human farmers harvesting. It looked like an animation from a civilization-like game of the early 2000's
The costumes are awful. Especialyl Lenny Henry's wig lol
It's interesting what is happening now. Every streaming service wants their own GoT like every dev wanted their own WoW and they all fail miserably the same way.
Lmao. Found the troll. The CGI and set look incredible.
Tolkien: *Writes a series of books that draw heavily from Anglo-Saxon mythology in order to show people what was lost after the Norman invasion of 1066*
Amazon: *Writes a show that's* (likely) *about modern politics that shows little regard for the old mythology*
I can't wait to see how they fuck this up.
The money-laundering aspect of this is a serious issue. This sort of thing happens, A LOT, in the entertainment industry. In the late '80's, I was in a band, in a certain pacific northwest city, when we signed a recording contract with a certain Japanese based, record label. The very same one that is a prominent video game console manufacturer. During a meeting with our management, they let slip the information that it it didn't matter how well our records sold, the label would not promote our music. When I asked why, they told me,"Because you're not supposed to make money for the label. You're supposed to be a tax write-off." I was stunned, to put it mildly. They PLANNED on spending money, on recording costs, and touring costs but they expected us to lose money, in order to offset their tax liability in the US. I immediately informed my band, and they wanted to continue with the contract. As much as it had always been my dream to be a performing artist, I just couldn't continue with the charade. My point is that they would have no problem laundering money, in a likewise manor. Excellent work, by the way, brother! I love your analysis! Keep it up!
There's a restaurant in my town that never has more than 3 cars in front but it's been open for 10 years. Can you say laundry? That's the m.o. of Amazon's "Insurance fires of power" series.
Being Amazon, this is a very real possibility.
That is just how everything works, not only in movies
This make sense
i've put 20 years into the "entertainment" industry... can confirm.
this is corporate paper shuffling, there's no other rational explanation.
The past will endure because it has great stories that are timeless. Modernity will die because all it does is destroy great stories that it could never replicate in a thousand lifetimes.
Soooo true
But modernity will leave a taint on the past, just by its very existence. Look at Ghostbusters and Star Trek. Sad, dark times.
Inna de are no one will remember this dreck and the original books will still be the greatest fantasy story of all time
The past had great stories cause people had the drive and motivation to make something new. Modernity only seeks to copy what worked yesterday but is too lazy to think of anything new, cause adversity and challenges are "too hard". Quite literally we have seen storytelling and creative media and mediums become stunted due to an inability to think outside the box.
"Payne and McKay were lifelong Tolkien geeks"
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I will never, ever believe that atrocious lie. I question if they even read the books. I assume that they can at least read. Understanding what they are reading is another matter completely.
Miriel does not “loom large in Tolkien’s work”, there are a couple of sentences about her in the Silmarillion and Unfinished Tales. All Tolkien actually says about her in those works is who her father is and who she marries. She’s a minor character who doesn’t do anything, her husband Ar-Pharazon is the important character as he’s the one ruling Numenor when it falls
And yet it sounds like they might make him the bottom bitch of the relationship in the show.
And yet you morons get butthurt over how the dwarfs looks based on a couple of sentences through all his work. It's works both ways you know
I'm curious to see if they actually kill her in the show.
It just a another case of showrunners trying to gaslight the audience and being surprised when we are not stupid enough to fall for it
But but feminism?
"It felt only natural to us that an adaptation of Tolkien's work would reflect what the world actually looks like." - Lindsey Weber, E.P. Amazon's LOTR Series, Vanity Fair (Feb. 2022) .
Peter Jackson, interview GreenCine (Dec. 2002) - "There are certainly themes Tolkien felt were important. We made a promise to ourselves at the beginning of the process that we weren't going to put any of our own politics, our own messages or our own themes into these movies. What we were trying to do was to analyse what was important to Tolkien and to try to honour that. In a way, were trying to make these films for him, not for ourselves."
another peter jackson fanboy
@@reek4062 How dare you assume I identify as a boy...BIGOT!
@@reek4062 Another brain dead comment by a troll like you.
@@reek4062 another snowflake
@@reek4062 better hurry off. mommy has got your soy milk nice and warm like you like it.
The fan fiction woke show is going to burn in flames.
They were like..... Dwarf queen... Black. Human queen... Black! Elves.... Black!! Hobbits... Black!! Black blackity black black black!!! You get a black and you get a black!
This show is going to be great, look how we meticulously built the set with each and every stone meticulously thought out. The sets are amazing, the landscapes are gorgeous, the scenes are breathtaking, you've never seen anything like it bla bla bla bla bla. Are they making a TV show or a tourist attraction? They have nothing to show for the plot. It's a tragedy foretold.
Exactly, they’re avoiding talking about the important things
What a woke Femi-Puke-Flop!! Cringe Level: Infinity+1 😂🤣
The "Sobs of Jeff" are gonna echo loudly in the Ladies Rooms at Amazon and Blue Origin. 😂🤣 💀🤪
not to mention in europe there are plenty of castles so its not like something new its all about the message not the story or to entertain the people
They have uhm... Diverse strong females.
@@Theydas They have black people and a sword wielding woman. Boxes checked.
They did have a plan: constantly try to prove how virtuous they are. Unfortunately, they sacrifice honor, integrity, and understanding of the source material in favor of their own arrogance, greed, and political views.
And the virtues they're trying to prove aren't even really virtues.
@@cympimpin20 The moment someone wants to put woke politics into something, is the moment that something turns to dogshit.
This.
there is so going to be so much good content of people SHITTING on this pile of hot GARBAGE
HOLD THE GATE
NOT ONE STEP BACK
If they had just called this “Rings of Power”, changed the character names, and dropped any reference to JRRT and Lord of the Rings, I might have watched it as a generic fantasy. But this abomination … No way!
y'know, as i see major companies thinking they can just bulldoze their way into fandoms (simply because they have endless amounts of money) only to fail repeatedly, i can't help but think of the wise prophet Blade & his teachings...
_"Some motherf***ers are always trying to ice skate uphill."_
I (a 28yr old) only watched the Blade Trilogy for the first time in my life this week, and your comment has rung nothing but truth. Amazon has really done nothing to deserve our interest in this series, so I already plan on removing myself from the ice-skating rink and not watch the show at all when it's eventually released.
This time they fucked with a fandom that actually reads.
To the person quoted at the end of the article who says, "It looks like Middle Earth." I disagree. It looks fake. Peter Jackson's Middle Earth felt like a place that actually existed. There was a depth, a history, and a presence to the scenery and sets of the Jackson film trilogy, and that was one of it's greatest strengths, along with the music. Rings of Power looks like generic fantasy, and it feels flat and inauthentic.
The peter jackson movies had good sets, costumes and special effects and excellent music. Too bad they lacked the themes and spirit of the books.
Flat and inauthentic is how I feel the first age would look.
Its because Peter Jackson told his Team that they have to imagine that Middle earth Was an actual place in Our real World and that they are basically adapting historical Events.
I walked through quite a few of the sets of Middle Earth in New Zealand, 20 years later. Went there for our honeymoon. It was an insane experience!
Bigatures. With all the money they had for this show, imagine if they used bigatures like Peter Jackson instead of just computer generated models.
"Forget the past"... destroy the Vietnam War Memorial... or the Holocaust Museum... let's see how they react to that.
Same happened to Witcher, totally killed by netflix showrunner that had vision of deconstructing whole book universe. Ofc only to make it, HER new "inspired" view on whole universe created by author.
Amazon: "fans aren't taking or shit..what do we do?"
Ruin Cuntson: "let the past die, kill it if you have to!"
Starwars Fans: "no...not again..."
Tolkien fans: "Arise, Rise riders of Théoden. Spears shall be shaken, shields shall be splintered. A sword day. A red day. Ere the Sun Rises!!"
Tolkien called for aid, and the Fans will answer. Upon the sacret fields before the last bastion of freedom, the Free people of Earth will rally and vanquish the darkness of AMazon the Corruptor
DEATH!!
Ruin Cuntson is the greatest thing I have ever heard referring to him. I'm gonna use it from now on.
Quote the book. Adding "death" to the line as the movie did throws off the whole tone.
@@skyintatters That they're chanting death because that's what's likely to happen?
Death!!
The characters costumes look worse than most LARPing costumes. The only thing I'm planning on watching in regards to this are yourself and Nerdtronics coverage. Hope the majority do the same. Hilarious as always 👍
Sleep in a hedge and roll in a ditch, claim you're cosplaying as a Harfoot.
Just like I did with Bat Wahman.
Nice, me too! Not watching a single episode
I might also suggest 'Just Some Guy' and 'The Critical Drinkers' for their reviews too. Those 2 and Disparu are my three faves for recent fan reviews of Obi-Wan, etc...
Think you mean Nerdrotic* not Nerdtronic
I would also recommend watching European Lore as he's a TRUE Tolkien fan as well & his videos are really good.
"No plan, no experience." Exactly what they did with WoT. Amazing that they could make such a monumental mistake TWICE. It just seems unfathomable.
Some people never learn.
Sad part. It wasn't a mistake in heir minds. It's all the haters, misogynists and toxic white males.
Amazon is an online book sale company that expanded beyond anything it should of been due to a megalomaniac wanting to go to space.
What's 'Wot'? Thank you in advance.
@@silvanussum5188 Oh its Wheel of Time, which should have easily been a mega hit on or close to the level of Game of Thrones had it been done right and faithfully to the source material. Instead it was a total mediocre dud that will end in early cancellation and sink into obscurity.
"There are LOTR movies? A trilogy? Somebody call this Peter Jackson guy!"
-- Payne & McKay, 2022
So I’ve been seeing SO MANY rings of power advertisements here in Germany, even on TV. I explained to my mother what’s going on and she was like “if you need to advertise something that much, it isn’t good”.
And that explains it all very well. .
Then I continued in explaining the Obi Wan Kenobi debacle to her and she said “aren’t they a bit stupid if they aren’t accurate”?
Now the kicker is, even she sees through it and she absolutely hates fantasy and science fiction and nearly never agrees with me. Even people who aren’t invested know how weird the whole situation is and understand why it’s an issue.
On another note, they’re also advertising the trailer here with “based on the works from Tolkien”. Which we all know it isn’t, but I just wanted to tell everyone how they’re riding piggy bag on his legacy in other countries too with that even tho most of it they just made up.
If you did your job right, people will be hooked onto it and talk about it. These trailers are doing exactly the opposite; they keep releasing new teasers and absolutely no one is talking about it. Or at least, not in any positive way, just sort of rightfully shitting all over it.
Even if the show ends up being fantastic, mopping the floor with breaking bad or the early seasons of Game of Thrones with its writing, it would be a marketing failure of unprecedented proportions. Absolutely mindboggling.
It is regrettable that they did not refer to all of the beautiful fan art of Numenor and it's citizens that has been around for years because it is far more accurate and pleasing than what Amazon has cooked up.
They could have saved alot of money just mimicking Jackson's structures, but at the height of power instead of thousands of years later. I'm not seeing power that would make Sauron surrender pre-fight to Numenor in any of these images, lol.
Or game mods like Medieval 2 Total War mods set during the 2nd Age.
You expect them to look at art that draws from old human cultures that Tolkien used in order to make the factions in his books rather than just make up their own shit? How dare you.
fan arts are often ideal representations of the work
Why is everyone butt hurt about something that hasn't released yet... I don't get it. When I was a kid I hated broccoli so I never ate it. Then when I was in college I dated a vegan and had my first bite ( of broccoli that is) . I feel in love. Judging things before experiencing it is sure fire sign of ignorance.
Remember, everyone that hope looms on the horizon. WAR OF THE ROHIRRIM, an animated adaptation of Tolkien Lore that actually has John Howe (one of the most famous Tolkien illustrators) and Richard Taylor (who pretty much IS Weta Workshop) is in the works. This one is much more likely to be actually faithful and genuine.
Whoa whoa whoa. I knew it was going to be animated, but I didn't realize they had John Howe on board. Consider my interest piqued.
When will that release? I love the LOTR movies and I enjoyed the hobbit movies. I am reading the fellowship of the ring right now. I should have started reading tolkien much much earlier, better late then never.
Even the original Actors of the lord of the rings read the books when filming the original films and did it for the fans
Idiocy..... Numenor was NOT a blank canvas. It's VERY CLEAR in all Tolkien's writing that Gondor and Arnor were pale immitations of Numenor's lost glory. How is that a blank canvas when you've got Osgiliath, Minas Ithil, Minas Tirith, the Argonath, the Hornburg/Deepingwall and Orthanc to draw on and expand. Also (mentioned this in other video comments) but how did this stupid article get to noting Numenor's COASTAL CAPITAL in the first paragraph? Look at a damned map for Armenelos, fool.
Yeah, it either means they are conflating the Armenelos and Rómenna or doing something else, or it's a mistake in the article born of misundersanding or lack of knowledge (though it should be noted that Rómenna is a name technically from Unfinished Tales, but so is the map of Numenor, so I don't know how the licensing issues work here), Armenelos is named in Lotr appendices, but Rómenna the coastal port city is not (on the other hand the western haven of Andunie is named).
Hi, I am really surprised, that no one from you (You, Nerdrotic, Shad...) noticed the big proof that the showrunners doesn't have a clue, what are they doing and why - not in terms of Tolkiens lore, but in terms of common sense. It's small hint, but once you see it, you can't unsee it. It's 1:21in the original trailer - picture of the port of Numenor with statue in front. This statue is - like statues in Peter Jackson's LOTR - covered in moss and shrubbery. The reason for this in LOTR was, that they were abandoned for centuries. BUT here, it is at the edge of the city on top of it's glory. People probably going there for picnic every weekend. Then WHY the statue looks like total garbage??? Because they saw statues in LOTR and thought it looks cool and reused it. They didn't think for a second, that they look like that for a reason.
PS: Excuse my English, not my mother tongue
Alternately, you could infer that perhaps it is reflecting the fact that there's a move in Numenor away from a respect for Earendil and the elves of old and a move towards a Numenorean supremacy. You know, an example of worldbuilding in the architecture that mirrors some of the conflict in the story. But to admit that, you'd have to actually consider things without automatically assuming the worst about something.
@@Phlickit
Grasping at straws. lol so naive, always thinking the best about people. 🤭
"Stop hating, we haven't seen the show yet, let's give it a chance".
🤣
@@gulanhem9495 I don't think it's so big of a leap. They've straight up told us that they're doing this in the architecture. They talked about how they are showing the waning support for teh elves via adunaic graffiti covering up older elvish script on buildings, and they've shown a picture of the White Tree, which is is a courtyard that has clearly been neglected, so this seems like a perfectly rational explanation to me. Feel free to assume the worst if that's what you're into, of course.
To me, saying "Lol! That statue is so overgrown. They totally don't care about the lore!" is grasping at straws.
@@Phlickit
Actually I think you are right. The design of that huge statue, and the decision to have grass on it, it must be thought out and on purpose.
Good eye! Thanks for pointing that out!
Anyone else notice the lady in the t-nail has lopsided hair? The left side (our right) is a bit more plump than the other. Even the little things are askew.
Amazon seems to love setting money on fire. They gave the Wheel of Time to an absolute hack who makes Rian Johnson look like Steven Spielberg, and now it looks like they're repeating the same mistakes. The check-a-box shoehorned diversity that makes no sense and makes it look like a stage production, the amateurish writing team, it's a recipe for disaster.
Limitations foster creativity, they create problems that the writer has to solve and work around in an interesting and satisfying way. But that takes time and effort, and it’s so much easier to throw away a man’s life’s work and do you own thing.
Side note: How is this show not a prequel? It literally chronicles the villain of the previous movies rise to power, it expands the backstory that the original books tell. Dear god Amazon gave a billion dollar enterprise to dumb and dumber
Legally, it’s not technically allowed to be a prequel, because Warner Bros.(?) or someone still owns the rights to those movies in some way.
So it’s not “technically” a prequel, it’s a completely independent adaptation of the same source material, legally speaking.
It’s going to be as bad as the writing on GoT after GRRM left, no direction and sense whatsoever
Everytime I hear that sentiment j immediately think of midnight or blink from doctor who
@@deriznohappehquite In other words - Fan Fiction
@@majbloodnok Well, not based on what I said, but rather based on the lack of detailed source material for the time period they’re covering and the lack of access to source material that does exist.
Middle Earth as Tolkien intended is in the pages of his works, not on any screen....The books are all that matter, and no matter how many adaptations are made by film, nothing will EVER change that. NONE of this matters.
though I have to admit, I absolutely adore and admire the Peter Jackson trilogy. (Extended editions, of course). They are my favorite films and I don’t think they could’ve done a better job bringing it to cinema especially for that time
@@Starlight2417 even if they arent good adaptations, they are good films that tried the best to adapt the themes of Lord of The Rings, not necessarily delivering the lore. Rings of Power is trying to cash in on the lore by name and completely going against the themes of lord of the rings.
@@ahmedbenkhalfallah6502 I’m not sure what the first half of your comment is referring to. All I said was that I love the Peter Jackson trilogy and think it’s the best adaptation anyone could’ve made for film especially at that time. Also yes I’m well aware of how terrible Amazon is treating the story/lore
Yeah he would have despised PJ's trilogy too. He was a very traditional, old-fashioned chap who lived and breathed the written word and was very critical of any kind of adaptation. People saying, "Tolkien would have loved those films unlike this abomination!" Are deluding themselves. However faithful we may think it was it's still not the author's intent.
@@ahmedbenkhalfallah6502 the peter jackson movies also went against the themes of the lord of the rings
Don't call it LotR: RoP.
Don't bring the masterpiece of PJ and Tolkien into this Amazon mess.
Amazon: Rings of Power.
Amazon: Carefully Accumulated Novels Or Notes; Rings And Palantirs, Extended.
''the masterpiece of PJ and Tolkien''
It is the masterpiece of Tolkien. Your comment placed PJ before him. You're another pj fanboy pretending to be a Tolkien fan.
@@reek4062 And you over analyze things.
I cant imagine the pain of being a very accomplished author, who had one of the most vivid imaginations and dedication to creating modern day folk tales and was very much admired and recognized for it....
And then this shit comes out and they think they can do better than you
Middle Earth as Tolkien intended is in the pages of his works, not on any screen....The books are all that matter, and no matter how many adaptations are made by film, nothing will EVER change that.
The show runners have an impressive level of hubris. A sloppy attempt to ride the coattails of a brilliant author to facilitate an aloof cash grab.
For real
The peter jackson movies would already have made him commit suicide if he had been alive to see them
@@reek4062 Rings Of Power would've made him kill the hack showrunners before doing himself in
Imagine having the utmost narcissistic arrogance to say you're on the same level or above JRR Tolkien to tell a story in Middle Earth.
This is what they do. They give large amounts of money to relatively unproven people WHO WILL FOLLOW THE AGENDA. As opposed to experienced people who want to make successful projects.
Just rewatched Return of The King and I can’t imagine how anyone can rival what Jackson made 2 decades back. There's also a new article on Forbes that question the experience of the showrunners😂
Same. That movie is legendary
What experience?😉 lol
Shame Jackson chose to make a cash cow with The Hobbit trilogy that didn't need to be a trilogy and had inferior CGI than the LOTR trilogy.
@@secondchance6603 agreed. I think his heart was in the right place when he joined the project, but then something pushed them the wrong way. Perhaps the studio execs. I actually made my own edits of the hobbit movies that came out very well but I’m still trying to figure out a cost efficient way to put them online.
@@Starlight2417 I had a lot of respect for him but when he announced The Hobbit was to be a trilogy it pissed me off because it was us taxpayers here that had to stump up millions of dollars in order to give HIM a tax break.
Tolkien wanted to write a story to celebrate English culture. Mainly the MEN who died in WW1. Partly because so many stories were lost in time, partly because he wanted to honor the type of men he felt were lost to the world. Now, they say it's about everyone else. Also, part of the plot of the return of the king is about how the hobbits are about as useful in battle as women. Seeing a half female army is utter non-sense and even undermines the prophecy of the nazgul not dying to any man. If there were woman on the battlefield his death may have happened waaay sooner.
Tolkien and C.S. Lewis, who were friends, lost virtually all of their childhood friends during the First World War. Then lived through the bombing of England in the Second World War, and saw first hand the damage that war wreaks. They knew who real Men were, those that did their duty even while scared to death with the world exploding around them. The "showrunners" are terrified about what people might say about them if they are insufficiently "woke". Tell me who the men are.
you're complaining for the sake of complaining
@@reek4062 nah he's complaining because a bunch of hacks have no respect for some of the most influential literary pieces of the 20th century
@@reek4062 dont worry you will get your "Lord of the Thrones of Time" adaptation and you will love it because Sauron is so gay 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🤦♂️
@Knox2Don I'm explaining to Star Wars fans how dumb their religion is
Writers and people in the 'entertainment industry' today are woefully under- or mis-educated. They don't know history, they don't know how stories work, they haven't read widely and deeply in the canons of literature or had to ponder the complex issues at work in the religions that fostered them. At the same time as being ignorant, they are also execrable narcissists, ignorant of their own ignorance, and in love with their own feelings and opinions which swell where thought, reflection and self-critique should have lodged. They cling to and perpetuate an ideology that is incompatible with Tolkien's sense of myth and literature.
Tolkien regarded stories as evoking and working through a powerful sense of empathy with someone utterly unlike yourself - whereas people like those who are responsible for whatever 'Rings of Power' is insist that you can only 'relate' to your 1-to-1 avatar, your own ego-stroking Mary-Sue. This is the opposite of empathy, an abuse of Tolkien's idea, and at its core a denial of what books and stories should do.
I hate everything about it...
I just can't imagine how amazon thought it was a good idea to give a billion dollars to a couple of guys with no experience... it's literally insane.
It's a similar story to Game of Thrones and D&D. Benioff had some experience but what he worked on sucked and Wiess had no experience at all. But it worked out for HBO at least at first because GRRM is still alive and guided them to 4 good seasons. Maybe Amazon thought these two nobodies would work out in a similar way.
It worked with Game of Thrones, until the last couple of seasons.
Probably a tax write-off as mentioned, amazon makes money from cloud services, so they don’t care if they pay the money in taxes or on a losing project. And even though it looks like a complete disaster, people will still watch it. Even if to make fun of it, like Picard or Discovery
And approve this inexperienced guys their own vision of something Tolkien never write.
Imagine going to a job interview or applying for a new project at your work.
Employer: Have you done that before?
You: No, but let's see what happens.
Employer: Sounds good to me, let's go.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The Don Lemon elf cracks me up every time I see him. The disparity between the beauty of the Jackson trilogy and this goofy ass trailer is... significant.
"By Thranduil's fade!"
the music score is equally as bad, it doesn't "ring" true to the epicness of this world or lore would be. LOTR set the bar extremely high and these morons couldn't even come close with a full trilogy to use as a blueprint.
I'll NEVER look to ever watch this DISRESPECTFUL GARBAGE! If all they want is DIVERSITY and INCLUSION in EVERYTHING, then they should put all of their 'INFLUENCE' and 'TALENT' into actually making something 'NEW'!
Amazon hiring two rookie writers (perhaps based upon someone's recommendation) tells me the social circles in Hollywood are too small. I'm starting to wonder if everyone in that town working in the industry (regardless of the studio) knows each other. Why would someone with a billion dollar budget not hire experienced writers who read and care about Tolkien? Surely there are some; if not in Hollywood, in London or elsewhere.
It's so executives can steamroll and control everything, all the major studios are doing it these days
Rumor is they got suggested by jj abrams, so yes, he will burnd that bridge too im a way...
1) ALL movies with the exception of Top Gun have been about "The Message". 2) They used inexperience showrunners because no respectable one would take the job.
1) Complaining aboot ''the message'' makes you sound pathetic.
2) They used showrunners who had experience in selling the product.
3) It's just a product.
@@reek4062 Reek is just mad because the new minion movie wasn't about the MESSAGE either and you forgot to mention it.
@@reek4062 experience in selling what product, the crappy Star Trek movies? 🤣
@@reek4062 yeah man, why don't you buy an old flip phone for the same price as a brand new I Phone. I mean they're just products after all.
@@reek4062 Consume product, then get excited for next product! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The only good thing coming from the absolute trainwreck that this show is going to be, is me finding out about CZcams channels such as yours. Subscribed, keep up the good work!
you like watching manbabies cry?
Lol for real. I'm not gonna watch one second of this trashfire, but I'm beyond excited for the Midnight's Edge/Quartering/Critical Drinker/etc videos that will be made.
Exactly how I ended up here!
@@cympimpin20 Have you watched Drinkers recent trailer review? Tampax commercial killed me, hahaha.
I dont want the show to reflect the real world. I want the show to reflect the world Tolkien wrote. AND. IT. DOES. NOT.
As a Kiwi, I've heard from the few New Zealanders allowed to work on it that is more akin to the old Hercules tv show than the LOTR movies and it was a dumpster fire to work on. So bad that Amazon packed a sad and moved to the UK, never to return.
I think I see the problem. They don’t live in the real world. They live and have always lived in some weird Hollywood bubble where normal rules don’t apply. In the real world no one with their lack of experience and talent would be given $500 million to make anything.
Their real world is one of privilege and caring about social causes and never really interacting with anyone who isn’t like them.
They are so fixated on saying the past isn't important just like in TLJ. Remembering the past DOES matter as you won't repeat the same mistakes and can gain wisdom from it.
Respecting the past and honoring it also matters too.
@@chasehedges6775 Like in The Original Trilogy-Luke honoured and respected Yoda and Obi-Wan, but he didn’t blindly obey them when they were wrong. There needs to be a middle ground.
@@killgriffinnow 💯💯💯
As someone else pointed out.
These idiots don't realize there show IS the past.
Peter Jackson's movies are later in history. The third age.
There show is in the second age.
So by there own logic, there show much die as the past must die.
Idiots idiots idiots. They don't even realize what the fuck they said!!!
Another banger of a vid.
Amazon at this point, don't seem to understand why they have bought an IP with an existing fan base. If this is really going to cost $1 billion, over 5 series (sorry seasons to my US friends), why why why would you alienate the existing fans before even episode one has aired?
Marvel, Disney, and now amazon have got in the habit of premarketing the marketing to ensure that any criticism of their product must be seen as hate.
How dare you have an opinion that goes against the executives writing the blank checks for mediocre story telling and ideas.
I always use "inside number 9" as an ideal way to make TV these days, creative ideas, a decent budget and cast, well thought out scripts and edits. Yes, not every episode is a banger, but it doesn't need to be, cream should rise to the top, not be forced down our throats once it's soured.
It's business as usual for Amazon at this point... you should see what they did to The Wheel of Time...
I think it's especially egregious how they hide behind the word racism like it's some kind of indefatigable shield. Which is an insult to everyone who experiences racism in the real world.
Heck, even forcing it down our throats before it even has soured, making it sour from the get go.
This is how I felt when they race/gender changed Liet Kynes in Dune. If the author wanted a certain characteristic, they would have wrote it that way. Its gonna get worse. Hold that line.
Coming soon from Amazon: "Shaka Zulu", starring Brad Pitt and Jessica Chastain!
We know it's going to fail, the shills know it's going to fail, and Amazon know it's going to fail! Watching them scramble around in desperation, in an attempt to save their sinking ship is hilarious! And I'm loving every second of it!
It's only a matter of time before Amazon goes on a full scale attack on Tolkien fans and say the show failed because they are racists and bigots. We've seen some of that already but it's only a matter of time before they go all out.
The only way to stand up to desecrations like this is to not watch it. We have given these hacks at Hollywood a shot and all that it lead to is pain and misery (Star Wars, Wheel Of Time, Dr Who). They've taken our kindness for weakness and it's time to fight back!!!
_"We had to write the novel Tolkien never wrote and make it into a mega-event TV series"_ ~ quote from the RoP showrunners Y_Y
"The novel Amazon doesn't have the rights to" more like. Tolkien went above and beyond in fleshing out his universe in the Silmarillion and other texts, I'm just comforted in a small way that Amazon doesn't have the rights to those portions of his wonderful creation.
Amazon literally could have hired a fantastic fantasy writer to create a brand new world solely for them. Yes they could create their world by being inspired by Tolkien (I imagine most fantasy writers are). It's amazing how Amazon are so scared of creating their own franchise yet fork over a lot of a cash for essential extra prequel chapters and than pass those on and a $1 billion onto people who don't have the experience for a show that size. If their own world was successful it would be far more profitable as they would own it and can expand out from there. You can license it out to people or make spin offs with your OCs. You can merchandise out figurines/toys etc. This way they could have avoided the whole sticking to the lore problem as that's a huge problem for a lot of people. In fact I would love to see new original fantasy projects.
Yes! Or create several smaller productions, some mid and some low budget, and see what gains in a popularity to justify a second season. The risk they're taking in putting all their eggs in one basket is just astounding.
Agreed.
@@jdraven0890 I totally agree with that.
I believe the intention from the start was to destroy the tradition of Tolkien with woke. Same as they've done with a dozen other IPs. It's an agenda. It's all driven by woke feminist ideology and the cult of 'diversity'. The intention is to 'de-masculate' and 'de-westernise' everything. This is deliberate desecration.
It seems that their primary purpose is to punish fans of old franchises considered to be “patriarchal” or just “white” by destroying them. If they can make some extra money from that, good, if not, well, that’s the price they are willing to pay for fixing the world, from their viewpoint at least. Same with Disney. Amazon has enough money to burn from their cloud business, maybe it is really all a tax write-off for them and they might as well try push the message as hard as they can
My hubby and I decided that on the big release day of Sep 2nd that we're going to watch the Peter Jackson movies instead to give Amazon the mt doom treatment
Pretty certain that the level of detail that Tolkien wrote into his stories describing that World left little in the way of a "Blank Canvas" to do your own graffiti on.
Smart of Amazon to move filming to the UK. This way when someone makes a Cheeky comment about how shite this show is, GCHQ and Mi5 can send an armed Police unit to raid the internet users domicile.
They can make sure that they have a BBC license, a License for Sharp wit, and if that fails they can charge them for violent speech that is Racist, Sexist, and Problematic...
Now Amazon can silence the most loyal and Hardcore Tolkien loyalists... Those who hail from his homeland.. Also them releasing the show on the anniversary of JRR's death is a huge Fuck you to fans...
Looks like Ottman empire TV series shots mixed in with Wheel of Time, GoT BUT nothing of Tolkien!
I watched LotR 5 times this year. I'm ready to watch it ten more times, but I'm not ready to even watch one minute of RoP. I think that says it all.
You know what frustrated me the most about WOT ... apart from everything stated....was that all that woke messaging, the LGBT themes, the female domination...all of it ..was allready in the books ... but done well.. they just couldent wait ... and just had to mess with the rest of it...
Amazon: what does it feel to fight for the books of a man that died 50 years ago?
Tolkien loyalists: “Euphoric”
Man, it must be great to work in Hollywood. No previous experience required whatsoever. Good lord.
I like the comparison to the Wheel of Time. An interesting thing is that I, who didn't read the books, also didn't really like the show and it looked very strange to me. For example, from the first episode - there we were, a very remote mountain village, in the middle of nowhere. And we have a black man, an Aboriginal girl, and two white guys - being the natives, with the whole population being very mixed. Excuse me, how did that happen? If anything, they would be inbred as hell.
And then there is that cheap look you talked about.
What shows like this don't understand, or don't want to understand, even if you cram in the people with phenotype that should not be present in the story, you must respect the world building.
You want dark skinned people in LotR? There aren't really black skinned, but Rhun and far east are described as middle-eastern looking people, and people of the Far Harad are, apparently, modeled after Ethiopia, where you can find black people naturally. So, world building dictates that your black and dark skinned characters come from those regions. You can't make a dwarf black ffs, or an elf, or a Numenorean!
Even when you give yourself some artistic freedom and you decide to add a new character of a race not specifically described in the works, you must put them in the place where they would belong in that setting.
What annoys me is that people who race swap white characters for some other, are the same ones who are going go flip their lid and curse you for an eternity if you race swap a person of color for a white person. Now where is the fuckin' logic in that? One was is OK, other way is racism?
I mean, these people are not even trying to pretend anymore - now it is a full blown assault in the open.
You know who's going to be white as milk? Sauron - you can bet your ass! I mean, he should, it is in the lore, but you can be sure that an evil character will be a white male, almost exclusively, while the main protagonists will be "strong independent women", preferably of color.
They are destroying not just the Tolkien's work - they are destroying the world they themselves are creating as it has no internal consistency.
In the WOT books Two Rivers was an ancient trading post for all the lands surrounding so many different ethnicities resided there. Unfortunately the show does nothing to explain this and later in the series many kingdoms are cultural distinct because there are cultural divides from the breaking of the world but the show skips over almost every main plot line when it comes to gender, ethnicity, and lore and crams their own political garbage into it.
@@ESO_PRIME I don't know. I had a friend who read the books and when I raised the issue, he told me that Two Rivers was especially homogenous due to its ancient history and the inhabitants being the secluded relic of a long gone empire.
Now, you tell me it was a trading post where many ethnicities mingled and that distinct blacks, aboriginal and whites are completely justified in a small village in the middle of nowhere, after centuries after the fall?
Well, if that is true, that means that people of Two Rivers are themselves extremely racist, because eve if there were many races there at the time of the fall, over several centuries, they would all be mixed unless they were quite strict when it came to interracial marriage. Which would also mean a shitloads of incest and inbreeding if you are going to have distinct races in a small village centuries later.
Frankly, what you said, is way worse given what it implies XD For the thing you said to be true and given what we see in the show, Two Rivers must be filled with a bunch of incestuous inbred racists.
Ive been complaining about this for years. I actually quite like using a particular ethnicity for a particular group of people in a story. It adds an element of realism and helps you keep track of who's who and where they come from. Indiscriminantly race mixing looks and feels terrible and now just makes me angry at any black person in any show because I know they are mainly there because of their skin colour. Ie yes, by being "inclusive" they are actually making people more racist.
@@ESO_PRIME your right, I had forgotten that. A very long time since I read them. If only they explained it and gave the darker/different skinned people accents it would have been fine.
Yeah I watched wheel of time and it was one of those shows I just watched on the side and instantly forgot after
Was digging my weeds up yesterday found a cave in the bushes. Bloody balrog in there. Good job I had that magic sword in the shed. I'm glad this happened now I can relate to any scenes similar now I've seen it in the real world otherwise I'd just be confused.
I got jumped by an Orc walking my dog in the woods but I was saved by some old dude in a pointy hat who blinded the orc with his magic staff, said his name was Grandon or something.
Imagine having more budget than Peter Jackson's trilogy and you're 3d printing armor lol
15:31 In fairness, the Númenoreans' fear of death is what drove them to do what they did (meddling from Sauron, of course).
That black female dwarf looks like a regular black woman.
They are trying to push Obesity Acceptance with her. It's to cater to the Body Positivity Movement.
The best thing I've heard from people defending this is: 'How can you dislike the show, when you haven't even watched it yet. You don't even know what's going to happen in the series'. The thing is I KNOW what should happen, and I know how it should not be. It's like they can't understand that.
ok crybaby
@@reek4062 ok super shill
If you tell me you're making a pizza for dinner, but I see you carting bags of lawn clippings, saw dust, and dog shit into the kitchen, I don't have to actually eat it yet before making a sensible judgement that what you're making isn't pizza and is garbage no matter what you call it.
Omg...I'm all for critique but you are whingeing
@@kuhanblock9380 lol crybabies always resort to calling others 'shills'
Imagine securing this kind of budget, and then handing the writing to a handful of inexperienced, untested wokies.
Ooohhhh.... You forgot 'No entertainment value'
They had over 300 characters to choose from, they used about 4 , and made up 6+ all new diverse characters to headline the show...
Oh yeah, extensive detail- like the Lula Roe leggings and tshirt that Galadriel and Miriel wear respectively 🙄
Wait.. What..? I didn't even notice that! 😂🤣
9:28 Shad has referenced interviews he's done and I checked them out. He basically does actively despise the books. He wants the show to be the tool of his agenda. It's not even an adaptation. It's malicious fan fiction.
I predict your channel will experience massive growth once this show airs. 😆
Ahhh yes where a medieval society looks like modern day New York in terms of different ethnicity of humans yes totally realistic
"But as the theme progressed, it came into the heart of Melkor to interweave matters of his own imagining that were not in accord with the theme of Iluvatar; for he saught therein to increase the power and glory of the part assigned to himself."
-The Silmarillion, J.R.R. Tolkien
You are perfectly correct. Had J. R. R. not created LOTRs there would have been only fantasy stories like the 'Piers Anthony' books--thin character development, shallow motivations, and only a veneer as the backdrop or world. Sure, the first book in the Wheel of Time series reads like an imitation of LOTR, just as that weird novel series that started with the book Eragon. But J.R.R. painted such a lush and real world that later authors like Orson Scott Card (Hart's Hope) could come along and build their own worlds with just as many details.
Actually, there were fantasy stories before Tolkien. E. R. Eddison's The Worm Ouroboros being one, one that I enjoy reading. Its world is not nearly as clearly detailed as Tolkien's, however.
@@timerover4633 Yeah, that's what I mean when I mentioned Piers Anthony. Sure there are older fantasy but not with the depth of LOTR. J.R.R. brought that to fantasy.
@@WilAdams I would most heartily agree that Tolkien brought a depth to fantasy that far exceeds all others, which is why is has been so successful and so treasured. He makes Middle Earth come alive in one's imagination.
The majestic and ethereal elves of Tolkien's LoTR universe and as they were depicted in the Peter Jackson's trilogy have been reduced to something so mediocre and mundane akin to the pathetic creatures called elves in Netflix The Witcher. Sad!
What saddens me is the promotion of this series by the Tolkien Society, the very society which should be able to look at this info and the teasers and immediately know this is not what Tolkien would have wanted, forming an eloquent rebuttal in response. Instead, the very chair of the society seems to be "buying" into the show and even blogs about how he has "bought in" to their design. How much did they buy him for I wonder...?
The going rate traditionally is 30 pieces of silver or something...
does it make you cry, you little crybaby?
"Eomer: How long has it been since Saruman bought you? What was the promised price?" (LOTR II, The Two Towers)
After Christopher Tolkien died, any notion of what J.R.R. would've wanted was lost.
Rippa knows what people want and I can only pray he becomes extremely successful.
He's on his way to that.
Eric July is an egotistical jagoff and he won't get a dime from me. This self proclaimed comic book "expert" once threw a baby tantrum because I had the sheer audacity to correct him when he said "Galactus is from the previous galaxy....", to which he then doubled down on and proceeded to gaslight me for being a "troll" when I had subscribed to his channel for years. F him, sorry.
@@origamipein18 Amen.
@@Johnsmith-ko9yj 😊
"Yes, Mr Tolkien, it's your appendix. I'm afraid it's become greatly inflamed and may well turn out toxic."
I'd say this feels more like Shannara Chronicles than LOTR, but that would be insulting to Shannara Chronicles.
"We didn't want to do a prequel so we went back in time"...so a prequel then? Also on costs, don't forget we're running at around 11% inflation atm and rising, which is twice that of New Zealand, which means everything's going to cost a lot more so either this show is given more money somewhere or corners are going to have to be cut which might explain the costumes and poor acting choices.
11:33 that's actually a really good point. Anyone who spends a lot of time on their feet - particularly bare feet - will develop an efficient natural gait. Look at any nomadic or semi-nomadic aboriginal group anywhere in the world, and watch the way they walk. They don't resemble a couch potato struggling to make it to the pantry for Doritos! And while on the subject: nomadic people have historically tended to wear specialised clothing that evolves around their way of life. Those are not likely the garments of pedestrian nomads...
Since this series is "inspired" by the appendices, why not include lots and lots of Jurassic Park Raptors in the battle scenes?
Clever Girl!
And sailing ships are so passe. How about space ships that look like those of the Minbari of Babylon 5?
You are infront of me, be elsewhere.
I like how they can simultaneously say Tolkien wrote diversity and every other woke ideology into his works but also call him a racist and every other "ist". Bizzare.
Galadriel and her wet titillating features saving and metting Sauron in the ship wreck scene.
The sheer ineptitude of her and showrunners to allow this is THE ULITMATE INSULT.
FECKEM
"The past is dead"
*always* that same line, always the same propaganda.
That sort of line isn't what Tolkien would think appropriate, his stories were specifically about the past being a greater time than the modern era, and that the people in the modern era try to emulate and aspire to what was.
I don't understand why they would spend so much money on the franchise, then do so much to adapt it in a distance way.
Either make a loyal story,m or make your own franchise and put the work in.
Its just an easy cash grab on an established fanbase.
Can you blame them for making a product the fans will pay for anyway?
@@reek4062 No. But they shouldn't be surprised if fans have complaints about it because you know.... they're fans
True creativity comes from when you set boundaries and limits. Any writer knows this, more and more of these writers and directors probably have never heard the word "no" in their lives and just do whatever they want.