Does it Matter Which Architecture School You Go To?
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Does it Matter Which Architecture School You Go To?
Drew Paul Bell (of www.DrewPaulBell.com)
"Never let schooling get in the way of your education" --Mark Twain
Definitely one of the wisest quotes ever
+Awlldeuce 👍
I cannot agree with you more.
I have recetly started archi school and during the intro presentation one of my teachers drew this parallel : 'you can think of us (the staff and other resources of the faculty) as the equipment at your local gym, if you use us you're gonna get stronger, but even if you have a subscription the best gym in the world, if you don't train you will remain the same'. The school provides you with the tools, and you as a student are resposible of how you use them . It's up to you how much you work you put in, how much you learn and how much you improve/develop.
Just want to let you know how much your videos are appreciated. Especially as a high school student wanting to pursue architecture, these videos make a world of a difference when I feel like I don't know the first thing about architecture/architecture school.
Completely agree
+Wanqi Yuan I'm glad they help! 🙏
You're from China? I'm also applying for architecture major.
Hope you went to a cheaper school for undergrad and then go to a “higher” end college for grad school.
Glad I found this video. I'm in between Auburn and KSU right now so it was nice to hear from someone who went to the later.
I completely agree with your point. I currently go to an HBCU in Texas that does not stand out as being one of the best architecture schools in Texas but our work has far exceeded the expectations of the other schools in Texas, I’ve visited Rice university (which is considered one of the best schools in the country) and seen their architecture program and it’s really disappointing, all they have is generic repetitive work with no real passion in the projects they do; hell even when rice professors visit our HBCU they get impressed and agree that our school produces better quality of work than theirs.
I’ve learned that it’s the quality of work you show to firms that will get you a job, not the name of a school.
One reason I like to think that our school produces better work is that we get the students who were not given a chance to attend the “elite” schools and are given the chance to shine and grow in our school.
I’ve learned that Rice does not teach cad programs in the curriculum as that is one of the prerequisites in order to enter their school. There are many people who don’t get the opportunity to use or get familiar with cad programs due to their different backgrounds and when they finally enter our school they can finally learn what they were never taught and shine above the rest.
Ultimately it comes down to the individuals. You can be at a school and make the most of it. Some schools are going to be better than others, but there are some studies to suggest that being a big fish in a small pond could be better for you during that phase of your development, because it gives you better access to resources like more attention from your professors and more confidence. But in both scenarios, people can find a way to squander an opportunity (at the big university and at the small university). So look out for yourself. Nothing guarantees your success, especially not the name of your school.
Thank you very much for sharing this video. I am a draftsman and I learned drafting at ITT Tech which is now closed. I learned a lot about architecture through research over the internet and you tube videos. The school is only there to give the fundamentals and the guidance but you have to step out and research on your own, one of my tools for learning is that since architecture is about building, what I did was to start doing research about construction about how a house is built from foundation to the roof, I study about the materials, building codes and so on, it works for me. God bless
Well said. Great video! I get this question a lot too.
Before watching I read the title of this video and said out loud "No! It matters more about what you do after you graduate, rather then where you graduated from."
+Mike Riscica haha nice 👍 Thanks man!
Amazing video!
It really motivated me because i'm going to Architecture school this fall,and i'm kind of scared and excited at the same time so ,thank you.
Keep up the good work !!!
+Nameless Person awesome! Thanks 🙏
Hey John, most architecture firms I've worked for use Autocad, Revit, and SketchUp BUT some smaller firms also use Rhino. The more you know the better of course!
salute from mexico drew good channel good advise thank you so much.....
This video has the power to change lives. I feel like it's changed mine.
Thanks! That was seriously helpful
Hey Drew, would you please consider doing a video on the future of smart modular design as a component of our cultural evolution. Thanks for all that you do. Have a great weekend!
if you treats architect as a job, it really does not matter which school to go to. it doesn't matter if one goes to GSD or any other school to design and project manage a shopping mall. however, if you architecture as an academic subject, then school really matters. many people think being a successful architect is to earn a lot of money. I think architecture has a very specific cultural value, a successful architect should have just have one great work that leave a legacy for humanity. Michelangelo is one of the greatest architect of all time.
drew i did bachelors in civil engineering. but i liked nothing about it. my dad told me to supervise construction work in which i had to go to construction site with no office from morning to evening. he told me then only he is going to give me salary. i refused to do that because i am not an outdoors person and working enviroment is really harsh with no proper office and i wont be learning anything working alone like that . but i liked arts so i worked as architect for my dad who was trying to run a construction company. i dont like outdoors at all. all i like is arts and being creative and learning new things. learning cad on my own without any mentor or seniors to guide me was difficult but i did it anyway. more difficult was to knowing how to properly prepare documents for approval from municipality. i learned that too by trial and error. getting the proper format of docments to refer to was really difficult as nobody seemed to cooperate me in getting any information regarding that. and available guidelines provided by government was vague and not enough at all or outdated. to produce the design in my head i also needed to know enough structural engineering so i am studying msc in structural design of earthquake resistant structures. but my faith in shaking. government has hired engineers for every tiny municipalites. and they give all kinds of trouble to the home owners, contractors and non government designers. they only aapprove the design and construction easily if bribed. so all people are obliged to give design and construction work to government engineers although they are not allowed to do nongovernment works by law. in the place i live people are not much concerned about the process of designing and the end product which takes lots of trial and error and skills and experience to produce good product. but people seem to just care about fulfilling the formality and how cheaply the design can be done and how quickly it can be done and how easily it can be approved which government engineers seem to fulfill perfectly. so getting design work is scarce now a days.do u guys face that kind of problem too?
moreover i seem to be a misfit in this profession among professionals in the field, fellow students and lecturers in college and other people and clients. they give me strange vibe and looks of disregard. maybe because i dont look like a conventional architect or engineer. may be i look more like a fashion designer or makeup artist or cook or something like that. but i know most of them have no architectural and structural design skills that is even comparable to mine. all they know is talking crap and barely fulfilling the formalities and bribing government officials. its really hard for me to continue this profession. my dad also seems to be fond of only that kind of engineers.
so i am trying to learn computer programming in the hope that i can get a computer programming job.
i have also made a website for my dad. it is www.friendshipconstruction.com.np. please have a look at it and please tell me if you think i can will be able to do job as designer in u.s. if i somehow manage to come to u.s. or i should quit this profession and try something like computer programming.
all of your vids are so helpful 🙏
Thank you
Thank you for your video! They are always so helpful! 😊
+Heather RO you're welcome! Thanks for the support 🙏
Thanks a lot.
Hello, you mentioned that cal poly teaches more of the realistic practicality. i was just wondering if RISD architecture is a good quality schools bc it is a design college which would be more art tailored rather than practicality. just want to hear more about your opinion on this!
What is Architecture??
I tell my kids’ if you can draw ✍️ you will never starve. Your dad’ could break my back…take the house and bank account!! I will still be ok!! All I have to do’ sit in a wheel chair on Market Street Sydney and show off my designs.. people will come to me’ Not because I am in a wheel chair BUT because they genuinely like my designs!! Now I may have to modify my original designs based on clients budget BUT that’s ok!! Not everyone is a movie 🎥 star who can afford PRADA designed 100k dress BUT the fact remains “if the house of PRADA” wanted to design $1000 dollar dresses for the mass market “they are most welcome” BUT the house of PRADA” chooses NOT to play in that segment!!!!
Hey man I'm trying to be an Architect but I don't know much about it. I know the job obviously lol but I don't know the details of what I'm getting into that much and I want to make sure this career is not going to be a difficult and stressful task that I won't be passionate about after or during my career. I'd love to design and create but I don't know if it goes much deeper than that and I don't know where to begin after I go to collage and get a bachelors degree. Thanks for the video keep it up!
Zena I think you should learn how to spell “college” before you go to one lol. It’s college not collage
This is for the kids out there. In my early days, I went to a local university that offered industrial design school. The faculties of ID and Arch were together. I did one year and left, hated it. It was a waste of time. Mind you these programs were known to be really abstract and not grounded in reality, very airy fairy stuff like you mention. bleck. useless. I ended up just getting a business degree instead. Now, always being a creative, didn't really like what I was doing for work in admin. So basically just started pursuing design on my own terms. Which, let's face it, is the most fun anyway. I ended up self teaching in CAD (solidworks), became OBSESSED with it. Created an on-line portfolio, competed in competitions, won quite a few and started getting my name out there. 10+ years later, I'm an expert modeler. I've worked freelance, for companies, I have traveled and I have mass manufactured products being sold around the world, it's a trip. It's always somewhat of a struggle but there's one thing I know, I NEVER would have been able to get this good @ CAD through a design school. I spent 14+ hr days, non stop, sometimes not even sleeping for a few days straight, for years, just focusing on one thing, CAD modeling, you just don't have time in school to do that, especially if you're studying other nonsense that you'll never use in the real world. Now, I think I'm at the point where I might try to apply for a masters, but only for the reasons of networking and socializing. Interesting to hear about your more practical program though, programs like that are GOLD and I highly recommend them. I just wish I had something like that around here.
Yes, it's hard to learn the software in school. Even the students who learn a software very well, typically hit another learning curve when they get out into the profession. Whether you're a professional or self-taught, it takes putting in the time.
i want to be interior design but too expensive to study and for so many reasons i can not travel to study so i have only one way online study but still too expensive so i thought to look for Asian college might be cheaper what you think ?
what you think better as degree for interior design if you want to be good at it deign for hotels and villas ,, must Bachelor degree or enough to have associated degree ?
Is landscape architecture easier or harder than standard architecture?
Hey Drew, I'm a senior in high school and I plan on studying architecture. I've asked a lot of people this question and have not gotten the response i'm looking for. I've seen your videos before so I figured you might be able to help. The question is what is the difference between a B.arch degree and a B.F.A. in architecture? I know b.arch is 5 years and b.f.a. is 4, and I know b.f.a. isnt an accredited degree so I would have to get my masters to become an architect. But I want to know curriculum wise which is better for me and what do companies prefer when hiring someone. I'm leaning more towards the b.arch and I definitely want to get my masters degree. If you could explain this it would be a great help. Thanks.
What did you decide to do? I’m arguing this right now as well as to what school should I apply to
What did you decide to do? I’m arguing this right now as well as to what school should I apply to
It depends on what kind of architect you want to be (become). I think schools are not only about effort and hard work. Schools is were the networking starts. Schools can give you access to their database of former students. And architects will often get projects from other architects. If you look at the careers of for example some of the students (and teachers) from the 70's and 80's the AA school in London. You can see how Rem Kollhaas, Zaha Hadid, Daniel Liebeskind, Bernard Tschumi, Peter Cook etc... their careers have all been interlinked.
Agreed! Networking plays an important in the career for an Architect! It controls the inflow of projects to the firm or the Architect!
+ARUN MV +one minute architecture yeah networking is important, but who at school are you going to network with? your friends who also don't have jobs? lol I think the best way to network is going to professional events like AIA events or something like that (or the equivalent in other countries) more so than school. ...which I'm sure you can indeed make a few meaningful and productive relationships in school, but I don't think it's make or break. There's plenty of other places and ways to network.
I second Drew Paul Bell's comment! The urge of most architecture students is to stay in the architecture building day in and day out. If you want to network with peers then venture out and take classes in other majors and meet people in those programs.
This, also the UK has a strong class system which is magnified in the secondary and tertiary system. Obviously you need to be a hard working, talented and a self disciplined student. These institutions tend to also have the best equipment and technical support to make your ideas a reality. I have seen great students go on from not so great universities to do their Part II at The Bartlett, The AA and the RCA which seem to be the trifecta gateways to greatness (but does not guarantee it).
The not so great universities tend to pay tutors better so you’ll find ex AA and Bartlett students working there as unit leaders. It’s well known that practices send employees over to head hunt the best students at the end of year shows from the three I mentioned before. Eventually they end up in competition juries and they can recognise the caliber of one of their own. People also tend to hire what they know so it tends to be from the ones they are in competition with. In the US this might be different. There is hope but you’re going to have to really put the work in and progress.
If you’re looking to study I would definitely recommend learning the software first through cheap Udemy (or other sites) online courses (AutoCAD/Revit, Rhino, Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign). Learning on a project is really stressful especially when lectures and essays need to be done. You also want to draw everyday and be able to draw like an architect as tutors will call you out on grubby sketchy lines, again there are videos on here and other sites. It’s better to go in with the knowledge to be able to make your ideas a reality. From my experience the courses at my university for software were not really structured to help you complete your work as an architect, merely a software intro and off you go, sink or swim.
I would also make a list of final deliverables (all the drawings and final models) per project and a work schedule to keep you on track. Again my university was open ended, you were never really done or told exactly what needed to be done, it’s better to have a complete idea of what you need to have done and if you have time to do more then you do more. If you do group work and have the option to choose, choose like minded people and make sure the work looks like it’s from united group and you’re on the same page about the appearance, you really need to be firm as there always tends to be one or two selfish people that want to have it their own way and mess it up for everyone else. Also make sure you go to a university that does an actual building in first year (you would think this would be a given😒).
Be prepared for shitty things that tutors come out with. First year, first term, no building design (merely casting bodies) a tutor told some students in 1-1 end of term assessments that they shouldn’t be architects, nothing beyond that, no further options of helpful things to consider, just an irresponsible thing to say from a tutor that isn’t even an architect. I once had a German tutor put my ancestry into question and say Poland could have been a great country, they had many opportunities, what happened? Then to a black student another said come back when you have more money.
All good points. Certain schools are going to offer certain advantages, and you should work hard to get every advantage you can get, no matter what school you are at. And you will encounter several obstacles along the way, but if you can identify them, you can find a way around them. :)
I really want to study Architecture but im not sure if i should attend at Univeristy or College?
You contradict yourself a lot. You say that your professor would rather hire the graduate who is most excited regardless of where that person went, but then you state how well known and preferred your university is in your area. You also state that its about how much knowledge and skill you have and choosing the best program should be about content. Then you contradict yourself by saying you can learn a lot of skills and techniques through self study and curriculum shouldn't matter. I'm not saying that there aren't small pieces of useful information but overall you are not the best at giving advice.
I rewatched the video, and I stand by everything I said.
I said the name of your university does not matter AS MUCH as what you can do. I said some schools are going to be better than others, but that doesn’t have to hold you back.
To elaborate about some firms only hiring from my university...1. I have always suspected that there are firms who only hire grads from the other school over my school, I just naturally don’t hear anything from those firms because I don’t have any connections to them (and I don’t loose any sleep over it lol). 2. Even if some firm won’t hire from your school, it doesn’t matter because there are other firms that will. (You don’t need everybody to like you. You can’t work at every firm in town at the same time.) 3. The issue those firm owners had with grads from the other local university had to do with a lack of practical understanding and egos. But anyone at that school could spend a summer doing contracting work and likely erase any fears of those particular firm owners.
As I said in the video, there is such a thing as QUALITY (some schools are better than others and some employees are better than others.) And, let me be clear, you should work to be as good as you can be. If you do that, then a mediocre school won’t be able to hold you back. (And if you’re determined to be lazy, a good school name on your resume won’t save you.)
How do u find the quality of the school
What is the job outlook for architects? After you graduate, do you try to get a job at whatever firm you can?How much control do you have over the types of buildings you design? If you want to design skyscrapers or really cool houses, would you try to get a job at a firm that primarily does that kind of work? Do you get to pick and choose what kind of buildings you design, or could you wind up designing boring strip malls and grocery stores? Also, what is the job outlook in the southeast? I live in Alabama, and will probably go to Auburn if I choose to major in architecture. I really like Atlanta, and would love to find myself working there someday. Where would you say most of the firms are located in the southeast? Thanks, I really appreciate your videos
john terry Thanks for the response! I hope Drew replies, but you definitely gave me a different insight into it. Your reply reminded me of when Drew said college is just the foreword
Yes. If you want to work on certain types of buildings then work for a firm that does that. If you want to do high rises, look into firms like SOM or some other firm known for that. If you want to do modern residential, then apply to those firms. In architecture, you get more of what you have done in the past. So just look at what a firm has done and you will get a pretty clear clear indicator of what they will continue doing. The economy obviously plays a role in what work there is. Sometimes developers just aren't building high rises. but if you don't want to do strip malls (which I wouldn't do either) just don't lend your services to a firm that does that.
When you work for a firm, you provide value to that firm. (If you are willing to work hard, be humble, and learn a lot, and you're relatable,) you have bargaining power. You are not completely powerless. So, if you're good enough, you don't have to just take whatever job you can.
The building industry in Atlanta is booming right now. There seems to be a shortage of workers at the moment. I don't think anyone REALLY knows how the economic outlook will be in 5 or 6 years, but in Atlanta right now they are projecting a huge increase in the population, so that means a lot more building. But like I said I don't think anyone knows for sure. I think most of the firms are located in Atlanta, but there are plenty of towns like Macon, Columbus, Augusta, Montgomery that need architects too. So you don't have to go where the firms are, you need to go where the demand is high.
(I shot a video to answer your question earlier this week, but when I sat down to edit it, I really wasn't happy with it. What I wrote here was better than what I recorded, so I may work this into another vid. Sorry for the delayed response, and thanks for the question!)
Can u do a vedio on architecture courses .
Hey sir
I am architecture student from India and this is my final year In college after a year or two I am planning to do masters from abroad
Can you please guide me about the minimum percentage requirement for us and European schools
Actually my college is not so supportive in giving marks when compared to other college in India
The highest percentage of our college will be around 65%-70%
Do I have a chance
My score are around 60% but I can say that the quality of my work is appreciated and among the best in my school
Akash hey bro... lookin great I’m also from India am currently 2 yr.. I’m also looking for that .. hopefully I’ve got some same mind person’s around me!!
I was an architect and graduated from Columbia . I would say that it does not matter that much which school one graduates if you are looking for job. However, if you wanna dwell deep into architecture as an academic discipline. Ivy League schools do have a higher quality of faculty staffs and you can learn the subject matter more critically, off course, it comes with a price. However, I do not like to work in an architecture office, so I quit. I think I learn a lot from studying and practicing architecture.
I applaud you for knowing what you wanted! What did you move onto if you don’t mind me asking?
@@DrewPaulBell I moved on to illustration. I like architecture as a studying subject, and I like to detailing but I hate meetings with clients, plannings, consultants and contractors. I will only design and build my own house.
Nice! Are you happy with the switch?
@@DrewPaulBell So much happier. I do not like to work with architects, many of them have big egos and the job nature is mostly project management.
Question: What can I do with an associate degree in architecture if I can’t afford going to a five-year-college yet?
Thanks,
+Mohammad Alnaghash an associates degree would train you to be a draftsmen. You could work for a construction company doing drawings or “A+E” firms (architecture and engineering firms) or interior designers. In those roles you would be doing drafted drawings instead of leading designs (you don’t lead designs fresh out of architecture school any way though).
(On a side note, I know a few people who did this. They got associates degrees and worked for interior designers or a+e firms. Then when the economy tanked, they started on their BArch degree. They usually hadn’t work on projects that were really well designed. But they did seem to do really well in the professional program. They were good at thinking graphically and communicating with drawings. One challenge they had was they would butt heads with professors; they were more grounded in reality than the artsy academics. When the professors were having us do pointless exercises, the people with experience knew better. But they also struggled with a little hubris; sometimes they thought they knew better but really they didn’t.)
Getting an associates degree can be a good route to take. Just watch out for stubborn professors and your own hubris. :)
Thanks a lot for being so helpful and responsive. I’m expecting to graduate next Spring, and to be honest, I was feeling down because of my financial challenges. With your insight however, I’m no longer clueless on what to do next. This is actually very encouraging.
I noticed the “hubris” thing with some of my “experienced” classmates, and I have to say that I find it very annoying sometimes. I’ll make sure that I keep mine in check when I go back to school.
Thanks again for all the good work you’ve been posting, and I wish you a very successful life.
What is your opinion on an accredited program v.s. a non-accredited program?
You can definitely learn a lot in either, but if you want to become licensed, the accredited program moves you closer to that goal.
It really doesn’t matter, anyone who thinks it does has their priorities all wrong.
Hey, I'm going to SPSU!
+sean li nice 👍
Drew Paul Bell Hi Drew, will I have a shot at getting in with 1270 sat and 3.7 gpa?
+sean li yeah. You can check the admissions page on KSUs website.
If you went to an Ivy league university then would you not get a better quality of education in any subject? That’s why they’re Ivy league right? That’s not to say that that a non Ivy league uni is of less or no quality. I agree it is the quality of work, but a good name university is very likely to contain students with high quality work.
There is an argument, that I believe is laid out by Malcom Gladwell in his book Outliers, that being a star student at a 2nd tier school makes it more likely to have a paper published than being an average student at one of the very top universities like Harvard and Yale. The theory has to do with access to resources like teachers and competitions. The study looks at academic research papers, which is different than designing buildings, but the argument is still that being a “big fish in a small pond” (but NOT too small a pond) early in your development may lead to more success later in your career, because of increased access to the available resources and personalized attention from professors/coaches/mentors. (It’s been several years since I read about the study so I may have some details wrong. But the point is that it’s more complicated than Ivy League schools simply being better for every student.)
WHICH SUBJECTS ARE IMPT FOR ARCHITECTURAL ENGINEEERRING??
+kakunzu ruke That seems like an odd question to me, but I’ve gotten it before. Can you tell me why you are asking?
Drew Paul Bell bc i have to choose the subjects next year?? We drop and pick a few subjects in 9th grade, so i just wanted to know what subjects are impt for an architectural engineer. And what is the minimum and max pay??
As an engineer I’d assume it’s maths, physics, chemistry, coding, maybe even biology these days... ideally drawing skills too as you will be working with architects and it’s an important part of communication and you want to be able to recognise an architects intent and communicate the engineering realities. It all depends on how good you want to be and the projects you want to work on and people you want to work with.
super!
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What I wanna know is will I be ok with an Associates Degree in Architecture from a trade school
An associates degree is not accredited. And unfortunately, it will probably limit your job options, because most architecture firms expect to hire students from 4 and 5 year bachelors or masters programs. But I’ll never say never - you may find jobs but they likely won’t be high design firms, probably more like A+E firms or builders.
Not that I disagree with the sentiment, but it’s a rediculous notion that gauging the potential application of credibility of an institution comes from a bad place. Very biased thinking. There absolutely ARE people that *do* care which school you went to - regardless of the moral implications. Competing in any industry, everything on all sides matter. It’s WELL KNOWN that if you can’t afford Ivy League, you merely have to work harder to prove your worth. Given the fact that this guy DID actually go to a top 10 architecture university, it seems like this is just his subconscious projection of rationalizing the failure of his unrealistic personal expectations for himself. Of course these things are true, dude.. it transcends through all areas of life. Insecure axiom.
Is the school Paul Bell linked to you?
+ParkJAllDay I went to SPSU. I graduated 3 years ago. I'm not associated with them beyond that...if that's what you're asking.
No it's just that there's a school named Paul Bell and you look like the person Paul bell, the founder of the school.
+ParkJAllDay oh... there is? lol I never knew that
Yeah
You dont think that doesnt matter..but then again..you do NOT have any life experience...yes that famous degree doesnt make you better but a degree of a famous well known school helps...a lot...to get a job in a big well know office or to become lecturer/Professor or to get a good ob with the govenrment...they are not concerned, they just prefer your competition...so it matters! Do these videos in 15-20 years so you can back your words up- with proper reasons and experience
can anyone help me please.....I want to majpr in architecture. ...I am an international student....so I need a uni which gives more financial aid but also which have medium acceptance rate.
I have 4.0 gpa and 1500 in sat ... 8.0 band in ielts ...pls help....
Muneefa Shinku in texas?
Non sense
lol that Cooper Union logo 😳🔥