SCA hears state appeal against Pistorius conviction
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- The Supreme Court of Appeal in Bloemfontein hear an application by the National Prosecuting Authority to challenge Oscar Pistorius's culpable homicide conviction. In 2014, the Blade-runner was convicted of shooting dead Reeva Steenkamp on Valentine's Day in 2013. The state believes Judge Thokozile Masipa erred in her application of the law when handing down judgment.
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We only have Pistorius' word that
He thought he was in danger and thought Reeva was in the bedroom - how can they be 'factual findings' ???
Are courts always expected to believe the testimony of people charged with crimes or is it possible that the accused will tell lies to protect themselves and evade punishment ?
+Highlandcoffee1 Thats why roux sounded like a child arguing his point ,he knows this judge has him sussed.. Im pretty sure masipia was paid off , surely a judge cant be a stupid as her..
+Highlandcoffee1 He knew it was her behind the door.
I believe that too - didnt believe his statement of events AT ALL !!! - however the prosecution were unable to prove it
They hopefully have during the appeal shown that firing four exploding bullets into a small toilet is deserving of a murder sentence though
+Highlandcoffee1 I do like the point of "it does not matter who was behind the door, he shot with intent".. There was no way for him to actually aim, and fire 4 times without thinking. That is pure nonsense.
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It's a cold day in hell when people can get shot for going to the bathroom. It's a cold day in hell when you can shoot through walls just because a noise was made. If people get as scared as Oscar did, they need to be put either in prison or in a nut house. There's no excuse for what he did. Find your loved ones before shooting through walls. Show some balls. If he's moving fans and he can't figure out that she went to pee than he's crazy. It can't happen. He knew it was her. He found out that she was leaving him for a man with legs and balls.
+BOB OVER Well said!
+Jennifer Adam One thing they seldom mention is that Oscar lied his ass off. It was obvious that he was lying. He kept add things to his original bail. He made up the window sliding open and later add the slamming. He made up the door slamming and changed the whisper to a low tone. He said in his bail that he went onto the balcony to get 1 fan and changed that lie. Everything he said was a lie.
Oh he new, she had just told him, she was living, moving away he lost the plot, poor Reeva for what he done, 13 years is nowhere near enough life for a life. He planned it
Whatever happens in this tragic case I hope that Pistorius has to return to prison
I cannot find any sense of justice in him spending less than a year there before being released into a life of luxury at his uncle's mansion
South Africa needs to show the world that it's judicial system does infact deal in justice - for Reeva - her family and friends - and for all the less privileged convicted who are facing harsher punishments for much lesser crimes
+Highlandcoffee1 no his prison time is done. He has to just serve the rest of time under house arrest. The Prosecution only proved negligence not a direct murder
The above comment was said before the decision came from the higher court. IT was corrected below
+Carolyn Porter Wrong. His prison time is not done.
He won't have the legs for a life sentence
+Max Payne Because Oscar is such a pretty boy I have no doubt that he will be privileged with extra Mayonnaise on those sandwiches.
+Carolyn Porter He was convicted to 5 years.... not 1
Justice Leach - good work - steadfast on the key point
+Nick Harris Justice Leach is brilliant he's got Roux all flustered and he can't convince Justice Leach with his pathetic explanations!
Justice Leach politely sat through Roux's insufferable waffle, and just interjected once in a while "just read the judgement!" LOL
Totally. He's such an incredible judge. I heard he's now retired.
I'm sure not even Barry Roux believes what's coming from his mouth when he argues Oscar's state of mind. If Oscar is so overly anxious, why did he go to sleep with his balcony door open and ladders stacked on the ground below it and why did he leave a broken window on the ground floor unrepaired?
Furthermore, not only did he have a housekeeper on site, but his property was being checked hourly by security guards. And to top it off he's never been burgled, so if he is as overly anxious as Roux claims he should have been in a secure psychiatric unit, because he posed a danger to the public.
Lol ..wow . Ur a lawyer
It is all about money!
Nel talks law, answers questions respectfully. Roux is pretty bad...hiding around in what is in OPs;mind...obfuscation...
4 Bullets into a confined space with nowhere to hide,can we not talk about intention to kill?!?
+Keamogetswe Letoaba not for man in his physical condition. For a man without legs Defense proved its equal to having like a PTSD and the psych report proved he had hyper vigilance problems and was constantly with a gun prepared to shoot because he had no legs to stand his ground against an intruder. Pistorious has to live with the guilt he negligibly didn't check for Miss Steenkamp in the dark when he heard a sound.
+Carolyn Porter Have you seen him run without legs? He runs faster than me on stubs and I have a good pair of legs.
I've been waiting for this, thank you so much
LOL at Barry during the last 3 minutes
Unfortunately judges do not rely on their emotions when arriving at their decisions. Im not an expert in this Law thingie ... I cannot give educated or well informed analysis on legal issues.... I do know however, that... unlike us ordinary or lay people, who rely on our emotions to judge situations, judges do not do that. They rely on admissible and tangible evidence. They look at what the law says, and apply It to facts placed before them.
Justice has finally been done and Pistorius is heading to jail for at least 15 years, as the State has just refused his appeal against his murder conviction.
it doesn't take a supreme court or 5 judges to convict this case with murder,for goodness sake
+maggs mum The reason they are there is to see if the previous Judge made an error in applying the law. Littleollieowl: is "applying" a better word for you?
+Carolyn Porter Applying! "Evoking"? It is not the spirit of Christmas past! You have no clue about the law obviously. Only state your opinion please, I highly doubt you have any legal background judging from all your ill-informed comments on here.
littleollieowl You flatter me...thank you! I had it correct didnt I though. I may not be from South Africa but I called it correctly and only reported the released information. I do have a legal background for advocating for victims. The Superior Court having now found Mr.Pistorius guilty of "Dolus Eventualis" meaning for a variety of reasons Mr Pistorius should have foresaw he placed whomever was in the toilet closet in imminent danger with his pistol loaded with a specific ammunition and should have foresaw death would be a possibility. Thus meeting the criteria for murder
Carolyn Porter Congratulations on back tracking! You thought that nothing would become of the appeal. The legal basis of appeal -Dolus Eventualis was flawless. All you kept repeating over and over again was that he has an anxiety disorder and that he was hypervigilant. There are 100s of thousands of people with anxiety disorders, they don't shoot indiscriminately into doors!
'Advocate for victims', well you certainly haven't 'advocated' for Reeva! All your comments prove to me is that perhaps you are a mental health nurse. If you were legally qualified (as I am) you wouldn't spout such disputed garbage and with such conviction! Most of it you got from Annette Vergeer and a psychologist paid for by Pistorius. That evidence was met with huge scepticism by the judge. Seriously you suffer from the Dunning-Kruger effect as someone else mentioned on here. Although that isn't an excuse either for discharging a firearm! Don't be flattered honey. Just be honest, state your opinion but don't spout it as if you are the oracle. p.s Yes, 'applying the law' is a better phrase than 'evoking the law'. It was the way it was stated in law school to me. You know, the place you think you went to.
You flatter me with your lengthy comment...thank you! I shall return it to you!!
I believe Roux got the Defense strategy wrong but where could he go? There's a reason Mr Pistorius shot into the door. His Psychological report certainly lent itself in a direction where Pistorius is a compromised individual.
You also have it partially wrong....once Roux erroneously put Dr Merryl Vorster on the stand to testify on how Pistorius suffered from GAD was crying and genuinely upset etc he opened the door for Nel to then say well maybe the Defendant should be tested and thus Masipa commissioned and ordered such to be done independently at Weskoppies Hospital. So not all was bought by his team. Get your facts straight.
I have attended law school but didn't complete due to my having a physical disability. But my work throughout the years provides experience in the field. Beginning with the reason for my advocating work which are for Domestic Violence as one who suffered and endured Spousal abuse. As well as I also come from a family who suffered a great loss as I lost my grandmother and my uncle to murder suicide. So my opinions are valid to me and I'm entitled to my own opinion. Thank you!
This case was plagued from the likes of Botha in the beginning and the botched police work during the investigation. I stand on my opinion and base it on the findings of the report and some of the Prosecution's own case in chief. We know Prosecution doesnt have to provide motive but Nel went to great lengths to try didnt he? For example in over how many 1000s of texts and the like he found 1 argument and his own witness testified he found the reading to be that of a normal couple.
Nel had to reverse his position about Pistorius wearing his prosthetics. He also lost the argument about the jeans.
My bottom lines are....again sorrow for the loss of Ms Steenkamp and for her family. Sorrow for the Pistorius family and the fall from grace. I do not believe Pistorius meant to kill Ms Steenkamp or anyone. I just believe he is a paranoid, hyper vigilant individual and those like him who are vulnerable to the point they feel no recourse but to own a gun and just go shooting into doors because he hears sounds and is negligent in seeking out the causation is just negligent and it unfortunately led to a death.
We shall see what is next....to be continued!
Justice Leach is brilliant. Stays on his point which is 100% correct. Almost felt sorry for Barry Roux!
Barry’s just doing his job
dont be emotional Mr. Roux, relax
+dyondzo chad relax Mr. Roux becaue he is too good?!?! he is the best man in court!
What i have noticed about SCA is that when an Attorney or Advocate appears there must be well prepared in all aspects of the case.....Statute, case law, reasons provided for decision and the facts. 28/9/2022 note made .
Gerrie is sharp. Got your man, Gerrie! You rock!
+Jennifer Adam no, Gerrie is evil
+Jennifer Adam They get so far off track and spend very little time talking about what triggered the event. When you hear a noise, everyone looks at their significant other and when they can't find them, they assume they are in the toilet and all ends well. Oscar is lying. He knew she was in the toilet. No one hears a noise and goes ballistic like Oscar said he did.
BOB OVER not no one! i would ! i had the same situation at my home! my friend was lying in bed and i heard a noise at the door - i didnt' - not only one secone!!! - look at my friend!!! i thought for myself: i will protect him! i will be a hero (as woman!!) and i was taking a knife from the kitchen with me - but no one was at the door...- it was deep in the night!!! sorry - i can believe Oscar - i acted like him...
+Susanne Müller It takes 2 seconds for a person to get out of bed and go pee. Everyone in a family goes to a toilet without asking for permission or without telling anyone. You have to see,feel or touch your family members before making an idiotic decision to pick up your gun and start shooting through walls and doors. My wife go to the toilet all the time and I always hear noises in the house. I have never panicked and gone ballistic. My loved one would all be dead if I did what Oscar did. He's lying and he's missing his balls as well as his legs. All the evidence shows that he mentally abused women when people weren't looking and then he finally killed one of his female victims.
BOB OVER so i'm the only Person (about you) which had for asking my mum if i can go out to the toilet...and i'm the only Person which believe in Oscar's Version - ok, i accept your opinion but i don't have to agree? bye.
It is about time they finally convicted him. . Although, sadly, this proves just how corrupt the court systems actually are. .
Side note: it must have been distracting having that lady in the middle siting right in front of the middle justice blocking his view..
wow I am so proud of Reeva's parents for hiring him as a Law-year! Bless him! May you serve as a law-year for many more years! Thank for serving Justice to humanity! RIP Reeva.
What are you saying? Reeva's parents hired who?
The lawyer was a prosecutor on behalf of the government, not hired by the family.
Lol hired
I think Roux is only doing his job.. whether or not this is a lie, the man is only doing his job..
+Sili Kay I hear you ..BUT it dosnt sit right with me ,deep down i question his morals and character.
I agree and this is not about morals and character it is about your profession and what you do for a living to earn money to be able to live
+London Fightfan If all people are morally right the criminals would have no one to defend them in court
Gerry Nel is a talented Advocate
Listening to this now a major miscarriage of justice was not jailing Pistorius lawyer as well. What a shocking disgraceful defence. Paid a lot of money no doubt.
I'm soooo tired but I can't quit till they end their argument
At 1:05..Roux admits Reeva was in the bathroom!
1:15 admitting you would know that someonwe would get hurt. Lying about the bathroom cubicle
1:44 bad interruption of sound
1:45 lower court judge does not apply dolus eventualis correctly roux can't handle it goes right back to OP's version
2:04 bad paper shuffling, he's stuck and needs a diversion
2:08...the anxiety syndrome
2:14 once again, judge asked the wrong question, Roux making the wrong argument of course, but he's making millions
2:53 more again on over fears and anxiety, which has nothing to do with dolus eventualis..interesting argument, twisted, but with visible holes. Captain Magena's evidence he didn't even deal with it.
Wow, how crass, hide behind disability, claim anxiety, forget the black talon ammo, 4 shots into a torso in a confined space, knowledge of firearms, etc. and his wealth.
1:41 , you can hear the panic in Rue now. I'm becoming embarrassed for Rue, he's in freefall right now and he's panicking. He's interrupting the judges, raising his voice and his arms are flailing all over the place. Total panic right now.
+Cosmic Kitten I agree! He lost total control of himself and he stuttered at one point that made me laugh out loud. He couldn't control this courtroom. Nels was brilliant.
I was so embarrassed for him, I've never seen anyone in freefall before and wow he went down swinging.
Cosmic Kitten
It was quite pathetic!
Cosmic Kitten I am from the uk. I have watched every vid I can find on YT and have found this case so interesting. I am now watching through my fingers, Rue sweat and panic! I ask myself does he really believe that Pistorius didn't intend to kill Reeva...Really??
Pls just lock him up as long as possible!This is premeditated 4sure*
I am grateful that South Africa has recorded this for us. However, I feel very sorry for the lawyers having to wear all those English Legal Robes in such a very hot country. In the West Indies, I believe that Barristers are allowed to dispense with those robes and wear appropriate lighter clothes in order to cope with the heat!
South Africa is not that hot unless if are from the UK...
It's very sad that people think that South Africa is a very hot country.
Steve Harvey also lied on one of his jokes. South Africa can be cold and hot just like any part of the world.
Please search more on Google about our weather.
Also start looking at South Africa as a whole. We dont live with Animals or ride elephants to work or wearing animal skins
The first thing a normal person would do if you suspected intruders in your home is to check your loved ones are safe and try and flee calling 911.
So did Masipa make an error : imho yes - 4 shots is intent (2lb trigger pull) , 1 shot would be doubt. Without doubt definitely dolus eventualis. 2nd degree murder.
Good argument! no need to know why he fired the shots!
Justice Leach gives a great 3 minutes of verbal take down of Barry Roux.( 1:47 to 1:50 must listen to CZcams) He uses his words as quick fists to jab this money hungry advocate, Barry Roux and teach him a school lesson in law in this case. No harshness, just swift jabs to make Barry squirm in his shaking pants. Let's hope justice will be served for Reeva and her family on the sentencing by the trial judge.
"Probably injure the person or possibly or probably kill the person.. . "
Yes, he was using a real gun.........
No way that's already so unfair,even 10yrs is not enough!lt should be:Life
I find it ironic that all of the "factual findings" that Barry Roux quotes aren't actually factual. They're based on Pistorius's lies that, perhaps, could not be disproven. The gunshots, the death or Reeva - these are factual. "Pistorius thought his life was in danger" is only a claim made by Pistorius, whose testimony has been widely regarded as unreliable, inconsistent and based on a series of unlikely circumstances that are all required to make the story possible.
Best prosecution seen ever
Im back here because of Senzo Meyiwas case
And he told her get out my house
its strange the SA court would fit one's testimony around to make him acquit with the charge of murder
Mr GreenGoat OP was acquitted with murder charge and convicted with CH instead.
+Green Goat I stopped believing anything OP said after he failed to take responsibility for the gun firing in the restaurant and ( conveniently ) couldn;t remember who he phoned for help at a restaurant after he had felt threatened and been forced to pull off the road whilst driving alone
( a cock and bull story if ever I heard one !!!)
So much of his behaviour is that of a spoiled child
Gerrie Nel is a beast!!
errornous application of the principles of dolus eventualis....
The point is Masipa believed he shot into the door out of fear which makes him guilty of shooting but the Prosecution has no proof he intended to murder Miss Steenkamp. There also were 2 cases precedents.
+Carolyn Porter 3/4 bullets were on target, and further, since Reeva was moving [falling] the shooter was tracking and aiming. Oscar had trained at shooting ranges before. But in this instance he fired without aiming? So it was just bad luck that besides Bullet B, each successive shot was more accurate and deadly than the last?
negative! there were 4 shots total 2 then 2 and 1 was a ricochet proven by ballistics. The fact is he had no reason to shoot to kill Reeva Steenkamp. What he was ...was a gun happy paranoid hyper vigilante
paraplegic.
+Carolyn Porter he had no reason to shoot to kill Reeva Steenkamp>>>There's a lot of very compelling evidence that he did. Gun happy - yes! If you're interested in an alternate view, one that supports the state's original assertion not just of murder but premeditated murder, read this www.amazon.com/Resurrection-Oscar-Pistorius-Murder-Series-ebook/dp/B00LHJ1WI2/ref=pd_sim_351_8?ie=UTF8&dpID=511%2BN1yQQiL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_UX300_PJku-sticker-v3%2CTopRight%2C0%2C-44_AC_UL160_SR113%2C160_&refRID=0JWJ93MM8GSEQFBF194G
+Carolyn Porter Did you LISTEN to the hearing? The whole point that nutty judge got wrong was abundantly clear - it did not matter if he intended to murder Reeva or not - the point is that shooting 4 times into an enclosed space indicated he intended to murder someone - persona irrelevant. Check your facts before you start running at the mouth.
Main point is (if it happened like op said it did) there is No Way he did not notice she was not in the bed! Nel was correct to emphasize that point by talking about the duvet, fan and denim. Op story is a lie. His story may have covered up other pieces of "evidence" that were found but his lame attempt to convince the court to believe that he thought she was still in the bed should have never been successful. Masipa is an idiot. Congrats to Nel and condolences to the Steenkamp fam.
+Eze Nwosu The bedroom wasn't even that big, the distance from the bed to the balcony door was only about 1 metre! How he could make a return trip from the bathroom back to the bedroom, fetch a gun from the bed she was supposed to be lying AWAKE on and not see or hear a word from her is just too staggeringly implausible.
Oh my, the Justices just said, "it didn't matter, he shot at the person in the cubicle and it turned out to be ""poor Reva""" oh my goodness, he's team Prosecutor. Lol now I understand, its' about time someone actually listened to the evidence. The original judge picked just one of Oscar's reasons for killing Reva and ran with it.
He asked her to come out and she would not he flippted
I think so too 🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞
They all disagree with the judge first dissection
1.41 onwards - Roux gets stuck
They looked too happy together. He is not a serial killer something just went wrong in that house that night. Oscar Pistorius is a sufferer of paranoia. He acted on part of survival skills and instinct. Fanie du Preez is a serial killer.
+Dewaldt Fourie What does a serial killer have to do with this? OP is a murderer! He does not suffer from your diagnosis of "paranoia." Did you not pay attention to what he had to say on the stand? He said he is the type of person who will go TO the danger, he is no coward according to his spoken ego. If he shot maybe just once he may have been believed, when you shoot someone 4 times you want that person dead. He is controlling, jealous and self entitled. May he rot in jail for at least 15 years and learn true paranoia!
+mrip75 Agreed! Why shoot several bullets and on top of that all the bullets made the target! Reeva was over killed esp when he targeted her and knew exactly where she was positioned behind a closed door??!! its disgusting??!! and he has been proven to be and always will be a murderer. RIP Reeva today is your 3rd anniversary :(
He knew she was leaving him soon*
Why did Oscar Pistorius stop firing?
+Sonia Takeda it was asked in cross. He didnt have much of a reply or any if i recall it correctly. I think 4 shots became enough in his mind that , that would kill her. Who knows, maybe the 1st shot was intended only , but then at the critical moment he may of thought 'i cant leave this here i must finish the job so as to never have to become face2face with Reeva knowing what he done and also knowing that she fully well know he meant to shoot at her after an arguement.
+295walk well done? you believe your own words? you weren't there and you didn't have great fear...nobody said the were really a argument between Reeva and OP, she was very grateful to see him the evening - you know she was laughing in her car - knowing: i go to OP.
Why Nell is pushing the ignored circumstantial evidence when he is pushing for eventualis, maybe as a lesson for future trials?
+Nick Harris
Because culpable homicide conviction rested on parts of Oscar's evidence - even though he was deemed a "poor witness". The argument is that his evidence was actually "impossible" because of circumstantial evidence ignored by trial court. If that is the case then his version should be set aside completely - including all the stuff about him being scared. Because no independent evidence of how or why he fired shots. It would simply turn on the firing of bullets through a door into a small space.
SO circumstantial evidence still relevant in strengthening Nel's argument that Oscar's evidnece should be ignored completely - and form no part of the judgement.
Porter acts like an oracle except; each entry reveals nothing but a glaring and implacable lack of understanding. Porter evidently didn't understand the first thing about the original judgement or the SCA process. Lets await the appeal judgement - then come back and rectify your erroneous aspersions.
If Judge Masipa granted the appeal for Nel what is the question now?Appeal court can act now
"He is scared"
In this case, the fact the Prosecutor has to go to the Court of Appeal leaves me with little faith in SA Justice. One can only hope they get it right second time around
+bit stream What a crazy thing to say. The fact that the Prosecutor can go to the Court of Appeal should, if anything, give you faith in SA Justice. I can think of many cases in my own country where it took campaigners years of campaigning to get dodgy acquittals and court rulings overturned.
Yes she got up has something to eat and he followed and fighting acured
ironic that the case will likely go back to masipa for sentencing, where she'll have guidelines of at least a 15 year minimum. she gets a do over.
It should not go back to Masipa if this Court proves she was incompetent. It surely should go to another High Court judge who remains impartial.
+kalikrome1 Masipia should be sacked and put in a mental home..
+Elizabeth Harrison agree 100%, unfortunately, that's the way it works in SA. if the SCA substitutes the judgement, then they must send it back to the original trial court for sentencing.
+kalikrome1 if oscar ch converted to dolus eventualis,surely masipa will have no choice but give him the minimum sentence which is 15 years
+maggs mum ~ indeed, minus time served.....but I believe you're right, 15 years is the minimum for DE.
Trial court judge was on Oscar side but this court ...defense lawyer is very bold in answering all the judged. TOUGH JOB FOR HIMZ
Defence is there to ensure State has a case .When defends starts getting aggressive it’s a sign their argument is not robust . It’s not Roux ...he merely doing his job that is in all our interest . What is left here is the ability for the accused to navigate around ridiculous actions in a scripted manner ! If he is found guilty it is clearly premeditated as he had already had an alibi as he came down carrying her body and saying he shot her cos he thought she was the intruder....he was able to take stock of the enormity of his situation and create his defence on the day of the crime !
Those 'judges' frustrated me a lot - I wonder if they understood what Gerrie Nel was saying!!!!!! Typical South Africa!
There is no factual findings no one no’s only Oscar
Download Justice Leach and Justice Majiti are astute judges
Thurtable:Roux is just doing his job as his defence lawyer not about the truth
is tenacious
but it is tricky ....
shame Barry Roux was way out of his league!
Barry your defense was bullshit. Judge Masipa needs to be put out to pasture.
Mick Jay She is so old, it's a wonder she doesn't just drop to dust.
It stinks of a corrupt country and legal system. Who believes if he was black he would have been treated like this murderer!!!!!
Sta andando tutto male da una vita immaginiamo a te mi dispiace
Definitely no amt of time is enough*
Profiling this murder convict- one swallow
does not make a summer
Profiling
attempts to derive hypothesis about an offender based on the analysis of the
crime scene, victim information, current police intelligence of offenders,
geographical profiling, racial profiling and equivalent death analysis. This is
realistic but in the case of Olympic Gold Medallist and very severely disabled
Oscar Pistorius, the prosecution and the global media tried extremely hard to
drum up a nasty and portentious side of this athlete- we do not know how much
money the television companies paid Pistorius’ ex-girlfriend and other to go on
screen globally to destroy Pistorius’ character and reputation.
Cheap social
media communication has caused wars and forced courts to change verdicts
We
are no longer ruled by the Rule of Law. The media now rule the world in effect.
There is no respect any longer for laws and protocols of behaviour and company
governance. Politicians understand this and are unscrupulous, because today,
money rules the world- newspapers thrive of controversy and conflict and
without conscience they break legal rules; legal codes of ethics and rules of
governance, as if the world is in a chaotic state of
anarchy,
evidence of which were the global protests against the world’s financial
systems, such as Occupy Wall Street, (‘OWS’), a protest movement that began
on 17 September 2011, in Zuccotti
Park in New York’s Wall Street financial district, which received global
attention due to the media and the Internet social media websites, thereby
spreading the OWS movement against social and economic inequality worldwide.
Criminal
profiling
Profiling
is used when there are established profiles of certain types of personalities.
However, as the proverb states: ‘One
swallow does not make a summer’. The global public have always been
gormless and today they can spread their lack of legal knowledge and lack of
education by way of cheap Internet-equipped telephones and computers, offshoots
of billions of pounds of military research to get mankind to the moon and a
computer to planet Mars.
Oscar is a naughty boy never mind this case
Sounds like a set up!!
Non posso più neanche aiutare me stessa immaginiamo te
murder
Clearly in Africa money's important*
E anche colpa mia quanto mi dispiace
Abner Moses are u for real what does skin colour have to do with error in findings
I think that the prosecuter made a mistake from the beginning.When OP said the shooting of Bullets were an accident or he shoot in fear of his life uncontroled at the Toilett door he should mark a circle of all for shoots at the door.Shooting for shoots in rapid sequence uncontroled or in panik or fear could never be in a so closed circle of target
Midispiace
La madre di quella se rimanete uniti a uomini voleva partire toscana toscana strano e una che poi la zia fa prendere tutte
Oscar Pistorius should have owned up immediately and then explained what she said and did to drive him into that situation.
I'm sure that most men would both understand and sympathise with him. Some women drive men to suicide and others to murder.
+aTruster BS. If anyone sounded like a drama queen, it was Pistorius, not her. Hens coming home to roost, hens coming home to roost!
Jennifer Adam The French had a law that exonerated a man under certain circumstance. It was called a crime of passion and you, being a woman, will never know nor understand this.
+aTruster Is it only men who can commit crimes of passion then?
Sparrow Dean Women can commit a crime of passion, but only if they have the Y chromosome.
aTruster Really? You'd better let the French know. It's ironic that your user name is 'a truster'.
Rue looks totally defefeted
Nel team c'è pure altro lei lo sa che parlo con lei basta non usare il potere per ciò chesaigentile
Convincono uomini a mettere figli figlie per proteggere ma non sanno che ai bambini fanno altro perché a queste piace troppo l'uccello e ricariche poi cancella tutto e fa l'amica solo che con chi parli a voce ricordi tutto anche il gruppo aaaaa
Usa al una pasquale il suo numero per far uscire Antonio il fratello lo stesso che a fatto bisticiare fratelli per terreni uguale e usa tenere in chiamata la figlia
Non posso più seguirti Belgio il magniaccio due ospedale sempre attivo con mezz'ora assassina
WHO GIVE HIM [ MR NEL ] PERMISIONS TO USE A LAW CONTRA A HUMAN
????
This was truly a accident!!
we do not know whether Mr Garry Nel wants to prove a fact or what against the chairing of or presiding s of a black woman judge.i stil do not understand his rational point with regards to the conviction,Dr Watter Basson has done far worse than Oscar did
+Abner Moses It does not matter whether the judge is black or white , error in law is an error in law . Judge Masipa allowed her emotions to cloud her judgement , Oscar was a very good actor and if not he was genuinly remorseful , however he commited murder and it was not a mistake
We real need stability and strict interpretation of legal principles in order to maintain legal confidence in South African legal system.
+Abner Moses Gerrie Nel and Wouter Basson. With a statement like you made, its not difficult to see why you do not understand the point.
+Abner Moses moses i beleive u not a lawyer let lawyers speak put ur rusty ass down'
+Abner Moses Is this the most pathetic excuse we come with when all else fails RACE THIS RACE THAT , THIS HAS GOT NOTHING WHAT SO EVER TO DO WITH RACE but LAW Moses LAW
Lappello
A lot of people jump into conclusion that Oscar deliberately killed Reeva, and do so with conviction. I have a hard time believe so. I think the reason why they jump into this conclusion is because of the prosecutor skills. It is hard to explain your mental state or why we act a certain way, especially with this prosecutor. In my opinion, it is not fair to conclude that he is guilty because he contradicted himself. I wonder when would you believe an accused did not act erroneously. If I was in his position and believe there is imminent danger, I would not count how many shots I would fire. I just feel sorry for this guy because of the way people inherently think an accused is a liar and want to escape prison.
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Oscar is still an inspiration to me.I feel bad for him .I wasn't there the night he killed his girlfriend so who am I to judge, anyways,I already forgave him .
+Mark Coetzee Ahhh poor oscar ...Maybe if it was one of the ladies in your pic you would think differently?
+London Fightfan uhm sorry what you talking about my friend ?
+Mark Coetzee you forgive him!!! God loves you!! Big kisses XXXXXXXXFUMC!!!!!
Mark Coetzee
if he killed one of the ladies in your pic would you still feel bad for him ? ,assuming of course they are your blood relations?
+Lojo yes I do,why not :)
This is going from bad to worse here, Justice is asking the dimensions of the bathroom, indicating shooting into the toilet it would be certain death to anyone in there. omg Rue tried to get away from that but justices Leach simply isn't letting it go.
See 1:13:39 for the question about dimensions.
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