Great and informative video. Thank you to Craig Morgan and other landowners who are willing to allow access and work with the public on this issue. To you fellow hunters out there. If turned down for permission. Be respectful. Be part of the solution. Not the problem.
Thank you for bringing this issue of landlocked public property in a way shows all sides of the situation. It is going to take open minds and open conversations to move from where we are currently at. Well done
Absolutely. It usually is ranchers who have issues. They have their cows on BLM land, and they always will try to tell you that it's private. Weather you're hunting, or fishing, or having a damn picnic, their excuse is always, "well you know I got cows out here" blah blah blah. On x is nice because I have been able to know exactly what's what. And I always tell anyone with issues, to contact the sheriff, and I carry on with what I was doing. It's infuriating when someone trys to run you off land that is public to say the least.
Outstanding! Great work Jason and team. Thanks Randy for chipping in. Thanks OnX. Thanks outstanding landowner(s). Such an important topic, and very well covered. No bias. We're all in this together.
Any landowner complaining about "corner crossing" is attempting to remain in sole control of that adjacent public land which is a much more egregious "wrong" than any claim to having their airspace momentarily encroached upon. The real reason why this is an issue is money (as with most things worth fighting over). Deer and elk are worth big dollars to ranchers and whether collecting guide fees or trespassing fees it boils down to money.
Then you go to Craig Colorado area and most of the land owners say NO to hunting their property or has an outrageous trespass fee per hunter. Then you also have the ranchers that have their own outfitting business on their own property which is all fine and dandy. But when they push their cattle or sheep to the top of the mountain 2 - 3 weeks before the elk season starts and let's them graze up there until 2 or 3 days before the season. They then push their herd down the mountain to their property which intern will push most of the elk and deer onto their property for their clients. These ranchers don't care about anything but money. They don't care about the hunter one bit. I do believe this BS is illegal but last I herd the state of Colorado is still doing nothing about it.
@@luckytrapper7656 Experienced the opposite this past week. National forest with cows all over it. Not sure why public land is being used as grazing land but it is hard to be stealthy when you keep causing stampedes.
Well done and kudos for looking at issues from the perspective of all user groups involved. Working and talking is how things get done. Hope more people watch, listen and engage.
this is an issue and super glad to see this approach and hope more take the initiative to get out and do things like this. The private lands that landlock public lands are pretty much claiming it for themselves, which isn't right.
This is awesome! Thanks for highlighting this issue. I live in Utah and one program we have here seems like a reasonable access solution, at least for hunting. It’s the CWMU program where private land owners can receive tax benefits for allowing a certain number of public hunters each year. The hunters don’t have to pay crazy access fees and the landowners can manage wildlife herds and get tax benefits. I’d love to see that program across the country! I know several other western states have something like it but Midwest and Eastern states should work on it too.
Unfortunately , no one thought about access to this land ! Even a 2 meter boundry along a fence line for access would have sorted this issue . Owner compensation for land lost must be taken into concideration but in the end , This is obtainable!
Good job Jason! Great video by everyone who took part and very informative on the subject. I can’t wait to see how things change in the coming years. For now I will enjoy and appreciate what we already have. (My heart started pumping when that bull walked in!) 🏹
This video is absolutely pivotal! Could not have been published at a better time or deliver a more valuable message. Thank you thank you thank you for shedding light on a sensitive topic while very tastefully portraying both sides of the story! In the world we live in now, this video is one of the most real and necessary topics to surface unbiasedly to cultivate knowledge and appreciation. Again, thank you very much and well done!
We've got about 316,000 acres of landlocked public lands here in Washington state. We are trying to figure out what to do about that so these collaborations and projects highlighting the issues really help. Keep up the great work!
Particularly because we have a local state populace that is increasingly disconnected from, or hostile to, hunting and hunters. Getting permission on someone's land is like pulling teeth.
Excellent documentary! It's remarkable to see onX take charge talking about this issue that has fallen into your lap. Absolutely right this is not an issue of sportsman vs landowner which is often what we're made to think... Better said is "now is the time to DISCUSS these issues" - much credit to ya'll for a great film.
Would love to see Randy and Jason do a hunt together someday. Two of the best spoken when it comes to public lands. Hell why not bring Steve Rinella along as the camera man!?!
Ranchers, farmers and other neighboring landowners of public lands will never open the gates of public access without charging large fees affordable only by out-of-staters. Another example of the widening between those who have and those of us that have not prompted by our own legislatures. These landowners will fight to the end to keep locked properties locked. PERIOD.
Awesome vid. Thanks CZcams for flagging it as “inappropriate content” so it won’t play on the big screen. And I though I was going crazy trying to find it when it pops right up on my phone .Your the best
I disagree. I think corner crossing is more of a constitutional right. Public property access should trump private property rights in this one instance
This is interesting because I am from Mankato Minnesota and I am aware of two areas close to me that are land locked and I was confused. upset, and eventually angry in the least when I when I found them and spent so much time trying to access them.
Man it's so awesome to have people who can use their platform to promote the ethical side of hunting. Both to HUNTERS and non-hunters! It only takes a few jackasses to make us all look like bloodthirsty idiots! Having someone who represents those of who respect the Planet, believe in conservation, and want to be good stewards of our natural resources is invaluable. So, Jason and team, MUCH APPRECIATED!! Keep up the great work!!
That "corner crossing" thing is ri-DIC-ulous! Should be able to solve that one in, like, 10 minutes. Surely we could get Congress or some court to pass a law to say something like "as long as a person remains within 10 feet of the corner boundary for less than 1 minute, and removes nothing from the property nor makes any impact upon it, he/she shall not be consider to have trespassed" for this one specific incident. Absolutely insane that you can't access public land just because some jerk of a landowner doesn't want you swinging your leg over the corner of their property for 5 seconds!
Some of this concerns Outfitters that have paid a private land owner for access. That is a business plan; advantage outfitters. Most likely there will be Landowner/Outfitter collaboration.
This made my to watch! Thank you, I am so relieved to see those who poses the wherewithal, bring attention to things that many do not know directly effects them.
I hunt on a large chunk of land locked state land here in Wyoming. I access it through a private landowner. We help with cows, fencing, cutting wood for the winter, call before we head out to see if they need groceries from town since its an hour drive one way. We try and help out as much as we can to gain access. A landowner on the far end of the state land allows almost 50 out of state hunters into the public land at 1000$ a person. The Sea of Orange as we call it. The problem…..he does not regulate where they all drive their side by sides and wheelers at. There is one single “rancher trail” to drive on, park and head out on a trek for the day. These FOOLS don’t respect our public land in the area and chase deer all November long. Its quite the sight and our one game warden will do nothing about it. What im getting at is when we can access these lands we need to show the lands as much respect we can and help keep the greatness of them as long as we can!
Ranching is nothing more than a business. No difference than selling cars, running a gas station or sellng shoes at Walmart. I am really tired of the pedistal they are put on as far as "feeding the public" . It's simply a business and If they don't like it, then they could easily sell out and go get a job. There are tons of folks out there who would gladly trade their lifestyle for the ranchers. And FYI, I am a land owner/rancher in Wyoming. Not a big ranch, couple thousand acres and I have NEVER told a hunter or fisherman no. I, along with other land owners are only on this earth for a little while. Plus, it is the public who buys our cows or sheep or eats the crops we grow. Without the public there would not be those nice "trophy" ranches in existence.
Thank you for working so hard on this, knowledge is power. Our lands need our help as Stuarts of it. I am Proud to share and help further communications.
What I didn’t see was him driving a side by side everywhere to hunt. I know when I archery hunt elk every year people drive everywhere roads or not. I would be very nervous as a landowner allowing anything besides walk in only.
That is usually what it covers when a landowner gives an easement. In Colorado there is a group of these properties called the walk-in atlas. Motor vehicle access is extremely limited it these areas.
Great production. Well presented. I can say I enjoyed the video. I understand the want to access these lands, and for good reason, but it brings to mind a few questions; what happens when all these lands are accessible? Where then is “sanctuary”? Look at Europe, there are very few pieces of dirt that haven’t been trampled. What happens when all our dirt has been trampled upon? What happens to those sanctuaries where the wildlife escapes the encroachment of man? I am an avid hunter but I have a deep respect for the land and the flora and fauna which inhabit those lands. I, for one, desire to preserve those sanctuaries where few men tread…even if I never experience those lands myself. I am not so selfish to say so. Yes, there are many lands I have experienced and there are many more I will never experience, and I am good with that. Just offering my perspective and a opinion different from the one presented. I think we must search ourselves and ask ourselves if we might be motivated by a bias that could have an impact on our posterity.
Air access is a grey area. Five feet in the air is still private such as stepping over corners. 500 feet is considered public such as helicopters. 100 feet is grey which is where drones fly.
This is a awesome film. Bringing awareness to a major issue me being from the east coast always heading west for hunt nothing first hand the issues here hopefully we fix this so my kids have no issues
I was under the impression that people had to have access to public land. If said land was landlocked then the private land owner has to allow an access point .
Great video this issue is north of the boarder as well.. Canadian hunters are seeing it being a challenge .. not as often the checker board is seen but land lock public land is present..
As a sportsman. Show up early and help the rancher. Fix fence. Branding. Shipping. Haying. Or help out with ever your skill u have. Open your doors. Let them come to your house as a vacation We as sportsman have alot to offer. There r alot of things we can offer to those private owners in return. Its all about relationships. Just saying. It works.
This isn't talking about hunting on the rancher's private property. If it was your comment is spot on. However, this is about access to public land which SHOULD NOT be controlled by private individuals.
Why should I do any of that to access PUBLIC land? Sure go do that stuff to hunt on private all you want, but the federal government needs to step in and make access to these lands.
Great video, it pleased me to see someone make a video on this important topic about which I have strong opinions "In the Pines" was an ... interesting song choice, though, being about a man murdering his lover and leaving her in the woods 😭
While I do think public property should be accessed by the public, I also understand private property. I own private property. I bought property for my OWN enjoyment. In ohio there isn’t land locked property. Its a simple step for the state to buy the land for access. Keep pressure on the states, when they are tired but dealing with it they will make it happen.
Sure, but you'd have to make it a public domain thing. If there's a private rancher who knows that he controls access to a prime piece of elk-hunting land, he's not just going to let the state buy 20 sq. ft of land right at the corner to let people access it. You have to say "yeah, that's not right" and forcibly take it (and compensate him for the 20 sq ft, obviously).
I don't think they can, or it's a lengthy and costly process to gain that access so they(fish and wildlife departments) can't afford to pursue. Corner crossing won't work if the private land owners have contiguous borders, no adjacent corners to cross. Like another commenter mentioned IF a landowner is generous and allows an access road and small parking area then typically people will race in there to be first, leave litter, tear up ground, tear down a fence and drive inside private land because it's only a hundred feet further so why would they complain. The fault lies with the original land owner not ensuring easements were in place at time of sale, mainly because this issue(public land access) wasn't an issue at the time. Just my opinion.
Shut down FS grazing. There's cattle all over our national forests. These ranchers double dip with outfitting and pay next to nothing for hundreds of acres of pristine National Forest. Get them off public land!!!!!
This is what's hard for me to understand. When private landowners have parcels of land..."landlocked" by another landowner....they simply get an easement to access. Well.....public land is OUR land. It's mine....its yours. So why is it so hard to get the same easement??? What's the difference?
A simple solution exists. Put a very large tax on any income a private landowner makes from selling exclusive access to public lands. It's our land after all, why should it become someones private reserve? If they don't allow general public access then let them pay for the profit they make off of it.
As a land surveyor in the west, I can tell you the 'corner hopping' theory is absolutely illegal. Surface rights extend upward until FAA is concerned. The public does not possess the knowledge to identify the true corner position or markers used to identify the corners. OnX maps does not identify the true corner positions and is only as accurate as the GIS mapping compounded by GPS errors. USGS Topo maps are more accurate as many of the corners have been field identified. Fences mean very little, only occupation. Most fences and fence corners are a best guess to boundary lines and are usually built as convenient to contain livestock. After watching this video, I suspect I will start seeing folding step ladders scattered across the forest where OnX thinks a boundary should be. Do not rely on your cell phone, you will lose.
The BLM no one is talking about is the Bureau of Land Management. Why does the federal government still possess and manage this land? I'm all for protecting national parks, but just take a look at the prime real estate they control.
@Justin - It's easy enough to figure this out on your own. Why do you ask someone else to do the work for you? I find that troubling. Can you explain why you think someone else should do all your homework for you?
@@justintalley6227 I would Google search helicopter flight schools or general flight training in your area. For a cheap older helicopter ride near Salt Lake city it would have been about $150 an hour. That helicopter is way nicer though lol. And you have to pay for them to fly back to the airport. And then both ways to come get you
if we do not step over the corners, we are losing our public property rights! the private land owners lose nothing accept the sole access to our lands that they are claiming as their own. STEP THE CORNERS RANDY! set an example.
@Rob Grubb - This is a complex issue that requires some time and effort to understand. I suggest you study it a bit more to better understand all the issues this can have legally. You'll need an attorney to understand the legal aspects under the laws of your state. It can get very tricky. People have had to spend a LOT of money in attorney fees and court costs fighting trespass laws when a landowner has the means and the will to pursue you in court. NOT a trivial experience, I can assure you.
@@skippylippy547 just like you told the guy in another thread..why does someone have to do the research for you? It is illegal and if you need hard evidence you can find it yourself, as you stated above.
It is only illegal if you use the aircraft for hunting. This is the reason you can't hunt the same day you fly. However, just using the helicopter to drop you off isn't considered hunting.
@@HuntsT no. If you fly in with a fixed plane ( legal in Alaska) you still can't hunt that day. And choppers are still illegal in Alaska for hunting access. They are legal in most of montana and other western states tho.
In contemplating this “landlocked” issue we must ascertain the impetus that created the issue. We must understand the fundamental basic principle which created said issue. Can someone tell me where in the federal Constitution the central government is authorized to control land which rests within the geopolitical boundaries of a free, independent and sovereign State? Please quote the Article, Section and Clause because as a scholar of Constitutional/Charter government I cannot find that authority. You see if there is no authority delegated then it is a usurped authority stolen from the States. If you say it doesn’t matter now then I ask when will it matter? When will the people of the States exercise their authority and take back their rightful authority over these lands? Why must you ask permission from a central government to access land that rightfully belongs to the people of the separate States? Will you tell me the people of the States do not have the knowledge or the funds to manage these lands? If you say that, and you are pay taxes, unconstitutionally, to a central government why cannot you pay that tax to your State to manage these lands? Aren’t the surrounding landowners citizens of the separate States? Spent the States manage the wildlife populations of their respective geopolitical subdivision? It’s time for the people of the separate states to assert their authority over a central government who has stollen the rights of the free, independent and sovereign States! This may be a hard perspective to digest for some but it is the whole impetus of the issue and to deny it is to lie to yourself. This IS the issue and it is political. By the very document that asserts our inherent natural unalienable rights, the Declaration of Independence, we are all born politicians because we are solely responsible to protect and defend our individual inherent natural unalienable rights. It is time to put this central government back into its limited and defined box.
You are correct of course, but there is no public will to reign in the federal govt illegal ownership of public property. This issue needs to not cloud the landlocked access issue as they are not really related.
@@dbur971 wait! What? Not related? If the federal government created the problem of “landlocked lands” and public access is a direct result of that problem, how can they not be related?
Private land is private land. It must be respected. Because you cannot access public land does not make private land public. Ask for access, pay for access, work for access - but obtain permission. No big deal. Not practical to ask? Boo hoo.
Frank if this is the section of land I think it is there are 4 landowners all in line that work together that outfit the public land. You are talking about people who each own a couple hundred acres that are blocking access to thousands of acres of public land. It's been a fight for years over the road, old maps show that the road is public but the land owners claim its private and gate the road. The road ends at a trailhead directly accessing the public land.
yeah unfortunately our governments to worried about which pronouns to use for people instead of good wholesome issues like this. This way of life is dying and slowly becoming harder and harder. To many people who are anti hunting in top positions like here in WA and WDFW etc. Even for ranching, barely anyone if any is getting into ranching unless they have had the land given to them. Too expensive these days. The simple living and ways of living are all to wrapped up in politics and money now.
Can't get access to public land for Americans; But it sure was easy to get access anywhere they wanted for a Canadian company to build a oil pipeline through the whole country. It all comes down to money.
While elk hunting in the Big Horn mountains in Wyoming in the fall of 2020 I asked local landowners about accessing large tracts of landlocked BLM land I saw on onX. I specifically asked about helicoptering in. A couple ranchers told me that if they lease that BLM land they consider it private property and intimated that the helicopter would not make it out if they saw it landing. I don't know if this was bravado but it certainly made me reconsider. I think even if they don't lease the landlocked parcel they would still consider it trespassing.
Tough shit for them...leased for grazing is open for hunting. The ranchers have been given the privilege to profit from public land. And that's fine...just don't start thinking they own it.
Great and informative video. Thank you to Craig Morgan and other landowners who are willing to allow access and work with the public on this issue. To you fellow hunters out there. If turned down for permission. Be respectful. Be part of the solution. Not the problem.
Thank you for bringing this issue of landlocked public property in a way shows all sides of the situation. It is going to take open minds and open conversations to move from where we are currently at. Well done
nailed it
I find a lot of private land owners who boarder public land try to control or claim the public land is theirs.
Absolutely. It usually is ranchers who have issues. They have their cows on BLM land, and they always will try to tell you that it's private. Weather you're hunting, or fishing, or having a damn picnic, their excuse is always, "well you know I got cows out here" blah blah blah. On x is nice because I have been able to know exactly what's what. And I always tell anyone with issues, to contact the sheriff, and I carry on with what I was doing. It's infuriating when someone trys to run you off land that is public to say the least.
Outstanding! Great work Jason and team. Thanks Randy for chipping in. Thanks OnX. Thanks outstanding landowner(s). Such an important topic, and very well covered. No bias. We're all in this together.
Any landowner complaining about "corner crossing" is attempting to remain in sole control of that adjacent public land which is a much more egregious "wrong" than any claim to having their airspace momentarily encroached upon. The real reason why this is an issue is money (as with most things worth fighting over). Deer and elk are worth big dollars to ranchers and whether collecting guide fees or trespassing fees it boils down to money.
well said
100 percent always is America is a business not a democracy.
Then you go to Craig Colorado area and most of the land owners say NO to hunting their property or has an outrageous trespass fee per hunter. Then you also have the ranchers that have their own outfitting business on their own property which is all fine and dandy. But when they push their cattle or sheep to the top of the mountain 2 - 3 weeks before the elk season starts and let's them graze up there until 2 or 3 days before the season. They then push their herd down the mountain to their property which intern will push most of the elk and deer onto their property for their clients. These ranchers don't care about anything but money. They don't care about the hunter one bit. I do believe this BS is illegal but last I herd the state of Colorado is still doing nothing about it.
@@luckytrapper7656 Experienced the opposite this past week. National forest with cows all over it. Not sure why public land is being used as grazing land but it is hard to be stealthy when you keep causing stampedes.
@@Eric-dr5bj sorry to hear that. It sounds like it would be hilarious to watch but it really isn't.
Did you have any luck though?
Well done and kudos for looking at issues from the perspective of all user groups involved. Working and talking is how things get done. Hope more people watch, listen and engage.
this is an issue and super glad to see this approach and hope more take the initiative to get out and do things like this. The private lands that landlock public lands are pretty much claiming it for themselves, which isn't right.
Great video Jason, Randy, RMEF and the onX Hunt team!
This is awesome! Thanks for highlighting this issue. I live in Utah and one program we have here seems like a reasonable access solution, at least for hunting. It’s the CWMU program where private land owners can receive tax benefits for allowing a certain number of public hunters each year. The hunters don’t have to pay crazy access fees and the landowners can manage wildlife herds and get tax benefits. I’d love to see that program across the country! I know several other western states have something like it but Midwest and Eastern states should work on it too.
Thank you all for the hard work. I appreciate you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Unfortunately , no one thought about access to this land !
Even a 2 meter boundry along a fence line for access would have sorted this issue . Owner compensation for land lost must be taken into concideration but in the end ,
This is obtainable!
Good job Jason! Great video by everyone who took part and very informative on the subject. I can’t wait to see how things change in the coming years. For now I will enjoy and appreciate what we already have.
(My heart started pumping when that bull walked in!) 🏹
This video is absolutely pivotal! Could not have been published at a better time or deliver a more valuable message. Thank you thank you thank you for shedding light on a sensitive topic while very tastefully portraying both sides of the story! In the world we live in now, this video is one of the most real and necessary topics to surface unbiasedly to cultivate knowledge and appreciation. Again, thank you very much and well done!
We've got about 316,000 acres of landlocked public lands here in Washington state. We are trying to figure out what to do about that so these collaborations and projects highlighting the issues really help. Keep up the great work!
Particularly because we have a local state populace that is increasingly disconnected from, or hostile to, hunting and hunters. Getting permission on someone's land is like pulling teeth.
I'd really like to see this issue get more attention! Our public lands are one of the best things about our country tbh.
I'm dealing with this currently in Alabama.. 615 acres of public land inaccessible because of surrounded private land..
Excellent documentary! It's remarkable to see onX take charge talking about this issue that has fallen into your lap. Absolutely right this is not an issue of sportsman vs landowner which is often what we're made to think... Better said is "now is the time to DISCUSS these issues" - much credit to ya'll for a great film.
Would love to see Randy and Jason do a hunt together someday. Two of the best spoken when it comes to public lands. Hell why not bring Steve Rinella along as the camera man!?!
Steve has WAY too much to say to be a camera man!
Great job presenting the land locked problem.
Ranchers, farmers and other neighboring landowners of public lands will never open the gates of public access without charging large fees affordable only by out-of-staters. Another example of the widening between those who have and those of us that have not prompted by our own legislatures. These landowners will fight to the end to keep locked properties locked. PERIOD.
Awesome vid. Thanks CZcams for flagging it as “inappropriate content” so it won’t play on the big screen. And I though I was going crazy trying to find it when it pops right up on my phone .Your the best
I disagree. I think corner crossing is more of a constitutional right. Public property access should trump private property rights in this one instance
It is a very controversial subject which is why there is no precedent leaning either way.
This is interesting because I am from Mankato Minnesota and I am aware of two areas close to me that are land locked and I was confused. upset, and eventually angry in the least when I when I found them and spent so much time trying to access them.
Man it's so awesome to have people who can use their platform to promote the ethical side of hunting. Both to HUNTERS and non-hunters! It only takes a few jackasses to make us all look like bloodthirsty idiots! Having someone who represents those of who respect the Planet, believe in conservation, and want to be good stewards of our natural resources is invaluable. So, Jason and team, MUCH APPRECIATED!! Keep up the great work!!
yup
That "corner crossing" thing is ri-DIC-ulous! Should be able to solve that one in, like, 10 minutes. Surely we could get Congress or some court to pass a law to say something like "as long as a person remains within 10 feet of the corner boundary for less than 1 minute, and removes nothing from the property nor makes any impact upon it, he/she shall not be consider to have trespassed" for this one specific incident.
Absolutely insane that you can't access public land just because some jerk of a landowner doesn't want you swinging your leg over the corner of their property for 5 seconds!
Some of this concerns Outfitters that have paid a private land owner for access. That is a business plan; advantage outfitters. Most likely there will be Landowner/Outfitter collaboration.
This made my to watch! Thank you, I am so relieved to see those who poses the wherewithal, bring attention to things that many do not know directly effects them.
I hunt on a large chunk of land locked state land here in Wyoming. I access it through a private landowner. We help with cows, fencing, cutting wood for the winter, call before we head out to see if they need groceries from town since its an hour drive one way. We try and help out as much as we can to gain access. A landowner on the far end of the state land allows almost 50 out of state hunters into the public land at 1000$ a person. The Sea of Orange as we call it. The problem…..he does not regulate where they all drive their side by sides and wheelers at. There is one single “rancher trail” to drive on, park and head out on a trek for the day. These FOOLS don’t respect our public land in the area and chase deer all November long. Its quite the sight and our one game warden will do nothing about it. What im getting at is when we can access these lands we need to show the lands as much respect we can and help keep the greatness of them as long as we can!
Ranching is nothing more than a business. No difference than selling cars, running a gas station or sellng shoes at Walmart. I am really tired of the pedistal they are put on as far as "feeding the public" . It's simply a business and If they don't like it, then they could easily sell out and go get a job. There are tons of folks out there who would gladly trade their lifestyle for the ranchers. And FYI, I am a land owner/rancher in Wyoming. Not a big ranch, couple thousand acres and I have NEVER told a hunter or fisherman no. I, along with other land owners are only on this earth for a little while. Plus, it is the public who buys our cows or sheep or eats the crops we grow. Without the public there would not be those nice "trophy" ranches in existence.
Thank you for working so hard on this, knowledge is power. Our lands need our help as Stuarts of it. I am Proud to share and help further communications.
What a great production and a great education. Thank you.
What I didn’t see was him driving a side by side everywhere to hunt. I know when I archery hunt elk every year people drive everywhere roads or not. I would be very nervous as a landowner allowing anything besides walk in only.
That is usually what it covers when a landowner gives an easement. In Colorado there is a group of these properties called the walk-in atlas. Motor vehicle access is extremely limited it these areas.
This is great work showing people what we have to enjoy! Thank you !
Great production. Wasn’t aware of the amount of landlocked property.
Great production. Well presented. I can say I enjoyed the video. I understand the want to access these lands, and for good reason, but it brings to mind a few questions; what happens when all these lands are accessible? Where then is “sanctuary”? Look at Europe, there are very few pieces of dirt that haven’t been trampled. What happens when all our dirt has been trampled upon? What happens to those sanctuaries where the wildlife escapes the encroachment of man? I am an avid hunter but I have a deep respect for the land and the flora and fauna which inhabit those lands. I, for one, desire to preserve those sanctuaries where few men tread…even if I never experience those lands myself. I am not so selfish to say so. Yes, there are many lands I have experienced and there are many more I will never experience, and I am good with that. Just offering my perspective and a opinion different from the one presented. I think we must search ourselves and ask ourselves if we might be motivated by a bias that could have an impact on our posterity.
Unfortunately few people think like that these days but I totally agree. Social media, on x, and CZcams have made the world a lot smaller place.
Very well said,thank you for sharing!!
I can think of only one single solution to this issue flying personal vehicles.
That has already been invented. It is know as a helicopter 🚁
In the past I inquired about access to land locked Montana state lands via air to hunt. I was told it is illegal.
Air access is a grey area. Five feet in the air is still private such as stepping over corners. 500 feet is considered public such as helicopters. 100 feet is grey which is where drones fly.
Fantastic work Team.
never question private land rights.
Thank you Steve for liking this video
This is a awesome film. Bringing awareness to a major issue me being from the east coast always heading west for hunt nothing first hand the issues here hopefully we fix this so my kids have no issues
Randy well said.
I was under the impression that people had to have access to public land. If said land was landlocked then the private land owner has to allow an access point .
Outstanding video, full of information. Thank you.
After watching this with my wife I'm gonna have a hard time convincing her that a helicopter is an essential piece of hunting gear!
Probably cheaper to rent then buying a UTV
@@Eric-dr5bj Yeah but I've always wanted to own one. Of course one I could afford probably wouldn't be capable of flight.
Great video this issue is north of the boarder as well.. Canadian hunters are seeing it being a challenge .. not as often the checker board is seen but land lock public land is present..
Great Video. #PUBLICLANDHUNTER #PUBLICLANDOWNER
As a sportsman. Show up early and help the rancher. Fix fence. Branding. Shipping. Haying. Or help out with ever your skill u have. Open your doors. Let them come to your house as a vacation We as sportsman have alot to offer. There r alot of things we can offer to those private owners in return. Its all about relationships. Just saying. It works.
This isn't talking about hunting on the rancher's private property. If it was your comment is spot on. However, this is about access to public land which SHOULD NOT be controlled by private individuals.
Why should I do any of that to access PUBLIC land? Sure go do that stuff to hunt on private all you want, but the federal government needs to step in and make access to these lands.
Wow! Great video with great camera work. Beautiful scenes! Really enjoyed it.
👏 Great film about a real problem.
Great video. We all need to work together to open up these lands.
here it is!
Randy did this once but it was a much smaller piece of property, if I recall correctly.
Great film. I see a lot of this in Nevada so it hits home.
Great video, it pleased me to see someone make a video on this important topic about which I have strong opinions
"In the Pines" was an ... interesting song choice, though, being about a man murdering his lover and leaving her in the woods 😭
It’s time to use eminent domain to put roads to these tracks of land. It’s ridiculous this was ever allowed to happen.
Definitely easements, maybe paths, surly not roads
Absolutely awesome film. Good work!
Well made and great video! Keep up the good work.
While I do think public property should be accessed by the public, I also understand private property. I own private property. I bought property for my OWN enjoyment. In ohio there isn’t land locked property. Its a simple step for the state to buy the land for access. Keep pressure on the states, when they are tired but dealing with it they will make it happen.
Sure, but you'd have to make it a public domain thing. If there's a private rancher who knows that he controls access to a prime piece of elk-hunting land, he's not just going to let the state buy 20 sq. ft of land right at the corner to let people access it. You have to say "yeah, that's not right" and forcibly take it (and compensate him for the 20 sq ft, obviously).
Great video!
The state can claim eminent domain and put roads right through private property
I don't think they can, or it's a lengthy and costly process to gain that access so they(fish and wildlife departments) can't afford to pursue. Corner crossing won't work if the private land owners have contiguous borders, no adjacent corners to cross. Like another commenter mentioned IF a landowner is generous and allows an access road and small parking area then typically people will race in there to be first, leave litter, tear up ground, tear down a fence and drive inside private land because it's only a hundred feet further so why would they complain. The fault lies with the original land owner not ensuring easements were in place at time of sale, mainly because this issue(public land access) wasn't an issue at the time.
Just my opinion.
Shut down FS grazing. There's cattle all over our national forests. These ranchers double dip with outfitting and pay next to nothing for hundreds of acres of pristine National Forest. Get them off public land!!!!!
Gladly, just don’t cry when burger is 10.00/lb like it should be
Love this video randy
500 million people visit annually… Every single person in America plus 180 million people? That can’t be correct.
How about some restrictions on outfitters so private land owners aren't hoarding big game for large amounts of money.
That was great!
This is Bad Ass!!!! 💯
What we need is legislation to allow access to every inch of state and federal land.
I’m a 20 year military helicopter pilot getting ready to retire if someone wants to give me this job. Lol.
You got a private chopper?
@@HuntsT lol no I don’t have my own
This is what's hard for me to understand. When private landowners have parcels of land..."landlocked" by another landowner....they simply get an easement to access. Well.....public land is OUR land. It's mine....its yours. So why is it so hard to get the same easement??? What's the difference?
Isn't it true they only get an easement if the landowner wants to sell one tho?
@@montuckyman4982 no idea. 🤷♂️ but I would be curious to know how that works
Pole vault the corners. Problem solved.
You know... That's actually pretty genius
What state is this?
probably one of the 4 that has over a million landlocked acres.
The hunt took place in Montana.
So what Helicopter company is that? I’m up for a cost share ride.
A simple solution exists. Put a very large tax on any income a private landowner makes from selling exclusive access to public lands. It's our land after all, why should it become someones private reserve? If they don't allow general public access then let them pay for the profit they make off of it.
Buy up private land surrounding public land, have one big public area. Problem solved.
There should be a law that no public property be landlocked. We payed for it we should be entitled to us it
As a land surveyor in the west, I can tell you the 'corner hopping' theory is absolutely illegal. Surface rights extend upward until FAA is concerned. The public does not possess the knowledge to identify the true corner position or markers used to identify the corners. OnX maps does not identify the true corner positions and is only as accurate as the GIS mapping compounded by GPS errors. USGS Topo maps are more accurate as many of the corners have been field identified. Fences mean very little, only occupation. Most fences and fence corners are a best guess to boundary lines and are usually built as convenient to contain livestock. After watching this video, I suspect I will start seeing folding step ladders scattered across the forest where OnX thinks a boundary should be. Do not rely on your cell phone, you will lose.
They can’t try to own their land and the private land that’s insane!!!!!
I wanna help!!!!
Find a creek running into it an run a yak in across the private
Send me a shirt, I subscribe to the app!! Thx. God bless!!
The BLM no one is talking about is the Bureau of Land Management. Why does the federal government still possess and manage this land? I'm all for protecting national parks, but just take a look at the prime real estate they control.
Can someone tell me a company that will fly you in a chopper? After all this we still don’t get information about flying and how to do it?
@Justin - It's easy enough to figure this out on your own.
Why do you ask someone else to do the work for you?
I find that troubling.
Can you explain why you think someone else should do all your homework for you?
Also if they don’t want any questions asked about flying don’t make a fucking CZcams video about flying?? So hard to drop a company name or a number?
@@justintalley6227 I would Google search helicopter flight schools or general flight training in your area. For a cheap older helicopter ride near Salt Lake city it would have been about $150 an hour. That helicopter is way nicer though lol. And you have to pay for them to fly back to the airport. And then both ways to come get you
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It needs settled
You did pay to be there. The helicopter wasn't free.
if we do not step over the corners, we are losing our public property rights! the private land owners lose nothing accept the sole access to our lands that they are claiming as their own. STEP THE CORNERS RANDY! set an example.
and if you damage the fence stepping it you fix it.
The way they cross fences in these videos never ceases to amaze me. Who puts their weight on the barware like that 🤣
Three words.
Without Just Compensation
Take enough land for a gate. Pay the landowner just compensation
@Rob Grubb - This is a complex issue that requires some time and effort to understand. I suggest you study it a bit more to better understand all the issues this can have legally.
You'll need an attorney to understand the legal aspects under the laws of your state.
It can get very tricky.
People have had to spend a LOT of money in attorney fees and court costs fighting trespass laws when a landowner has the means and the will to pursue you in court. NOT a trivial experience, I can assure you.
@@skippylippy547
I should have mentioned the other 3 words; not
WITHOUT DUE PROCESS
I'm not sure using a helicopter for access to any hunting area is legal or ethical in most states? Certainly not in Alaska.
@@skippylippy547
No rotor aircraft in Alaska no way no how
@@skippylippy547 Read the regs, no choppers for hunting.
@@skippylippy547 just like you told the guy in another thread..why does someone have to do the research for you? It is illegal and if you need hard evidence you can find it yourself, as you stated above.
It is only illegal if you use the aircraft for hunting. This is the reason you can't hunt the same day you fly. However, just using the helicopter to drop you off isn't considered hunting.
@@HuntsT no. If you fly in with a fixed plane ( legal in Alaska) you still can't hunt that day. And choppers are still illegal in Alaska for hunting access. They are legal in most of montana and other western states tho.
Well ya if we all could afford a helicopter
It’s not expensive, you probably spend more on cheap beer, just a matter of priorities
In contemplating this “landlocked” issue we must ascertain the impetus that created the issue. We must understand the fundamental basic principle which created said issue. Can someone tell me where in the federal Constitution the central government is authorized to control land which rests within the geopolitical boundaries of a free, independent and sovereign State? Please quote the Article, Section and Clause because as a scholar of Constitutional/Charter government I cannot find that authority. You see if there is no authority delegated then it is a usurped authority stolen from the States. If you say it doesn’t matter now then I ask when will it matter? When will the people of the States exercise their authority and take back their rightful authority over these lands? Why must you ask permission from a central government to access land that rightfully belongs to the people of the separate States? Will you tell me the people of the States do not have the knowledge or the funds to manage these lands? If you say that, and you are pay taxes, unconstitutionally, to a central government why cannot you pay that tax to your State to manage these lands? Aren’t the surrounding landowners citizens of the separate States? Spent the States manage the wildlife populations of their respective geopolitical subdivision? It’s time for the people of the separate states to assert their authority over a central government who has stollen the rights of the free, independent and sovereign States! This may be a hard perspective to digest for some but it is the whole impetus of the issue and to deny it is to lie to yourself. This IS the issue and it is political. By the very document that asserts our inherent natural unalienable rights, the Declaration of Independence, we are all born politicians because we are solely responsible to protect and defend our individual inherent natural unalienable rights. It is time to put this central government back into its limited and defined box.
You are correct of course, but there is no public will to reign in the federal govt illegal ownership of public property. This issue needs to not cloud the landlocked access issue as they are not really related.
@@dbur971 wait! What? Not related? If the federal government created the problem of “landlocked lands” and public access is a direct result of that problem, how can they not be related?
For the sake of exposure, you guys should try to get MeatEater to upload this or at least make a post/full podcast about it!
Private land is private land. It must be respected. Because you cannot access public land does not make private land public. Ask for access, pay for access, work for access - but obtain permission. No big deal. Not practical to ask? Boo hoo.
Frank if this is the section of land I think it is there are 4 landowners all in line that work together that outfit the public land. You are talking about people who each own a couple hundred acres that are blocking access to thousands of acres of public land. It's been a fight for years over the road, old maps show that the road is public but the land owners claim its private and gate the road. The road ends at a trailhead directly accessing the public land.
yeah unfortunately our governments to worried about which pronouns to use for people instead of good wholesome issues like this. This way of life is dying and slowly becoming harder and harder. To many people who are anti hunting in top positions like here in WA and WDFW etc. Even for ranching, barely anyone if any is getting into ranching unless they have had the land given to them. Too expensive these days. The simple living and ways of living are all to wrapped up in politics and money now.
Can't get access to public land for Americans; But it sure was easy to get access anywhere they wanted for a Canadian company to build a oil pipeline through the whole country. It all comes down to money.
Land locked public land is bs
25 thumbs down from the landowners and their friends
While elk hunting in the Big Horn mountains in Wyoming in the fall of 2020 I asked local landowners about accessing large tracts of landlocked BLM land I saw on onX. I specifically asked about helicoptering in. A couple ranchers told me that if they lease that BLM land they consider it private property and intimated that the helicopter would not make it out if they saw it landing. I don't know if this was bravado but it certainly made me reconsider. I think even if they don't lease the landlocked parcel they would still consider it trespassing.
Tough shit for them...leased for grazing is open for hunting. The ranchers have been given the privilege to profit from public land. And that's fine...just don't start thinking they own it.
Wyoming has some really bizarre laws & in places, the rancher that leases it, can prevent hunting on it.
@@christlebeuckens7608 no we can’t if it’s legally accessed, a helicopter is legal access, there is nothing I can do about it