Apache Outlaws | Top 3 Stories of the Most DANGEROUS and WANTED Native Americans
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- The Apache were the final holdouts to life on reservation. But some were wanted by the U.S. Government for crimes, real or perceived. For this episode I investigate the lives of two famous Apache Outlaws, Massai and the Apache Kid. I tell the story of their adventures, escapes, and what happened to them.
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I am from “Hell’s 40 Acres”. A San Carlos Apache. Glad to hear some good history. Thanks for the knowledge and helping to spread awareness about this history. Forgotten history not taught anymore.
idk if you know who louis riel and what he did in canada but damn yall apaches fought hard against the gov
The federal government has never been anyone’s friend. There is a misconception that all white people relish in favor and support a federal government and that is entirely false. Our ancestors bought into a fairytale of free land that could be ours for a little bit of hard work and now we are all under the control of a wealthy few, as always.
Legacy kings what district you from? I'm from lower peridot just below bashas hahaha
@@doilooklikeicare337 I've been to the RCMP museum up in Regina and I remember a section dedicated to Rael's Rebellion. That and the mad trapper of rat river. Shout out from southern New Mexico
so was hells 40 acres the lower part of san carlos? because Ive hunted the upper San Carlos and there is nothing hellish about it...its the prettiest part of Az with the best Elk and Bear population anywhere which is probably why they charge 24 grand to hunt.
I'm Navajo, whenever I travel through San Carlos, Safford. I can always imagine Geronimo & his men emerge out on horseback on top of those hills,his spirit is still alive.
My wife's uncle had a relative that was among those that brought him in the last time , he said geronimo was a far better man than those hunting him , our families have many stories from those times. I read people that hunted the Apache kid said he was like going into a pitch black room hunting a rattle snake , God help you when you find him !
in canada my family is related to louis riel and we fought in battle with him supposedly since he married one of my great great aunties or something like that
Not to the Mexican families he was terrorizing, smashing babies on rocks ect ect
@@oldchineseman7290 i mean look what the government of canada and united states treated them of course something bad like that was gonna happen and look at the mess that was made out of the apache land
@@oldchineseman7290 now i aint saying it was right but they definitely weren’t completely in the wrong and you could even agree if since you seem to be versed in this era of knowledge
@@doilooklikeicare337 oh no I completely agree with you, the only innocents were the children and a few woman.
Lots of respect for the Apache people.
Southern Tonto Apache First Semi-band from the settlement of Bylas here, appreciate ya bud🙌🏾💯
Lots of respect for all
Till they catch you that is
I HONOR A APACHE NATION AND ALL THEIR DECENDENT
THANKS FOR THIS SERIOUS
NARRATIVE ISA BRAND NEW APACHE Museum Down CHIHUAHUA WAY
DONT RECALL THE NAME OF THAT RANCHERIA
@@12philipweston same thing to anyone that you catch in your home without your permission.
I spent the Summer of 1956 or a ranch north of Deming NM. Off to the east was Cooke's Peak and a surrounding wilderness area. The local scuttlebutt was there were still some renegade Apache Indians living off the land in that area. My relatives told me the National Forest Rangers knew the Indians were there but didn't mess with them. Live and let live.
I agree completely.
As a descendant of a real life wild west outlaw (who was in a gun battle with Pat Garrett once - both walked away untouched), I love hearing any of the history of this area you may wish to share. Sadly, I had little interest in my family's history until after all those that could tell it passed on. Now, in my 70's, I try to learn as much as possible. Thank you for the videos.
Thank you. I appreciate you watching. It is fascinating history.
I betya, PP.
idk if you know louis riel but hes a relative ive found out is in my family
@@datesanddeadguys
I'm a "BAD RESERVATION INDIAN" Because I'm still at war with the Nazis descendents of the MAYFLOWER
-COMANCHE NATION
Man you had the gem mine of story’s sad to hear it wasn’t that Interesting as a kid
More Apache stories!!! You are the best! I love your work. Keep em coming.
Love to hear it. I have at least two more on this topic I would like to work through.
@@datesanddeadguys
"Good Reservation Indians" ¿¿¿
Because they tracked and murdered other Indigenous for the Nazis?
You do realize whites are the Illegals right and Indigenous Nations were the First Marine Corp RIGHT???
I guess that makes me a "BAD RESERVATION INDIAN
-COMANCHE NATION
@Dates and Dead Guys my great grandfather was a scout for the U.S. army, if you would like some other stories on various Apache Tribes, specifically Tonto Apaches (Dilzhe é) if you're interested, let me know. I could email you
If not, I just wanted to say that as a Indé (Apache), I enjoyed these stories you're sharing with the world on your channel about Indé (Apache people) Ahi-yé (thank you)
I would like it very much to listen to a story about Lozen! She was the sister of Victorio and she was fighting with the warriors and she escaped with Geronimo!
She was aswell a great horsebreaker and she allegedly was able to locate the enemy with outstretched hands and singing a prayer! She is still very much honoured among the Apaches nowadays!
On the photo with Geronimo she is very likely the one behind him with a part of her hair in the face!
One thing that wasn't mentioned is that shortly after the escape of Kid and those with him while they were being transported the other apaches that were in the group shot and killed two ranch hands. Also a video on the Bronco Apache would be very interesting as very few people know about them, I recently learned about them and couldn't beleive that their resistance lasted into the mid 1930s.
Before the series on the Apache is done, there will be an episode on the Bronco Apache.
@@ApacheKidd if you search Bronco Apaches on CZcams there should be quite a few videos that pop up that will explain it, also they were given the name Bronco by the Mexicans, I forget the exact reasoning behind it.
I have not been able to track down the origin of the Bronco Apache Name. I have just seen repetitively that it is what the Mexicans called them. There was a raid in New Mexico in 1924. It is hard to find details on it but that was the last one in the United States. In Mexico in the early 1930s there was an extermination campaign led by a man named Francisco Fimbres. His family was killed by Broncos it was vengeful. Then in the late 1930s a man named Helge Ingstad completed an expedition in the Sierra Madre looking for them. He didn’t find any but there were some shenanigans with his guides that have led to suspicion. He wrote a book but it was only translated into English in the last 20 years or so. Finally, Jason Betinez (I’m not confident I spelled that right), a former Apache raider, made claims that there were Apache in those mountains until the 1950s. It looks like low birth rates and raids led to Apache men especially dying at a rate faster than they could be replaced and that into the 1930s following Fimbres whoever was left were likely women. My research isn’t done but that is what I have been collecting information on.
Geronimo wasnt captured in 1886...he rode into Miles camp and surrendered....Geronimo was captured once in 1876 by John Clum at Tularosa...he surrendered 3 times in Mexico twice to Crook once to Miles for the last time...Gatewood talked he and Naiche into the last surrender aftef 2 days of negotiations....he was by far the most famous...
Tell it; native brother!
Thank you for pointing this out! It's important to get these stories right so that they are passed on appropriately.
I've noticed a couple of technicalities. Like the Mescal mountains and sierra Blanca being separate. I'm from Tularosa/Alamogordo, so it's nice to see the names, but it's best when everything discussed is correct.
@@skindianu So was Geronimo captured by Clum at Tularosa or at Ojo Caliente?...I know it was at a Fort ...then he was transported back to San Carlos? where after Clums resignation he was freed by the new agent in a good will gesture?...I am not familiar with Tularosa at all...
@@curtismes Tularosa was a town during those times and still is. I'm from there, but I've never heard that Geronimo went there to do anything, even though the Mescalero agency is only about 15 to 20 miles away. Billy the Kid had his leg irons cut off of him after escaping the Lincoln county jail by a blacksmith there in Tularosa. I won't lie and say I know anything for or against Geronimo being captured by anybody. I always thought the only time he was ever under arrest was if he turned himself in.
I'm always happy to hear bout my cousins I've heard many stories from my medicine man very proud of my Native history thank you
My grandmother on my father's side said that Apache Kid would come and visit the family after the escape and our people would hide him from other "people" she lived to over 100 years old.
Quickly becoming one of my fave channels! Pls don’t be reluctant at all! Share all the stories! I NEEED MOREE!!
Love any Native American content you have done!
Thank you! Groups like the Apache are so interesting to learn about.
Always love hearing about americans not so bothered about the settlers and off spring which is what america is mainly occupied by now
What about the part he called the Apaches outlaws when they were fighting for their life from them stealing their land and murdering their people with disease and putting them on dirty lifeless land like a big prison is that the story you want to hear
Imagine someone stealing your land and calling you an outlaw for fighting back.
Sounds like my siblings
That’s what the dutch government is now doing to the farmers. They give the farmers money for their land and if they don’t want to sell it the government will seize it… when farmers protest they are shut down by police..
Imagine stealing land from stolen land
@@BlakeElliott 🤡🤡🤡
Natives were killing each other and taking each other’s land before anyone else came to America
Apaches certainly had some hard bark on them, so tough and resilient. Looking forward to more stories told by a talented orator 👍
Appreciate it, friend. Always love to see your name in the comments.
@@datesanddeadguys do more stories Dick Smith
Southern Tonto Apache First Semi-band from the settlement of Bylas here, right there with ya💯♥️
@@datesanddeadguys
Too bad these stories are not told by Real Indigenous People.
That's because we are "BAD RESERVATION INDIANS"
-COMANCHE NATION
@@thechiefwildhorse4651 CZcams's CZcams. I don't see any native American content creators who can reach out to the youth.
Don't play victim.
keep these stories coming. I read them all back in the 1990's as a kid and they bring back a flood of memories. thanks
That’s awesome. Thanks for the support.
Fascinating and straightforward account ofthese Apaches. I would definitely enjoy more similar accounts of the bronco Apaches (who maybe are the “lost Apaches” who hid in the Sierra Madre mountains in Chihuahua ?).
$5000? jeez that's like $150,000 today. Very good video. Informative, entertaining, all that stuff. Keep it up!
It’s a lot of money. Thank you!
I think it's much more than that
@richardruss30 it's about 150,000-175,000 worth
$150k in todays money, but you could build multiple houses for $5k back then.
@elijahjakobsen7898 price of labor was lower, material were lower, and taxes were lower.
I'm apache and I love hearing other people get so interested
Also white mountain apache tribe is the tribe I'm from
Do you know something about Lozen?
I grew up with those guys. Good people.
Excellent presentation. You are a gifted story teller. Thanks for bringing history back to life. Subscribed.
Thank you for narrating this little known history. Bringing peace to Apache country as the Europeans flooded into the area was a long struggle and a lot of bloodshed. Most of us have heard of Geronimo, Cochise who have been in Western Movies. But your short histories of the Apaches and other Indians show us a much more complicated history until that area was finally settled with law and order.
What you call law and order was murdered thieft and genocide the Christian way
More tales of the Bronco Apache would be greatly appreciated!
That’s the plan!
are you familiar with Mickey Free ?
Yes. I’m working on an episode now about Apache captures. It will feature Mickey Free, Charlie McComas, and Herman Lehmann.
@@datesanddeadguys
Calling Indigenous People "Indians" is the same as the Nword to Indigenous People.
We are "INDIGENOUS" OR "FIRST NATIONS" OR "FIRST PEOPLE".
Any other references are considered hate speech.
Thank you.
-COMANCHE NATION
@@thechiefwildhorse4651 I always called you guys "natives" because you're the only ones "native" to America. I hope that isn't considered offensive. Nobody seemed bothered when I said it.
Me and my buddies are obsessed with your videos! Please keep up the great work
Awesome. Great to hear people like them.
Great video on the Apache Kid and other Apache Outlaws.
Would like to see more about the Bronco Apaches.
Thanks again for your time and effort.
I appreciate it, bud. Thanks again for watching!
Outlaws 🤣🤣🤣 Those were Ppl fighting for their Lands. The Outlaws were the Political leaders who used Greed and whose names now are called Counties
Wow, amazing video! Love learning about history, definitely got a new subscriber!
Keep this series going!😆🤘🏽
Love to hear more stories about the Apache they fascinate me and thank you for the stories of The outlaw Apache
Absolutely wonderful, my friend.
I admire your knowledge on the subject, and your passion in speaking of it.
Since I was a little boy, here in Belfast, and saw my first Apache on the " silver screen", I have admired their courage and pluck, when the world was against them.
Geronimo is still a hero of mine.
Good luck with future projects.
I wish you and your family, rainbows.
Geronimo would unalive Irish children,rob them of their clothes and enslave the very little. There were two Irish toddlers he took and used , they only spoke Apache when found.
@@lapislazulii141 Just like us whites did too.
And just what the Catholic church has been doing for centuries., so your points are invalid.
Great stories we need to hear more about the Apache
At least two more are coming down the line. Thank you.
Randomly found your channel, I'm a fan, I subscribed, keep up the good work!
This is awesome, glad seeing your channel grow and love learning along with you. Keep it up bro 🤙🏾
Thanks man. I love your channel.
Very well told. Love hearing well researched western history of that period!
I appreciate the praise. I’m trying to put together good stuff.
Heros not outlaws
Great story! Thank you. Nice style of telling, as well!
I'm new to the channel and love it, I plan to binge watch everything on the weekend, good stuff!
Good storyteller! Keep them coming!
Great video,thank you for sharing additional content considering Apaches,I feel a bit sad Mangas Coloradas wasn't mentioned,but still great and educational video!
Keep up your work!
Best regards from Serbia
From Serbia. Mangas Coloradas is really fun. I hope in the future, I can work him in.
Thank you for your videos and telling these accounts..they should never be forgotten.
Bring it on! I enjoy your channel. I was born in Texas, grew-up in New Mexico and romped all-over the Four Corners area. I tried to absorb all the info I could about the history
of that region. Never could get enough.
I remember seeing a usgs topo of the San Mateo mountains in New Mexico with the grave of the Apache Kid marked on the map. Looking on the internet,
This was a favorite area for outlaws to hole up in when they needed to take a break and get some rest without being disturbed by the outside world. This is the area where a group of local ranchers finally hunted the Apache Kid down and killed him (that's how these 44,626 acres of wilderness got the name).
Great video and delivery, I might add.
Love your vids! Subscribed
Thank you!
Very fascinating and well told. I'll look for future accounts. Thanks for sharing.
Yes, I definitely want to hear more stories. Keep going.
Great video, i would love to hear more on the last bronco apache, i'm familiar with a few of the stories, theyre fascinating!
That is the plan. Thanks for watching!
Loved the content, thanks for telling their Story's, always love the Native American Indians, thanks for respecting memories 🗣️💯
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London loves it 🤩😍🇬🇧🙏
Love hearing from people around the world. Thanks for watching! I’m happy people from everywhere can enjoy it.
Please keep the videos coming. Great narrating work.
Yes, further the series with more stories. Thanks & Subbed.
Thank you so much, I really enjoyed your video, I found a picture of a beautiful Apache girl called Mattie Tom in a book about the wild west a few years ago and I'm afraid she has captured my heart, I can find only one or two photos of her but I would dearly love to find out something of her life. The picture was taken in 1899 so hopefully she lived well in to the 20th century. Many thanks again and best wishes. Gérard lacey in Ireland.
Great. Narrator. From those warriors of the Apache nation
Thank you for learning and sharing. I will watch more of your videos.
Well Done! thank you and would really appreciate any more stories you have..
I have at least two more planned. Hopefully I won’t take too long to get them out.
Yes. More. Thank you
Another great video. I am really enjoying your videos. And your sense of humor is spot on!
Love your channel, The Apache episodes have reminded me of an old family story of a close call with the Apaches while living in the hills above modern day Eagar Arizona. Our line was nearly wiped out!
Enjoy your stories. Have lived in France now over 40 years and have family in Wyoming and Montana. We were raised in California but our father was just one Silicon Valley, ex Navy, Western History Lover, so your stories kind of bring him back...cheers...rr Normandy, France
Thank you , I grew up listing to stories just like this from my father he was born in mobile Alabama in 1945, so he had great stories. we traveled a lot around the usa, as my parents loved to travel. ive been to custards last stand the little big horn, the OK coral , tombstone dead wood, ect this was a great trip down memory lane for me, thank you again,,,,,o and dude I really enjoyed the fact you looked at the Indians side, maybe you could do one, on the army trying to stop the simional ( I know i misspelled that,sry )Indians down in the everglades. there was some cool stories about that group.
Absolutely. These things take me forever. I have a day job and research is a bear. But there are fascinating stories from all over the country. The Wars with the Seminals from the early 1800s don’t get talked about much so I have lots of reading to do. But it also gives me an excuse to talk about Andrew Jackson so at some point I’ll get to it.
This is a great video man
Love Apache stories and it’s nice to hear of other ones that aren’t just about Geronimo .Nothing against Geronimo he’s cool too.
Yes do more please
At least two more on the Apache are coming down the line. Hopefully both done not to far into March.
Thank you for this post. Interesting stories and your cadence was spot on.
talk about the plains apache / hunting and tracking style please 🙏🏽
Damn, that would be a fun one. I have some notes on that I haven’t been able to fit in anywhere.
Hey there fella. Even though i live Downunder, New Zealand to be precise, for some reason i am and always have been drawn to the goings on in the American west, the word west might not be exactly right because it wasnt always in the west. I think it prolly because when i was a kid the overwhelming favourite on TV and at the movies were Cowboy and Indian themed, which the whole world loved to watch as it happens, even the Asian nations liked The Duke and the entire cowboys and indians gig. I have subbed to your channel, with Noti's of course and look forward to the rest of the series if a series is its correct term.
From New Zealand. That’s awesome. Thanks for watching. The west is fascinating. I hope I don’t take too long getting the next ones out.
@@datesanddeadguys Good things in life take time, haste makes waste, et al. Ima quite happy to wait esp given the quality of what ive seen already. I know there is a ton of subjects from the era, hopefully the paperwork exists to this day about who ever the chat may suggest to you for the subject. So stoked i discovered your channel friend. Sir, can we have a name for you please, its easier to address 'somebody' as opposed to an 'entity.' Cheers.
Oh yeah, there are always limits based on the research I can get a hold of. But I dig pretty well. My name isn’t a secret. it’s Miles. Thanks for watching and patience.
Keep it coming buddy, I'm loving it.
Such an excellent channel 👏 👏👏 Keep up your great work 👍
My family ran with the chiricahua and with the Mescalero apache too.
yup! subscribed. love old west history. Apache, as well as other tribes, and soldiers, gun fighters, outlaws. this was really interesting. lookig forward to more. thank you.
Thanks for watching! Happy you enjoyed it.
The animations are good i can see you animating the whole stories in the future 💯
Outstanding. Please more on the Bronco. I've heard of a blonde headed ,blonde bearded man riding with them near the early 1900's interesting
Yes. I’ve read about that too. There is a lot of speculation that the blonde bearded man riding with them was Charlie McComas. Charlie was a boy that was kidnapped as a child. I think when he was six. There are several Apache that say an Indian named speedy kicked Charlie with a rock. But he was never found which lead people to think the bearded rider was him.
@@datesanddeadguys the story of the McComas killings was pretty brutal.
My fav channel hands down.
Enjoyed this video … I am hooked 👍
God bless te he Apache nation.
Hell yes
First video of yours I've seen. Diggin' it 🤘🤓
Great story. Very interested in hearing more. Thank you.
I am Apache from San Carlos. I am a direct descendant of the Apache Kid. The last time anyone from San Carlos saw him was in the 1930s. The story was in the local community newspaper in the 1980s. Interviews had been done with tribal elders who recalled the Apache Kid. His nemesis was Al Sieber who referred to Apaches with the racial slur of the N word but prefixed with red. I have five masters degrees that are mostly in engineering. I am currently working on a PhD in data science and artificial intelligence. On my mom’s side I am related to Chief Alchesay who was a prominent scout for General Crook. He was so impressed with Apache scouts that he wanted them to have the right to vote. Crook was far ahead of his time with that mindset. The Apache Kid hid out in the Sierra Madres.
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Enjoyed the content. Look forward to more stories on Bronco Apaches. Also would like to see a story about John Slaughter. Just joined.
I appreciate it. I’m writing one on Bronco Apache now. Hopefully won’t take too long.
Insta sub, loving the way you explain stuff mate
It would be better to stop calling them renegades since they were people whose families had been murdered , separated and their culture destroyed , they fought to the end as hard as they could and family ties get all messed up when you become captives in the enemy camp as the reservation apaches did . I lived in the remote mountain village near Geronimo's family a few years back and as the stars sparkled in the black night sky in a deep tiny canyon , a relative showed us the trail along a creek where Geronimo finally got capture d, we felt like we were the most privileged people in the world to be standing there hearing the true story and seeing the faint glow of a light in an old adobe house down in the canyon , Geronimo's uncle's house , where he was finally caught , completely done in and collapsing from fatigue after days of running . I loved his relatives , they were so good and talented , artistic and spiritual and the fact that they invited a white person to their ceremony made me feel more blessed than I can ever say . I wish they had a youtube channel to tell the real stories from their side of the history ..
Life is hard, war is hell and your enemies aren't going to treat you like a friend.
The Caucasians were the real outlaws
Waah waah
Yes these stories are very interesting. Keep ‘em coming!
YES! more Apache stories please 😀
Massai has some grate hair daum
It’s a bold look.
I would love to hear them! I just found this channel a few hours ago I have already subscribed and been listening to and watching the videos and I love these stories!!!!
Great video. Thank you!
Those "Americans" are really Europeans.
Generation doesn't dismiss where your people originate.
You try to say "Americans" as if it gives you the right to call Mexicans "Aliens" on this land.
I like all of these stories. I like your research & all that you do.
I just think it is in bad taste to call the U.S. America.
Mexicans ARE AMERICAN!
WE LIVE ON THE SAME EXACT CONTINENT!
This continent is called North America.
This continent is where MEXICANS are from.
Call it what you like.
… but know this…
Mexicans ARE NOT THE ALIENS HERE!
Don't call them a name that you don't like for yourself when… ironically… it describes YOU!
Yeah, my family never crossed a border, but one crossed them.
Yeh, I wanna hear 'em.
You do great work. Well researched, balanced. Thanks.
I love this channel. Keep the stories coming.
First time viewer. Great content. Will subscribe
Hell yeah I’m from San Carlos, thanks for the history lesson. I’m glad I found your channel very interesting and informative.
I just found this channel and I am loving the stories about the indigenous people from the America's this is a great channel I definitely subscribed to it
Just found your channel. Great stuff. I love the Native American topics.
A+ Loved this! Very informative.
My lineage is Yuma Tribe, with photographs of my ancestorial relatives at The Terratorial Prison Museum. I only subscribe to a couple of Channels and let the Y T Algorithm dole out suggested content. I have found your historical stories about the South West so enlightening that I have Subscribed in hopes of continuing with your historical education.
Yes we definitely want to see more of the Apache
Always wanting to hear more you’re a great narrator
I'd love to hear more. Thanks for the good work.
Awesome story; I would love to hear more about the Bronco Apache as I’ve never heard of them before.
That video is probably a month away but it’s coming.
Hypnotic storey telling+- way beyond BRILLIANT. The words flow like a Sierra stream in a high meadow