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F1 2016: The short lived new Qualifying format
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- čas přidán 24. 03. 2016
- Confused? How does it work? What do people think of it? This video has got you covered!
(2021 UPDATE: So apprently youtube's algorithim blew this up out of nowhere. For those who don't get it, THIS IS A TROLL/ENTERTAINMENT EDIT, NOT AN INFORMATIVE EXPLANATORY VIDEO. As if the smiley emoticon and PENISton Oils logo isn't enough of an indicator)
Yeah I mean Peniston Oils are good, but what about Larsen biscuits?
Ah yes cultured people
I actually tought they just made that up for a penis joke lol
Well at least it isn't Saxondale
@@balyzs they did!
@@balyzs its from Top Gear (the Jeremy Clarkson era)
"mom can we have reverse grid?"
"No we have reverse grid at home"
The reverse grid at home:
Reverse grid is complete bullshit dude
😂😂
@@mikabaumgartner5462 it would for sure make the races more interesting...
Toto wolff's comment on the qualifying session killed XD
The only time he was absolutely right
What did he say?
When RedBull was slower than Toro Rosso 😅
Yes and then Max came to red Bull best Thing ever for them
@@nielskiekebosch 18 years old and qualifying 5th. Nice job.
Monza 2008
@@atrpritchard4541 Monza 2008, Germany 2019, Brazil 2019, Monza 2020...all pretty good :D especially the first and last ones I listed xD
@@facesoffearbrewing1229 he was 18 here
Toto's tiny bit of a smile cracking through after his comment had me rolling on the floor laughing 👍
Holy shit, I didn't even know that this qualifying method was a thing and I'm so glad that they changed it back to how we know it today. This must've been so confusing for the teams and the drivers, let alone the fans as they didn't know why there were hardly any cars on track
Well it was the teams, drivers, fans, and myself who didn’t understand what was going on. Mind explaining?
@@gibgooner3 I dont understand either
I don't understand this format can anyone explain? didn't see much of a change
The cars all go out and every 90 seconds the slowest driver gets eliminated. In Bernie's mind this meant that all the cars would be on track the whole session doing fast lap after fast lap. In reality, and as predicted by everybody, everyone went out at the same time with low fuel to do an actual fast lap, then everyone went back into the pits to refuel, change tyres etc, by which point the clock will have ticked down so that the part of the session would be over, so most of the session had no cars on track at all. Ferrari at the end could arguably have done something different if they really rushed, but they probably wouldn't have found half a second in such circumstances anyway. This lasted 2 races before Bernie caved in and applauded himself for experimentation. The current qualifying system was in place for a number of years before this. Having said all this, it is actually better than the two shot qualifying of a few years earlier where everyone went one at a time twice and the whole thing lasted longer than the race. That lasted for almost half a season and the second session stopped being televised as people got bored.
@@nhailstone lmaoooo every 90 seconds!
3:11 : Best Brundle's "Wat"
Classic case of "If it ain't broke, Don't fix it"
3:52 hamilton drops his watch
bono my watch is gone
Bono i lost my watch
It's bwoken. IT'S BWOKEN!
Love it from Toto; “We shouldn’t say anything bad on TV, but it was rubbish.” 😂
collosal fuckup
U know it’s bad then atleast 😂
it was so bad they thought "lets do a second time just to make sure its really really bad"
I think that's fair. It was boring because of for the teams managed it (mostly sitting in the pits). They might have decided that it was better for them to race harder to avoid eliminating, but the 2nd attempt proved that to be wrong
@@Septimus_ii the issue is
Once the 90 seconds finished you were out you couldn't finish your lap
So there was no point in going out because there wouldn't have been the time
@@dylancotton2061 Well I think you let teams experiment the first time, and now that they understand how it works and prepared better, see if it happens again.
The youtube algorithm be recommending this to us nearly 5 years later
Same
I'm looking back at this in 2019 and I knew this was the worst fricking qualifying method ever
I'm here after witnessing Italy 2019 Q3
@@FPV-wi8fw same here. Today was a shambles, and something needs to change
Oof it was hectic
I have no idea what the hell is happening
I really want one shot qualifying
the one bloody qualifying i go to in real life
Really? That sucks dude.
Oof
3:12 Brundle's "What?!" must be the best moment of that qualifying
Remember, the people that came up with this are the people in charge. 😅
They probably thought in their head that it was amazing but realised it werent when it took place
@@Bagekeas bernie thought it would make it so that there were cars constantly on track but instead every car just went out at once together then spent most of the session in the pits. Took him 2 races to go back to the format we have today.
Actually, not any more. F1 has changed owners and the top hierarchy since these days, and pledged to get rid of the era of random changes in F1. So far, the new top brass (Liberty, Chase Carey, Ross Brawn, etc.) are doing a much better job.
One of those ideas that looked great on paper but just didn’t work
I am confused as how is it different from this year's quali
@@mokyaffe drivers getting eliminated one at a time until the session finishes in this one. Normally they go out in blocks once the session is over
Just like socialism
@@marcosbremermann870 well it actually works in countries like Belgium, Norway and Germany lol
@@mokyaffe I'm tired of seeing people repeating the lie that the best European countries are "socialists". Yes, they have a state that provides free healthcare and stuff. And? Free healthcare isn't entirely a Socialist concept. Countries like Uruguay have Free Healthcare since 1910 and aren't socialists (as an example).
And by the way, the reason why all those countries are so successful are ironically the economic liberty and the lack of taxes they impose on their citizens. They unironically are more capitalists than countries like the US. And by far, more successful.
18 year old verstappen qualifying p5 in a toro rosso... what a guy
I really liked the idea of the elimination graphic going up to 2nd lol
Who's here after they just announced sprint qualifying in 2021?
Another bullshit
This video did not tell anything about how this worked ( or frankly not worked ). What is that pit timer for? Were they allowed to go on the track only one-by-one?
Terrible edit to be honest.
More of just guys saying how bad it was. If you were looking for why it was bad, frankly, so was i, this isnt the video.
I forgot the exact numbers so please forgive me about that. What the idea was is to put pressure on drivers who haven't set a good enough time. After few minutes in every part of the qualifying the slowest driver will get 90 seconds timer next to his name. If he didn't improve his time inside those 90 seconds he's out. And then next one. And then next one until that qualifying session is over. Then we still have Q2 and Q3.
The problem was, lap times are not that close. So if you knew you won't be able to improve (or that one behind won't be able to better you) then you just sat in the pits waiting for your 90 seconds to run out. And then we got Q3 when pole is decided where in Australia track was completely empty for last 3-4 minutes because no one had a realistic chance to post better time/win pole and they rather decided to save tires and PU.
@@92Cuky_ Oh Hey, a recent comment! I've understood how the format works but do you mind telling me why the default quali setup works better?
@@thisdanguy Well in my opinion it is enough to look at any qualifying session even from last year. There is running on the track for the whole duration of the session and drivers and teams are not afraid to experiment with different tire choices if they think it can give them an advantage. More often then not pole is decided 1-2 minutes (depending on lap length) after the time has already ran out because drivers are still trying to get their final lap in.
I down voted the video for that reason exactly. It came up on my feed but the editing was crap and without the replies to your comment, I still wouldn't know anything about that qualifying style. I clicked on the video wondering if they tried one-shot qualifying like in the game.
You lied to us in the description: you didn't even bother to explain to us how the format worked
every 60 seconds slowest driver gets knocked out and locked in his position... idea was they fight hard on track not to be last but in reality they just do their lap and wait in pits for countdown to finish. no excitement, very predictive and rubbish...
@@CrLe100 thanks for the explanation, this should be in the video
@@CrLe100 it always sounds so much better in theory. Maybe if the cars were closer like in 2012 this could have worked, but not now when the field spread is the size of Russia
@@noahd.4551 this system would’ve worked in the early 00s with low tyre wear and high fuel loads in quali and cars doing hot lap and hot lap
This all applied until the next race in Bahrain where they were invalidating laps of those whom went wide at the last corner.
Lewis with no prior laps set in Q1 goes wide and PURPLE in the last sector...gets through with no deleted lap.
I'm not hating, the guy's incredibly fast and I'll be the first to say he should've been knighted long ago for his achievements within the sport (especially when people have been knighted for lesser achievements in their respective fields), however this irked me when it happened and will continue to do so.
Imagine paying like 500 $ for an F1 weekend and coming in on Saturday to have the drivers on the weighing scales with 3,5 minutes left on the clock.
1:14 Excel like a pro
I love the fact that you even took the time to change the description for the 2021 viewers
I remember them bringing in Q1,Q2,Q3 and the sessions were too long so drivers would wait around for the best time to go out, so they tweaked the session times reducing them to increase track action. I don't really remember this experiment, but reading about it I'm glad they got rid of it. Pretty dumb.
It was only for one race, that’s why. I don’t know why there’s such a need to mess with things that aren’t broken in F1. I remember when they messed with quali in 2005 where the grid was determined on an aggregate of two laps, one lap on a quali setup and one lap on a race setup.
And it just didn’t work because if a rainstorm hit midway through the session after 10 drivers had done their laps for the day, the other 10 drivers’ sessions were absolutely ruined and they’d be nowhere on race day.
i remember watching this, what a mess that was even i was cringing back at home😂😂😂
It might had worked out if all times would be cancelled after each elimination.
Thats a good idea! Sure the pole position will be happy to set atleast 19 qualifying laps in less than an hour...
It would be good if it was one continuous session. So over 1.5 hours cars get eliminated every 7.5 minutes. The main problem is number of tyres.
@@dannywhite132 That's also as long as the race, no one wants to watch that. Especially cause people like Hamilton will do one lap and wait 1.4 hours till he goes out again, if he even needs to.
Well no it wouldn't. There would always be traffic, no cooldown time to change tyres, if they even have enough tyres. Just unnecessary
@@MrTVx99 if all the times get cancelled after each worst time is locked and the respective driver eliminated, then Hamilton and the rest would have to be always going back out they couldnt wait 1.4 hours or they would be eliminated
This qualifying format seems like it would probably work in a spec series like Indycar or F2 or something.
I mean if some cars weren’t too slow or too fast than others maybe it wouldn’t be that bad
I love seeing all the drivers out of their cars with almost 4 minutes left on the clock 😂😂
The qualifying format was a joke and doomed to fail before it even started. I don't understand how someone, except Bernie, thought it was a good idea.
I think arguably his "best" idea was the water sprinkler one.
At least that wouldn't have been boring to watch.
Oh shit off. F1 was way better off with Bernie than with Americans.
@@MacGovernor you’re a clown.
Getting the same feeling watching this right before 'Sprint Qualifying' in Silverstone '21.
Now it makes sense. Thanks for the video!
so this is basically a battle royale for grid position?
Yes, but it sucks because the faster cars can just drive one quick lap and wait 10 minutes before they have to drive another, and the slower cars have to go out and waste their tyres every damn chance they get.
@@Vlozh I'm stupid so I can't understand how is it different from qualo now?
@@mokyaffe Nowadays *everyone* has a 20 minute chance to qualify for Q2. But in this format, every 90 seconds the bottom one got eliminated so some drivers only had a few minutes to qualify for Q2 while the guys in the fastest cars, easily had 10 minutes to put a reasonable lap time on the board.
Drivers out back undressing out of their race suits while there's still time on the clock... That says it all.
The fact they didn't get rid of it immediately for the next race blew my mind! It was so obvious it was a terrible idea that was never going to work no matter what track you were at.
sainz and verstapen first f1 race and they was on q3 , amazing drives
Can’t believe I’ve not seen anyone mention ‘Penistone Oils Live’ in the top corner hahaha. Love the top gear reference!
So glad this type of qualifying didn't last and we reverted back to what we have now. Mind you my Dad wants to go back to the qualifying we used to have when it would start and we didn't get a car on track for at least 45 minutes. People pay to watch the drivers qualifying not an empty track for almost the entire hour
I remember thinking at the start of Q1 when everyone was coming out and under pressure "This could get really interesting", then the last few minutes arrived if Q1 and nothing, then I realized it was awful. Define wasn't as smart back then
I like how this is funnier than F1 videos/memes today
This format would have worked in the era where the cars and tyres permitted drivers to go out and do hotlap after hotlap, like in the old V10 days, but with marshmallow tyres and power units that need charging after one lap it just flopped spectacularly
This has aged like fine wine
Over 4 years ago.. Time flies.
Well it mixed up the grid
You're joking right?
It surely did. :) Especially the crew. I remember having commented very negatively about that change.
Mercedes 1-2 Ferrari 3-4 yes yes very mixed up
By mixed up you mean confused right? 😂
Mercs still 1-2
This is definition of “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it”
In fact this system isn't that bad, the main problem was: Drivers don't have enough set of tyres for this format. The ideas is pretty cool, but the big performances deltas and the amount of set of soft tyres allowed make this system not good for F1. But it can be very interesting for the feeder series like F2 or F3
And they go and do it again in 2021!
Edit: Back after Silverstone, very good actually! I was incredibly sceptical but the sprint qualifying was really entertaining
Silverstone definitely not the same thing, I was there
As Martin. B was sort of saying between the lines if there was a rule in f1 that needed changing LESS then any others then the qualifying system was up there with each Grand Prix has a host country/ flag and each round has a race ……the 1 hour 3 Q knockout system is perfect and whoever came up with it was a genius as it has more action over the hour then the early 90s 1 hour qualifying and that’s even with time for two 3 minute tv advertisements breaks between q1 and q2 and between q2 and q3 the only thing that might need changing is the monza qualifying which might have to become more like oval indycar style one after the other time trials if we keep having years like 2019 with everyone trying to draft each other without racing!
I don't know why we can't just have one shot qualifying, in reverse championship order
christ. its so much better now
I was half expecting Toto to say "The what?"
The thing is when this was announced, there was a lot of hype around it. Then the team strategists got ahold of it and... this happened.
It's not the strategists fault though.
I remember the start was quite intense cuz cars had to drive constantly, was probably not the best idea but it was actually quite fun if people remember in Q1. The end was obviously and Q3 as a whole just bad.
Pretty sure it's just the bottom driver has 60 seconds to set a quicker lap and each time that red block hits 0 the slowest on track is eliminated.
I didn’t mind this. I just think it needed some refining and some getting used to
Who else is here from the announcement of 2021 sprint quali?
saw a tiktok about this and wanted to find out more thank you! :)
I only started watching F1 in 2017. So can someone explain to me what on earth is going on? How long did this last?what was the FIA’s “reasoning” for this?
The slowest driver gets eliminated every 90 seconds in every session. So it's a consecutive elimination which was supposed to make it more "exciting", but it just results in everyone doing 1 run (in Q2 and Q3) except the fastest drivers because there's no time for the slower cars to set a lap time, return to the pits, fit new tyres, and then set a faster laptime.
İn here i see the future of sprint qualifying
FIA be like:
Yo dawg I heard you like to eliminate while you eliminate. So I eliminate you in qualify so that you can qualify while you qualify.
Forgot this even happened
Bernie knew the battle royale mode will be popular lol
I remember this every team hated it and it was highly disappointing qualifying session
Guys it's a troll just check the description
toto straight to the point
This had some potential, I would have wished they tried it one more race...but it's clear no one on the grid got it, and it had a negative effect in this qualifying, so...getting rid of it was natural.
This idea maybe feasible if they had bulletproof 2010 Bridgestone tyres and unlimited allocation; not this cheese Pirelli tyres with limited tyre, PU & gearbox allocation.
why am i seeing loads of recent comments when this was published 4 years ago
I don't understand it can someone explain it Please 😢
Can someone explain what the rules actuallg are plz?
jesus this was a shit Idea I missed this because I was still asleep for the Australian GP
I don’t understand what exactly was going on. Would someone kindly explain?
Every few Minutes one driver gets eliminated
To try and stop Mercedes from being on pole in every single race, the FIA (and the teams) decided to introduce an elimination-style qualifying format, where the slowest driver in the session would be eliminated every 90 seconds after a 7 minute period had elapsed, over three sessions so you had seven eliminated in Q1, another seven in Q2, and a final shootout between the remaining 8 cars in Q3.
The problem with that was that everyone would go out and set their flying laps early on in the session, and then go back and sit in the pits for the remainder of the session, as the slower people had no time to go back to the pits and prepare for another flying lap, removing the excitement of people moving up and down the grid towards the final few minutes of qualy.
Needless to say, it was an absolute flop and it only lasted for one race before it was reverted to the usual qualifying sessions we have now.
I watched this as it happened & we were saying the same
@@LongLiveHelghast ah okay thanks for explaining, I’m quite glad we’ve got the quali format we have now
This format was alright with Q1, Q2 was a bit iffy but Q3 was a disaster.
I used to like the single lap qualifying, but the fastest driver always went last so he would have the best track rubber
im confused. how did this qualifying format work?
Tbh the 2016 Quali format was kinda good because there was time pressure on elimination which made it intense for the drivers and fans
It didn't make it intense because there were no cars on track for the majority of qualifying
Williams in Q3?!
How did they go from being a strong midfield team to being the backmarkers?!
2017 rule change hurt them a lot
@@GamerBrianLP Their 2017 car was alright, a solid midfield car, but then Paddy Lowe tried to replicate the Mercedes formula, which didn't go well.
@@PG-20 they (Paddy Lowe) wanted to add a lot more downforce by creating a whole new concept because since 2014 ( i think) their car had low drag but also low downforce. They failed and created an oversteery undriveable car with no mechanical grip. 2019 they wanted to change a lot but they created an even worse car with high drag and low downforce. 2020 they managed to remove a lot of that drag and added a lot of front downforce but since 2018 they rear design is a desaster and they cant design a whole new one because of funds.
Toto sums it up perfectly at the end
I read the description and still don't get it: Was there a other Qualifying system in 2016?
I don't see how getting eliminated by a timer could be more of an incentive to try for a faster lap than getting a better starting position.
If anything it does the opposite because the drivers below you get eliminated and the pressure of getting moved down the grid goes away.
That's not hindsight. Just common sense
Just seen you have Penistons Oils as a sponsor, are you partnered with Larsens Biscuits too?
I didn't even remember this was a thing
Almost feels like it's a fictional sketch.
Button's comment could apply to new sprint races in 2021. It won't change a thing and it's gimmick.
Id kind of like to see a system where you have 1.5 hours, and ever 6 minutes one car gets eliminated.
i would love to have back the single lap qualifying used in 2005. This was very interesting and put the ultimate amount of pressure to the drivers
Until it rained mid session and the grid was pretty much set from that point on.
@@Tank-o-grad yeah, that was surely not optimal, however this mixed grids a lot. i think this will not be possible today, because there is much to mch money in f1 and every team will get angry for the slightest disadvantage and threat to pull out of f1
@@xXloeffelsk8Xx There was far more money in the sport back then, though not as much (in real terms) as in the 1990s, the current money saving regimes came in post the global recession of 2008 but arguably have their origins in the banning of tobacco advertising around the turn of the century.
@@Tank-o-grad cant really comment on that one, i dont know what teams had back in 05. i know toyota spent huuuge amounts of money. i think i heard in a video vom chainbear that it was very extreme in 2017 and 2018 an merc had about 400 mil.
@@Tank-o-gradCutting costs started in 2003, actually
I actually liked the qualifying session when it was in swin because I liked count downs I guess.
Randum.
This would only work in a wet session where they go round and round, one lap and done like in the dry its awful
i still dont understand how it works - like a lap knockout but slowest time gets eliminated?
Yes
Learning about this years after, I think this concept would be incredible in a spec series. F1 ? Not so much.
I think part of the problem was the limited tyres - it meant that it was better to accept your position than make an attempt to move up a place or two
@@Septimus_ii And that people aren't driving the same cars. It's not like people will be jumping positions after every lap.
Am I the only one that knows that brand in the top left is from top gear
It wasn't a bad thing but it could be changed up a bit,it could be a one off,but they must be out on track for example or something else,not just staying
Ngl i totaly forgot about this Untill I saw this video ( I watched it but I literally don’t have a memory from it apart from being impressed with what max did
This was soo confusing..
I remember that it was bad, but I don't remember it this bad. This was awful, thankfully we reverted to the old one
At least they tried it, reaised it didn't work and weren't stubborn about switching it back. This doesn't bother me at all.
I didnt think there was much wrong with the 1 lap qualifying
Basically the idea wasn't that bad, but they should have done it differently
I didn’t hate this. It was better than some of the qualifying systems we had before, such as aggregate qualifying.
It was pretty awful all around and made a problem out of something that wasn't a problem. The idea isn't bad, but the execution was awful. As they said in the video, you have too little time between eliminations. It prioritizes a great opening lap which, if you get, you then don't need to be on track. The car who needs to be on track is, ironically, the car who has the least amount of time to turn laps. It also didn't help they still kept a Q1/Q2/Q3 type system. If two cars cross the line at the same time, but one car was in 20th and one car was in 12th, and elimination is just 3 minutes away, the 20th place car can't get in the pits, get fuel and tires, and then do an install lap and THEN do a quali lap. And the person in 12th isn't in a rush, since they just made it into Q2, so they might get ready, but will wait to see how 19th-16th shake out before going back on track. No sense using tires if it doesn't gain anything. ANd so you end up with just one or two cars on track for 10 minutes......
Meanwhile the current format is pretty good, all things considered. I don't see the need to change.
@@themanwithsauce Yeah the current format is better, I'm not denying it - but what I am saying here is that if we went from 2005 to this, rather than to what we have today, I reckon we'd still have it today. This is better than single-lap qualifying we had from 2003-05.
@@RBenjo21 I don't disagree that the qualifying of the time seemed like it needed change since it prioritized either going out early in case of rain or going out late after track evolution happened. But both that format, and the one they tried, share the same problem - too much dead track. ANd weirdly enough, aggregate quali held similar issues since it prioritized a short burst of excitement over the long haul of testing and tweaking and driving. For the FIA, if people know they can skip large parts of qualifying, and there aren't compelling drives during the qualifying runs, then saturday gets no TV viewers. You NEED people glued to the saturday running to make it worthwhile, and the only way people will do that is by having a steady amount of on track action and storylines to follow. The knockout qualifying didn't fix that issue. Sure, it condensed viewership compared to aggregate qualifying or one and done quali from years past, but there was So. Damn. Much. Dead. Track. where literally not a single car was going, that it made the format probably even worse than aggregate, TBH. I can see how it could be a breath of fresh air after aggregate quali, but I don't for one second think it would've stuck around.
At least single lap quali back in the day had the tension of "This is their one and only shot". The "One hour" format was a bit better, but I like this one where everyone has to be out on track at some point. And I think something like this was always going to happen. ANd like it or not, the natural breaks between Q1/Q2/Q3 not only give the teams and drivers a break, but the viewers too. So yeah, the knockout format was never going to catch on.
@@RBenjo21 And, I'm going to go one step further and say that the knockout qualifying played a part in the biggest problem in F1 today which is the "Positive feedback loop" where basically the better you do, the easier it is to keep going. P1 in the constructors gets the best sponsors which leads to the best drivers and engineers which leads to the best results and you get P1 again. Meanwhile, finish poorly and watch as you lose sponsors and talent and end up struggling to even field a team at all.
So in knockout style format, the teams that had to work the hardest were teams on the bubble and unlike the current format where they all get the same amount of time, the teams that initially posted the highest times get the most breathing room wheras the teams lowest on the grid have to constantly either scramble and try to do something, or just accept their fate and do nothing and preserve tire sets.
So once again - not only was this not entertaining, it was just shitty design for the sport. Yet another positive feedback loop? Isn't it enough they literally hand big checks over to the top teams over and over each year, sometimes simply for showing up, while other teams have to fight and scrap for a title sponsor who pays a literal fraction of what they'd pay on a winning team? No, this was never a system that was going to last and I once again reiterate that it was doomed from the get go.