Paul Ferguson testifies against mother Shanda Vander Ark in torture, murder trial
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- Paul Ferguson, who followed orders to torture his 15-year-old brother ultimately leading to his brother's death, testified against his mother, Shanda Vander Ark, during her trial.
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She killed one son, psychologically ruined another, and turns right around and tries to make it look like his fault.
She is absolutely vile and disgusting.
And 2 other children as well...
She's a psychopath.
Paul is just as guilty as she is. He is grown
Yeah- and shes part of our JUDICIAL SYSTEM
AMEN.
People need to remember Paul wasn't raised by this woman. He didn't live with her until he was 18 years old. He'd only been there a year when Timothy got there. He wasn't doing this because he was afraid. He was doing it because he had mom issues and wanted to earn her approval. There was so much he could've done. Pretended to put hot sauce but fill it with ketchup, fill the tub with hot water and ice cubes instead of cold water, sneak snacks and hide them outside when he was forced to run, he could've called the police while at work. He knew right from wrong. He admitted he knew everything he was doing was cruel. He wouldn't put hot sauce on his penis because it "crossed a line"
He isn't stupid. He's socially awkward and neurodivergent. He does deserve to face consequences but not nearly as harsh of consequences as his mother. More than anything he needs therapy to sort out why he was so desperate for her validation and approval he was willing to torture his brother to death
Oh, I thought she raised him... that changes things. Then why did he do that 😢
If he didn't come back till he was 18! That tells me he's sick and enjoyed torturing his brother! He deserves life in prison!
He went to live with Shanda cuz bio Dad said he didn't want him anymore and his Dad would over medicate him in order to NOT TAKE care of him in other words to make him numb and sluggish per se. This is what was told in the testimony in court.
Where was it said in court? Thats not true. Paul chose to move with his mom. His sister stayed behind. Timothy was the one that Dad said he couldn't handle him anymore and he was considering foster care
@@beanj580 I didn't say Paul didn't choose to live with his mother. Where did you get that? I said he didn't live with her until like a year before Timothy got there. He wasn't raised by her therefore he wasn't abuse by or afraid of her. That's my only point
Like the Judge said- He’s 1 step away from becoming a psychopath. They both enjoyed torturing that poor boy. The can rot in prison.
And only given what they gave to Timothy to eat.
On jail calls he whines that he's cold and the bed is uncomfortable. He has 0 remorse for what he has done. He even made a list of rules for an autistic cell mate. He has learned nothing. I hope he is never released he will always be a danger to people he thinks he can bully.
@@heidismith6345I know he said he wanted to punch this autism Guy, who's in jail with him..He hasn't learned anything about someone with disabilities, Everything the judge said is true, he's a sociopath, I wouldn't want Paul for a neighbor.
to be honest, I am not sure how much he used to eat based on how he looks... Never know how his life was. Not that it excuses his actions, but his mother has a lot to do with it...@@JesusismyRock773
@@heidismith6345he was raised and brainwashed to be that way
What's crazy is listening to their Jail calls requesting $, she wants $150 a week and he's wanting $75, because they can't eat the food! How ironic.
She ruined this kid too.
Yes.
He looks like he is on the spectrum too. He is also way too thin. This woman is a monster.
I agree!!
She made him like her pure evil
He's not a kid and only lived with her when he was 17 or 18 years of age. He's as monstrous and cruel as she is. Perhaps more so. He's calculated.
Not sure apparently he only moved back a year prior to the death.
the thought of timothy’s frail hand reaching for a pizza roll only for it to be yanked away made me feel viscerally sick.
During his ice bath
It's a nazi concentration camp level of torture. KZ camp officers delighted in torturing the starving inmates in such a fashion: mixing food with something vile just to watch the starving people fight each other for it; tempting them with food only to shoot them if they reached for it; making them fight to the death as entertainment for a food reward; etc. Shonda is that level of evil, and her eldest son obeyed her for the reward of his mother's praise.
When he asked the investigator for a salty snack of chips, I could have reached right into my monitor. I was hoping the investigator would have said "How 'bout some bread with hot sauce?!"
Absolutely!
@@kristineb492omg i thought the same thing! Her too when she kept saying she was cold! The effing audacity!
This is a 21 year old grown man this is not a child. He knew what he was doing
Exactly. All these people thinking he was brainwashed or whatever, he knew right from wrong.
I watched the interrogation and this video and to me he does come across as mentally impaired of sorts. High functioning something whatever. I also think that he isn't mentally 20 years old. And I think that he desperately wanted someone to call mother and be "loved" and that he thus excelled at pleasing this mother - with all mental acrobatics that it required. He isn't 20 years old in his head, only in his body. That's my opinion.
Exactly. I'm guessing the people defending him know nothing about his true nature. He's exactly like his mother.
Thank you for pointing that out (or at least that he's not impaired to the degree that some people think). Many of the comments are way too forgiving of Paul and his 'neurodivergence' is somehow taken to mitigate his culpability. He knew right from wrong, so despite this condition, he isn't insane. Also, in this hearing, the way he's speaking makes him appear vulnerable and somehow compromised (in a behavioral/ psychiatric way) which creates the impression that he's more innocent than is actually the case. I'm not saying it's fake. He is nervous and apprehensive and that is perfectly understandable, it's an uncomfortable (or at least unusual) situation for anyone. But that's all it is, apprehension. Because if you watch his interrogation (with a kind and calm detective who made the situation very comfortable), he was at ease and speaking freely and not getting stuck, losing focus or asking for reiteration. People shouldn't overrate, nor cheapen such things as neurodivergence until the concept doesn't mean anything anymore and, actually, can end up disadvantaging those who suffer from the condition.
@muppelmuh1445 so now go and listen to phonecalls with his new girlfriend 😂
Paul thought he was getting a better deal than Shanda, but wound up getting life anyway. He’s psycho as well. He loved the power he had over Timothy. And his vile behavior aided in Timothy’s death. RIP Tim Ferguson. 💔💔💔
Very true , his evilness is all over his horrible face
Thank you for pointing that out. Many of the comments are way too forgiving of Paul and his 'neurodivergence' is somehow taken to mitigate his culpability. He knew right from wrong, so despite this condition, he isn't insane. Also, in this hearing, the way he's speaking makes him appear vulnerable and somehow compromised (in a behavioral/ psychiatric way) which creates the impression that he's more innocent than is actually the case. I'm not saying it's fake. He is nervous and apprehensive and that is perfectly understandable, it's an uncomfortable (or at least unusual) situation for anyone. But that's all it is, apprehension. Because if you watch his interrogation (with a kind and calm detective who made the situation very comfortable), he was at ease and speaking freely and not getting stuck, losing focus or asking for reiteration. People shouldn't overrate, nor cheapen such things as neurodivergence until the concept doesn't mean anything anymore and, actually, can end up disadvantaging those who suffer from the condition.
He was manipulated by the mother. He was in fear for his life
Paul himself said he was not afraid of his mother. The only punishment Paul received from mom was loss of devices. How about that video of Paul dragging Timothy out of his room by his hair? Not directed by mom and mom wasn't even home. His own sister said he relentlessly tormented Timothy's his whole life.
From what little I’ve seen, they treated the dog better. At least its bodily functions were addressed. More than Timothy got!
She makes me sick. How she could eat breakfast lunch and dinner everyday while starving her child to bones is so awful. She doesn’t even deserve that water that she is sipping on.
I can't even eat if my kids haven't eaten I'll never understand. If we have no groceries theres no way in going to get fast food while shopping I'll wait and bring groceries home to my kids because I can't even eat if they haven't eaten. This woman's mother must have been evil. She has no motherly intuition
maybe she was a nazi guard in a concentration camp in her other life, she looks like one
100% agree
Yes‼️watching her take so many sips of the bottle water,provided for her, just turned my stomach
At our (taxpayers’) expense!!!
What a horrible mother. She tortured her middle son, brainwashed her oldest son, and then she sits here acting like he's lying. The way she's shaking her head when he implicates her is disgusting. She genuinely believes she's going to get away with this.
😮@@mariacobian1566
@@mariacobian1566 Timothy was 15 years old.
Not to excuse her behavior only I'm just curious of her upbringing.
Thank God she was able to move on any further at the courthouse. Can you imagine the lies and bad things she could’ve done to others working at a courthouse
@@mstance8134 her lawyer tried to explain it I had to fast forward cuz it was making me sick how he was trying to paint her as the victim but basically her father died when she was little and molested her prior to that when she was very young and then her stepfathers did the same.
On his knees, his knees skinny bones, hands on his head, the pain this boy suffered is beyond imagination.
It's truly heartbreaking, it really is😢😢😢😢😢😢😢
😢 can’t even fathom ,,, yet nothing sinks in for these people, not a tear shed. Coldest of the cold… hard to wrap my mind around it
For HOURS!!!
It is beyond. I pray for this child. I pray he has a better life on the other side! God loves him
@@aliamacintyre483for hours days weeks and months. He endured so much abuse. It makes me sick to my stomach truly.
I had access to all the messages between Shanda and Paul. He was as willing as she was and had ideas for torture as well. He hated being bothered while he was playing his computer game and believed Timothy to constantly playing because he wanted food. All the time Timothy was starving to death. Paul is psychopath like his mother. IMO.
Or watching his stupid Annimae
Exactly!
Where are those texts? I knew he was a piece of crap.
Where did you get to see all the text messages
@@lydiastephenson9425 ya I want to know too!
I love that she cannot remember a damn thing but then sits and shakes her head at her son’s testimony as if she suddenly knows he is lying.
Right
I am glad you said this! It hadn’t really occurred to me!
Good point. The witch.
@@sandybrickman1392exactly what I was thinking
Face of the Devil
She has the nerve to sit and smirk while she places all the blame on Paul is so disgusting & gives a clear insight as who she is as a person. She is vile.
Right. Not bad enough she abused them in the home. No she's allowing her lawyers blame him for it all instead of saying he didn't do anything. He did what I told him to do .. shes one of the most wicked ppl to ever walk the earth. I love the judge btw
@@mariamaria2751 exactly!! She is a sorry excuse of a "MOTHER" ....she is vile. I hope her cell mates help her on a huger strike.... she needs a dose of her own medicines ...... just horrible.
@@mariamaria2751her lawyer knows but it’s all about winning
@sylviabriggs4087 I rarely ever feel bad for people who aid others who are abusive but it's so unfortunately clear how abused Paul is and how he was being used as her emotional husband and he is a victim of her abuse as well. She is absolutely evil. Paul's remorse is real.. he deserves to be punished for his role but her blaming everything on him is disgusting and obviously manufactured for her benefit.
@mariamaria2751 she used paul as her emotional husband, and his desperate need to be loved by her as a vehicle to leverage him into doing things I don't think he would have ever done on his own He doesn't sit and make excuses either..... he owns his guilt. She already has a black eye during her testimony...... I have a feeling she will be sporting many black eyes. I approve.
😂 I bet y’all in the comments feel REAL FOOLISH. This monster knew what he was doing- and NOTHING about him says AUTISM. GLAD HE GOT 30-100 years!!!!
👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 exactly 💯
They probably still supporting this monster anyways🙄🤬😡
💯
I don't know why everyone can't see through this kid. What a bullshitter! Nobody can see how his demeanor changed when he talked about his brother stealing food that he didn't need?! He's not afraid of his mother! Didn't anyone hear him when he said he felt like killing his brother? It's obvious that his brother was just as much of an annoyance to him as he was to his mother. He's just as responsible. He's playing the victim. Open your eyes people!!
He also made SURE to include the statement that he did it all under the guise of following his mother's "orders".
He came up with his own ideas for punishment for his brother to endure & was quick to rat him out to cause further abuse.
He wasn't under any "orders" to INITIATE further abuse or add new punishment suggestions....he did that on his own.
He's pleaded guilty to 1st degree child abuse. He'll be in prison for 10-20 years min. The judge gave Shanda 50yrs so he has discretion to give Paul more. Or less. Paul was not the parent & the texts prove she was the one directing this macabre storyline. He was 19/20 & you can't deny he has some serious developmental and behavioral issues that Shanda manipulated to solve her problem. Shanda was a despicable mother. She lost parental rights to all 4 of her kids in 2009. The CPS records are sealed but the divorce isnt. She beat them horribly amongst other punishments & there's allegations of SA by her and between the kids. Bad enough that the kids were put in foster care during the investigation & she was only granted 3hr/supervised visits post divorce. Their childhood home was a nightmare. Paul managed to contact Shanda after years of no contact by no(or child support) & moved to MI to be with her. wanted his mother's love after missing it for 13yrs. He would've done anything to gain her favor, love & attention. He'll spend most of his adult life in prison & live with the guilt of his brother's death his whole life. All because he wanted his demon mother to love him.
@@emeraldblue5291 Well, that definately puts some light on the situation. It is clear, whether someone has a certification to say so or not, that he has some mental issues. Was he evaluated at all? If so, then that should be taken into consideration as to his sentencing and what it will be. Though I feel that he should have told someone I understand he was trying very hard to gain acceptance from her. I don't see him being able to do a long prison sentence and feel that, if he is sentenced to any long term, it should be in a psychiatric facility.
I'm only 13 minutes into this video so far, but as someone who is also autistic (as I suspect he is), I'm sure there will be many moments of miscommunication or misinterpretation just because of the things he says or how he says them.
Also, being able to factually relay a series of events without any obvious signs of emotions, no matter how terrible the events were, doesn't necessarily indicate lack of guilt or remorse. The autistic brain works differently in a lot of ways.
Alicewilliams3273 You're so right, they're equally evil. She didn't mind throwing Paul under the bus, but when her lawyer hold his feet to the fire, he did the same to her. They are both dishonest and manipulative.
I’m an RN, I work in mental health, both pediatric and adult. Autism is challenging, but Michigan has TONS of resources and assistance!!!! She REFUSED IT ALL!!!
Paul is a classic abuse case himself!
She abused ALL her kids!
I truly hope Paul gets the help he needs and DESERVES!!!
Look at his face and body how frail he is, he needs help not harm his brother, it was out of being scared shitless from his mother. Poor young man, you are brave to have testified against her and admit your part. We know you are a victim my dear boy, you will get help and come strong from all of this drama. Don't forget you are a victim.
I'm upset how no one noticed how skinny her older son had looked and no noise came from her house. The grandparents should be looked into too for they have to have known, they are just as sickening to allow her to play pretend. People and the justice system need to see and acknowledge that grandparents are just as accountable.
Yes for sure happiness might come but unfortunately at a much later date
I pray he gets the help he needs and thank you for your comment. It definitely helps my disposition of watching this video that somebody thinks the same way I do.
I’m not a RN I am a certified caregiver, and I specialize in PTSD and anger management . I can clearly see this young man has mental issues and his mother abused him with it and used him.
Hes fcked for life. Tragic how that monster created another one. That is why some people shouldn't be allowed to be parents.
Well yoy don't know what you're talking about because he's a psychopath. He smiled SO hard when talking about the day his brother died when he couldn't stand on his own and had to be dragged to the ice bath and another time talking about how he'd make sure his brother was in uncomfortable positions in the ice bath. Pay attention lady. People like you falling for psychopaths are why they sometimes get let out early on appeal for "good behavior" . Your way of missing all of the signs is dangerous.
It amazes me that she had to scrounge $3.00 change for chicken tenders for her baby son but spent all this money on cameras to watch Timothy. Makes no sense
She was obsessed with policing and punishing Timothy
She also had an iPhone.
Hatred is very powerful. Just look at most Republicans.
@@abelis644I’m not defending her by any stretch of the imagination but that doesn’t really mean anything. It was more than likely a contract
It amazes me that Paul researched and the hot sauce with the 2 hottest peppers in the world and poured it down Timothy's throat. Evil Paul and Mommy dearest. RIP Timothy.
Paul recently tells his fiancé, that he plans to marry in September 2024, that he hates to be lied to, yet he lies about Timothys treatment to the police. Paul is a snake for blaming his mom for his horrible treatment of his own brother. He should have been charged with murder too. Thirty years is not enough. Life in prison for him!
He got 30 to life. Meaning that after 30 years he will be up for parole. Just because he's up for parole does it mean it has to be granted. They can keep him there for the rest of his life if they see fit
Paul has a fiancé??
Even if he gets out after 30 years, he’ll be over 50 years old, with no skills to get any kind of job to support himself, completely alone in life and having to live this way forever. Sounds like a life sentence to me. He’s having entirely too much fun in prison (his vapid bebeegirl, playing video games, getting three meals a day plus commissary, free health care), so let him out and see how he navigates that hellish life.
@@user-oo1fk3nv8z Yes her name is Jenny. Zav Girl has a few jail calls of Paul and Jenny they’re disturbing to say the least.
Listen to his jail calls. He’s completely different. He just is as bad as his mother.
💯 but I think worse
Thank you for pointing that out. Many of the comments are way too forgiving of Paul and his 'neurodivergence' is somehow taken to mitigate his culpability. He knew right from wrong, so despite this condition, he isn't insane. Also, in this hearing, the way he's speaking makes him appear vulnerable and somehow compromised (in a behavioral/ psychiatric way) which creates the impression that he's more innocent than is actually the case. I'm not saying it's fake. He is nervous and apprehensive and that is perfectly understandable, it's an uncomfortable (or at least unusual) situation for anyone. But that's all it is, apprehension. Because if you watch his interrogation (with a kind and calm detective who made the situation very comfortable), he was at ease and speaking freely and not getting stuck, losing focus or asking for reiteration. People shouldn't overrate, nor cheapen such things as neurodivergence until the concept doesn't mean anything anymore and, actually, can end up disadvantaging those who suffer from the condition.
Yeah his a horrible person. His so ungrateful and cold. He only cares about himself. Clearly loves all the attention.
@@IllustratedTheoryexactly! So well said, I’m so sick of reading all these “forgiving” comments about him! The way he talks with his new fiancé is NOT like this!
This reminds of the book “A Child Called It.”
When I was younger my older sister was reading this book and crying and she described it to me. When I got into my teenage years I read it, and it stuck with me still to this day. All my life I wanted to save these kids, I always said if I ever won the lottery I would buy a ranch and property and animals. Become a foster home, whether temporary or permanent and show children true love, structure, dinner at 5, homework at the table, love and responsibility. I’m 35 and that’s still my dream to do one day.I’m a mother of 3 and I would much rather put my work into saving kids than work 9-5 for a boss that doesn’t give a shit about me personally.
I wish to do the same, here in Britain. Children all deserve love and respect. You are an angel, and I hope that you win the lottery, as I hope I do too. Don't understand how people who win don't have a vision to make others' lives better. This is a heartbreaking case 😢.
I can't even stand to hear that title. It screwed with my head so bad when I read it. I think I was 18. Far before there was any trials being streamed on CZcams, so it was the first encounter I had hearing such horrific things done by a mother.
It immediately reminded me of that book as well. The similarities are striking. Horrifying that this happened.
I remember that book. Horrors!
I read that book and I cried so much. So so sad
A kid which clearly has mental issues, has been manipulated all his life by this evil woman who calls herself a mother. And now he is being manipulated by the system. Someone needs to step in and show this man true love and reprogram the mess his mother has made of his life .
Hardly "manipulated by the system." His testimony ensured her conviction.
I agree, the judge can still give him a life sentence. It’s obvious he has mental disabilities but also feel like he does need to suffer the consequences for his actions against Timothy.
@@marhee143g5I agree he needs to be punished but he has clearly been brainwashed by his so called Mom and he does have mental issues. It's like Paul was a robot and his Mother was controlling him. He definitely needs help.
He had plenty of opportunities to go to the police even go across to a neighbor and say something even school faculty, instead he chose not to. He was able to testify and was very articulate so he does have some mental capacity to think for himself. To say he was manipulated and he was reprogrammed as if he can't do anything for himself is just a lame excuse. He was somewhat aware and still competent to know right from wrong.
He looks like she withheld food from him if he did not comply to her Demands!!!
They didn’t think that keeping him in an ice bath for nine hours would kill him? My heart hurts for Timothy! 😢
She reminds me of how those guards looked and what they acted like in the Nazi concentration camps... just look at her cold and detached expression, she's evil so she'll adapt to prison and find a way to control her environment.. she'll find the weak ones and prey on them therefore she should be placed in solidarity confinement. indefinitely
I don’t feel bad for the Son, He knew exactly what he was doing as his brother was tortured and he was a huge part of it. Shame on him for not telling anyone- evil has no remorse.
@Finn71632 When I first heard about this and watched her trial, I believed that Paul was her victim. However, after listening to his jail phone calls and really thinking about things, I agree with you 100%. He had a job so he would have been able to report what was going on....he didn't. He could have gone against her and fed his poor brother...he didn't.
@@erinm9568 there is no doubt in my mind he knew what he was doing every single day. He could’ve lied to his mother and not did these things. Fed him, gave him a blanket, Let him sleep didn’t hog tie him in the bathtub. It’s absolutely sick and he deserved every day that he has gotten. After reading and hearing all about this, just hearing what he was doing every single day to this child just physically makes me sick.
Mmm....there's a lot more to this story than that
@@erinm9568he was looking for approval. Looking for affection. He was conditioned. He has ADD also. It seems as if he enjoyed the torture sometimes but there's more to this story and more to the human brain
@@marshapieroni6677 you’re right it was much worse I’m sure! No excuse for either , they are psychopaths
The irony that they treated him worse than a prisoner, and now they get to be handcuffed, locked in a room and watched on camera.
Only injustice is they get 3 hot meals a day!
I'm sure the female Prisoners are gonna make her life Hell
@@lulabelle4527unless your this woman ill bet they mess with her food
The difference is. They get to eat 😢
Watching this whole thing makes me sick. He is just as guilty as she is. Their pictures before they were both heavier.
It makes perfect sense that he went from calling her Mama to Shonda. He's being deprogrammed. He's ironically free for the first time in prison. He saw her coerce him into helping kill his brother and he is clearly remorseful and probably has felt a lot of anger and fear towards her all this time. Lots of formerly abused kids stop calling their abuser Mom or Dad.
Right? This guy will have to live with that remorse for the rest of his life.
Did you hear the whole testimony? He passed from starvation and hypothermia. Paul is as guilty as his mother. Both are adults and knew better. He isn't calling her mom because he has a plea deal.
I call my mom Wendi so I get it. I also called her mama for a lonnnnnggggg time after kids my age called their mother mama as well.
How old was Timothy wonder why he didn’t try to escape shame on her for abusing Paul and leaving him to take the blame Paul for a very thin as well
@akf1111 being physically adult isn't the same as being mentally an adult
This guy is not innocent. Take a listen at the jail calls.
Where did you find them?
@@elouiseee Zav girl & AG Tactial
@@bubbabaf4212 thank you deer
Totally agree this is all an act he talks normal when he is asking for money from his penal who is funding his appeal ..
For those saying that Paul is afraid of Shanda, no he is not. He stood up to her quite a few times in texts and also made this snide comment at 1:50:06 and then looked right at her. He’s trying to save his own butt. He was kicked out of his dads for being sadistic towards the other kids! Then it was open season on Timothy when he got to his moms. He ratted on him OFTEN to seek approval to torture him. These are the acts of a psych0path (ASPD). He is exactly like his mother already. Yes, SHE caused him to be like this but he is sane and capable of knowing that what he was doing was wrong, hence why he told Shanda they should actually feed him because he was TOO skinny. That is of course just to avoid k!lling Timothy and thus avoid going to prison forever. Certainly not born out of empathy. Both of these ppl are products of horrendous ab*se inflicted by their parents (that’s how narcissism and sociopathy are usually caused), but that is NO excuse. Unless they’re criminally insane (basically your brain is fried)… there is absolutely nothing that excuses doing this to another human. They enjoyed it and got off on the control. They’re both sadists. No mercy for either. And I’m glad the judge also saw all of this! He even called them out for being psych0s.
Thank you. The jail cell calls are very revealing, he is worse than his mother. He tries not to smile during this testimony. He is full of it and tricking so many people.
"Dad" Ferguson needs to be brought to Court
He's deceased
@@shelteredopal The stepdad is deceased; his bio dad, who returned him to his mom, is alive and well... and, yes, needs to be charged!!
@@loveforeignaccents
Charged for what? Giving him to his mom without court approval?
@@wynkenblynkennod3712 She wasn't supposed to have any visitation with Timothy whatsoever unless it was supervised. She gave him back to her to live with her because he "couldn't deal with him."
@@loveforeignaccents
Yes I know.
What are you wanting them to charge him with?? That was my question...
I want the question asked....What would happen to YOU if you didn't follow the "instructions" Shanda gave you???
There has to be some reason he followed all these bizarre directives.
I feel that this young man is also somewhere on the spectrum....I feel sorry for him.
I'm not even sure he realized how barbaric the treatment his brother received, was.
He seems very anxious and nervous. Not just because he is on wittness stand.
His apologies....and extreme politeness....just seem like he is not as mature as his actual age.
His mother abused him as well....I'm sure of it.
Absolutely, even I had the same question, he must be a victim too since his childhood and fearfully did all the acts.
he said he suffered from something (which he named but i can't remember) much like stockholm syndrome.
I definitely agree!
I feel the same, he appears to have some impermanent.
Exactly! I had the same thoughts, and wrote a comment on the exact same conclusion as yours.
If you feel sorry for Paul and think he was afraid of Shanda...PLEASE, listen to his jail calls and his texts with Shanda.
Paul hated Timothy. He asked in a text if he could call "it" pathetic. There is reason to believe he lied on Timothy to get him in trouble - such as saying Tim ate his food days ago, but then Shanda points out that food was there in that time frame and then he says Tim was doing something he wasnt supposed to on the tablet but when Shanda asks for a screenshot he IMMEDIATELY (like too soon to check) takes it back. Shanda had to tell him to stop screaming at Timothy. He kept saying he wanted to hit Tim.
Yet when Paul was sneaky, kept Shanda awake and lied to her about what he was doing...NOTHING happened to him aside from a speaking to and once or twice losing his device privileges. Shanda constantly babied Paul. Always helping him get rides when he was capable and paying for stuff for him. Sure, she had him do a lot and was controlling in the sense of mapping out his days, but she rarely was mean to him.
The judge was right about him. 100%!
One step away from being a Psychopath......
Thank you for pointing that out. Many of the comments are way too forgiving of Paul and his 'neurodivergence' is somehow taken to mitigate his culpability. He knew right from wrong, so despite this condition, he isn't insane. Also, in this hearing, the way he's speaking makes him appear vulnerable and somehow compromised (in a behavioral/ psychiatric way) which creates the impression that he's more innocent than is actually the case. I'm not saying it's fake. He is nervous and apprehensive and that is perfectly understandable, it's an uncomfortable (or at least unusual) situation for anyone. But that's all it is, apprehension. Because if you watch his interrogation (with a kind and calm detective who made the situation very comfortable), he was at ease and speaking freely and not getting stuck, losing focus or asking for reiteration. People shouldn't overrate, nor cheapen such things as neurodivergence until the concept doesn't mean anything anymore and, actually, can end up disadvantaging those who suffer from the condition.
Paul's relationship with his mom is very strange. It's like he is her husband and not her son.
HE IS NOT BRAINWASHED OR MANIPULATED!!!
he was a bully way before his mom , his sister even stated that!!!
If you listen to his phone calls from jail he ACTS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
So true!!! He’s very intelligent and a master manipulator !!
Also, the first time his mom asked him to do something to his brother he done it. He didn't report it. That tells me this evil was already in him.
Where would I find the calls ?
@@kirstythorne8534search them on you tube: “Paul Ferguson jail calls”
Zav girl on you tube has calls and all texts. This grown man knew what he was doing.
He’s terrified of her. He keeps glancing at her and its obvious he’s scared of her. Listening to this is making me sick to my stomach. This poor poor child. What he went through is horrendous
He's not terrified of that monster he's terrified off what they both done to poor Timothy that beautiful blond hair blue eyes angel rip darling angle six months yr beautiful life was taking from those controlling monsters that u taught loved u through them both under the prison the prison no more excuses from them they both done this evil beyond evil running right through there veins 💙
if you can see how damaged and hurt this kid is then you are blind and not a very nice person, he was also abused by his mom. torn between his mom and his brother. she tortured him thru what she told him to do, you cant see the incredible hurt in his eyes. wow, just wow!@@martinaosullivan1622
The judge had it right at sentencing. If Timot 1:05:05 hy hadn't died then, he might continue to receive further abuse. At least the child is at peace now with the angels
I could only listen to 1st 25 mins. My Anxiety is definitely Triggered. That poor Boy.. Bless his heart. 💔
Paul's eyes are darting around the room like a prey animal.
To torture someone with food is the most cruel kind of torture. How is a disabled child supposed to even comprehend WHY someone is doing something so horrible to them? omg.
😢😢😢😢😢
My daughter has the same diagnosis as Timothy and yes at 15 years old she put us through the mill but we dealt with every episode got her help and she’s now 20 years old and has a diploma in art, she still struggles but she’s our life we cook together and she’s painted not only some beautiful art for my house but decorates for me, I couldn’t wouldn’t be without her and am so proud of how far she’s come, poor Timothy deserved so much more and could’ve been so much more 😢
Look into what happens in gaza. Same Thing.
I'm grateful Shanda got the lawyer she did. She got a respectable defense attorney who also seems like a good man. She didn't deserve him, but that's who she got.
Shanda insisted on taking this to trial bc she's a delusional narcissist who actually believed 12 jurors might find her not guilty. That's insane! Attorney Johnson had nothing to work with. I don't think he fumbled or came across as "dumb" (as others have commented)-- look at the facts he's stuck with! There's only so much lipstick you can put on a pig.
What attorney Johnson didn't do: He didn't turn this trial into a circus or come up with far-fetched alternative theories or blame other people for Shanda's documented actions (he did blame Paul, but only for his actions). He was always respectful & professional with the judge, prosecutor, and witnesses. I watch a lot of trials & I don't see a lot of this with defense attorneys. They usually come across as arrogant, scummy liars-- many of whom seem to exceed the threshold of what's considered ethical in defending their clients.
And after it was over, he seemed so relieved. He said this was the worst case he's ever tried. He vehemently warned Shanda's pyscho friend that if he allowed her to see the pics of Timothy (pre-trial), she'd never unsee them. She didn't care-- big surprise 🙄). That tells me the facts of this case deeply affected him. How could they not?
In interviews after the trial, attorney Johnson graciously talks about the prosecutor & compliments him as an attorney & person.
I just wanted to say Fred Johnson seems like a lovely person & he did a decent job with what he had to work with. ✌️
You're 💯 correct!!! Mad respect for Mr. Johnson
Extremely well written and great point. Ty.
Fast forward and Shanda's disciple Paul gets a 30 year sentence. These 2 demons belong in Hell.
It’s really a good thing that Shanda’s lawyer is bullying Paul. It only makes her look more evil. NOBODY thinks Paul is a metally healthy young man and ANYBODY who sees even the bare dynamics of this family setup are aware that she is abusing her older son by implicating him further in the abuse of his brother.
A GOOD mother would feel protective. She is a monster
Are you psychiatrist ? How you know he has mental issues ?
@@DK-lk6ekhe probably will after this
Agreed. I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s mildly autistic as well. His mom is clearly evil. This son was afraid she’d turn her anger on him.
@@DK-lk6ek It’s called common sense… Many people still have it…
His entire mind directed at causing effort, pain, hunger, insecurity, alienation, invasive control of his body and its processes and humiliation in a poor child. A monster. 🪨 She should be the subject of scientific study for a few years, her brain 🤐🤬 and genes could help identify those monsters, this is a perverse sadist from the dark-triad. 🌟Blessed are her poor children and husband of strange death.❤
(I am a university genetic biologist and counselor)
I'm traumatized from listening to the horrific life of that child. That woman is a demon. 💔😢🙏
That’s the only conclusion I’m able to come to
I found it ironic when her own attorney said something like, "I go to meet my clients, and they are just people. They aren't demons. They don't have horns." He said that in his closing argument. I thought, "She is a demon, and those braids look like horns to me." Those braids are so strange...
@@natbb9 Who does there hair that way! It looks wicked in a very bad way.
@@natbb9😂😂😂
@st7728 If she wanted to look more evil, she couldn't. It would be impossible.
Her shaking her head as if he's lying about what she asked him to do. She's subhuman.
He probably is lying because he done the worse things himself. They fed on each other
Right and funny how she can’t remember anything when she testifies but now everything her son says is a lie
Regular Human is all 😅
@@curtissea5340you’re not funny at ALL.
Did this boy not have enough sense to dial 911? Smh he should have got the same sentence as the mom.
This boy is mentally challenged
When did 21 become the new "poor boy" help me understand... leagl drinking age but yet still considered a boy.....
He could've at least called the dad!! He had options he chose not to do.
This is truly the most disgusting case I've ever heard of. I am feeling physically ill from listening to Paul's testimony. I feel immense sympathy for Timothy. That poor sweet boy. I feel a deep and seething hatred for Shanda. That woman is the epitome of evil. As a mother, her atrocious actions are the lowest of the low, I cannot think of anything worse than a mother who diabolically, deliberately, and methodically, tortured, starved, and beat her child to death all the while enlisting her other child into assisting her. In relation to Paul, I go back and forth between feeling disgust and rage for his cruel treatment of his brother to then feeling some sympathy for the unimaginable circumstances his demon of a mother put him in. Paul does seem to be emotionally handicapped although he seems very bright intelligence wise. I can't help but think that Shanda's abuse took many different forms and that each child got a different kind. Paul doesn't seem like the kind to have many friends, and seemed to live a reclusive life where Shanda was his only form of companionship. She watched the cameras from her work to ensure Paul was following her every despicable order. I believe he did feel sympathy for Timothy at times but also knew that expressing hatred, disgust, or cruelty towards his brother elicited praise and love from his mother which he desperately craved. I do believe Paul deserves punishment, the actions are just too horrible for him to get completely off the hook as a 20 year old man who most certainly knew right from wrong. I just can't help to think that Paul wouldn't have committed any of these horrendous acts without the most influential person in his purposefully, sheltered, secluded life encouraging him to do so.
Exactly. Paul knew that showing disgust for Timothy was the only way of "bonding" with and getting praise from his mother 😢 My heart hurts for him...I don't know how some defense attorneys sleep at night.
I couldn’t agree more with this.
Exactly.
She likes none of them she is pure evil, a selfish demon😢
I couldn’t agree more.. This is the worst case I’ve ever came across.. Hearing what they did to poor little Timothy is heartbreaking and also enraging.. I would love to do the same to their Mother. I agree Paul was craving love and was totally brainwashed by his mother, I’m sure he now understands that actions have consequences and that his mother used him to kill his little brother that he should of protected..
Her utter hate for her children is simply undeniable! She truly believes that Paul should suffer like her because he did as she instructed him to. He does deserve punishment because of all the things he could have done to save his brother though but, how devastating that she had the power and authority over her children and used them against each other because exercising cruelty over her subjects excites her. Even to this bitter end she refuses to admit the truth about herself. Lock her up and throw away the key because this one cannot be saved!
U know who she reminds me of.....Cersei, the Game Of Thrones maniacal and sadistic queen. Well, all fictional characters are based on REAL people. What's more concerning...they seem to be multiplying!!!
@@americangirlx4 cersei is discussed even by characters who hate her and are her victims like tyrion and sansa that her only saving grace was being a fiercely loving mother, and her control over joffrey was shut down and ripped from her, she is also a victim of violent domestic abuse and marital rape. her 2 younger children are angels, all 3 of her children die in gruesome ways.
@@moocowtoyou Gosh, I wasn't trying to stir up the defense team of the Cersei fanclub!!! 😄. I don't have to defend myself, but I'd hate to affect ur future sleep with my irreverent musing.
I was alluding to both being Narcissistic megalomaniacs who enjoyed doling out pain and suffering for domination and sadism. I don't care what happened to either one of them that would ever justify what they both CHOSE to become!!!
She only hated Timothy
SHE SHOULD GET LIFE WITHOUT PAROLE ..LET HER SON GET MHMRVTREATMENT AND NOT IN JAIL. SHE STARVED HIM AND 10 HRS IN AN ICE BATH. ..THEN SHE PUT A HOODIE ON HIM. TO WARM UP HIS BODY,??? SHE SHOULD H A VE NEVER HAD CHILDREN AT ALL. ..WAS THE STROKE CHECKED OUT TO DETERMINE IF SHE KILLED HIM???ADAM HER HUSBAND ??? HOW DID HE PUT UP WE ITH HER ??? DID ANY FAMILY MEMBERS KNOW ABOUT ANY OF THIS ???
I'm not feeling for him. He willingly participated in his brother's torture. Old enough to call 911 at any point along the way.
I love when the judge makes sure to say “I’ve made no agreement on your sentence in exchange with you for testifying today.” I REALLY HOPE THE JUDGE DENIES HIS PLEA DEAL AND GIVES HIM THE MAX! This thing is disgusting 🤮 He could have gave his brother food at any time. He could have called the 911 dispatcher at any time!
She's had some pretty significant emotional domination over this kid. What a shame. I look at him and think: mentally, emotionally, and even physically abused. He appeared to me to be scared of her.
It’s all a act if u ask me
@@darlenewhiteheaddo you really think that? If so, why? Do you think he could keep that up ? I have autism and was also abused, I don't think he can truly fake those glances over to her, the demeanor... the discomfort. But maybe I haven't seen things tjat you have. I had to watch this twice because I was distracted the first time but even on cross he seems remorseful, apologetic and genuine to me
@@lanahaxer4935I think you might be projecting. He is not you
@@darlenewhiteheadagree. He's disgusting and this is a pathetic act.
@@Annedowntherabbitholey'all allistics term it 'empathy' when you use the skill.
This boy doesnt look "over feed" either & you can tell the way he keeps looking over to her that he is terrified of the evil witch 😈
exactly!
We can see his cheek bones from far away,bcs he is so skinny. Narcissists are obsessed with control,they controls meals,too and lacks empathy,poor children. JazzyT.
What a vile human being , she doesn't deserve to be called a mother , My beautiful son has autism and learning difficulties and this case breaks my heart in pieces , I hope she rots in hell 😢😢
Right? This young man is barely more than skin and bones himself!
Right? This young man is barely more than skin and bones himself!
In his jail calls he is complaining about how the guys in there have no compassion for him because of his sprained ankle. And also complaining about not getting enough food. The nerve of him
His phone calls begging for $ and people sending it. His fiance...."baby girl" gross.
@@sandraderby1628 they are both just so hideous. I wonder what her husband thinks about her talking to a child killer
This morning I got out of the shower and was so cold, hurrying to dry off and get a bathrobe, and my thoughts went to Timothy. That poor child had to sit in ice cold water, not for a few minutes, but for hours. Not to mention sauce so hot that one drop will bring a grown man to his knees. The wall sits, the starvation, the closet. How could any human being treat another that way?
Especially one's own child and brother.
And I don't feel sorry for Paul at all. I feel sorry that Timothy had to go thru that evil. He went thru more that didn't come out in trial. In fact most his life thanks to his evil brother.. And mother... But I blame Paul the most... He thought of these punishments.
@@vickiecampbell3638he learned from the best though. I had heard or read somewhere that he always bullied Timothy when they were younger and together. There was something in there about SA.
I feel the same way, when I warm up the bath water for my daughter... and it's still cold... I think of Timothy. Pure Torture.
You can tell he’s terrified of her. He even glances over at her quickly when he says that he made Timothy some “regular”‘food. She mentally backed him into a corner and forced him to participate in her wrong doings. He needs help. This is so heartbreaking. Such an evil woman to do this to her children.
Over a year and one time he fed his brother real food.
I do not believe he was terrified of her. That look was of anger
And betrayal for her lies. But fear no
He doesn't look terrified of her
Orobabky because for once in his life he feels safe despite being in custody. He glances over because he was most likely conditioned for so long that he was used to looking to her for validation. I hope he gets a real chance at life because he clearly was abused severely
Why is the son handcuffed while giving evidence and yet the mother sits there uncuffed?
That boy is a victim too. So distressing
Right?
This is only her trial. She is not cuffed because it causes bias. He's cuffed because he's being held and not currently tried.
@@kpalms9959yes exactly. It’s her constitutional right.
True!!
She "allegedly" tortured her son...she should have no rights.
He’s a sadistic pos. “ As per Shanda’s orders.” Is no excuse.
The judge nailed it during his sentencing.
What a manipulator, faking that he hurts when he describes torturing his brother. Thank God the judge saw through all his lies and manipulation. He makes me sick in my stomach. The judge is right, he may be even worse than his mother. The speech the judge gave at his sentencing is something I will never forget
Thank you. Am glad there are people who see thru this act. They are both evil, but like the judge said Paul might be the more evil. If I had a small child and a someone HAD to babysit for me, I wouldn't want either, however if I Had to choose ONE.. It sure as heck would not be Paul.
The son testifying was also her victim. I couldn't finish watching and am heartbroken for both boys. There isn't a sentence harsh enough for this inhumane sicko!!! I've been a single mom of a very difficult teen daughter. I have a history of trauma I've been through. I deal with ptsd and depression. Never would I ever consider doing anything to hurt one of my children. It makes me more protective!!!
Yes Paul is a victim but only to a point. He was old enough to know better .... he was an adult....and he refused to obeyan order at one point but did not say he was punished so clearly there was no punishment for him from his mother. If he was a small child doing this it might be different but he was an adult. He had the power to help his brother. Call 911 for goodness sake. Get the police involved. But no he did not do that.
He knew it was wrong and admitted it. She also could have been treated like that in her childhood. Childhood trauma is not an excuse to help torture a child.
Well you don't know what you're talking about because he's a psychopath. He smiled SO hard when talking about the day his brother died when he couldn't stand on his own and had to be dragged to the ice bath and another time talking about how he'd make sure his brother was in uncomfortable positions in the ice bath. Pay attention lady. People like you falling for psychopaths are why they sometimes get let out early on appeal for "good behavior" . Your way of missing all of the signs is dangerous.
He could have saved his little brother and said he was as bad as his. He became as bad of an abuser as she was
He is not a victim. He is just as guilty
Paul Ferguson looks half starved!
Yes!!!!
Yes he does
He looks malnourished that narcissist woman does not love any of these kids
I’m sure jail is very terrifying for him. 1. Due to his charges 2. Due to his social delays, lack of street skills
She probably demanded he starve himself before he went in front of the judge and jury like being skinny is common in the household. Another thing, why isn't she in cuffs like him?
Paul is an abuser... He went from his brother to inmates. The way he spoke about treating a cellmate with austim told me EVERYTHING. Ask yourself, if he was so afraid of his mother why did he alert her to Timothy's behaviors? Why did she tell him he better not hit Timothy in another text? He is fooling allot of you all.
It’s obvious that he’s no all there and he is scared of her and is brainwashed and seeking her approval! I know what mental health, child abuse and brainwashing from my mother and an ex and Paul is clearly brainwashed, mentally unstable and was seeking his mother’s approval. his father was also a controlling narcissist so he was already used to a certain behavior and he was used to acting a very way to keep people happy, also it doesn’t take long to brainwash someone especially when they are HIGHLY HIGHLY INTELLIGENT like mom brags she is and Paul is a very weak minded individual seeking approval so I’m she it was successful almost overnight for her
No he isn't. He needs to be locked away and needs lots of therapy before he could ever live safely out on the streets. But he obviously has been abused all his life. He learned what to do to get approval. He enjoyed the power and control.
His own sister says he was a bully during her impact statement and the older brother had said he'd hoped she had changed. Had no idea it was happening because he lived on the East coast.
Timothy was that programmed to want and respond to food due to never getting any that the pizza roll was something that managed to bring him out of a comatose state when he was literally on the brink of death. That's so fkn sad.
She has absolutely ruined ALL of her kids ! This monster is nothing but PURE EVIL!!!!
I think Nolan, Millie and Gabriel are doing alright, aren't they?
He was trauma bonded to her.
This kid doesn't belong in jail. He belongs in intense therapy. He has been abused, manipulated and traumatized his whole life.
Agreed. He needs a lot of help but not jail
😢
Excellent comment.❤
Agreed 💯
Agreed. He needs to be in a mental institution in hopes to be rehabilitated.
This boy is downplaying his role him, and his mother were equally culpable. He enjoyed torturing his brother. He deserves every bit as much punishment maybe even more because I think that he is blaming his mother to make him look better I. reality he got off on it.
The brother should be in jail. There is no way that I would have allowed my brother to be tortured by anyone especially my mother.
He was the one doing the torturing.
What really bothers me the most and doesn’t sit well with me, is the fact that she gets to drink as much water as she wants to and gets to eat when she’s hungry yet her Special child Got Tortured to death 🤔😒
right !
Made me want to snatch that water bottle from her and say you don't get any more you are faking being thirsty
And the bih AIN'T even drinking the water her mouths closed she doesn't it to stall
@@msreneerr1109 oh yeah definitely, it gives her a few more seconds to think, SMH 🤦🏽♀️😒
I feel so sorry for Paul .obviously you can see he's on the spectrum of some kind of autism. This mother is pure evil or used her son to make life easier for her😢
Absolutely heartbreaking that a mother would first do what she did to her own child then try to pin it on her other child. I knew when I seen the bodycam that she was faking. No tears. and she kept turning off the sobs to say random things about how timothy fell down the stairs and how he just ate last night, and she was trying to coach her son in front of the police. She just sits there and lets her attorney hurt her other son. She deserves life behind bars, she is pure evil. Pure. Evil.
Say it louder for those in the back 🙌🏼I hope she rots in prison for what she did to those precious sons!!
That bodycam footage was soo UNBELIEVABLE! I had no knowledge of what the situation was & I instantly knew she was lying! Her "sobbing" was turned on n off like a light switch! Yet not 1 damn tear! 🤬
And she got life without parole right? That doesn't bring the other son back and this young man has to live with the fact that he helped to torture and kill his brother. 😢
This is exactly what I saw too he would answer the officers and she would chime in with no you did blah blah and change his answer…
She is dispictable!!! Horrible!! Pure evil!! Sociopath!!! Narcissist!!! Jailtime without possibility of parole, w/o good behavior!!! I wouldn't trust her with any pets either!!! Total menace!!! Monster!!
Poor Timothy! May he rest in peace, poor baby!!!
He was extremely autistic and had speech and motor impairments. He wasn't able to ask for food and other things, because of his disability. He wasn't able to communicate very well. She punished him for it.
Disgusting, how they both point the finger at each other.
They knew what they was doing to him was wrong!!
R.I.P. baby boy.
Prayers go out to you
These 2, mother and son, are monsters.
Seeing her sitting there smirking during her own child's cross-examination, like she's thinking they really got him with that recording, like the jury isn't going to believe him because he got a deal, like she's going to get out of this, makes my blood boil. And it makes me even more thankful that she was found GUILTY and is going to spend the rest of her life in prison. And if there's any real justice in the world, the other women in there are going to make her life as miserable as she made Timothy's.
I hope you're right!!! I hope the other inmates somehow see this!
Agreed. She seemed to be down about 15lbs... So, seems they're giving her a taste of her own hot sauce.
Did you hear her say that she was unable to eat for a month? Well, boo f ing hoo! The audacity of that Evil Witch!
Unfortunately women don't run by the same rules as men in prison. She's probably going to be seen as a victim from all the other people in there for doing the exact same thing. Plus she's a lawyer she's going to be a hit in prison helping people with lawsuits and everything that goes along with having power in prison. Retaliation is very unlikely to happen the opposite is more like the happen like I said
@@yungprice6186 she wasn't a lawyer. She was a court reporter and then for a short time, a clerk.
If you can't trust you Mother OR your Brother, who in God's name CAN you trust. My heart breaks for poor young Timothy. 💔😢
Rip timothy
Fly high
I know, a mom is supposed to be the one who always looks out for your best interest
@@StarIsMyCatsNamein an ideal world. Not this one.
This cross examination did not help her case. What a sick excuse for a parent.
I just cannot keep listening to her attorney. He could barely speak as it is. He knew that he did not have a case.
I listened to a phone call while he was in jail. He made a list of "rules" for an autistic cell mate. He has learned nothing. I tried to give him the benefit of a doubt because of his mother but i think the judge got it exactly right. He doesn't feel bad about Timothy. He feels bad that he got caught. I hope he feels just a small part of the torture that he put Timothy through for the next 30 years. He's just as evil as she is
Ik ... he desperately wants to be found autistic to get a lighter sentence but calls anyone w autism stupid and annoying and anyone that annoys him autistic
I feel for Paul. He was abused and manipulated since his first contact with the evil one. I hope he is offered help and support going forward
I don't feel sorry for that jerk one bit!! He should have notified the authorities, or told a neighbor, his boss, etc. He is just as guilty and just as evil, not to mention a rotten toothed dork!
@JB-zi6wf while I agree with you, he should of notified the authorities and or have taken Timothy out of the house. It is though most likely, he was scared of her. Living with psychopathic monster of a mother, and being gaslight by her for years, most likely, I am sure he had developed some coping or disassociation trauma. He does not look mentally sound.
I think it's great he decided to testify against her though.
He knew better. He needs jail.
@@xru100 He looks "shell shocked" like a prisoner of war would after years of confinement and abuse. 😟. His grimace and shrinking inward when he thinks he made a mistake or doesn't comprehend a question...like a beaten dog, expecting another blow!!
Does anyone remember the young male character in the movie Psycho, played by Anthony Perkins???!!
Remember how after years of abuse and control by his insane mother, he didn't have his own identity, so he merged with, and took over hers???!!? 👀
@@BobSmith-ll9olyou can tell he has mental issues as well.. not condoning his actions…but there are a lot of domestic violence cases where the victims are scared to come forward. I think he was scared of what his mother would do to him, seeing what she did to his own brother. Sas case all around.
So Shanda wants him to quit taking medicine. She knows he’s got several diagnoses. They run out of medicine and she’s not contacting a doctor. Her son starts acting out and his behaviour is becoming really hard to handle and she’s correcting him with torture??!! It’s absolutely insane. The whole "homeschooling" business can be so dangerous. It should be supervised at least once a month.
This sounds so demented to me!!!!
Thank you for saying it straight.
It's torture.
Many of these "techniques" are no longer allowed under law, when questioning suspected terrorists.
He was just a child. It's unforgivable.
@@luluadapa5222 not even just suspected. Known terrorists. We can't legally do these things to KNOWN terrorists. That poor young man 😢
Children who are ADHD, and not taking their meds, want to eat ALL DAY LONG. They are hungry all the time.
Right and seriously nobody knew anything was going on in this house. Like in laws, hubby that was not there just seems like people turned a blind eye. Why did his father even ask her to take him? He knew she was not supposed to have custody due to past issues with Timothy. Why didn’t he send him to Child services he would have been better off. All sound like sick dysfunctional people. They all failed this kid.
She is "sooooo smart" but she forgot that his son could spill the beans of all her evil done
I can’t believe that he dragged him to the bathroom and he didn’t have enough compassion to pick him up or call for help knowing he was dying
Right 😪 Heartbreaking.
Heart breaking
Phsycopaths have no empathy for their victims.
This young man was intimidated and manipulated into mistreating and abusing his brother by their mother. Serious consideration should be given to providing him with mental health resources rather than locking him up.
Agree 💯
For real! He is a victim too like she did this to one son, how do you think she treated the other two, it wasn't strictly because he had ASD. It's strictly because she's a depraved sick woman
Paul knowingly had a role in his brothers death. Autistic or not, you know when someone is suffering and at your hands. He tortured him in ice baths when his mom wasn’t home, worked at a restaurant and never snuck his dying brother food. Paul admitted he never loved him. He is just as guilty for homicide. He knows right from wrong, most victims would escape, even if scared.
@spellcaster3900 l agree,, and l believe this is why he is also testifying against his mother knowing it is going to get him alot of jail time too,, His mother is trying to blame it all on Paul,, He knows what he did was also wrong, but by the direction of his mother l do not believe he would of hurt his brother the way he did,, But he is clearly just as quilty!!
@@JanetMariaGibson I don't think Paul is diagnosed but Timothy was, that's what I was referring to with ASD comment, but after watching his testimony I feel Paul is probably on the spectrum and has been dominated, controled, and terrified of his mother and followed her orders or else what might happen to him.
She doesn’t see him as her son anymore. He is now the enemy. She has no feeling or emotional depth.
she never did lol. people with no love need to return to the father and let him make their hearts clear again. too many people judging. btw emotions are not meant to be identified with they pull you into ego
Not that she EVER did! 😢 😮
She never did!! I am just now watching the trial because she looks so evil. During her testimony I wanted to yank that bottle of water they gave her. She deserves no average comforts PERIOD
Hope Paul gets the worst of it in prison. Absolute clown.
Lurch thought he was possibly going to escape prison altogether if he could flunk his psych evals per his jail calls.
Lurch???😅 No you didn't!
@@vickiecampbell3638Pretty correct tho right?! 😅
@@Sarah24871 💯. Lol
Why is everyone saying the fear he had because of his mother? What fear? His only concern was not being able to play Minecraft for 15 minutes. He got normal food. He wasn’t tortured by his own brother. Imagine the FEAR of Timothy seeing his brother coming with the hot sauce again!!! Starving and the only thing you’re FORCED to eat is 2 million Scoville heat index hot sauce on bread! I hope everyone who pities this son goes and watches a video on hot pepper sauce challenge!!! The people are in AGONY and that’s just a little bit of sauce. This poor boy was given bread drenched in it as his only food source. The videos go into detail how painful it is in the mouth as well as the painful burning in the stomach and what comes out later after digestion. This is the house of horrors and he participated in it 50/50. He had all the opportunities in the world to speak out!!! Call a family member. Something!!!! But no, poor him.
After reading your comment, I’ve changed my opinion a bit. I did feel almost sorry for Paul because I’m sure he was abused by both parents and I think he has some type of developmental disability too. But you’re absolutely right he could’ve spoken up at any point and asked someone else for help for his brother. He could’ve refused to do the things that his mother was telling him to do. I think I was thinking of Paul as the victim as well as Timothy. I have been so wrong!
@@ShelleyC74you’re right. He is 100% on the spectrum himself…
im so glad you've commented this!whilst i have some sympathy for the son who assisted in Timothy's death,he didn't have the pitiful life that his brother did. im not sure how much pauls medical conditions affected his decision making,but as the messages clearly showed,he knew when Timothy was starving & malnourished & was needing a proper meal.if he genuinely was fearful of that evil woman who gave birth to them,he would never have challenged her in trying to get food to his dying brother in the text messages. whilst, caring for a son who is on the spectrum would not have been easy at all, as far as im aware, at no point did she reach out for any help. nope.she went straight to child abuse and neglect as a 'coping' strategy.i hope in jail,she gets sorted out real good & reminded that she should have treasured all her children
I’m sorry anyone can see he to was victimized…I would be willing to bet he received the brunt of her wrath before Timothy came into the picture. Yes he needs some accountability but he knew what would happen to him if he didn’t follow her orders to a T. She knew no bounds! He obviously has intelligence but she has made sure he was dependent on her….
I agree with your statement but I believe that he wasn’t afraid more so brainwashed by his birth giver
This defendant is more than old enough to understand right from wrong. This is an evil person. I am taken back by the comment section. This kid could have simply just stopped and gone to the police, there are a plethora of opportunities for him to go to the police or school board and address the situation. He chose to follow through with every torture request and even suggested some as well...
Does anyone else pick up incest vibes between Paul and Shanda?
This kid gives me serial killer vibes.. Creepy
Imagine how scared that boy was every time he heard footsteps coming towards his room,,,,omg! 😢
I can't imagine the dread and the fear he felt😢
It's sickening that the mother's attorney is trying to blame Paul.
It is, but he is her attorney and he is doing his job.
I saw a bit of an interview with him where he said this case was hard on him, as it should be it's horrendous.
But he has a job to do, and he has to do it as well as possible.
It's not personal.
And in any case, Paul isn't innocent!
Per her orders. ...
@@us4damons Sad but true .
That's exactly what their plan was... He doesn't deserve to go to prison over her using mind control over him like she did. He knew if he didn't do what she said he would be next
How does Paul remember all of these big words and things... But he couldn't understand at first what he was saying when he asked about who's mom she was
Poor Timothy 😢😢😢 he went through hell because of these monsters.
The worst thing about this case is :placing Tim in a cold bath while he was unable to move nor get out of bath .
Just thinking about it makes me clinch my fist 😢
Wayching her sit there and shake her head trying to deny what her son is saying pisses me off to no end
What is this lawyer trying to prove? He admitted he lied at first
The boy is owning up to his mistakes yet she can’t . She rather have her son take the fall?
Sometimes when people have disorders they have to be shown a different way to look at things, it’s the way there brain works
IKR !!
I felt really bad for him until I read more
My heart breaks for Timothy and Paul. I have a son similar to Timothy, so this testimony is very disturbing and extremely heartbreaking. I pray Paul receives the help he needs and NOT in a prison.
Paul could have at least fed his brother Timothy when he was alone at home with him. Paul is a 20 year old man. He knew his brother was starving.
He was being monitored 24/7.
@@rilenixx have you seen his mother? Paul is scared shit less of her and it clearly seems like he has a few disability as well
@@maryrichardson6457I was just gona say that lol
@@rilenixxHe did feed him and she was surprised that he'd done that! He was being monitored and controlled constantly.
They are both evil and enjoyed torturing this child.
Paul was failed by both parents. He was petrified of his biological father, who beat him frequently to a pulp , he will hurt him with a belt , the physical punishments traumatized him. Then he comes to live with his Bio mother, a very smart woman, she brainwashed him to think that ALL she did was for love and for the good of her kids. He wholeheartedly trusted her. He is still a child, barely 20yrs old. When Timothy died he was in shock , I saw the video. He could not understand how that happened. I believe Paul has suffered ENOUGH. He never got the love and care he so desperately wanted to seek in his mother. Petrified his mom will send him back to the abuser father and trusting her supreme judgement, he failed his brother, but he had no choice, he didn’t know better, or had many other alternatives in life. He should not be held responsible for the actions of his demon mother.
The amount of cruelty is beyond evil.
War Criminals have nothin on these grusome twosome. They were a TEAM. HE WAS THEIR OBSESSION
From BOTH of them. Paul is no better
Wake up..
This just touches the surface of horror...
😅 seriously
@@93FilmsandMediawe call him Lurch
@@curtissea5340and that is amusing somehow?
In the end Paul did the right thing by telling the truth. As wrong as it is if not for his testimony she’d likely not serve her life in jail as she should.
He’s taking responsibility unlike his vile mother.
Taking responsibility means that you set yourself aside to take the consequences as they are. He made a deal before giving this testimony, he made sure to save himself first even though he was fully apart of the torture of this child- even instructed by someone else he still did these things to his brother when he could have said no, called 911, stuck up for this child. Etc. My point is he only took responsibility once he knew it was safe for him to lay it all out and not get himself into any deeper trouble. That makes him pretty close to just as vile as she is, the reason someone tells the truth is just as important as telling the truth and his reasons were selfish. Imo.
He is clearly disabled himself. He truly thought he was doing what he was supposed to. The things he did aren't shocking for someone who is neurodivergent like saying he was going to off Timothy himself. He was SICK of dealing with it BECAUSE of SHANDA!!!!!!!! She was constantly ON PAUL because of Timothy so it's not at all shocking hed say those things. @@Myosotis.journaling
There was enough proof for her to serve a life sentence without his testimony.
He's not taking responsibility for anything! He took a plea deal and is placing ALL the blame on psyco Shanda.
I would say that you are not as correct as you think. I am sure that the deal was something his attorney came up with for his client.
The deal as the judge laid out was possible consideration. Does not mean anything in his favor will happen.
I've seen cases where sons have moved out and have a controlling extremely dominant mother (in reference only) that has been so controlling that she calls them to come now and help her dispose of their sister or her body and they do. And when questioned about it and asked why they did it they responded that if they didn't she would do to them what she did to their sister.
In their mind it was their only option if they wanted to live.
So for Paul to think that he had no option is not any kind of stretch. And I am sure that that is the best explanation for his cooperation. He sees the system as the bigger bully even if they did not bully him. He truly may have remorse, he fed Timothy behind her back. Self preservation against a dictators' wrath is strong motivation.
He's likely to get more consideration testifying as it's the right thing vs a guaranteed deal, which he did not have any form of with the judge.
He's technically still a child himself @@Myosotis.journaling
I don’t understand
Why he didn’t take his brother to hospital,police or someone when mother was in work
He could save his life
It’s because he enjoyed being the bully. He loved having control. He tortured animals in the past and also SA’d his younger brother when he was 9. This is an inherently evil person
This kid could easily become a Jeffery Dahmer
His eyes are creepy
Thanks to his mom mentally abusing him for years
1:50:12 Paul: "I supposed I believed mothers know best, if you have the right ones they do". That was my favorite part aside of the all horrible parts in this whole testomy. Was like he was taking his dignity back right in her face for all she's wronged in his life and especially Timothys. Hope one day he gets to experience real love cause i can tell if he would have been raised better he probably would have actually done something positive with his life. Least he wants justice for his brother and is taking accountability for his actions.
My favorite part is when he talks about specifics on where she threw away the evidence and he glances over at her like “this is it, screw you.” It was all in his eyes. I hope he gets some relief from this…. I feel bad to a certain extent. She clearly manipulated him. 💔
@@JanetMariaGibson You said that perfectly and makes so much sense. So sad that she just didnt give up Timothy to someone who could just care for him with his needs. Instead of basically treating that poor boy as if he was in an Auschwitz Concentration Camp. And everyone else has to suffer with the guilt in the family cause they probably had no clue or maybe she intimidated them as well to keep there distance. She just is the definition of evil. Hope they dont make things easy for her in prison and I'm usually not a tit for tat kinda person but what she did is not forgivable when it comes to the innocents of a child.
But I guess he also now realizes that he has been so naive in trusting his "mother's" judgment blindly....
@@RUKAN545 You can honestly see it all in his demeanor, his eyes and just the way he seem so cautious through the whole testomy.....hes scared but trying to regain courage. Definitely was abused as well and manipulated.
That specific part broke my heart. This poor young man trusted his mom. He’s never experienced true love. I hope she is tormented in jail for the rest of her life. And I Pray that Gods justice will be served even after her death. What a horrible disgusting person.
Cases where an abusive parent scapegoats a child and manipulates the other children into accepting and participating in the abuse are just staggeringly horrible.
I hope that "mom" never leaves prison.
How wld he get out of his duty to torture his brother? He could of rung the police
@@natalieanton8635 that's the simple answer for people who have a very clear set of boundaries, and sense of justice, and usually what we call " just world" belief. What proportion of the population do you think has all three traits?
@@devilinav7494he worked he could have called the police or he could have oh my grown up and moved out don't make excuses he's evil just like his mother
I hope she gets prison justice.
This whole meek, timid act he's putting on the stand, is just that. An act. He hurt Timothy in one other horrible way that isnt mentioned in the trial, i dont think. But if you use your imagination you can figure out what I'm talking about. Plus abusing animals as a kid... He's a sick pup.
Yep I don't know why some people can't figure that out or see that. What you are speaking of it has came out but not sure if it came out in trial. I think I heard it from his records. But I knew it before even hearing it, just like you did.
He could have ran away with a friend with a girlfriend and called child protective services anonymously, but he chose to have a roof over his head.
By the way, every murderer has a reason why they’re doing it they have a mental disorder or was abused as a child . It does not excuse what they do.
Wow! The glances he’s giving her are chilling!!! And a tell all! Like he’s saying I’m telling the truth the whole truth and there’s nothing you can do about it!!! What an evil monster she is
both of them are.
He's just as bad as her. If you listen to his jailhouse phonecalls you will understand how totally selfish and manipulative he is. He is faking being scared and when he scrunches his face up he is stifling a smirk. He has no learning disabilities whatsoever and was kicked out of is fathers home for hurting and bullying his younger siblings. He was officially being diagnosed as a phsycopath when he turned 18.
This kid doesn’t need jail …. He needs years of intensive psychiatric treatment
I absolutely agree with you
He needs prison for the willingness to engage in child abuse and torture. He was 19 years old when his brother was murdered. He had many chances to save him but chose not to. He is a cold psychopath like his mother.
@@LoveMyBoys3. I disagree. This kid is a victim. Brainwashed from childhood , ruined by a psychopath.
Agree, although, IMO, he needs to pay for his part in this nightmare.
I believe he did what he did in order to survive the horrible lot and circumstance that he was also subjected to in life.
At least he will finally have adequate medical treatment as I doubt that he has ever had adequate health care, nutrition, dental care, nor therapy throughout his young start in life. I hope he finds his voice, solace, and relief as he step by step gets further away in time and with historical reflection to realize that he was a victim too in his impossible past where torture was the status quo.
@@oNeGiAnTLiEhow so you know he was abused? he lived with his father until a few months before timothy moved there too.
He thought his testimony was going to get some pizza 🍕 rolls from the judge, but judge took them away during sentencing.
Does anyone else see how every time he says something that he KNOWS is going to look bad for Shonda (co-conspirator) he glances at her? I find that really interesting…