@zetetic0void Exactly right. The end of the last ice age is when people started settling down into agricultural, large communities. What do we know about the thawing ice age at that time? There were many ice damns in valleys around the world, holding back lots of melt water. These damns broke, not all at once, but basically you get many local massive flooding events. Their "whole world" floods. Of course these people would contribute this to the gods and create legends and stories from these.
@Gaaminator My main point out of all this is that once you take the leap of faith on taking Bible or any other holy book as your source of evidence, there is no much to be discussed on absurdity or not. It's your position that whatever the Bible says must be true and that's why I must insist if you have a direct answer to my question. Would really make a difference or not the amount of days? Is there a limit to what you could stop and think it's absurd the flood story?
@ggiahehsoo - It is known that the ancient greeks and chinese found dinosaur bones, didn't know what they were, and thus you have the birth of the "cyclops" and "dragon" legends. Is it possible that the bible is doing the same thing, or are you really saying that dinosaurs lived 5,000 years ago?
@Gaaminator Please, if you have an answer, let me know. I'm not really interested in delonging this discussion. If you are going to reply me on any thing, please be on what I have been asking you for some posts now. thanks.
@Gaaminator 285 days and counting ... After 86 more days the earth had dried to the point where they could depart from the ark (Genesis 8:13-14). Yeap, about 370+ days. If you doubt it, check your Christians sites. What do they teach in Sunday school these days? Now, to the point. What do you really care? If the Bible said it had last over 1 day or over a century, you would still believed. What difference does it make to you? Really?
@Gaaminator There are no sources outside the Bible. Gaarminator. And if you are really interested in how the Bible was written, there are by now many historic research on it. And you will find in your research also contradictions on the 4 stories. And before you even take the rode to say that it's my account, you better know that the contradictions are even famous. You can find them easily as well like the flood's interpretation that I mention. I see no point in placing here verses over verses.
@Gaaminator Hey, are we going down to name calling now? That may be your Christian attitude but I'll keep treating you with the respect that you may not deserve anymore after you resorted to name calling. Listen, I myself couldn't care less if it said 40 or 370. It's the same absurdity to me. As I said, this calculation can be found in most Christian sites, so if you want to call anybody stupid for it, please go ahead and post a comment for your fellow Christians...
@Gaaminator I'm starting feeling sorry for you. Because it seems you really do not know your Bible enough to even discuss it. I don't want to break your heart showing the contradictions on it. ( And how reliable is a source that can not even keep it straight right?). But here it goes. Genesis 7:17 "And the flood was forty days upon the earth." Then Genesis 7:24 "And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred " ...
So many flaws. Ark too small, animals to old and too large, Dinosaurs are missing, (they were aboard the Ark.) Running from lions that didn't eat meat until after the flood.
@Gaaminator It's not a theory, it's a fable. And the way you change the discussion says it all, 'well,...'. Never even bothering to think about the difference between what you first assumed ( 40 days, what already be enough to kill many) to 370 days!! What do you think about that? And no, they did not find Noah's Ark, again! Like always, desperate 'Christian' archeologists find wood and claim to be the ark, not even allowing real scientists to analyze it.
@deserteagle347 "The creator of this world can certainly make scientific impossibilities occur." Because of that statement, I am not even going to waste my time arguing with you, as you have thrown out rationality all together. You have structured your god "theory" so that no evidence of any kind can falsify it. If you would like to have a debate based on logic and evidence, I am game. If you don't want to use logic and evidence, well then I guess that says alot about the validity of your claim.
@Gaaminator " We know the gospel of John was either written by John himself in his old age or his disciple". Humm.. no. 'We' do not know that. 'You' take that, on faith. "A witness of a witness is still a witness". What? In what country? Ask any judge for a basics on reliability. What a nonsense Gaaminator. I have a friend of a friend of a friend that told me that. Is this really your standard of reliability?
(1) Why I don't stand behind deer. (2) Why I won't rope a giraff from a tree. (3) Why I never play with reptiles. (4) Who needs those birds anyway? (5) Why I don't take ostriches for a walk. (6) Why I reserch before I start building. (7) Why there are no Jacolope today. (8) See #3 (9) Why I don't play with cats. (10) Promise or not.. I would have killed the other one too.
@Gaaminator Lol. Did God planned the food? Or the poop that they would have to clean? And animals survive according to their climate, did God planned snow and desert climate inside the Ark? Did the lions behaved nicely ? What a bunch of lunacy.
@Gaaminator Opss.. no wait. There's more: Gen 8:3 "And the waters returned from off the earth continually: and after the end of the one hundred and fifty days the waters were abated". And there is more. Do you want it? Jeez, which one to pick? Hummm... What do you think? Let's just adopt the tactic of changing the matter and blabling about Moses right?
@Gaaminator And by way, the time of the flood can be found in religious websites if you still has trouble reading your Bible. So, either Christian sites are liars or your Bible is one pretty contraditory book. Ops, that would be the case for several things actually. There are various examples of contradiction in the Bible. Documented by its own verses. But I don't suppose you ever noticed or would care about this too, so why bother, right?
@Gaaminator Yes, sure. There is a story of a world wide flood and therefore the story in the Bible is true. No matter how impossible would be the statistics of the adventure. Case closed.
@Gaaminator Fetch a Bible. An atheist will teach you if your pastor won't. I guess they don't make Christians like they used to. - First the rain fell for 40 days (Genesis 7:4.) - Then the waters prevailed upon the earth for 110 days (Genesis 7:24). - Next, the waters were "going and decreasing" for 74 days (Genesis 8:5). - After 40 more days Noah sent out the raven (Genesis 8:6-7). Are you counting? So far 264 days... cont..
@Gaaminator Now, I'm curious. Are you really hoping this was 40 days? Meaning that even you would have a limit of absurd and if indeed you see that the Bible ( and religious interpretations) clearly presents the flood as a whooping 370 days, even you would THEN say... wait a minute. 40 days I could swallow but 370? No, then I have to rethink this thing. Are you serious here? Tell me. What difference would make to you? That would be finally your wake up call? I kind of doubt that.
@Gaaminator sigh... Gaaminator, as I said, do your research. The church just wish these could be really taken as definitive proof. If you are interested, you will get outside religious source and find what is serious, not propaganda. If you think these mentions are new to me, you are mistaken. I started as a Catholic. Been there, done that, researched. Get me what I do not know it and I'll take a look.
@Gaaminator What difference would make to you if it was 40 or 370 days? Do you have a limit of absurdity? What would make you stop and think.. wait a minute. THAT I can not swallow? Say it. It does not matter. It could be written that the flood is still happening and that would be all it takes for you, right? 40 or 370 or 3700. If it's in the Bible, it has to be true, right?
@Gaaminator 264 days and counting... - After 7 more days Noah sent out the dove for the first time (Genesis 8:8 and compare 8:10). - After 7 more days he sent the dove for the second time (Genesis 8:10). - After 7 more days Noah sent out the dove for the third time (Genesis 8:12). Still there? So far 285 days ... Cont ..
@Gaaminator 'The point is There was a world wide flood and every single culture has a story of a world wide flood". Yes Gaaminator, and from this I think we can jump and assume that 1: the flood really happened; then go ahead and say it was global (imagining how someone could know that in ancient times) ; and finally, conclude that the Bible is right. Details about how this would be possible are put on the 'everything is possible for God' and there you go, it is a fact !
@Gaaminator Listen. If we are going to discuss, we need at least some level of honesty in here and I don't think how can I be taking things out of context if I am proving to you the verse. IN the context. It's there. It seems that it's you that must suffer of some sort of dislexia and can't read. And again, it's not my interpretation. It's the religious interpretation. Do you want the Christian links?
@ggiahehsoo Yes, the bible does say that. But my previous point still stands, that is, why are those stories any different from the ancient chinese stories of dragons, and the greek stories of giant cyclops? Why would you think that the bible story is accurate history, and not just a myth like the previously mentioned ones? Especially with the HUGE amount of evidence that points to dinosaurs being millions of years old, it should be obvious that these are just stories.
@judoyodan it's not a matter of being stupid or ignorant. The problem is the people who believe this stuff don't have a good grasp of psychology/critical thinking. Even if you were to try to educate them out of these type of beliefs they would fight your info as to not upset what they already know. It's just how the mind works unfortunately. They are trained to think that way. Once you are indoctrinated into beliefs it is very difficult to escape that way of thinking.
@Gaaminator Wait, I don't mean to pound on you. And I'm really curious now about your answer to what would be different if you saw that the Bible says it was 370 instead of 40 days. What difference would that make to you? None, right? Come on. I just want to hear you say it.
@Gaaminator Oh right, the gospels! Since you are saying 'witnesses' I have to think you must have no idea that the gospels were written OVER A HUNDRED YEAR after Jesus. And the gospels were really anonymous. So much for witnesses, huh? So, let's summarize. You base your evidence of everything on a book that has tons of contradictions. And on top of that, you seems to be in the selected few (even among religious) that does not know that the gospels were not written by eye witnesses of Jesus life.
hey @tableturns77 if you can't use spell check you probably shouldn't express you're closed minded opion, have fun where you're going, don't forget to pack some ice water!
@Gaaminator And it just hit me. I am really discussing with someone who actually believes in this fable. Even most religious don't take the Bible as literal thing. How come did we get to this point in US? Or maybe you are from Turkey? How an educated country raises people believing in a story that even children could spot as impossible? And I guess I just make this worse by actually engaging in the discussion as if there was even the possibility of a giant Ark. And with dinosaurs! Is this real?
@Gaaminator Please google a little and pick the Christian sites that writes about the flood lasting 370 days and let them now how stupid they are. I would agree with you actually. Not for the same reason but nonetheless, it would be funny to see your face reading that it's not ME interpreting the Bible in here. And my answer? Do you have it or not?
@deserteagle347 It was reading the bible that made me an atheist in the first place. Nice try though. I can tell that it is you who hasn't read it, saying that "every word in it is true" is absolutely hilarious. Even if we don't consider the MANY scientific impossibilities, and use just the stories themselves, every word can't be true; because there are so many internal contradictions. For example, in genesis, which came first, humans or the other animals? Check it out.
@lovemrdarcy Also, this shows you low standards for believing in anything. Even if a man called Jesus ever existed, how can you automatically take that the stories in the Bible are real? Fables are born like this. By your logic, I can then assume that count Dracula existed -- because there is vague mentions of a historic figure. And then go ahead and believe in the fable created by written stories about him and there you go, you believe in vampires. That's the line you take in here. Gullible.
I live in the U.S, sadly, my dad and grandparents believe this story to be true. I tend to feel sorry for them, because they are living in the superstitious past, instead of seeing the universe for the truly amazing thing that it is through the knowledge that science has revealed. It is depressing when you look down on your elders because of the immaturity of their rationality. It should be the other way around.
So that's what happened to the Jackalope..
same goes for the Unicorn
0:25 dude, that's why God hired Noah to make the ark entrance way big enough for even the biggest land animals to get in
This is priceless
A jackalope is a hybrid between deer and rabbit
Very funny commercial.
@zetetic0void Exactly right. The end of the last ice age is when people started settling down into agricultural, large communities. What do we know about the thawing ice age at that time? There were many ice damns in valleys around the world, holding back lots of melt water. These damns broke, not all at once, but basically you get many local massive flooding events. Their "whole world" floods. Of course these people would contribute this to the gods and create legends and stories from these.
0:26 Why won't Noah fit the african elephants and 0:18 rope a giraffe from a tree?
@Gaaminator My main point out of all this is that once you take the leap of faith on taking Bible or any other holy book as your source of evidence, there is no much to be discussed on absurdity or not. It's your position that whatever the Bible says must be true and that's why I must insist if you have a direct answer to my question. Would really make a difference or not the amount of days? Is there a limit to what you could stop and think it's absurd the flood story?
@ggiahehsoo - It is known that the ancient greeks and chinese found dinosaur bones, didn't know what they were, and thus you have the birth of the "cyclops" and "dragon" legends. Is it possible that the bible is doing the same thing, or are you really saying that dinosaurs lived 5,000 years ago?
Dinosaurs were extinct at that time.
lol. funnnyyyy
whered duh dinosaurs and those mammoths
@Gaaminator Please, if you have an answer, let me know. I'm not really interested in delonging this discussion. If you are going to reply me on any thing, please be on what I have been asking you for some posts now. thanks.
@Gaaminator 285 days and counting ...
After 86 more days the earth had dried to the point where they could depart from the ark (Genesis 8:13-14).
Yeap, about 370+ days. If you doubt it, check your Christians sites.
What do they teach in Sunday school these days?
Now, to the point. What do you really care? If the Bible said it had last over 1 day or over a century, you would still believed.
What difference does it make to you? Really?
@Gaaminator There are no sources outside the Bible. Gaarminator. And if you are really interested in how the Bible was written, there are by now many historic research on it. And you will find in your research also contradictions on the 4 stories. And before you even take the rode to say that it's my account, you better know that the contradictions are even famous. You can find them easily as well like the flood's interpretation that I mention. I see no point in placing here verses over verses.
take @Organdonnor for example...
@Gaaminator Hey, are we going down to name calling now? That may be your Christian attitude but I'll keep treating you with the respect that you may not deserve anymore after you resorted to name calling. Listen, I myself couldn't care less if it said 40 or 370. It's the same absurdity to me. As I said, this calculation can be found in most Christian sites, so if you want to call anybody stupid for it, please go ahead and post a comment for your fellow Christians...
@judoyodan it is real they even might of have found it not 100% sure , but 99.9% SURE SO YE3AH!
@Gaaminator I'm starting feeling sorry for you. Because it seems you really do not know your Bible enough to even discuss it. I don't want to break your heart showing the contradictions on it. ( And how reliable is a source that can not even keep it straight right?). But here it goes. Genesis 7:17 "And the flood was forty days upon the earth." Then Genesis 7:24 "And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred " ...
So many flaws. Ark too small, animals to old and too large, Dinosaurs are missing, (they were aboard the Ark.) Running from lions that didn't eat meat until after the flood.
@Gaaminator It's not a theory, it's a fable. And the way you change the discussion says it all, 'well,...'. Never even bothering to think about the difference between what you first assumed ( 40 days, what already be enough to kill many) to 370 days!! What do you think about that? And no, they did not find Noah's Ark, again! Like always, desperate 'Christian' archeologists find wood and claim to be the ark, not even allowing real scientists to analyze it.
@deserteagle347 "The creator of this world can certainly make scientific impossibilities occur." Because of that statement, I am not even going to waste my time arguing with you, as you have thrown out rationality all together. You have structured your god "theory" so that no evidence of any kind can falsify it. If you would like to have a debate based on logic and evidence, I am game. If you don't want to use logic and evidence, well then I guess that says alot about the validity of your claim.
@Gaaminator " We know the gospel of John was either written by John himself in his old age or his disciple". Humm.. no. 'We' do not know that. 'You' take that, on faith. "A witness of a witness is still a witness". What? In what country? Ask any judge for a basics on reliability. What a nonsense Gaaminator. I have a friend of a friend of a friend that told me that. Is this really your standard of reliability?
(1) Why I don't stand behind deer.
(2) Why I won't rope a giraff from a tree.
(3) Why I never play with reptiles.
(4) Who needs those birds anyway?
(5) Why I don't take ostriches for a walk.
(6) Why I reserch before I start building.
(7) Why there are no Jacolope today.
(8) See #3
(9) Why I don't play with cats.
(10) Promise or not.. I would have killed the other one too.
Remember: Amatuers built the Ark. PROFESIONALS built the Titanic.
+Harrison Wilkinson
Which one made it to its destination?
Now THIS is funny XD
...and he still forgot the unicorns.
hey, here is a solution, get the babies.
@Gaaminator Stop dodging my question. What difference does it make if 40, 370 or 3700? Do you have a limit for absurdity or not?
@Gaaminator Lol. Did God planned the food? Or the poop that they would have to clean? And animals survive according to their climate, did God planned snow and desert climate inside the Ark? Did the lions behaved nicely ? What a bunch of lunacy.
good one
Wow, so that answers it all!
Believe it or not, some people in the USA still think this story is real.
It Is REAL ....
Epic beard.
Hilarious!!!!
Man, i would have let the misquitos die, Noah was a much better person then me :)
The St. Paul. Consider it done.
@Gaaminator Opss.. no wait. There's more: Gen 8:3 "And the waters returned from off the earth continually: and after the end of the one hundred and fifty days the waters were abated". And there is more. Do you want it? Jeez, which one to pick? Hummm... What do you think? Let's just adopt the tactic of changing the matter and blabling about Moses right?
@Gaaminator And by way, the time of the flood can be found in religious websites if you still has trouble reading your Bible. So, either Christian sites are liars or your Bible is one pretty contraditory book. Ops, that would be the case for several things actually. There are various examples of contradiction in the Bible. Documented by its own verses. But I don't suppose you ever noticed or would care about this too, so why bother, right?
lol, if that dont put the story of noah in perspective..nothing will, heheh
@Gaaminator Yes, sure. There is a story of a world wide flood and therefore the story in the Bible is true. No matter how impossible would be the statistics of the adventure. Case closed.
@Gaaminator Fetch a Bible. An atheist will teach you if your pastor won't. I guess they don't make Christians like they used to.
- First the rain fell for 40 days (Genesis 7:4.)
- Then the waters prevailed upon the earth for 110 days (Genesis 7:24).
- Next, the waters were "going and decreasing" for 74 days (Genesis 8:5).
- After 40 more days Noah sent out the raven (Genesis 8:6-7).
Are you counting? So far 264 days...
cont..
@globalchaos1984 with no parents, in the animal kingdom the mother sometimes leave its baby.
@Gaaminator Now, I'm curious. Are you really hoping this was 40 days? Meaning that even you would have a limit of absurd and if indeed you see that the Bible ( and religious interpretations) clearly presents the flood as a whooping 370 days, even you would THEN say... wait a minute. 40 days I could swallow but 370? No, then I have to rethink this thing. Are you serious here? Tell me. What difference would make to you? That would be finally your wake up call? I kind of doubt that.
@Gaaminator sigh... Gaaminator, as I said, do your research. The church just wish these could be really taken as definitive proof. If you are interested, you will get outside religious source and find what is serious, not propaganda. If you think these mentions are new to me, you are mistaken. I started as a Catholic. Been there, done that, researched. Get me what I do not know it and I'll take a look.
hehe funny
hahah
@Gaaminator What difference would make to you if it was 40 or 370 days? Do you have a limit of absurdity? What would make you stop and think.. wait a minute. THAT I can not swallow? Say it. It does not matter. It could be written that the flood is still happening and that would be all it takes for you, right? 40 or 370 or 3700. If it's in the Bible, it has to be true, right?
@Gaaminator 264 days and counting...
- After 7 more days Noah sent out the dove for the first time (Genesis 8:8 and compare 8:10).
- After 7 more days he sent the dove for the second time (Genesis 8:10).
- After 7 more days Noah sent out the dove for the third time (Genesis 8:12).
Still there? So far 285 days ...
Cont ..
@Gaaminator 'The point is There was a world wide flood and every single culture has a story of a world wide flood". Yes Gaaminator, and from this I think we can jump and assume that 1: the flood really happened; then go ahead and say it was global (imagining how someone could know that in ancient times) ; and finally, conclude that the Bible is right. Details about how this would be possible are put on the 'everything is possible for God' and there you go, it is a fact !
@Gaaminator Listen. If we are going to discuss, we need at least some level of honesty in here and I don't think how can I be taking things out of context if I am proving to you the verse. IN the context. It's there. It seems that it's you that must suffer of some sort of dislexia and can't read. And again, it's not my interpretation. It's the religious interpretation. Do you want the Christian links?
@judoyodan it is its in the bible :D
@ggiahehsoo Yes, the bible does say that. But my previous point still stands, that is, why are those stories any different from the ancient chinese stories of dragons, and the greek stories of giant cyclops? Why would you think that the bible story is accurate history, and not just a myth like the previously mentioned ones? Especially with the HUGE amount of evidence that points to dinosaurs being millions of years old, it should be obvious that these are just stories.
@judoyodan it's not a matter of being stupid or ignorant. The problem is the people who believe this stuff don't have a good grasp of psychology/critical thinking. Even if you were to try to educate them out of these type of beliefs they would fight your info as to not upset what they already know. It's just how the mind works unfortunately. They are trained to think that way. Once you are indoctrinated into beliefs it is very difficult to escape that way of thinking.
@Gaaminator Wait, I don't mean to pound on you. And I'm really curious now about your answer to what would be different if you saw that the Bible says it was 370 instead of 40 days. What difference would that make to you? None, right? Come on. I just want to hear you say it.
@Gaaminator Oh right, the gospels! Since you are saying 'witnesses' I have to think you must have no idea that the gospels were written OVER A HUNDRED YEAR after Jesus. And the gospels were really anonymous. So much for witnesses, huh? So, let's summarize. You base your evidence of everything on a book that has tons of contradictions. And on top of that, you seems to be in the selected few (even among religious) that does not know that the gospels were not written by eye witnesses of Jesus life.
so what happend to noah?
He became a fictional character in some book deal.
@4FunPlayin i'm not getting all dem babies you must be out yo damn mind most of them will drown
hey @tableturns77 if you can't use spell check you probably shouldn't express you're closed minded opion, have fun where you're going, don't forget to pack some ice water!
@Gaaminator And it just hit me. I am really discussing with someone who actually believes in this fable. Even most religious don't take the Bible as literal thing. How come did we get to this point in US? Or maybe you are from Turkey? How an educated country raises people believing in a story that even children could spot as impossible? And I guess I just make this worse by actually engaging in the discussion as if there was even the possibility of a giant Ark. And with dinosaurs! Is this real?
@116gaara I'm sure taking a baby lion away from its mother is much easier, lol.
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@Gaaminator Please google a little and pick the Christian sites that writes about the flood lasting 370 days and let them now how stupid they are. I would agree with you actually. Not for the same reason but nonetheless, it would be funny to see your face reading that it's not ME interpreting the Bible in here. And my answer? Do you have it or not?
@deserteagle347 It was reading the bible that made me an atheist in the first place. Nice try though. I can tell that it is you who hasn't read it, saying that "every word in it is true" is absolutely hilarious. Even if we don't consider the MANY scientific impossibilities, and use just the stories themselves, every word can't be true; because there are so many internal contradictions. For example, in genesis, which came first, humans or the other animals? Check it out.
addict!!! wahahaha .. funny.. but guys don't messed up with apostles of God. or HE will punish you..
@lovemrdarcy Also, this shows you low standards for believing in anything. Even if a man called Jesus ever existed, how can you automatically take that the stories in the Bible are real? Fables are born like this. By your logic, I can then assume that count Dracula existed -- because there is vague mentions of a historic figure. And then go ahead and believe in the fable created by written stories about him and there you go, you believe in vampires. That's the line you take in here. Gullible.
One of the main reasons I don't believe in God is this silly story.
I live in the U.S, sadly, my dad and grandparents believe this story to be true. I tend to feel sorry for them, because they are living in the superstitious past, instead of seeing the universe for the truly amazing thing that it is through the knowledge that science has revealed. It is depressing when you look down on your elders because of the immaturity of their rationality. It should be the other way around.