FORGET ALL OTHER HANDHELD DYNAMIC MICS | SHURE NEXADYNE
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That mic has a lot of clarity...suits your voice well. Very natural sounding.
I don't know; it depends on your use case; if I were on a tight budget, I'd take 3x sm58s over one Nexadyne. And I'd rather have a ton of mic sources over sharing mic's.. Additionally, if you are working with kids or amateurs, 58's are also quite durable.
Oh 100%...in almost every case that isnt professional...sm58 it is.
However...live sound engineers are going to love this mic...
@@DarkCornerStudios but at that price, it's going up against some hefty competition for hyper cardioid dynamic and even handheld condensers.
You could have 12 xm8500s
@Durkhead lol...
Oh boy
@@Durkhead sure, at $25 the xm8500 makes a good insertable mic, and at that price, I don't feel bad about tossing it after one use...
I have been using the same sm58 units for a decade. 2 or three times a week, occasionally more. I also bought - a decade ago - 2 EV mikes where the advert showed them being bounced off a wall, run over by cars etc - which is why I bought them, but I kept those as backups just in case the 58's failed. We never used them because the 58's never did fail. Every few years I would take an EV out of the bag to test it. Upshot is both EV's died in storage -never used at gigs and the 58's continue to this very day -and will be used again tonight ! We have had zero problems with the 58's over more than a decade. At nearly 3 times the price of a 58, I'm not seeing a huge amount of attraction in the Nexadyne....
Hey, I would love another video about mic history! You're a great presenter, and that Shure history video you did left me wanting more. Cheers!
Roadies like to factor in durability. As you know, there are countless videos of people running them over with tucks, or even putting them through fire and pitchers of beer and they still work. I wonder if anyone will put a $300 mic through those kinds of tests.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but when it was released the SM58 also cost a similar amount(accounting for inflation) This is only expensive because it's new. As with all audio gear, it undergoes two tests, the test of quality from the getgo, and the test of time. Right now we only have the test of quality for this mic. We don't know if it'll be remembered like the SM58 and SM7B, or mostly forgotten like the SM48( pulled from a wiki article, I don't actually know if it's popular) I think it's innovative but I also realize that it takes more than innovation to defeat longstanding champs like the SM58. It's not like better mics haven't been released since then.
So basically, they're doing what Bob Heil did with phasing for off-axis noise rejection, they're just using a separate capsule to do it.
sm58 is not going anywhere.
@djk. Rick Beato did a great interview with Dave Natale who is the sound engineer on the current Rolling Stones tour. Dave still uses all 57s and 58s on stage for vocals guitars and snare.
m.czcams.com/video/uEcx9gdhdbw/video.html
I'm warming up to your podcast. I appreciate your delivery and the fact I can see you are trying to sound as good as you can. Most podcasters take little note of how they sound as a performer or personality. It's part of your brand and I think you realize it. Keep it up.
How comparable is the new mic to the 58 at knocking out a drunken thief trying to steal your guitar during load out?
I could dig a video about mics from the earliest days until now. You could do one on recording media too, from wax cylinders through wire recording to digital bits.
No feedback was nice. I didn't see enough of a difference to make me want to jump out and buy one. As someone that moved on from Shure to EV and sE mics, I would really have to play with it myself to see if it had a place in my mic locker. Maybe a follow up video with it vs the V7
Yeah...thought about doing a shootout.
I know Bandrew has this mic in his queue...see if he gets to it before me
Don't spare me the techno babble. I'm a glutton for techno babble.
Great video! Thanks. I do use the 58 for many vocals of myself and others. Lately, I have been using the Sennheiser 441 with great results - like Stevie Nicks and Don Henley. :)
Thanks again Aiden so much for coming out and letting Lady Soul try out the Nexadyne!!! If I did not already have my BETA 58 mic, and was looking to upgrade, I personally would choose the Nexadyne over it. From the vocalists point of view, I would say it did make what I was hearing back sound a bit more "natural". However I would make the change if for nothing else the shape. Having the mic be concave where it goes to your mouth sat very comfortably. For any of us who have gotten a mic in the face from a rowdy crowd, that alone would be worth the slight upgrade in cost over the BETA. Great video. Thanks so much!
Ohhhh...never thought of that.
Them wiley motown crowds huh?
To my ears the sound was indistinguishable from that of the Beta 58A. The big advantage was in the difference in handling noise. Is it worth $300? I guess that's a matter of taste and budget.
I’ve been here before, Audix, Sennheiser, Shure KSM9 and 8, all have their place, none have completely replaced the SM58. But I’ll still be curious to try it. What’s most interesting to me is why haven’t I seen a single CZcams creator doing videos of more than local cover bands in crappy rooms, or single person mixing from the stage coffee shop setups. No diss to those folks at all (like you), but I’m a pro engineer and I’ve yet to see a single review or test in what I’d call a pro environment, let’s say at minimum 500 cap room, in ears, or even much bigger. Some environment where a real mix is possible and where a change in performance of a vocal mic will make a huge difference in getting closer to AAA audio quality. That more than anything is why I’m sceptical.
Yes more history
I got one for the lead singer of my band. It's really good. I think it'll be my main mic with 58s and Beta 58s used on certain voices. I also like the KSM 9 on a few voices.
Yeah...the price is steep...but it lives up to it if you are gigging a lot
Can you explain the difference between this dual capsule and the dual capsule of the Logitech Blue Sona?
I used sm57 beta for singing….
Tbh I like it better then beta 58
It reject feedback like a champ
I would say something like "cool, but I'll wait until the price comes down," but it's Shure. The SM58 has cost $100 since the 90s. I guess I'll just wait until $300 isn't much to ask for any mic.
Yeah, No, For Sure there Bud! Great Video as always! I would love to see a mic history video in the future I find lore to be very interesting stuff also that new Nexadyne mic is pretty dang sexy I'm not gonna lie. Cheers!
I do love to spin a yarn...
Really gotta get my second channel back up and running to scratch that itch
I really want to know the prox effect compared to the KSM8
Sounds identical to the 58, but the rejection is great - maybe 3+ db better? Doesn't sound hyper cardiod, or like a 57. A stage full of them over 58s would likely be much cleaner and tight. No monitor weirdness as well.
nice video but i hope u make some reviws in future about the condenser from Shure? maybe ksm32 or pga27😃
In the works.
Because I dont work with Shure...I have to buy them all myself...and that can get rather expensive...so it is coming...just in time
If the Beta 58a had a switch, it would be my favorite mic. (As an emcee, I need that control.) It's the perfect balance between the sound of the KSM8 and the durability of the SM58. The Sennheiser e895s is my current daily, since it sounds similar to the Beta 58a but has a switch.
Mics like the KSM8 and the Nexadyne mic are superior, but the price is a hinderance. I'm not so nervous with a $100-$170 mic, especially at gigs where people might drop the mic or spill something on it.
Totally agree
I'm surprised that Shure doesn't make a B58 variant with a switch (I can't find one either)? I've owned 58's & 57's with switches. In live stage production, muting is most often done by the engineer but there are many exceptions where a switch is useful (DJ, Podium, traveling mics etc...). Wow since they certainly have the production capacity, this seem like an over-site by Shure.
@@johnbogle6475 i’ve tried an in-line switch before, but it’s very clunky. It’s so much more convenient to have the switch on the mic itself. Shure seems like it’s resting on its laurels. The only major innovation they’ve come up with lately is the sm7dB.
@@RedButtonTV1 the Beta 58 doesn’t have a version with the switch. Only the SM58 does. The Beta 58 is a better mic.
Sennheiser e 835 is the mic I have been using for years, sounds great, good rejection, tough as nails and feels awesome in the hand.
could you please review the boya m1000 pro? It's priced around 100$ and i wanna hear your thoughts about this
I would like to see you do a comparison of the $300.00 Shure Nexadyne vs. the $249.00 Telefunken M81 microphone. The M81 mic is amazing in how flat of a response curve it has (i.e. virtually no coloration and minimal EQ needed) along with having minimal handling noise & a super-cardioid pattern to minimize feedback on stage (*with the proper positioning of floor monitors). The M81 is spectacular on my wife’s vocals, drums, etc.
Yeah that mic is definitely on my list!!
It’s challenging for Shure to compete against its own product without a solid argument. However, my SM58 is not going anywhere; in fact, I plan to get an SM58A for specific occasions
Question more on sm58. There's so many versions which is best for vlogging/podcasting. Basically doing videos as you do. Thanks. Love your channel
The SM58 is the ultimate all arounder mic.
I’m down. But if I’m gonna go get the supposed replacement of the iconic Beta 58, I think I also want Shure to make it LOOK like a Shure mic and not try to make it look like a Neumann KMS 105…. I realize they don’t want us to see a Beta 57 out of it but come on, Shure, give us something ICONIC like you always have.
SE V7 is my go to, or an E945 never liked the 58s
For live performances, there's very little reason to spend more than $100 on wired vocal mics. For recording, there's very little reason to spend less than $300 on vocal mics.
so it's a Austrian Audio OD505 knock off? for the same price?
Okay so I'm walking down the street listening to this on my headphones and when that lady's voice came on singing he was quite a bit louder than your voice and it scared the s*** out of me and I jumped I thought there was a person next to me yelling or something, thanks for the jump scare man, lol
Lmao...sorry buddy...her voice was VERY strong...it was hard to gain match
Rode M1 for life 😎
The no handling noise is huge for live sound .
hey man....what type of mic are you using?
"Um...I 'think' it's an SM-58"
sure?
Have you tried dropping the Nexadine on the ground ? Their robustness contributes to making the SM58 and 57 so all-around.
To be fair...it's been dropped a couple times....
HOWEVER...I don't believe it is built to the same standard as the SM series
@@DarkCornerStudios Thanks. Yes that was to be expected. So this mic is for engineers/companies doing enough big tours to be able to afford not only buying it, but replacing it on the spot whenever necessary. And not being afraid of rappers or comedians doing mic drops LOL.
I avoid the sm57 and sm58. There are so many better options in the same price range with better output for a recording studio. For live stage, the SE V7 is a great alternative, and so is the CAD d90.
Im still at ev nd96. Ksm8 sounds about the same.
acoustic guitar test please :D
I'll always offer a standard 58 first.
I already have a selection of lead vox mics that to me renders this new shure mic pointless.
The telefunken m81 when the vocals too shrill, allwell as the se V7, akg d5, Neumann kms 105 and a couple of beta 58's
The only others I'm looking to buy are the dpa 2028 capsules on senny handheld transmitters.
I'm prepared to spend money on a decent vocal if I'll use it, I don't see what this brings to the party.
From what I've heard from the dpa that will probably be my go to lead vocal moving forward, besides artists seem to prefer wireless mics these days gives them more room to roam around...
But is it built like a 58'?
The original SM58 sounds best. The Nexadyne and Beta are sibilant. Now that I pointed it out, listen for it.
I dont see a big enough difference to blow $300 on it. With the way bands i deal with handle mics, would be interesting to see if these hold up the way a 58 or beta 58 does on the road. AKGs dual capsule mics had some severe issues in their delicate nature that saw them fit for installation use and some studio use, but not much on the live scene. Maybe sure will drop one of these from their balcony to test like they did w the 58 😂
If they weren't so expensive I would do the hammer test...lol
💃 hmmmm
I think Nexadyna will be a "premium solution", not really neccessary for all. And I think it is more applicable for live performance, not for podcasting or studio. It will be just like "better beta58A", however from my point of view, I love my Beta58A and I don't feel so much love for "nexadynes" ;)
That handling noise though is an amazing upgrade.
I hear ya though
@@DarkCornerStudios yes, indeed, but do you need it in the studio? 😉
@@GadesChannel oh hell no...lmao
But I can guarantee Dylan will be using it on each live show
@@DarkCornerStudios and I belive 😁
Im not seeing this replace the 58 or beta 58 for live music its too expensive. I feel like content creators or podcasters might pick this up
Oh for sure...they all want the new shiny thing.
Not replace...but I can see some live sound engineers pouncing on this...that lack of handling noise is fantastic...and that is one of the biggest culprits for feedback during a live show
sE v7 all the way
omg i'm so proud of me. i thought by myself there was a really nasty 4k spike. and shure enough i looked up the frequency response and voila, there's a spike! tbh i'm not that impressed by it soundwise. the tech is cool though
Mic feedback when monitoring with headphones gives me the fear 😂 how does this new mic handle that?
That's more an issue with the headphones than it would be with the mic
Other musicians spend thousands on gear, so why shouldn't a singer? I often wonder why singers think cheap mics are sufficient. They are not. On the other hand an SM58 may do the job well enough, as long as you have the right mic technique. That is also: not handling the mic like it's a male organ.
Beta 1 SM 2 Nexa 3
i think i heard more annoying plosives with the nexadyne, but that might just have been the random switching between the mikes, dunno
Id take more history
Thats what I like to hear!!
btw what you said about both having unidyne capsules is very wrong, nexadyne has nothing to do with unidyne capsules, different technolgy.
From the best of my understanding...based on their video "Behind the Sound..." while the Revonic tech was different...they did not change capsule design...they just stacked the transducers...
Happy to call a Shure tech to confirm this if necessary...but when Shure designs a new capsule...they ALWAYS base it on the unidyne capsule.
There is nothing in any of their content that suggests otherwise.
Unless you have some proof otherwise
The Nexidyne definitely sounds better. However, if you give a dazzling performance, no one will care if you're using a less expensive mic. Our ears adjust to sound.
Shure Nexadyne for £275, the Lauten Snare Mic is £330, the Lauten Tom Mic is £345.
A drum kit is where I'd be using a super or hyper cardioid mic, the Shure is the wrong form factor for this use case.
Actually supercardioids are super helpful for singers who are trying to separate their voice from all the competing sounds on a stage.
Initially why the Beta58 was so popular
@@DarkCornerStudios yeah, for live work, without a doubt! I don't really live in that world anymore, any mic I buy is for recording duties only. Sorry, I should have said. I appreciate your getting back to me so quickly Aidan!
@@Mikey__R to a degree...but frankly...for live music...very little actually competes with Shure.
So really...they are largely competing with themselves
I'm a 639B man. The A was for cowards and skaliwags.
Lmao
Audix OM5 or OM6 Much better
£280 is a hard sell for people looking at sub £100 SM58's
If the venue is providing this vocal microphone, Sure (Shure) a $ 300 microphone is going to be on stage. Let's get to reality though. anything ever done by a musician that was still getting their chops, has always been done for the cheapest way possible. And as a record label signs a band, the bands popularity gains fan base or whatever else, then only the best equipment will ever do and even those have their quirks & technicians (sound or instrument) have to tame. That local band that gigs to survive, they're probably going to use the SM58, it's fine, good enough or whatever is the rational for stage cred with a $ 99 microphone. Same holds for a studio, if the studio is going to provide a $ 200 or 300 microphone in the rental rate, One would be foolish not to take advantage of that. My gut feel, they may have a $ 300 microphone, but that one is going to cost a little more to the base rate as an adder/upgrade. Besides they've probably got quite a few SM58's for rent as a backup microphone just the same. So what does one need for that bar/restaurant, the venue with a patio stage that is outdoors or the dockside stage for the FL bar & restaurant area ? Is a $ 300 microphone going to be the microphone of choice ? Someone may even use a Pyle PDMIC58/59/78 with a foam clown nose on it. Only because nobody ever noticed the microphone anyone was using at a bar. again the reality is, the microphone isn't studio grade, digital release quality for recorded purpose in a bar/restaurant & never will be. I won't crap on the next gen Shure microphone, asking preference of the 2 is going to be the cheaper one if I paid for & provided it and am performing live. Maybe I'll get & use one if I'm cutting a next album ? But I also think the SM58 is all that's necessary for that even, since it is the reigning standard for that ? And then there's the interpretation of the artist. Maybe they want to pair their low-fi guitar with a mic that matches the project. Like for Rock-A-Billy, what else would anyone use beyond the look of a Shure Model 55 SH Series 2 or a Super 55 ? And Pyle has a PDMICR42 pr PDMICR68SL that is a Model 55 SH clone for a fraction of the cost of a Model 55. Just depends upon what the project calls for as part of the show ?
Am i the only one that is super disappointed with the design? The black and silver SM58/Beta58 look is so iconic, no clue why Shure decided to ditch that design language and make a mic that looks one RGB light away from being a gamer accessory
Aren't they a bit late to the party with this? Worked for a few touring companies 20+ years ago and they'd all moved on to Sennheiser evolution series back then. They're flatter, better feedback rejection, extended low and high end response, just as durable, and sound better. The only reason you'd use an sm58 these days is if you're after the sm58 sound - useful in the studio, but live? Nah...
No. SM58 is king
"At this price, $300", I could buy three SM58 microphones.
There is no comparison to the SM58. It's in an entirely different price range.
You got me pumped up on false hope with your deceptive thumbnail.
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How is it deceptive?
The price?
That is the MOST subjective thing about this mic.
While it may be out of your price range...it isnt out of mine.
Also...as someone who does live sound and works with other engineers...this isnt a contentious statement.
@@DarkCornerStudios The combination of title and thumbnail leads potential viewers to believe the Nexadyne is in the same price range as the SM58. Whether or not that was intentional, I am in no position to comment on.
I can however confidently state that it gives the impression that this video is specifically designed to appeal to people in the market for "budget" microphones, which the Nexadyne is assuredly not. This spurs viewership from people who otherwise wouldn't have clicked on the video in the first place. That means many won't stick around to see the rest after hearing the price, which could absolutely tank your video's performance. (Though the engagement from critical comments might offset that in the algorithm. This approach works for many channels, if that's what you're going for, but it won't have a positive impact on your reputation.)
And if price is indeed "subjective", then what would you say to selling some new Nexadyne microphones for $99? (I apologize for the attitude here, but the word "subjective" has a clear meaning. As far as microphones go, the price and physical construction, along with all metrics that entails, are the only objective points of data there are. Far too many subjective terms which lack precise definitions and are unable to be measured get thrown around way too much when it comes to audio equipment, not that that has anything to do with what I've seen here so far. I'm just getting sidetracked.)
Look, I am in no way attacking your expertise on audio engineering or even commenting on the content of your video. I don't know anything about you and didn't stick around to see the rest. I'm just pointing out that the impression generated by your title and thumbnail is very misleading. I'm usually excited to hear about new tech that interests me, but after clicking on this video feel like I've had the rug pulled out from under me.
@@DarkCornerStudios I also apologize for just exuding dismissive anger and disappointment with my original comment whilst entirely neglecting to provide any substantive feedback. I've been trying to be better about that lately.
So...your perception of my thumbnail is way off.
It is ME saying goodbye SM58.
Sorry it is too expensive for you.
But the SM58 is NOT a budget microphone.
It is one of the most influential and legendary microphones of all time.
One that has rarely...if ever had a competitor...at ANY price point.
Even with handheld mics costing over a thousand dollars...the SM58 is still used by some of the biggest names in music.
I think your problem is you are underselling one of the greatest microphones of all time.
@@DarkCornerStudios @DarkCornerStudios I have no knowledge of the SM58's position in the professional scene apart from being used by a plethora of vocalists with varying styles throughout history, including some of my favorite metal vocalists. All I know is its cost to performance outweighed any other option for $100 or less that I've seen.
Due to the fact that channels making content about studio recording regularly mention microphones in the $150-$300 range and the stuff I see used by podcasters and other career CZcamsrs can even run over $1000, the $99 SM58 definitely seems like it's on the low end. That's why I referred to it as a "budget" option, because it's reasonably affordable for someone recording at home with limited equipment.
I think our difference in perspective on price is the main source of conflict here. I'll check out the full video. I just ask that you take what I pointed out into consideration.
Also, you mentioned you worked as an engineer for live shows? There's not much on CZcams from that perspective. In the couple of concerts I've been to, the tech bros in the middle of the room kept stealing my focus. It was magical seeing all their gear set up and watching them manage the sounds and lighting. They're the real rock stars. Your experiences in the field could make for some super interesting content.
Whatever the case, I wish you luck.
The old adage stands true as covid taught us. Wash your hands.
Naaaaah!
SM-58 can survive:
-drunk rockers
- angry neighbors
- irrigation system
- run over tractor
- beer
- vomit of drug addicted guitar player
- snot
- and global product shortages!
Under touring, you get robbed? You left on the airport? No problem, You can find it anywhere, anytime, for 20$
So thanks, Sm-58 will be stay as king!
Peace!
Copying Sennheiser?
Yeah kinda...never thought of that
Not. Worth. It.
For me the sm58 was never go to mic, sounds terrible, so flat in every way.. You can find many better sounding mics for similar price.
JJ. If you can't get an SM58 sounding totally professional either the singer sucks or you shouldn't be doing sound.
Even in this video the SM58 which is a sixty year old design (the Unidyne III capsule itself actually 65 years old in the 545 mic) holds up just fine against the Nexadyne which is brand new mic and three times the price of the venerable SM58.
@@7171jay Same for you, if you can't hear the flatness of 58 you should not do sound. Old and popular does not make it sound any better. What is good on it it's robust.
@JJ79. FLATNESS... Yeah ok. right ;)
Dave Natale who is doing sound for the current Rolling Stones tour is using SM58s on vocals as well as 57s on guitars and snare... guess he doesn't know what he is doing??? Maybe you should give him a call and enlighten him.
The old SM58 (often stuck on a wireless body) is still found on many major stages... not sure how you account for that but I'm "shure" you have some coping mechanism to deal with it that helps you believe the 58 is somehow a "terrible" mic.
I find it strange that it is cool for a bunch of people to hate the 58 but that's been the case for decades now.
@@7171jay I don't care what he uses or others use, I use my ears and I don't use 58. You are free to use it too but if your ears are not good enough to hear it's flaws don't flame others. And oh yeah, my ears are not perfect either.
@JJ79_ The 58 hasn't ended up on the stages of major artists by accident and that it is still the choice after many decades by some when there are so many other mics to chose from is significant no matter how you want to downplay it.
Use whatever mic you like that gets you what you want or need when running sound, it's cool that we gave so many options lately.
All I'm trying to say is that the SM58 still remains a choice by even many pro's who could use many other newer and or expensive mics if they wanted to.
this is no content its a advertisement!
Lmao...ya got me...spent all that money to do an ad
You must be new here
Not worth it
the SM58 sounded better. moving on.
One overpriced microphone replaced by an even more overpriced microphone.
Another nexadyne video with no real-life demo
Ummm...like...what kind of demo are you looking for?