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  • čas přidán 19. 05. 2024
  • Join me as i check out the timeline and continuity of the Mad Max franchise.
    patreon.com/movietimelines

Komentáře • 111

  • @JCIce007
    @JCIce007 Před 2 měsíci +22

    That's not Max's kid in the Fury Road flashbacks. It's a girl he befriended and wasn't able to save prior to the events of the movie.
    I feel like it would have made the most sense to place Fury Road before Thunderdome, but George Miller seems insistent that it's a sequel. But he's pretty loose on contnuity anyway, the whole thing is mean ro have a vibe of, "tales told about legendary figure long afterward". His reaction to the theory that the Feral Kid becomes thr new Max is basically, "Well it's not at all what I was thinking, but it sounds like a fun idea."

    • @max666tall
      @max666tall Před 2 měsíci +3

      when this movie came out that's what threw me off, I was like Max's kid was a boy and a toddler. Then if it was all in chronological order Max would be pretty old. But at the same time you could say by some miracle he has aged very well. But at least he had the leg brace in each movie.

    • @vonhellus
      @vonhellus Před měsícem

      @@max666tall yeah I was confused too until kinda recently I found out that they made a comic that explains events before fury road

    • @probot6515
      @probot6515 Před měsícem +1

      The tie-in comics very clearly place it after Thunderdome.

    • @cantnevercould9660
      @cantnevercould9660 Před měsícem

      Fury Road is meant to be after Thunderdome.

  • @flickflack
    @flickflack Před 2 měsíci +10

    Nah, no reboot. Max is an urban legend, a tall tale. The movies are campfire stories told by the people who interacted with Max. There's embellishment, omissions, and changes of truth. That explains all the inconsistancies.

    • @chadkimmel8957
      @chadkimmel8957 Před 2 měsíci

      Exactly.

    • @thomasbentley4757
      @thomasbentley4757 Před 2 měsíci +3

      That sounds right to me.
      The second,third and Fury Road were told through the eyes of the Feral Kid,Savannah Nix and Furiosa.
      They added embellishments to make Max more than what he was..
      Maybe the embellishments were added as a warning to raiders and scavengers that the wasteland has a guardian angel.

    • @cantnevercould9660
      @cantnevercould9660 Před měsícem

      By "inconsistencies" you mean with Fury Road? Because the first three films are pretty consistent with each other.

    • @flickflack
      @flickflack Před měsícem

      @@cantnevercould9660 his car mostly

    • @cantnevercould9660
      @cantnevercould9660 Před měsícem

      @@flickflack It's destroyed in Road Warrior and it doesn't appear nor is it mentioned in Beyond Thunderdome.
      As for why it appears in Fury Road, it's because he rebuilt it. It's detailed in a comic book.

  • @Michael.RedKnight
    @Michael.RedKnight Před 2 měsíci +5

    “Crash Gary and Wyatt’s party” is the best part of the timeline

    • @max666tall
      @max666tall Před 2 měsíci

      at least he taught them to stand up for themselves and had a wild party.

  • @parallaxnick637
    @parallaxnick637 Před 2 měsíci +2

    "Catwoman and a Transformer girl". And a Yellowjacket. And Elvis's granddaughter.

  • @David-And-A-Half
    @David-And-A-Half Před 2 měsíci +2

    It's weird re-watching the original because even though I wasn't alive when it was filmed and by the time I was so much had changed those roads are so familiar. Every shot is an unremarkable point in the trip that you don't ever think about but notice every time you go past. I recognise every location in Russell Crowe's Romper Stomper because I grew up there but I don't feel them the way I feel Mad Max's locations. It's hard to describe but it captures something extremely specific about driving 45 minutes out of Melbourne.

    • @rishoutfield2043
      @rishoutfield2043 Před měsícem

      I love hearing how Aussies feel about the Max films. It's similar, I suppose, to how my Kiwi friend feels about the LOTR Trilogy. I guess my equivalent is that FOOTLOOSE was shot in my hometown and at my high school . . . it's not quite the same, but it's something.

  • @theiggy1474
    @theiggy1474 Před 2 měsíci +9

    My head canon...only Australia is post apocalyptic. The rest of the world just ignores them.

  • @paulroman3668
    @paulroman3668 Před 2 měsíci +2

    I choose to believe that the Fury Road max is the feral boy who chose to take on the mantle of Max after the original died. The original movies then stand as they are... Amazing!

  • @NeedlessJ93
    @NeedlessJ93 Před 2 měsíci +3

    And as for the Road Warrior. He lives now, only in my memories.

  • @samwill7259
    @samwill7259 Před 2 měsíci +4

    I'm so glad Fury Road came out.
    This series really needed to get Beyond Thunderdome

  • @Hum0ng0us
    @Hum0ng0us Před 2 měsíci +2

    The only movie where the story isn't being told by a faulty narrator is the first one, the other 3 are told by people whose memories can't quite be trusted exactly.

  • @mikeyfn-a6684
    @mikeyfn-a6684 Před 2 měsíci +2

    Legend has it....Cundalini stills roams the wasteland searching for his hand..kinda like 'The Hound' in Game of Thrones awaiting his revenge ! Something I Istill believe!

  • @drigrid
    @drigrid Před 2 měsíci +3

    I was always under the impression that the timeline of the films was something like what Romero did with his dead series. That it was always meant to be relative to the release date of the most previous film, rather than have an internal consistency. But your timeline makes sense.
    A thing I really like about the original trilogy is that they chronicle an ongoing fall of civilization, rather than saying "the world fell suddenly in 1999 and in 2000 everyone and their mother are cannibals".

    • @YokRzeznic
      @YokRzeznic Před 2 měsíci +1

      Remember: The first movie starts with "A Few Years From Now..."

    • @cantnevercould9660
      @cantnevercould9660 Před měsícem

      Not really. In Beyond Thunderdome, the date where Captain Walker left the Crack of the Earth is dated as 199x, meaning the fall of society and nuclear war happened sometime before 1999.

  • @martinmurphy3860
    @martinmurphy3860 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Thank you!!! Been waiting for you do this timeline since you started the channel.

  • @JohnWesleyDavison
    @JohnWesleyDavison Před 2 měsíci +5

    My brain is only happy thinking there is one continuity, but two Max characters. Just two different guys named Max.

    • @matthewcochran3325
      @matthewcochran3325 Před 2 měsíci +2

      Agreed. Tom Hardy's character is spelled Mad Mack's.

    • @max666tall
      @max666tall Před 2 měsíci

      Another way perhaps is like its said, we are seeing these movies as someone telling his story and each telling gets more outrageous so things get mixed together or new stuff keeps being added.

    • @cantnevercould9660
      @cantnevercould9660 Před měsícem

      Eh, technically not one continuity. The original trilogy had the apocalypse take place in the 80s, while Fury Road had it set to the 2010s.

    • @max666tall
      @max666tall Před měsícem

      @@cantnevercould9660 I've seen some people say take it like its tall tales, stories of Max passed down so what really happened gets embellished, and what was big gets down played and actual time is lost in the passage of time.

    • @cantnevercould9660
      @cantnevercould9660 Před měsícem

      @@max666tall That's what George Miller likes to frame the movies, but in reality he has a detailed backstory.
      For example, in Road Warrior you hear about "two mighty warrior tribes" that went to war and "touched off a blaze" that caused the downfall of society. According to behind-the-scenes documents, what actually happened was that Saudi Arabia and Iran went to war and in the process, oil fields and pipelines were destroyed, which caused a fuel shortage.

  • @55tranquility
    @55tranquility Před 2 měsíci

    The people in Max’s hallucinations are people he wasn’t able to save on his travels in the wasteland. The little girl is called Glory, Max saved Glory and her mother from a gang of bandits known as the Buzzards just before he arrived in the Citadel-only for them to be killed in a crash as Max fought off the Buzzards. Anytime he connects with other people they get hurt or killed and he feels the guilt and trauma as he underneath everything is a good guy and ex cop who is very disturbed. He is a loner and avoids making connections with other people as they always get hurt and he can’t save them - he is traumatised by this but constantly being alone with just his thoughts is damaging to his fragile mental health too. He becomes more human the more time he spends with other people and helps them, doing something to help others and having a purpose. Which is of course true for all people, we are social and tribal beings who need company, connection and purpose to varying degrees.

  • @RichardBarkman
    @RichardBarkman Před 2 měsíci

    It been awhile I’ve watched MM series. But I do remember around the internet theory back in decades & half ago about timelines of mad max.

  • @JJWolford
    @JJWolford Před 2 měsíci +5

    The most accurate timeline-
    -[This has been removed]-

    • @TheFemaleTitan
      @TheFemaleTitan Před 2 měsíci

      That seems extremely inaccurate. Particularly with Fury Road/Furiosa's timelines.

    • @JJWolford
      @JJWolford Před 2 měsíci

      @@TheFemaleTitan If you say so.

  • @THENEVERDEADIV
    @THENEVERDEADIV Před 2 měsíci +2

    As of furiosa the New timeline canon order is Furiosa (1st act ), Wasteland, Furiosa ( 2nd and 3rd act ) Mad Max ( video game ) and then Fury Road. ( might not want to count wasteland just yet though because that timeline may change back to the year between the game and fury road )

    • @JCIce007
      @JCIce007 Před 2 měsíci

      I think the first movie was meant to look more rundown than we ever see...they just had no budget for it. To the point that it's become a joke, "Apocalypse? Nah man, that was just rural Australia in the 70s."

  • @AlienIOIandroktone
    @AlienIOIandroktone Před 2 měsíci +2

    Charles Bronson wasn't a deep cut for me. I live in the same town as he did, and the Bronson film is a favourite of mine

  • @steventregoning6870
    @steventregoning6870 Před 2 měsíci

    That's Charlie Bronson to you mate... Bam bam, knockout, ding ding. Nice work as always. I especially like the mention of the date on the road sign from the first film.

  • @AlienIOIandroktone
    @AlienIOIandroktone Před 2 měsíci +2

    I think if you just bend the actors ' ages and go off it all being in a sliding timescale, it mostly works. Along with assuming the first film was in the most sane, temperate part of the country at the time, and it was a lot worse everywhere else.
    Whatever year you're watching: Max = 8
    (Fuel Shortage, Climate Change, Societal Collapse)
    Mad Max: 10 years from now. Max = 18, Furiosa = 0
    Furiosa's Green Place: 13 years from now. Max = 21, Furiosa = 3
    Road Warrior 15 years from now. Max = 23
    (Nuclear War)
    Beyond Thunderdome: 30 years from now. Max = 38
    Fury Road: 32 years from now. Max = 40, Furiosa = 22
    I know Tom Hardy is younger and Charlize Theron is older, but I can ignore that.
    I assume Furiosa's bulk of the story is only going to take place a few years before Fury Road, but I could be totally wrong about that.

  • @raymondhartmeijer9300
    @raymondhartmeijer9300 Před 2 měsíci

    Very important to keep investing in railroads. People are willing to kill each other for gasoline if it gets scarce

  • @A1ml33y
    @A1ml33y Před 10 dny

    In my head cannon i love to think that the Events of RonoCop & OCP are happening at thr same time as Max .
    Also slightly around the same timeline as Escape from New York & LA
    Also Cherry 2000

  • @THENEVERDEADIV
    @THENEVERDEADIV Před 2 měsíci +4

    Furiosa made the game canon again.

    • @YokRzeznic
      @YokRzeznic Před 2 měsíci

      Not exactly. The connections between the movies and the game are things Miller had created, so some characters will be presented differently (He did lose control of the game at some point, though at least the people that did the game in the end managed a great job). But there are some connections I have heard from production that do have the feel of the game in a way.

    • @THENEVERDEADIV
      @THENEVERDEADIV Před 2 měsíci

      @@YokRzeznic WB had 50% creative control over Furiosa and they did officially canonize the game as of the movie. only because they are still pulling in royalties for the game to this day. The comic that came out before is now non canon due to the events in furiosa. There is something they did with Dr.Ds story arc that makes the comic impossible now.

    • @YokRzeznic
      @YokRzeznic Před 2 měsíci

      @@THENEVERDEADIV Nah.

    • @THENEVERDEADIV
      @THENEVERDEADIV Před 2 měsíci

      @@YokRzeznic yes.

    • @cantnevercould9660
      @cantnevercould9660 Před měsícem

      The game still isn't canonical. George Miller did not create that game.

  • @wimvanderstraeten6521
    @wimvanderstraeten6521 Před 2 měsíci +2

    What caused the world to change so much if there wasn't a nuclear war after the events in the first movie? The contrast between the relatively normal, albeit vacillating, society in the first movie (there's still a police force) and the completely lawless society in the second movie is obvious. In the second movie the people are also dressed quite differently.

    • @Rogers1000
      @Rogers1000 Před 2 měsíci

      Lack of resources and gasoline

    • @YokRzeznic
      @YokRzeznic Před 2 měsíci +2

      Societal breakdown, lack of resources, economic decline, overall morale...
      There's some rare MM1 preamble stating that states had enacted their own jurisdictions as the federal govt was in such turmoil, so criminals found a loophole where if they made it across the border they wouldn't have to face charges laid in the state they're escaping from. The MFP was formed to chase them down when attempting this.
      By part two, the situation was terminal and the inland areas of the country were quickly depopulating as they were mostly unsustainable without transport and logistics networks, which aided to the mass civil unrest and violence in the cities. This was hinted on in the first movie as authority and policing had abandoned certain areas, and these areas grew larger over the time until they were basically ruled by rogue gangs that would pillage anything left behind.
      Between 2 and 3 there was all out war...

    • @JCIce007
      @JCIce007 Před 2 měsíci

      Hell, even a full scale nuclear war doesnt explain where the oceans went. Sydney should be on the coast, bur now it's just sand as far as the eye can sea in Beyond Thunderdome.
      Even if we deliberately nuked the ocean itself, we couldnt make that happen.

  • @lostinthemasses
    @lostinthemasses Před 2 měsíci

    FYI Wyatt is a poetry professor at CSULB now.

  • @TheFemaleTitan
    @TheFemaleTitan Před 2 měsíci

    The is the way I was informed by the timeline events:
    1979 - War between Saudi Arabia and Iran which lead to oil crisis
    1983 - Main Force Patrol established
    Mid to late 80’s - Events of Mad Max
    3 years later - Events of Mad Max 2
    - Nuclear Apocalypse
    Sept 10th somewhere in the 1990’s - Cpt Walker leaves
    2005 - Events of Mad Max 3
    2015 - Events of Mad Max 4
    The Mad Max films are not meant to be structured as a linear story wise, they’re told in tales, because we’re seeing it from the perspective of Max, who is like a mythological figure. All we need to know is that the films are set in chronological sequence. Just a lonely warrior who is a legend that rediscovers hope but never stays with the people he saves. He is the road warrior.

  • @Puncherjoe1
    @Puncherjoe1 Před 2 měsíci +6

    Fun Fact: Mad Max is actually short for Madison Maximilian.
    True story.

  • @jachyra9
    @jachyra9 Před 2 měsíci

    “The first two Mad Max films are not post-nuclear. When we discussed the kinds of events that might have led to this primitive world we depict, including the global war that the Narrator alludes to in the prologue to Mad Max 2, the nuclear question was avoided entirely. That’s because I firmly believe that a nuclear winter would at best leave a world of insects and grass. Even if we were to include human beings, they’d all have to be suffering enormous problems from radiation. If we had wanted to accurately depict a post-nuclear future, we’d have made entirely different films.”
    - George Miller

  • @organicketchup5171
    @organicketchup5171 Před 2 měsíci

    I would actually be fine with a "reboot". Think of it as another telling of that part of the Max legend. Basically, I'd just like the franchise to once again be a bit more than the post apocalyptic setting. The original is a stylized cop movie with a strong Australian feel and that concept deserves revisiting.

  • @LaurentCourtin
    @LaurentCourtin Před 2 měsíci

    Even without Mel Gibson, I feel like most of the confusion would have disappeared with a much older actor than Tom Hardy.

  • @ZeroArmour
    @ZeroArmour Před 2 měsíci

    Bruce Spence was also in the first film.

  • @lasvegasnextexit1230
    @lasvegasnextexit1230 Před 2 měsíci

    I am hoping that the next Mad Max does explore a much older man and how it has shaped him in his later years. I was in elementary school when Mad Max came out and a teen when The Road Warrior and Thunderdome came out but now that I am an old man, I would love to see a movie that explores Max's last days on his road to redemption.

  • @CountryBwoy
    @CountryBwoy Před 2 měsíci

    Its so funny. I just realized that I've never even seen MM proper. I'm definitely going to check it out. I've probably seen Thunderdome. But I really don't remember. I did see Fury Road.

    • @YokRzeznic
      @YokRzeznic Před 2 měsíci

      Lower your expectations somewhat. Going back from Fury Road will be a bit of a shock because none of them are as relentless and kinetic as it.
      You can see in MM2 where the inspiration lies, though.
      MM1 is a pretty standard revenge film overall, but in its own world and serves well building the world that the Mad Max movies takes place in. Its pacing is fine, but it's not balls to the wall the way through.

  • @johnestrada294
    @johnestrada294 Před 2 měsíci

    Its kind of funny whenever someone thinks of the Mad Max series the picture which came to their minds is the Post Apocalyptic third movie, ignoring the previous ones (special the first one which doesn't have that distinctive "Mad Max look")

  • @peterdanior4538
    @peterdanior4538 Před 2 měsíci

    Yeah, I figure it’s 2 different timelines, with similar events happening in each.

  • @vonVile
    @vonVile Před 2 měsíci

    There is no real timeline outside of Mad Max being first. All the rest are basically folk tales told by characters, who have met him in the past. The Feral Boy is an old man and now leader after the Gyrocoptor. The female leader of the children in Thunderdome is as least in her 40-50s.
    But if there is a timeline:
    Mad Max
    The Road Warrior
    Furiousa
    Fury Road
    Beyond Thunderdome
    As for how how Fury Road comes before Thunderdome, Max's V-8 Interceptor is destroyed in Fury Road being crushed between two vehicles. In Thunderdome Max uses a truck/caravan for a vehicle.
    The people Max sees while suffering from PTSD aren't his family. They are from an untold story.

    • @cantnevercould9660
      @cantnevercould9660 Před měsícem

      To say there's no real timeline is incorrect. There is a clear timeline with the first three movies.
      MM1 - society is falling apart, Max's family are killed, Max is shot in the leg.
      Road Warrior - society has fallen, Max is wearing a leg brace, the interceptor is destroyed, Max's eye is damaged in the crash at the end.
      Beyond Thunderdome - Nuclear war has happened, the interceptor is nowhere to be seen, Max is clearly an older man, his eye is dilated and he no longer wears a leg brace.
      Fury Road is meant to be after Thunderdome. The reason why it doesn't fit very well is because Mel Gibson was supposed to reprise his role and play a 50-year-old Max, but it didn't pan out.

  • @rionthemagnificent2971
    @rionthemagnificent2971 Před 2 měsíci

    Humongus wasn't Goose. Goose died in the first film as Fifi said to Max "Goose bought it", and that's usually an idiom for someone dying.

    • @Rogers1000
      @Rogers1000 Před 2 měsíci

      Yeah I'd read it was the guy who was supposed to hacksaw his foot off

    • @JCIce007
      @JCIce007 Před 2 měsíci

      @@Rogers1000 most of that guy has cameo in Beyond Thunderdome.

  • @kanukki84
    @kanukki84 Před 2 měsíci

    George Miller stole the plot of Thunderdome from a book, the author of that book had asked Miller to make a movie about his book.

  • @randycarter3111
    @randycarter3111 Před 2 měsíci +2

    In the beginning of Road Warrior, didn’t they establish that the nuclear war had happened? So it would definitely have been between the first end second movies. Or am I missing something.

    • @istvanvilmos8400
      @istvanvilmos8400 Před 2 měsíci

      No, only a world war is mentioned and not a nuclear one.

    • @JCIce007
      @JCIce007 Před 2 měsíci +2

      The narrator mentions a terrible war between the "two great tribes", presumably the U.S. and Soviets.

    • @YokRzeznic
      @YokRzeznic Před 2 měsíci +1

      Not a nuclear war, no. Just a lot of crippling conflicts and drawn out negotiations that never went anywhere. It did culminate in nuclear trade after MM2.

    • @cantnevercould9660
      @cantnevercould9660 Před měsícem

      George Miller confirmed that Mad Max 1 & 2 were pre-nuclear.

    • @cantnevercould9660
      @cantnevercould9660 Před měsícem

      @@JCIce007 The "two might warrior tribes" were Saudi Arabia and Iran according to production documents for Road Warrior.

  • @jeremyhague2119
    @jeremyhague2119 Před 2 měsíci

    I think my favorite theory about the time line is that Mad Max became a legendary hero years after the movies took place. Each subsequent movie became more and more crazy because each story has been handed down for generations with more embellishments each time it is told.

    • @max666tall
      @max666tall Před 2 měsíci +1

      I was just telling someone that when we were talking about how Fury Road takes place in the timeline. Like example his crash in The Road Warrior, that should have either killed him or he should have been so banged up no way he would have the strength or sense to drive the Mack only way he could have done that is he is superhuman.

    • @jeremyhague2119
      @jeremyhague2119 Před 2 měsíci +1

      @@max666tall exactly. And how the pilot is the same guys in road warrior and thunder dome and how those two movies and fury road all have climaxes with similar plot points. It’s because the stories are based on the same history.

    • @cantnevercould9660
      @cantnevercould9660 Před měsícem

      George Miller likes to say this. That Mad Max is just a campfire story.
      In reality, they have written a *ton* of backstory for Mad Max mythos and a detailed timeline of how the fall of society actually started.

  • @capitalcitygoofball1987
    @capitalcitygoofball1987 Před 2 měsíci

    Ah this will be good. How do you timeline that which has no timeline? Maybe a timeline to see if Friday 13th pt 3 did indeed rip off their Jason look from Lord Humongous. According to Road Warrior's overseas release its possible, but only you with your fancy zoom and enhance abilities can unravel this mystery. (And I'm aware of the official account of how they came up with hockey mask Jason)

  • @belgregor
    @belgregor Před 2 měsíci

    Fury Road is reimagined Mad Max 2.

  • @DoubleDguitar
    @DoubleDguitar Před 2 měsíci

    So much better than Pissed Pete.

  • @shawnfrieler1187
    @shawnfrieler1187 Před 2 měsíci

    Can’t we get beyond Thunderdome?

  • @thomasbentley4757
    @thomasbentley4757 Před 2 měsíci

    Where would you put the Mad Max video game in this timeline?
    Or do you think it's a new continuity?

  • @Rogers1000
    @Rogers1000 Před 2 měsíci

    Thr game is apparently canon too, but where who knows lol, I also read a rumour ages ago that humongous was the guy he told to chop his foot off also, I hope furiosa is good I like mad max and a few more GOOD films are welcome

    • @YokRzeznic
      @YokRzeznic Před 2 měsíci

      I don't think Miller considers the game cannon. And nah, Mungus ain't Johnny, but I've not heard that rumour.

    • @Rogers1000
      @Rogers1000 Před 2 měsíci

      @@YokRzeznic seen a few people mentioning the game and that furiosa recanonised it, never thought Johnny was just a rumour, more believable than goose though

    • @YokRzeznic
      @YokRzeznic Před 2 měsíci

      It's a contention of opinions at best. Both contain stories and concepts from Miller, just alternate interpretations.
      I find Johnny being Humungus much less believable than Goose, at least the Goose one was actually an idea thrown around early in writing.

  • @johnestrada294
    @johnestrada294 Před 2 měsíci +2

    So both Max and Rorschach from Watchmen were an inspiration for John Kramer?

  • @dranger2937
    @dranger2937 Před měsícem

    It is not a new continuity, the first three movies minus the very first one were told by secondhand accounts, almost urban legends.. the timeline is not clear to anyone. And Mad Max the wasteland which George Miller has already written the woman being run over at the beginning of fury Road is the young mother that Mad Max goes on a saga with. I was hoping for a little more research on this one.

  • @Illstatefishing
    @Illstatefishing Před 2 měsíci +1

    60k 👀

  • @MrDman21
    @MrDman21 Před 2 měsíci

    Aussie Aussie Aussie oi oi oi! 🇭🇲

  • @crazytexan7532
    @crazytexan7532 Před měsícem

    Mad max without Max?

  • @jesseperez1727
    @jesseperez1727 Před 2 měsíci

    No mel gibson count me out

  • @denial987
    @denial987 Před 2 měsíci +1

    I predict Furioa will fail this weekend.

  • @jamesarnold2399
    @jamesarnold2399 Před 2 měsíci

    Fury Road and Furiosa shouldn't be considered Mad Max movies.

  • @machfront
    @machfront Před 2 měsíci

    Sorry. There are only three Mad Max films.
    George Miller, like George Lucas, is wrong.
    It happens.

  • @dennisjoseph6567
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