Predicting The Future Of The Six Flags + Cedar Fair Merger
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- čas přidán 3. 06. 2024
- I predict the future of the joint company between Six Flags and Cedar Fair
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I really hope RMC is still in the picture, there are some former Cedar Fair parks that need an RMC conversion
Yeah I wondered why he didn't talk about new RMCs (conversions as well as ground-up coasters) since CF didn't work with them again after their 2018 additions. It's assumed that the problems with Steel Vengeance (structural issues and the train collision shortly after opening) might have something to fo with that. Six Fkags on the other hand is as great of a RMC fan as ever. It would open up a possibility for Hurler's RMC conversion at Carowinds for example.
The new Six Flags will likely continue working with RMC. They’ve been a fan of them ever since the success of New Texas Giant and I see more projects happening that they plan on doing, such as giving both Roar and The Boss RMC treatment and a Raptor for SFGAm and then maybe another for my home park SFOG
@@Cat3465 I don't understand why Roar is still Roar, I didn't ride it (as I was never in the US) but I heard bad things about it. It seems they did some trackwork recently, I read that in the comments of Chris's (Airtime Thrills) most recent video about roughest coasters of ech manufacturer.
Recent trackwork if that's true makes RMC more unlikely but what I never understood was: Why had the Millennium Flyers from the Roar at SFDK (when it was converted to The Joker) never been moved to the Roar at SFA? Maybe they were sold off otherwise tho.
I think most of the SFA crowd would have even been fine with a "Joker 2" (same layout) conversion.
@@nox-qu1bm That maybe true for Roar at SFA not receiving the RMC treatment any time soon but it’s likely for SFSTL to have The Boss to get the treatment. I don’t know if it will get the Twisted Cyclone method by shrinking the layout in length or not
@@Cat3465I hope Canada's Wonderland (my home park) and La Ronde RMC projects are on the discussion table (CW converts Wilde Beast to Iron Menace, LR converts Monstre to deadmau5: the ride - if that license goes through)
Canada’s Wonderland and Kings Island need a resort hotel before any Six Flag park gets one, except maybe Magic Mountain.
CW really doesn't need a hotel. It needs different infrastructure upgrades. Like a new front entrance and better traffic flow coming in and out of the park.
But currently it's still a 1 day park until they replace alot of the filler coasters.
Kings island would be a waste of money, majority of there business is locals within driving distance, plus it’s a park you could easily do in one day.
@@jordane7483 There has been 3 hotels added in the area, since 2018, so there is a big market for it still. Kings Island does need one, it would make the park more money, and the perfect spot would be near Soak City. Companies are always trying to bring more guests in for business.
@jordane7483 you'll definitely want re rides though they have an amazing top 5
The biggest thing I get from this merger is rekindled relationships with once black listed ride manufacturers, and the fact six flags has a history of relocating rides. Lets send rougaru to Michigan to make room for a new ride lol.
I’m all for it!!! When I first rode Mantis back in middle school I always dreamed of having it in my back yard, I’d love for it to be added to Michigan’s Adventure’s lineup!!!
@@gerry9362 it's a terrible coaster at cedar point but could be a real gem at a park in need like great adventure
@@FoamSquatch pretty sure they already have a floorless at great adventure lol, Medusa.
@@Goat_Girl_Gwen sorry I meant Michigans Adventure, not Great Adventure.
@@FoamSquatchthey're very similar parks... Lol
I have both six flags and dorney park season passes
Just curious i was gonna cancel my dorney pass and keep six flags and Hershey pass
Canada's Wonderland needs an on site hotel.
There was talk years ago about a Hyatt hotel going up there... I wonder what happened.
I would disagree. On-site hotels only work for parks that take multiple days to fully experience, like Cedar Point and SFMM. Canada's Wonderland is NOT one of those parks. They do not need an on-site hotel or resort, and if they were to build one, it would 100% fail. Camp Cedar at Kings Island proved that not every park can be turned into a multi-day destination overnight. If you ask me, they should instead invest that money into more rides and attractions.
@@mack_r-s 100% correct. Build the rides that people actually want to come and experience from out of town, other city, ot country. The US doesn't even know or care about CW. Its the locals that keep that park alive.
@@billybob33366 plans to build one got cancelled during the pandemic to save costs.
@@mack_r-s it could work remember Canada’s Wonderland is the most visited seasonal amusement park in North America, on many days the only way you can get most things done is if you have fast lane.
I wish they had called the new company "Cedar Flags."
At Geagua Lake, they demolished all water slides after Wildwater Kingdom closed for good. Despite some of them weren't that old ... So I wouldn't assume that water slides from CGA are going to be relocated. The merger might make a difference here tho.
Visiting CGA as soon as possible (from Germany) is definitely on my list.
But maybe that park is safe since Santa Clara's zoning for the park area is for theme paark use only. But I wouldn't hold my breath.
6 flags new england can fit railblazer right where the 2 boomerangs where/are
I am so excited. I was catching rumors Six Flags STL was one of the smaller parks on the chopping block.
The section from Minetrain up the hill to Screaming Eagle was called "Old Chicago" music and theme was loosely around that when I worked there in 2003. I think it was originally Old Chicago after the High Street Flyer ride.
It would be cool to have an "old Saint Louis" area.
I can't see it but can also I'm going with the can't with the recent investments
I kept hearing the rumors of the park in the chopping block before the merger was even considered, but hopefully the merger brings in necessary change and improvement to the parks quality
I just have so much love for that park and want to be as awesome and safe as it was when I was kid. It can be done. They have just been trying to tank the company for the last 15-20 years@@MrDisneyguy
I agree wholeheartedly with what you said about resorts/hotels being added to some of the parks especially if they are on-site. And the extra perk of shuttles to the park entry gate area would be awesome. 👍👍👍
Hopefully this means more Rmc conversions. Roar and The boss come to mind.
Michigan's Adventure NEEDS Railblazer. They already have the SLC.
They need anything. It’s my home park and they really need anything they can get. lol
I wonder how this will impact Universal
Michigan's adventure needs an update
I agree. As of April 2024, they are upgrading one of their restaurants, and adding a new lift hill on Wolverine Wildcat. Hopefully this Merger improves it.
A hotel next to Soak City at Kings Island would be perfect, there has been 3 hotels built in the area since 2018, and the newest 1 of them was built in 2022, so SF/CF would be foolish not to build one, one next to Soak City would be in walking distance of the water park. The area around the park has been booming. and the Lindner Family Tennis Center is going to get a major renovation in the next year so that will bring more people to the area as well.
I hope magic mountain has a resort and hotels and a shopping entertainment center similar to downtown Disney and citywalk
Do you think Gold Striker can get relocated to Discovery Kingdom?
this seems like the best news on any part of the media
I think sixflags mm would also add hotel or a resort across from the parking lot and expand the water park
I'm wondering how much passes will cost/which parks they'll be valid for.
Also about the smaller parks of either chain (Michigan's Adventure, Dorney Park, Six Flags America, Frontier City, La Ronde)
Not sure about the cost of passes, I do know they have big plans for Dorney though and Iron Menace was just step 1 of a long plan they have to turn it into a tier 1 park. They want Dorney and Great Adventure to steal the market from Hershey so they may have some kind of special pass for those two parks.
I personally hope that rail blazer goes to SFDK since that’ll help out the park a lot and it fits within the 150 hight limit
The Original Six Flags. Six Flags Over Texas needs a new major coaster, some park and holel upgrades.
Thus merger might be exactly what Darien Lake has been needing all these years. They currently have them categorized as a "resort/hotel property"....CF loves hotels so maybe thus park will FINALLY see some investment. (I'm fully aware SF currently manages/operates the park...no need for anyone to respond with that💀💀)
This is why I'm hoping they'll buy the park from EPR Properties, Darien also has a ton of land (over 900 acres) and it really needs to stick with one company because it's been going through an identity crisis for the past few decades.
Agreed. Ppl keep marking it as a park to close or be sold...but it makes zero sense. The property the park sits on has very little value so selling it off to a developer would bring in very little profit.
With having all the bones in place to be a resort (on site hotel/camping/amphitheater)...they would be foolish to not build the park up. People will go wherever something is built it has been proven time and time again. They just stopped investing so attendance plummeted with it.
If they can bring back The phantom Theater At Kings Island as a hybrid dark mouse ride in the vortex area...Think about it...
Another thing that could happen is a ride rotation program similar to what Six Flags did in the 90's and give parks new-to-them roller coasters.
There is absolutely no chance SFNE gets a hotel, it's a small park, small attendance, not a destination, it's locals. SFOG again not getting a hotel, there are 2 hotel right a cross the street and another one right down the street. Neither of these parks are destination parks, that's what you need to be to get a hotel under Cedar Fair management, they will be running things.
The local government of Californias Great America did not agree on the land being used other then an amusement park. So the owner of the land has to run an amusement park on it by local laws. So consider that a good reason why rides might not get removed from that park.
Zoning will change.
This guy predicted the future 😭😭 (his name)
A chainwide app that’s actually useful and user-friendly would be amazing. I’m not sure why this has up to now eluded both chains.
Six Flags has been working on it. Even with the bugs, it's still more useful than the individual CF park apps are.
Note that SFOG does NOT have competition towards Fun Spot. They’re only known for AireForce One and SFOG has more coasters than Fun Spot by having 13 in their lineup instead of only 2. The nearest park that SFOG has in terms of competition is Carrowinds. It’s likely that with corporate offices will be relocated to Charlotte become an experimental park along with Carrowinds
ArieForce One RMC is an elite coaster in a tiny park. Poor financial fit for that park. I bet they'll sell it off within a year or two to a CedarFlags park, but it won't be SFOG because Twisted Cyclone is there. I could definitely see Carowinds picking up ArieForce One from Fun Spot Atlanta, and possibly re-naming it.
@@jandrew1994 Twisted Cyclone is considered a low tier RMC and a lot of people are rooting for a Raptor to be added to their lineup as their next major coaster. They’ve filled in all of their major gaps in their coaster lineup
eTo claim both are big in resorts is a massive stretch. CEdar Fair is big in resorts. SF had a hotel at DL, that literally nobody goes to b/c nobody really goes to DL. They don't even own DL, EPR does. Great Escape another park with lodging, but nobody goes to the park. 2023 parks schedule had it closed at 6pm many days during main season in July b/c it's empty. The tents at Gadv are literally pretty ridiculous and trying to cheapskate into calling that real lodging. Cedar Fair in contrast has full on resort/hotel properties Breakers, Express, Sawmill Creek. Knotts Hotel, Carowinds hotel, etc
Ceder flags is real!!!!!
I agree that Six Flags won't sell off any oark either. The best example why is because SeaWorld Entertainment operates both SeaWorld Orlando and Busch Gardens Tampa in the same state and they're both just a little over an hour away from each other. Six Flags doesn't have any parks that close to each other, but if they did, I see no reason why they couldn't keep two parks in the same market open the same way SeaWorld can. Even if they did want to sell off any parks, my first choices would be some unnecessary Hurricane Harbor properties. But if there was one park I'd want to see them sell off, it probably be La Ronde. Six Flags has neglected that park more than any other in America, and unless they now plan to treat it the same way as Canada's Wonderland, I think they'd be better off letting the Quebec government find better operators for it.
It's amazing how prophetic your moniker has turned out to be. I'm shocked.
You couldn't reaaly count the newest Vekoma additions since those must have been in the planning stage for well over a year. The merger might not have been in the cards at that point yet.
not just coasters they get more unique falat rides
family and thriil and classic
I think most people's biggest concern is whether or not the Cedar Fair parks will be able to maintain a sense of individual identity. The chain certainly does have patterns (large parks getting B&M gigas or Intamin gigas, non Paramount parks having S&S drop towers, windseekers, Planet Snoopy... etc) but overall the parks get to have a sense of identity.
Six Flags isn't 100% cookie cutter but they certainly are more so than Cedar Fair. They have their exceptions like Great Escape, Fiesta Texas and Fronteir City feeling different. And Great Adventure and Discovery Kingdom certainly benefit from their wild life exhibits. But in general each Six Flags feels like a modified version of the same overall thing.
With time it seems inevitable that the staunch differences between each set of parks will begin to fade and I think we're all curious what will come out of it. Will they all blend together with cheap 2 dimensional DC comics and Looney Tunes areas? Hopefully not. But I also doubt that they'll all become vastly different from each other and be as unique and impressive as Fiesta Texas or Knotts Berry Farm.
Both of those parks also use the same IP's as their sister parks.
@@rossh688 yes. But it would be silly to argue that they aren't unique among their respective chains. They are each quite different to the point of being borderline true theme parks instead of amusement parks. They definitely don't feel like recreations of their sister parks.
I honsestly think that Over Georgia should get the Fiesta Texas treatment because of how bad management is at the park
They are still separate companies until the close of the transaction
I was going to post this as well. There should be press releases updating the status / closing, but an easy way to tell is to look up the SIX ticker symbol - if the stock is trading, the transaction hasn't happened yet. The combined company will trade under the symbol FUN.
I don’t mean to be overly optimistic, but I feel like everybody is anticipating that the new company is going to be budget, focused with its investments, and I just don’t see that being the case. I think they have an opportunity to streamline operations and take the best workflows merchandise Food suppliers from each respective company. I think they could also start sharing parts between each park and buying in bulk so that rides can operate with more trains and have less downtime. I think if anything we’re going to start seeing larger investments. Maybe not every park every year but it’s , not likely that cedar fair, who likes to spend $30 million on giga, coasters and renovate. Their parks would just slap a cheap roller coaster up at one of the Six Flags parks and not pay any attention to landscaping and theming.
I don't think it's a wise idea to build hotels at every big Six Flags or Cedar Fair park. The failure of Camp Cedar at Kings Island proved that just because a park is big and gets a lot of attendance, doesn't mean it can or should be turned into a multi-day destination like Cedar Point. Besides, that land could go to much better use than a hotel that is basically guaranteed to fail.
Yeah not sure why kings island did that anyways. It’s never been much of a destination park, majority of there business is locals that are well within driving distance.
Camp Cedar isn't a failure, it isn't owned by the same people anymore, that's why they aren't working with the park, plus there has been 3 hotels opened since 2018, and they are still open making a bunch of money, along with Camp Cedar.
Why font they rebrand As cedar flags not six flags Carowinds let's start a Pettition 😂
Relocating RailBlazer to SFOG might be a good idea. But I would rather prefer for SFOG to recieve a large scale Raptor that's the same size as Wonder Woman at SFMM. So I think it would make sense to send RailBlazer to either SFNE or SFSTL
They'd also be home to two RMCs. A pretty rare thing in its own right!
I'll still say it: Return the theming to Six Flags Great America
Also hope they add an immersive Looney Tunes land, Six Flags Great America deserves one as our current kiddie areas are shit, plus we're the reason Six Flags even has the right to WB characters in the first place
They could get a DC Super Friends and Bugs Bunny Boomtown kids area. SFOG got theirs back in 2016 so it makes sense for SFGAm to get one as well
Six flags over Georgia needs surgery bro no fr that park look like it’s going in the ground
They need the Fiesta Texas treatment with the merger taking place
I wonder if the newly merged entity will make a play to buy your CZcams Channel name. Haha. You were ahead of the times.
If we get railblaizer at SFOG I'm gonna be SOOO HAPPPY 😱 🙀 😱 🙀 😱 🙀 😅❤😅❤😂😮😂😮🎉
I agree, we denfenity need a Raptor as our next major coaster after the Ultra Surf. But I would prefer for SFOG to get a Raptor as large as Jersey Devil or Wonder Woman at SFMM
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RailBlazer would be great at Six Flags America
They need to sell off some of their parks off if you want this merge to come through
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I hate Six Flags. Most of their parks suck. You will now have less competition between the parks which means you will see less improvement. Competition is good. I've been through 2 mergers. People will be let go and parks WILL be sold and or closed. The government will make them do this because of all this new companies debt. Cedar Fair parks will go in decline and be affected by this. It's already starting. Kings Island just released their new schedule fir 2024. Opening later. Closing sooner Less operating hours. This is Six Flags fault. They will destroy the parks.
Cedar fairs in charge so everything will be fine.
both chains have been losing money on competition with each other for years now , ticket prices have not changed in 20 years for most of these chains parks.
that is what's been killing the industry, both chains are just keeping their heads above water financially .
And yes some people will lose their jobs, and yes some smaller parks will be sold of/closed for ever, but they had to merge to both avoid bankruptcy in the future
They haven’t even fully merged yet this is just them announcing it. I highly doubt six flags management has anything to do with King’s Island having a lesser schedule next year
It’s not SF fault. Stop being silly. The merger hasn’t happened yet.
Richard Zimmerman is the head CEO not Salim came on your smarter then this, are you an anti-six flags activist just to show your dislike for six flags well NEWS FLASH nobody cares and if you have pay attention maybe you could understand why they both agree that has been said by many times but you won't listen and you'll continue to say that you hate six flags while everyone just ignores and doesn't care
the merge won't officially happen till 2025 so both park will run like they normal do till 2025 season