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Do You HAVE To Counter Balance To Do U-turns?
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Counter balance, don't counter balance...either way, go PRACTICE and see what works for you when you're doing my drills. I don't care what you do to complete them, just complete them. MotoJitsu.com/store for my books, app, merch, etc.
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How is the neotec helmet?
Does it run small and u need a size bigger than normal?
Would you buy it again?
Is it a good summer helmet or hotter than most?
I'm rolling with a bell in the summer and a Sedici in the winter last year but wanting to get down to a single helmet all year.
Thanks for the easy-to-understand tips. Practicing slow speed maneuvers to brush up my skills. Female, almost 70, back in the saddle again. Lovin’ it.
You go!
This is the best video on this important subject. I got a fully dressed Honda VTX 1300 for my first bike last year and was having a lot of difficulty at low speed turns. After this vid and some practice I can whip that thing around a whole lot better. My comfort level has gone from a 2 to an 8. Thank you very much!
Your videos and you teaching style are greatly and widely appreciated worldwide, I am sure. Many thanks and keep up the great work!
Counter balance is indeed shifting your weight on the opposite side of the turn (the highest side of the motorcycle while leaning) but pressing the footpegs has nothing to do with it.
In other words, you are counter balancing every time you are just shifting your weight, since the centre of mass is shifting regardless you are putting pressure on your footpegs.
Yeah. I would say he was still counter-balancing on the last demo by leaning in the opposite direction. But he did seem to need to go faster for tighter turns 🤔
Check this guy's channel out czcams.com/video/R80gMsu7NaE/video.html - He's pretty good at explaining stuff. And kind of funny too. At the end of the video here he mentions the need for counter-balancing 👍
After your last uturn video I practiced the extreme counter balancing and found pushing my knee into my bike helped get me into a position further out and could reduce my turn radius even more.
Same here!
I'm curious, when trying the extreme counter balancing manoeuvres, if you ever dump the bike. I have an aversion to dumping my bike, so I don't even want to try that stuff, but I realize too that worrying dumping the bike is holding me back.
@@alozborne not with the counter balancing but I have other times, sliders or cages make it a lot safer.
@@hithro5466 Thanks for the feedback!
@@gnarthdarkanen7464 Interesting idea, a beater bike would be fun and it would definitely make me less concerned about dropping the bike. Thanks!
Excellent! I'm still holding practice sessions here in Florida. I'm getting better moving to different motorcycles as I do the techniques as a demo for different people on thier bike so they can see that it is possible. I tell people that come out, "Practice till you get it right. Then keep practicing till you can't get it wrong."
Love your stuff! You’ve made me a better rider..
One thing I’m not comfortable with is making u-turns in a gravel parking lot on my cruiser!!!
I couldn't agree more...2019 cb500x here.
Bret Tkacs would chuckle a bit ae 😁
Counterbalancing is the most underrated aspect of motorcycle. It can tighten lines and give you slow speed stability like no other..
“Have Home Depot”. Love it! Need to find some blacktop!
This Dude is the truth! My wife and I have watched most of his videos. We've applied what he's taught us! Now we make other riders look like noobs why we whip around they are busy doing a 5 point turn!!
It's my understanding that you CAN U-turn without counter balancing but you gotta be locked and dialed and coming in with some more speed.
It seems counter balance lets you go slower and lean harder and then snap back up and make changes quicker.
Great explanation on weighting and body position. It helped me understand the concept better. Thanks showing the difference between the two methods.
Great stuff man. Was running through white belt drills yesterday. I noticed that with my bike, which has a very wide seat, it was easier NOT to shift my butt over to counterbalance. While playing around, I discovered what you just said here, I could make the same 15ft or so turn regardless of what I was doing with my body position. It seemed to really come down to using the friction zone to maintain speed/radius/lean angle. Thanks for all you do brother.
Greg, Your vids never let me down, "Dont have 2 tools in your belt. Be Batman."
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I see it as trading between counterbalance and speed. Both provide stability. For a fixed curve, you can use less speed if you counterbalance compared to if you don't. Doing the u-turn more slowly can be beneficial when less grip and also for nerves
You are a legend, sharing your knowledge with us is the reason that there are less accidents cause people watch/listens you
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Thanks for the video! By your definitions, I use your second method of just keeping my torso vertical while I lean the bike.
whatever works :)
Thank you! this is exactly what I needed to hear! Time to go practice!!
You're so welcome!
Thanks for all your videos, question on the Rallye Pro jacket. I like the idea of the medical info in the ID sleeve. What do you suggest/have in there?
No need to over exaggerate the counter balance … just keep the throttle loaded and constant (idle to 1500 rpm depending on bike) (idle for zx14r and similar bikes) … keep power to the rear wheel (friction zone), use only the rear brake for control, and keep that head turn. Then just practice practice practice … before you leave home, do a u-turn on your street and another u turn, circle, figure-8 when you come home… or the closest side street near your house … once you know the basic technique it’s just practice practice and more practice.
Incorporate at least one uturn in all your rides.
Thanks for that. A really good explanation and demonstration 👍
Hi i have a question did you at all use the rear brake when you turned the bike.
Many thanks
To me, the more speed/momentum I carry on a U Turn the bike feels better and turns well. Not crazy speed. But not slow either.
With slow speeds, you get that "it's gonna fall" feeling which then forces you to put your leg down to prepare for a fall.
Then there are the ones that ride really heavy cruisers training the insane multiple tight lean turns. Like it's nothing.
Eddie - seven thousand views, and only 768 likes😳😳? . I really don't get it. I've said on your channel before, I'm 60 and I learn from every single one of your videos. Your absolute passion and your good natured, but stern / serious advice - ie "Either listen or just carry on being useless on a bike" is honestly, THE best there is out there. Ride safe brother, and again - thank you Eddie for your passion and time
Training video, repeated views by the same audience, “return view” for people practicing my man.
@@wingwang007 ok mate. I’m practicing too 🤪😉
Great video as always. Its distressing so many people, can't seem to understand that you are showing MULTIPLE ways of doing things, most are bike and situation or simply preference specific. I will never understand this "YOU MUST" attitude these days. PS I want a GS1250 so damn bad!!!!
Hi Greg.. I've been riding since just over a year on a 160cc bike... and am a little afraid seeing it has really skinny tyres from putting my knee down in a parking lot... how can I overcome that fear ?
I have learnt nearly all of your low speed maneuvers and drill available on your channel bit I still can't get just the knee part down...
Your tutorials have been really inspirational and easy o understand.. and they've helped me become a really polished rider. Now I wish to enter a amateur racing league and need to polish my track skills
Ps : love from India 🇮🇳
God bless you sir !!
Just practice more. Even skinny tires have a lot of grip!
Trust your tires and go slow. Warm up your tires just so you have maximum grip and slowly (but surely) go knee down. Don't chicken out, I believe that your skills are there and you are just fearful to drop your bike or to get hurt in some sort of way. If it helps you use all the gear you would use on a regular basis and get some sliders, maybe a friend or two to help motivation wise and to be there for you.
We all believe you. You got this ;)
Well I don't get it, you are keeping your weight on top of the center of mass when you lean the motorcycle, you don't lean with it. Isn't that counterbalancing?
No footpeg pressure
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Awesome video ! Thanks
Thanks
I used to counter balance everytime and found it fun, until one day I didn't see a small patch of oil and my front tire went under and down I went.. hurt my pinkie finger and scratch my new sadle bags , no biggies. But now I don't do that anymore, just stay up straight, lock the bar full turn and go nice and slow and can usually stay within 1 lane.
Were you counter steering in the last example when you were NOT counter leaning?
Awesome! Thank you!
Awesome video smart man
are you doing that with first gear or second gear??? and is it possible to do uturn on a 2nd gear???
What about U-turns from a stop on a sports bike? Since we are usually very forward.
already made these:
czcams.com/video/F6tKzqILS6A/video.html
czcams.com/video/0GGbn8JUcHY/video.html
Amazing skills. I will keep practicing...
Counter Balancing or something like that.
I weigh 100lbs and when I do counterbalancing it feels like it doesn't affect the bike as much. I ride a 600 pound bike with midfoot controls
You're torso is still staying upright on the last one which is still a little counter balance as opposed to leaning with the bike which would be zero counter balance. Just what it appears to be. I don't know much as I'm still a beginner and only been riding 3 years. Please don't take this as a negative comment, just an observation. Love your videos. Thanks.
Yeah i wanted to comment on that one but you already did ^^' , he is counter balancing on the last one, the fact he is not using his legs to reposition his body doesn't mean he is not using his upper body by not moving it while lowering the bike, like a kinda involuntary counter balancing X). If he really didn't wanted to use counter balance then he had to keep his upper body in line with the bike, but that will imply going faster on the u-turn cause of the added weight to the inside of the turn. Check some moto Gymkhana videos to see how they take extremely sharp u-turns by going in line or inside the bike not counterbalancing at all, but, you have to go fast on the u-turn to pull i off.
Sir, could you tell me where you got that chin mount for the go pro on your neotec 2?
I really need a Beater motorcycle to practice on, the thought of dropping my ZH2 makes my booty pucker up
Ok, I was confusing counter-balance and counter-leaning. I understand counter-balance is not necessary but if I get it right, counter-leaning is not an option for low speed U-turns, isn't it? Cheers
I tend to load my outside butt cheek, less extreme than the foot peg but I would still say it is counterbalancing.
Cheers once again Greg !
Thanks
what would be a good goal to aim for as in the minimum distance to turn a bike or do a figure of 8?
Folks typically do the figure 8s in a parking lot square of 4 spaces. It’s pretty tight! 😅
Not for everyone but for me is to get full steering lock before I get satisfied. So min distance will depend on motorcycles since there are differences in max steering lock and wheelbase.
Start with a goal of 18ft x 32ft regardless of what bike you have. Then decrease the radius as you get tighter and tighter coming to full lock and full lean. As you learn to transition you can decrease the 32ft length as well.
At 6:20 Motojitsu says no counter leaning but his upper body clearly leans the other way, is it still not counter leaning?
the bike is leaning over, I'm just staying upright
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Have you tried U turns with your weight at the front of the bike and then back? Witch one makes the u turn short?
How and why on earth would you do that?
Not sure that putting your weight on one foot peg changes your bike’s and body’s common centre of gravity. So unless you move your body in a meaningful way your CG will remain much the same and there will be minimal benefit.
Clutch throttle and stay off the front brake.
Thank u sir .👍🏻
Good stuff.
The only correct answer is......it depends on the speed you are going.
So why teach counterbalanceling if it doesn't have an effect
It’s one way of doing it, not the only way.
Impressive 👍
excellent
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Morning Eddie
surely you don't suggest that your last example didnt have ANY counter balancing? Of course you were counter balancing. You just weren't placing weight on pegs or moving your butt off seat but it's obvious that you were leaning to the opposite side as the bike lean.
I don't counterbalance and I can make the same diameter u-turn on my Harley.
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Should I do this drunk?
The motorcycle looks like some kind of nasty insect. Interesting what BMW designers smoked at work?
Dude - you are completely leaning (aka counterbalancing). Reason is - physics.