The Dark Shadows of Britannian Society in Code Geass
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Nina: *builds a nuclear bomb*
Also Nina: all these people... how could they have died??? 😭😭😭
I dunno Nina, maybe it's because YOU BUILT A FUCKING NUKE
Literally Oppenheimer
Wasn't it Sakuradite? Because no nuclear radiation
@@hibemabygaming4316 Doesn't matter. It's the same level of destruction minus the fallout and possible nuclear winter.
I know right?
Like?
WHAT?
@@boomer310 true but at least he acknowledged the potential that the atomic bomb would actually be used if necessary. Nina only made it because it was interesting. She didn’t even process the reality that, when used, it would easily annihilated large swaths of people. Oppenheimer understood exactly what he built.
Remember what she did to the table-kun
Oh my God. That was awful!
😂i was just thinking that
Then Nunnally rolls in *sniff sniff* are you eating tuna?
@@nightblader1 "im ok just had a bad itch teee heeee"
Yeah, girl molested a table!!!
I dislike her for her attitude towards Lelouch at the end of the series. She says to him she doesn't think she could ever forgive him for killing Euphemia. Well guess what Nina, we don't forgive you for killing millions with a bomb built out of spite and you receiving no long term punishment. Or was that not Nina yelling "Fire the Fleija Suzaku, kill Zero!" Knowing it's blast radius is the size of a city.
Ok but I think Nina would probably say a royal was more important than numbers or commoners or even nobles
@@josepigroyper370 which is even worse
@@davidos8760 how so
@@josepigroyper370 the fact she values a single person over so many
@@davidos8760 sir have you read monarchist or fascist political theory
I didn’t hate her, I just cringed at any and all scenes she was in
That poor table lol.
@@forbiddenyang Exactly. To me she just felt over-done and just... I don't know, cringy?
Her character made me realize I was watching a Japanese TV show (Anime), if you know what I mean.
She's ignorant, cowardly, and just unhinged enough to cause serious damage. She's an example of the extremist side of the Britannian people who look down on those who are different and seek solace in one powerful figure. I just never took her seriously since she felt like nothing more than a measly worm to me in the end.
@@Swat_Dennis But not people fighting in giant robots? 🤔
I hated her, xenophobia, racism, and then she created a nuclear weapon to kill people, and she had the nerve to feel bad about after she saw how successful it was, her government didn’t care, they just wanted their totalitarian rule to be absolute
When talking about why people hate her it is a crime not to mention her victim Table-kun
#PrayForTableKun
#PrayForTableKun
#PrayForTableKun
Wait what, happened again
@@cosmicgauss1636 Nina got herself off, using the student council's table.
I hate Nina because she dedicated a weapon of mass destruction to one of the most kind-hearted, pacifistic people I've seen in anime. And she didn't see the problem with that.
I've seen a lot of comments citing this reason for hating Nina, and this is the one I believe.
well when you take the one thing away from someone who is allread mentally unstable bad things happen
@@vhaelen326 and we don't have to like them for it
Nina is a distilled version of what people think Lelouch is: thousands of people could die as long as her goals are achieved. She was literally screaming at Suzaku to release the FLEIJA warhead, at the start of the second battle for Tokyo, just so Zero would die. And then she had the gall to scream "I DIDN"T KNOW IT WAS THAT POWERFUL" about a bomb she created.
She really pulled an Oppenheimer lol, "I am become death, destroyer of worlds"
i mean she was also brought up in an incredibly racist society, watched her idol and love interest get murdered by a terrorist and get groomed into building said bomb by not just a prince, not just THE prince (yes yes oddyseus was first i believe but he had less personality and intelect then a loaf of bread and is the epitome of the 'the first one allways comes out wrong' saying) but also the brother of her love interest and idol who also happens to be incredibly charming and manipulative oh also i believe she was what 16 ish at the start of the series? so while her actions speak for themselfs i would say there are broader circumstances to consider
literally the opposite dumbass@@roco1634
She was willing to destroy an entire city as vengeance for Euphemia. Any sympathy I could have had was lost... until she joined our lord and savior, Zero. XD
This.
Only I never liked her even after she joined up with Zero
It was kind of too late for her in my book by that time
@@rosefriday4287 same
I hate this I got spoiled
I just started watching
Code geass R2
But yeah even if she joins I will never forgive her
Wait when did she joined him, I have seen code Geass entirely but can't remember that
@@whitelight2195 she get bad for creating nukes and joined zero to stop the big nuke dropping ship thing
This is something I only hear people say about Bojack Horseman characters, but I feel it fits Nina great.
She’s a great character, but a horrible person.
She is a really good depiction of an abused racist.
She's a well-written abused racist.
the difference between her and bojack characters, are that those characters are likable.
@@nimbusykz2288 Not really. That’s the point of the whole “horrible person” part.
You just get more time to learn to love Bojack than you do Nina.
Nina is more like a real life horrible person, you don’t get to know their motives or backstory.
They aren’t supposed to be easy to like.
@@SilverRagaire he invent the nuclear bomb just avenge that princess(i forgot his name)just because he want to say thx but not be able to
@@justyourdan7971 A characters actions aren’t really the point here.
Nina killed millions of unknown people and tried to atone.
Bojack killed one known person and tried to runaway.
Neither of these facts change my earlier point.
As a young innocent man seeing the ‘table’ seen, i was actually scarred
i didnt even understand what she was doing until i rewatched it
And then it was never brought up or explained further or talked about again, madlads
lmao that scene was honestly traumatizing for me 😭
Why the table... why not your hand!?
I'm still going to therapy after seeing that scene
HOT TAKE!
Milly Ashford had feelings for Lelouch. But knowing Shirley's the same way and her duty of restoring the Ashford Family. She accepted that her feelings will never come in to fruition.
This take is Kato approved.
I honestly thought she had feelings for Shirley
Imao bro all the girls in the series(except Nina ofc) had crush on him at some point or the other
Was there ever a point in the show were it made abundantly clear that Milly Ashford was crushing on Lelouch? If there was please do tell.
@@lolo-san8818 Episode 12 r2. She wanted everyone to get Lelouch's hat for her during the Cupid day event for her graduation. You should also look at the picture dramas involving her, you get a deeper look on her feelings. It's also known that if Lelouch stayed as a Prince and Marianne was still 'alive' then the two would've gotten betrothed since the Ashfords and the vi Britannias were allies.
Id bully Nina
Same 💀
Same
Mhmmmmmm
Same
Same. 💀
I've heard Nina is one of those characters who the Japanese and Western fans react to very differently.
How so ?
@@jayantchoudhary1495 I don't know, it's something I think I remember hearing, I'm fishing to see anyone else heard the same thing.
I wouldn't be surprised
Kinda like Chiba-Usa
I suppose thats linked to the japanese/asian ideas of tragic and unrequited love. Thats either ignored or vilified in the west, see incels.
I think she’s necessary for the show to be realistic. Not everyone makes the right choice all the time.
THANK YOU. she's literally one of the most human characters in code geass, not to mention traumatized. i feel like most of the hate is just because of the table tbh. it feels very hypocritical.
@@ragan2883 if the most human characters is racist then you say that all character in CG is not human because they are not racist ?
The show would be realistic even without her, anything can happen as long as it's not impossible.
@@si-level I’m mean racism exist so why would you think it’s not human like.
@@ragan2883
I only sympathize with table-kun. I stand with victims.
"You only see them as people because you're one of them."
- Some Britannian probably
That seems like a quote from Envy in Fullmetal Alchemist when he says (approximately) : You only see them as people because if not your brother wouldn't be either" when talking about the souls in the philosopher stone
This is what Ms. Lohmeyer said to Suzaku in R2 during the One Million Miracles
The scary thing about the Emperor's speech is that it has a cruel logic behind it. People are born different so it's easy to argue that it is pointless to try and force fairness and equality. It's a idea that successful people can easily be pulled into; thinking that it would be unfair to you to force you to be equal with someone at a lower level than you.
Execpt it makes absolutely no sense considering that successful people are only successful because they are stepping on the backs of everyone else. Literally no successful person would be successful without a labour force
@@alizaidi2893 You are misunderstanding me. I am talking about how some people are born smarter than others. Or, as the emperor puts in his speech, swifter of foot then others.
For example if you think of the world with RPG stats, everyone does not start out at an equal number. Some people have better stats in fields like luck or intelligence than their fellow men. This gives them an unfair advantage in things like being an investor or a scientist.
It was this unfairness that lead to social Darwinism viewpoint that people like the Britannians believe in. Its a cruel argument that states the ideal that if you have an advantage over your fellow people, then it is only logical for you to use that advantage to your benefit; even if it hurts others who are less fortunate. And that there is nothing wrong with that cause that is just how the natural world works and who are we to stand in the way of progress and evolution.
The issue I was stating is that it can make a lot of logical sense to someone hearing it if you disregard the more immoral parts of this belief structure. You reply only makes sense in a modern context where we are taught to care for others but to a person who views Social Darwinism as true what you say is illogical. Why should the successful care what happens to the losers. Its their fault they lost even if the board was stacked against them.
I will also say, as a personal point, that I do find your viewpoint a bit too pessimistic. While it is easier to "Step on the backs of others" and a great many people do do that, not all successful people step on the backs of others.
Some treat their work force great or give them morally appropriate compensation for their work. There are also some people who are successful outside of the corporate world like researchers or inventors who discover or invent great things in their homes or garages.
While I do agree that no one becomes successful inside of a vacuum and requires some aid or resources provided from somewhere and/or someone else, I don't think everyone succeeds by standing on the backs of others. Some succeed by standing on the shoulders of giants.
@@Nostripe361 nobody is born "smarter" than others tho no need to write literally paragraphs starting for a completly false talking point especially from an anime. Thats just way to over the top lol
i mean yeah it is but he did have a little bit of a point.
@@alizaidi2893 I'm 10 months late, but I'll still call bullshit.
We've had people born capable of greatness from a very young age. There are people who ARE inherently more intelligent/smarter/intellectual than others. People are NOT born equal, nor are they created equal. Some are born with crippling genetic disorders like cerebral palsy, and some people are born with muscles that generate less fatigue toxins than the average human, making them "swifter of foot", as one could say.
The human race is an exercise in diversity, an exercise in DIFFERENCE. It doesn't justify enslaving others, and it doesn't justify racism, but it's an inescapable fact, a part of the cold, harsh truth that we call reality.
I honestly had a good laugh when they said “could you get back in the closet please?” Had me cracking up lmao
Lmao it was funny. My friends sometimes joke about that to me
Me to, gets me every time lol
this video is a surprise to be sure, but a welcome one
Table-kun deserves justice
I remember that bish went crazy when Euphemia got shot
1:46 - "Actually, I would prefer Milly~!"
What is that _adorable_ voice?!?
I haven't forgotten about table-kun
Avenge table-kun
Code Geass truly is a master piece. Beside Lelouch we see many characters like Suzaku, C2, Euphie, Rolo, Nina, Kallen, Prince Schneizel, Emperor Charles with various character development, complexity and ideals.
The whole "category/social group x are both weak and vulnerable and incredibly threating at same time " is a strong fascist trait and talking point. Loved the touch
He made me think of US views on mexicans at that point. And probably not so much by chance. Great analysis.
Like the totally not political relevant topic :P Its also capitalism, or rather the especially not socalist capitalism. Te pitying against each othr in promoting conflicting self interests.
What’s wrong with fascist traits and talking points?
@@FirstLast-wu1gl did you just ask what’s wrong with Fascist traits?
That's literally the mindset of any rebellious group. You need them threatening to justify your actions, but you need to have them have some kind of weakness to have any hope of defeating them.
People seriously have tunnel vision when they do the same thing but only see it in groups of people they don't like.
Just remembered that regular Britannian society is even worst than this because Ashford is described as a "liberal" school. So if all of this is the norm there then it is even worst than what we think it is.
This show gets better with literally every watch. I think even just glancing at it can somehow make you appreciate it more .
I love Code Geass.
Same
and so
do we
Same
its a good show but nina is the fucking worst 💀
@@sofvckingtired almost finished it and really hopes she dies, there were a lot of other people that didn't deserve it
No one else is saying it that I can see so.... poor table-kun
I like when shows make you read between the lines, but when I was watching Code Geass, it always felt like there was something missing from Nina. I understood her character but couldn't really figure out why she was the way she was.
I appreciate this explanation and love video essays, but I feel like Code Geass could have tossed in a few more details on Nina's life.
This was a great video. Keep up the good work.
"Numbers being docile beaten dogs that are also dangerous to be around" that form of double think is actually the typical thought process of fascists.
Nah its more of a neoliberal and neoconservative talking point, real fascists dont think like this at all, you should check out julius evola.
@@NeostormXLMAX that is actually what fascists are all about. You are wrong my guy.
They are weak because they are not us - and they are a threat because they are something we must overcome.
And wasn't Julius Evola a Superfascist?
Can you blame the girl for crushing on Milly?
Yup. Shirley is better.
@@Darth_Bateman C.2 is my girl crush
kallen za besto
No but I can blame her for what she did to that table last time that was the last time I watch anime with my friends in the room
@@jackmakila3776 Gods I hate this table.
My hatred for Nina wasn't till she came back in R2, and more specifically during the Chinese Arc. It really shows how much she let her obsession to avenge Euphemia gets to her and showing an ugly side of her.
Though one line does get to me, she accuses Kallen for pretending to be her friend. Even taking account of both audio and picture dramas, these two rarely interacted with each other. Not to mention her other obsession with science to make her this universe's Albert Einstein (I have my own issues that with this that relate to Code Geass' own history being a huge headache to understand, but I digress). I think this line would have hit nearly as hard as Nina's outburst to Milly (which gave insights to both those characters) if we had seen these two interact more. But I guess Nina has a different way of internalizing who is a friend and who isn't; which for an antisocial character, who may or may not have had a horrible experience in the ghettos, and a long time friend like Milly looking over her would have her view things differently.
Kallen say she "hate" britannians and see some of them as monster, but she pretended to be britannian, to be their friends and classmate while considering herself as their enemy. isn't that evil too ? how will you react if you sudenly find out that one of your classmate was working for a terrorist organisation and fighting against your countrymen, her countrymen as well in a way ? that while she was smilling to your face, she was insulting and belittle you behind your back ? it is natural for the students of Ashford to feel betrayed because she did betray their trust
@@clementpetillot9383 while this is true; I still stand by Nina and Kallen having little interaction. 95% of Nina's on screen showing in R1 is with her face in a computer screen. And don't forget, Kallen was also able to distinguish between the everyday citizen of Britannia from those in higher positions of power after Narita.
Not to mention, there is one fellow student that does understand Kallen's position and had one thought about that in said Chinese Arc.
But as I said, someone from Nina's position probably interprets something like Friendship differently, like since the Student Council is mostly filled with a tight group of friends she feels safe. So I guess from that view, upon learning Kallen is a Black Knight and half-Japanese (or Eleven from Nina's view) that would be viewed as a betrayal.
Still doesn't change R2s ugly side of her, willing to kill even a child through crushing them in a tomb, even risking more political/diplomatic issues/violations just to fulfill her obsession.
Stupid 11
“Could you go back to the closet? 🙄🖐” I just find this line hilarious, but only after I came out of the closet, during the first watch, when I was in the closet, it kinda hurt....
Ria Ri, that line is also in the Japanese dub, so it’s not just a line exclusively to the English dub, and the person telling the Britainnian lesbian that has a crush on the school’s president Milly is just one of the many many Britainnian in the series that are openly prejudiced to everybody that aren’t straight Britainnians in Code Geass.
@@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr ahh, yeah, yeah, sure...
@@Marian_Polnocny , the prejudices that Britannians had towards other people that weren’t straight Britainnians didn’t stop until Suzaku became the official king of Britannia; Nunally as the Vice Roy, and the Black Knights as the main military branch of the Britannian army at the end of Season 2 of Code Geass.
@@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr Bruh
@@Marian_Polnocny , my most favorite none Geass user in Code Geass is Loyd, and besides him the characters I like the most in Code Geass tends to be Geass users.
Always felt Nina as innocent person who was victim of Britianan mindset and was too afraid to understand Japanese or other believe she country is in the right. Even though she felt imperfect to way a Britian should acto
She started off innocent but had her character twisted into an obsessive lesbian character, yanking on tables' corners... They could've done much better with this character they showed as a perverted deviant.
@@BroJo676 she is a perv and a deviant
There is probably some extra material some where, though I can't substantiate it since I only have her wiki article and even that doesn't link a source; but she apparently had a horrible experience when going through the ghettos.
Personal experience will even override societal ones, especially when her views to Elevens is mostly fear, not superiority.
And of course, let's not forget Schneizel manipulated her love for Euphemia that I think it only worsened her obsession to kill Zero. Taking only her weapon killing a majority of the Tokyo Settlement, which includes thousands of Civilians, to snap her out of that obsession.
She doesn't forgive Zero in the end, but she isn't hellbent trying to murder someone any more.
@@strategicperson95 On top of a lot of her encounters with Elevens early in the show involving Terrorism.
She grew as character in the end really trying up or her mistakes. Not that she int hatable but she does try to make up for her less than great thing later. Unlike others she and suzaku did reflect on their faults.
No, It's because she's a perpetual 'victim' with no accountability. Everyone had anti 11 attitudes but got over it when they learned about Suzaku... except for her.
Your insight on society in Code Geass is impressive. I honestly never saw it that way. This video just inspired me to look at the story from a new perspective next time I watch it. Thanks for the informative content too. It's both entertaining and educational.
Glad you liked it!
Let's also not forget in season 2, spoilers btw if you havent seen...
Schneizel manipulating her in order to eventually get FLEIJAHs to enact his plan with Damocles... she came around at the end... so there's that. She's at least a redeemed character... somewhat.
I think that when Suzaku moves to the academy, it is completely normal and expected that he would suffer… after all he WAS charged and trialed for the MURDER of a prince!! It was publicly televised and all that, so of course he would suffer a little. Bullying in schools happens for a lot less than a MURDER OF A POI charge…
I like the subtle Deathnote OST playing in the background
I forgave Nina a long time ago - nobody acknowledges the level of personal growth she had to achieve in order for her to side with Lelouch and help create the Zero's Requiem at the end of R2. She had an Obsession that led to a Vendetta that led to a Mistake that led to a Breakdown that led to a Regret that led her to support the very person she originally had a vendetta against. But everyone just seems to clock out at the Breakdown and write her off as certifiably insane. It's an incredibly small-minded view of her that I was also guilty of until a more recent re-watch of the series, but Nina is a changed person by the end of R2 and NO ONE acknowledges it.
thanks to nina lelouch survived yes
This. I hugely agree with this
She was barely a relevant character in my eyes tbh (at least, compared to the important players like Lelouch, Nunnally, Suzaku, Schneizel, etc), but I noticed that the catalyst that changed her was when she realized just how much destruction the FLEIJA could inflict
Her insecurity led her to admire Euphemia, whose death drove her mad being the only person she ever looked up to (because Euphy was I think, all the things Nina was not but wanted to be), and then that grudge against Zero drove her to this much until she realized just how much destruction her insecurity and grudge caused….
She definitely had some great character development there tbh, ngl, here’s from a person who acknowledges her being a changed person from the first watch
She’s boring
@@boaoftheboaians When you look back on it, this tracks. Euphemia was sweet, kind, and forgiving to EVERYONE(Japanese included) Nina could never be those things cuz of her experiences so she loved and idolized Euphie
Man, this morning I thought "damn, I should give CG a rewatch", and here you are, with yet another reason to do it.
Personally my problem with Nina is two fold. First is while it isn't hard to assume that Nina was a victim of bullying for a multitude of reasons, unlike Suzaku were never shown it. I can believe it's happened but without seeing it for myself I can't connect or sympathize with her struggles. This whole telling, or rather implying instead of showing can be applied to many of the other side characters as well making them feel very underdeveloped. Secondly I'm not sure if Nina siding with Lelouch was suppose to be her redemption or attonement but it falls flat to me when you realize she went from serving one madman to serving another (yes I am talking about Lelouch). I also have a hard time believing she truly cared about her so called friends when she was willing to put their lives in danger on two separate occasions just to kill one man. If I was her friend I'd probably never want to talk or see her after that.
Avenge table-kun
6:49 Hey, bro, you should check on your smoke alarm.
Thank God, I thought it was mine.
Glad to see Code Geass
Everyone is different, that is true, but that doesn't make people inherently superior or inferior, everyone is different, thus, people have different strengths and weaknesses associated with the factors that makes them different, we have people in a wheelchair, unable to move that have strength when it comes to mind, don't pity them, because they are superior in mind, at the same time we have stupid people that have strength in the traditional way, muscle power, and others that have neither muscle nor mind, but can do task and find joy in task others dont want, I find those people the more valuable in a society right now, because we clearly need more of them, taxi drivers that are happy, because most people only seem to be in those jobs because they have to do it and they seem miserable with it and project that in others, making the society as a whole worse, and others devalue their work because of things like that. All people are not created equal, but all people have value.
You are partially right but I really doubt there are many people who are willing to do alienating, monotone and repetitive jobs such as those in assembly line. A good percentage of jobs in today society is just soul crushing and serving only the capital anyway. Fortunately these are going to disappear no matter what with automation.
No that's just wrong, there are superior people in this world, it's just unimaginably difficult to become superior. You "just" have to take anything anyone else can do, and if you can produce a better product you're better than anyone who does the same, that's it.
Now do it for everything from drinking, to driving, to speaking, to cooking, to building, to reading, etc.
@@nedrostram2360 yes.what makes people speacial is because of those who are not
Great video.
I think side characters like this don’t get enough credit that they deserve in code geass, and many view characters negatively but also disregarding the value of the character in the context of a media itself
Nina is such a unique and interesting char honestly, when i used to be in the closet and in denial about being gay I absolutely hated Nina and I am sure a big part of that was because i saw a lot of myself in her and it made me resentful. Her being racist gave me cheap justification to dislike her but as I've gotten older and came out I've watched the show several times since then, now I feel sad for Nina; she's a teenager having to deal with a lot of baggage about what makes her "Nina" in a very bigoted society, much akin to the "Bible Belt" where i grew up, and makes me realize Nina is as much a result of her environment as I was when I was her age, it's just sad we don't see her truly grow past that part of her life.
I heard once that the reason Nina fears/hates, Elevens is because one time when she was younger she tried visiting the Eleven ghetto and got sexually assaulted.
I've been looking for artists forever, thank you! Also thank you, this video made me want to watch Code Geass and I did over the weekend
I have no words to describe how I love code geass
I just did a rewatch not too long ago. Nina and Suzaku were definitely the two I wanted to slap the most
Suzaku did nothing wrong
I just rewatched it and I always felt the same way as you. I was like if Lelouch just cut ties with Suzaku and killed him early on then he would've rule the entire world already on Season 1
@@bored3542 I think the hate for Suzaku is because he can be abit of a hypocrite sometimes
Another Great Code Geass Video. Great Job!
wait that why, I thought it was because of that table scenes
Honestly I liked ninas character, the whole “hating herself because of her sexuality” really added depth to her character and her motives
I only saw Coded Geass once so maybe that's why I didn't notice this extremely obvious thing, but I thought she just thought Euphy was a good person or something.
@@user-me5fh3yu1j she was dangerously obsessed with euphy after euphy saved her life
that would still be an understatement, she literally build a nuke to avenge her.
@@user-me5fh3yu1j you are correct. I have absolutely no clue where these people are getting this shit from. The relationship between Nina and Euphimia was never about sexuality, it was a power dynamic. Euphimia represented something to her, the type of person she wanted to be. Euphimia was a person she could look to for strength when she had none. Its an analogy for the idolization of people with global power and resolve, not homosexuality.
@@evanwarthen1146 I would agree with you, if not for the desk scene, which I think Netflix removed and that's why I thought she was straight in the first place
Why I hate Nina:
-She created FLEIJA
-She forget the fact that Euphy ordered the Britanians to kill the Japanese (She dont know that Zero used geass on her)
-She always get herself into troubles
She gave Table-kun trauma
I'll add Kallen there to. Can't stand those two
Code Geass 2021🔥🔥
4 life to be exact
I don't hate nina tbh...I wasn't even aware people hated her
when i finished the anime last year i loved her so much and was SHOCKED to see that she was hated....
So you guys didn’t felt any time of way when she discriminate towards the 11’s?
@@Dreamer-td5yz for me it was like yeah ofcourse she is going to be racust it is part of her character.
@@danieltsiprun8080 so let me get this straight if I’m always a racist fuck and you know I’m going to say something racist does that justify that I should receive no hate because that’s part of my character?
Dude if you then I find that normal and don’t hate me anymore then that’s an issue fucking call me out. Racist is Racist.
FUCK Nina from the beginning and to the end of the show mass murdering fuck.
@@Dreamer-td5yz it's a part of her character, sometimes being racist is interesting.
Well i never really hated Nina to be honest. When she had numerous mental breakdowns in season 1 i was only like: "Oh my god, ehh" and because of that i was happy for her when she became scientist. And kinda started to like her after she realized what kind of weapon she created later on. Her reaction was, understandably, regret.
I hated Nina as a person, but not as a character if that makes sense. Her flaws helped highlight the flaws within the society around her. In away, she seemed to me like a victim of Britannia’s system herself- brainwashed, living in fear of people from groups outside her own, and steeped in self loathing. She was annoying an hatible, but she never felt unnecessary to the story.
It was a very pleasant surprise to see such kind of analysis on one of my favourite animes. Deeper and better than what I expected when clicking, loved it.
Glad you enjoy it, Code Grass is also my favorite show. Feel free to check out more of my CG content! The Man Behind The Mask in particular is a good one, or the Mao vid if you want something shorter.
@@KatoBeyond I've been watching many of them since then, one at a time. No regrets, your takes have been able to show aspects of Code Geass I was blind to, while strengthening my love for the show.
I also appreciate your interpretations on Death Note, you helped me to make more sense why Near is my favourite character in the show, thanks.
@@metametodo Your comment warms my heart, as those effects listed are the very goals of those videos.
Code geass is my favorite anime thanks for keeping analyzing it
All people are not created equal, that is a fact. Losing a war in the past doesnt mean you deserve to be under occuption, you can always do round 2.
Poor table 😔
Whenever I see someone hating on Nina, it always saddens me because it shows how they didn't understand that she is a product of her environment, and has tragic circumstances of her own.
She does bad things, and I'm not excusing them, but I find it impossible to not feel bad for her.
Thanks for highlighting how underrated the nuance of Nina's internalized hatred is, and how it affects her life and behaviour.
People still make choices. Tragic past or not, Nina is hateful and is responsible for the deaths of probably millions, with no redeeming actions nor intentions.
I don’t hate her plot purpose but her character is absolutely hatable. Sure she had her struggles but was racist as hell of her own accord. And she did create the worst weapon to be used in the history of that world, her only redeeming act was creating an almost impossible to replicate way to stop it once and that’s it.
This channel is simply the greatest.
This is another reason I love code geass the small details
Nina might be a racist, but in her case it's not rooted in a superiority complex; it's rooted in fear. As twisted and crazy as she is, it might have become more understandable if the writers had expanded on how she got that way. From my point of view, she seems afraid of the Japanese, and I think it stems from a traumatic event, rather than a manipulated upbringing.
I actually feel pity for someone like her. She's psychologically damaged, and it prevents her from changing for the better. I think fans tend to throw the book at her excessively, and the fact that she's the least attractive female character in the series doesn't seem to help. People are naturally less likely to sympathize with a character that's considered ugly, and when compared to the other women in this series... yeah she's not exactly up there. Her whole crush on Euphy is just kind of a cherry on top the squick cake.
I'm not trying to say she's a good character, but I think fans tend to slam her more heavily than she deserves. There's characters in this show that I hated far more than her, and to be honest, it's kind of hard to remember her without watching the show, at least in my case. I'm more detesting of Lohmeyer for being a hateful old witch who tried to start a second massacre, Bradley for being a barbarian who wanted to rape Kallen, and don't get me started on the Chinese Eunuchs. Nothing was more satisfying than seeing Xingke blast those monsters into oblivion.
Well, she's not ugly, it's just that her style of dress doesn't suit her, when you see her in the second season with a new style of hair and clothes gives her a more refined air, she just lacked confidence, maybe her friends should have been more attentive but good mistake of any human, even so, after seeing how her xenophobia and her idolization of Euphy led her to create a bomb dedicated to the princess made me hate her, sometimes I wonder how she would have reacted if:
1- She realized that Zero was Lelouch, who is one of the few friends she has at school.
2- That Lelouch is a very dear brother to Euphemia to the point that because of hers, along with Susaku and Nunally, they are the reasons for her to create the SAZ.
3-That Lelouch killed her because she was going to suffer from her because of the slip of Lelouch's fucking Geass.
She would probably be worse off than Susaku, no matter how you want to put it to me, how fucking convenient that the Geass failed at that precise moment just when she said "kill all Japanese" as an example. In my point of view it was too forced. If they planned to make the protagonist kill his beloved sister, at least they would have done it in a more natural way as he had already been warned to put on the lens but it was defective. Someone does not come with it is not possible because we could see something similar with Shirley but the misfortune was better executed.
But I'm with you that I don't think she is the most disgusting of this series, I hate Lelouch's parents more, those damned ones were not only heinous rulers, they didn't even bother to take care of the family they said they loved, my heart broke see as in reality those who are Shneizel, Cornelia, Euphimia, Marybell and Clovis if they had love for Marianne with her children, especially that they had a special affection for the main character for being very special and all that soured because Charles and Marianne left Lelouch and Nunally at the worst time and place, as a consequence the brothers hated the Japanese to the extreme because they thought they were killing their poor little brothers while Lelouch turned sour and also created the idea that his brothers were bastards narcissists who crushed anyone to get the position of emperor/empress of Britannia.
Compared to what other characters did like the eunuchs or V.V, Nina was just the equivalent of a monkey with a gun
Most racism is based on fear. Most of the racists arent superior. They are in fact inferior amongst their society and even to those they want to believe is inferior because they are too inferior. Most racists in the US are uneducated rednecks working blue collar jobs or none.
I’ve seen this show 3 or 4 times and it wasn’t until reading some of these comments, getting curios, and googling Nina and the table that I understood. I... don’t have any words.
Hahaha I had a similar experience some years ago.
Wait, how did you not realize it before if you have watched the show 3 or 4 times?
I’ve only watched it once and I know what table kun had to go through.
just finished this show and glad to see the fandom is alive :)))
Short and informative, a welcome experience.
I think the reason most of us disliked her was because she wasn't a very important character of high or strong mental capability. Somehow affecting the grand game later down the line.
Admit it or not... Charles Zi Britannia's english dub speech on Clovis' death is soooo... Satisfying...
I never hated her, only pitied her for her low self esteem and self worth because of how Britannia was portrayed in Code Geass
I never hated Nina. She always was just little poor girl for me. She just never knew what's right and what's wrong.
Great analysis!
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Whoa... This was WAY deeper than I thought it was going to be.
For me, she feels like a highly unnecessary character and is the only time that I am annoyed watching the show. Why? Every character in Code Geass has a believable implied or explicit sense of morality and ideals, except Nina. Nina always came unintentionally racist, xenophobic, crazed and unsympathetic. Why is she like this? Well...she was "inappropriately and physical harassed" by Japanese men when she was younger has PTSD triggers despite having the financial means of getting the best therapy possible.
as a Black person (literally a person of color) I never really liked her- honestly her character made me realize uncomfortable. Not because of her *cough* obsession with Euphy (though that was somewhat disturbing on its own) but just her blatant xenophobia, that simply hit too close to home with me
I believe that’s one of the things I enjoyed of the show, not because I agree with their xenophobia, but because the discrimination of the Japanese and lack of care to even cause genocide on episode one to clean up an experiment gives the show an extra _sauce_ I don’t support racism in any way, but in a show about rebelling against a nation who is absolutely horrible makes it more interesting
The last sound track in this video is so fire
Honestly i never felt hatred for nina. I just found apathy and mild amusement. I also find it interesting that the arguement over equality vs inequality is usually a feelings vs feelings debate. Yes everyone is inequal, no no one deserves to be equal, does that mean you can or should treat people like crap? No.
I think you're looking way too deep into the homophobia thing. Milly is the most popular girl in the school and she acts super gay all the time and everyone basically just thinks "oh, that's our Milly".
Also, Nina is completely open about her homosexuality in season 2, and Kanon easily makes implications about him and Schneizel.
Great video!!! :D
Thank you for this video
you are very clever, you put that great death note song during the ad time, the song is so good that i didn't have the courage to skip it
JUSTICE FOR TABLE KUN
As someone who has watched Code Geass every year since I was idek how old, I've come to understand why Nina is the way she is but I can't accept it no matter what giving into such things is something that can lead to horrible actions...
Also this was such a great video came here with a sub >_>
I never hated Nina, just felt sorry for her.
I think all the hate she has gotten is homophobic .
@@Zakaria3400 nah I hate Nina because of her super overt racism (and I’m sure many other people do too). Honestly, her sexuality completely flew over my head until I watched this video.
@@jarrickhillery8664 I thought her crush on Euphy was pretty obvious in CG.
@@lowintellecttrash6737 in hindsight I can see it, but I see admiration similar to that in a lot of other anime and shows, and it’s often portrayed as completely platonic.
@@lowintellecttrash6737 I’m also dense, so if they don’t spell it out for me, I’ll miss it lmao
I'm just sick and tired of people giving her shit for the manner in which she chose to get herself off.
The real question is: Why dont hate Nina?
Smh none of us are talking about the table she forced herself upon?
#imwiththetable
#imwiththetable no table should have to go through that
that one scene with the table confused me when I was younger but years later I know now 💀
The fun fact is that Code Geass was my first anime (started with the best) and Nina is the cause of why I'm negatively bias toward female characters in glasses lol.
My mind 20 seconds ago: "Wait...that's it? I need more! We could spend more time on this! We could talk about why we hate Nina more!"
Rip table-kun
I swear i hear bip through the video as if there is a smoke detector that's out of battery
This woman is responsible for the nuclear bomb killing millions of innocents yet she has the gall to condem lelouch for the casualties hypocritical tp say the least.