Rotobrush Is even faster now?! After Effects Beta Update
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You've probably already checked out Rotobrush 3.0 in After Effects, BUT have you tested out the latest version available in the beta version of After Effects? The AE dev team is actively working on improvements and you can try them out RIGHT NOW! With the latest update, you should see improvements in the time it takes to freeze the propagated frames, as well as how long it takes to unfreeze, make changes, and refreezing.
In this video I quickly test out the beta version and compare it to the standard version of AE using the same clip.
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Chapters
0:00 Intro
0:51 Getting Started
1:18 Using the Rotobrush
2:49 Refine Edge Tool
3:22 Propogating Frames
5:04 AI Magic
8:30 Comparing Results
9:07 Final Thoughts
The issue @ 6:25 is the problem that I ALWAYS have with rotobrush. I fix a selection where it lost an edge, but have to keep doing it for every, single, frame. It becomes more time consuming than just animating a mask, and seems to happen for no apparent reason. (Like the shot content can be a consistent talking-head, and Rotobrush has no issue tracking one portion of the clip, while constantly losing edges in another portion that is not appreciably different).
This video just proved that they have not fixed my biggest pain point with Rotobrush.
I feel ya on this. I understand that It'll require some manual brushing at times to make the selection cleaner, but even after correcting that "bad area" so many times there's no improvement. You'd at least expect *some* improvement on the frames ahead or before it but nope it continues to make the same mistakes.
Yeah, I remember the good ole days of cringing at the thought of having to roto. But I've been working in Beta for a few months now because of the many updates they're pushing and the speed of the workflow that's possible. Thx for all you do Jake, amazing as always.
i remember how many gigs at the beginning of my career were mostly doing roto but also allowed me to make connections and learn studio workflows. wild!
Thanks for always delivering great content! ❤
Love to see it!
Especially when thinking back on the days of manually rotoing with vector masks.
THIS is what makes me excited about AI advancements. When you can nudge the tools in the right direction and it intuitively picks up the rest (like recognizing your different hand gestures, or the position of the ear as you rotate your head) it will save oodles of time.
Agreed, and this is a great improvement, but after effects is seriously lagging behind (I love the software and I have been using it daily since 2009), especially when compared to runway and stable diffusion.
Adobe should really invest into after effects for once.
I remain hopeful, as I noticed them going all in on premiere right when it was going to be left behind.
@@jippalippaall in on premiere? Am I missing something
@@jippalippaPremiere was going to left behind? 🤔
Hey Jake! Thanks for the info! One thing I have to mention though: The speed improvement is actually the calculation of the frames! Once you went through all of them, they are all cached anyways, so freezing is not doing much. For an accurate speed test you should only do the first frame and then just click freeze without doing anything else! Teen you can compare quality and speed! Was just working with it the other day! Super powerfull!!
Are you sure that's true? I always get the sense that freezing the propagated frames takes longer than just propagating them in the first place. Otherwise, wouldn't freezing be instant?
@@JakeInMotionis the course u mention also going to get a deep dive into how the 12 principles are applied to the graph editor?
Very helpful, thank you
The Roto experience has for sure improved. I have to do a lot of small removals in interview footage and B-roll, and I can confirm the workflow has sped up.
Love your background colours. What lights are you using?
you can use buttons 1 and 2 instead of pageup and pagedown when working with rotobrush. This is much more convenient because you don't have to move your hand from one position to another
Hey man, great info! Thanks. May I ask where you found out about this beta update?
It was from a discussion in the Adobe Community forum: community.adobe.com/t5/after-effects-beta-discussions/improved-freeze-performance-with-rotobrush/td-p/14352303
amazing! big difference , plz also any new update difference of any other
Yea! I tried yesterday to roto a man playing the bongo drums and gave up. I watched your video and decided to try the Beta version and voila' - success! Thanks for the inspiration. How long does it take until it's available in AE?
I rotobrush a lot in my videos because of my faceless channel and this is exciting. 6 minute clips take 3 cuts to work smoothly in 2 minute chunks. hoping this will allow more to be done with the whole thing.
The current improvement in the Beta is reusing the propagated frames in the freeze step and it’s that portion of the process that should be faster.
That's what I tested, isn't it? The time it takes to freeze the propagated frames?
@@JakeInMotion Sorry, I meant to reply to @flo.motion 's comment, which was indicating the freeze was not doing much when in fact that is what this is all about.
Hi jake, I have a question regarding after effects, and i need your
perspective about it. The Question is, How far we can go in 2D Animation in after effects? is there any limit? Or we should also learn
other 2D Animation softwares for creating our best works?
Jake, is your photoshop and illustrator unleashed course still worth purchasing because it's almost 6 years old and the tools have developed alot since then?
I'll make my decision on your honest advice. Thanks
How does it speed things up using an image sequence vs a compressed mp4?
I haven't tried an image sequence, but I did convert my clip to a prores mov today and it was identical in the time to freeze.
Have you seen anyone with mask pen tool frame by frame separateing subject?
The whole thing is actually yourself :D
How do you run te rotobrush backwards? Is there any play backwards or analyze backwards button? I hear something about propagate button
It will propagate in either direction based on the first frame you started on.
@@JakeInMotion thank you. I've tested the rotobrush in 2024 beta. Yes, it has improvements but Runway it's still very faster for some cases.
There are indeed a lot of things to keep track of when rotoscoping. I’m still not sure this method is the best for all roto scenarios, but I suppose it can only get better from here?
@@petersolomon5227 yes, is getting better than before but Runway is better
do you know why when i try to fix a frame it wont update the next frames to match the fix? i have to click through EVERY frame
I had the same issue 😕
What's your computer specifications?
Hey Jake, Why Do you prefer windows Over Mac? Any specific Reason? Really want to know Thanks in advance
I don't prefer Windows as an OS over Mac, but I value the upgradability of Windows machines and flexibility with the software and renderers I can use more.
@@JakeInMotion how many times do you think to upgrade your iphone ram or storage? Same goes for Mac. Apple silicon adobe apps performance is out of this world.
Broooo!!My CC Threshold effect is not working, it's saying couldn't find main entry point for it
Pls reply and gimme me solution, it's very irritating bro😢
You could've placed an effect on the background so we could SEE the outlines.
oh YUM😀🍕
Elbows and such have been always a pain
After Effects devs really need to up their game. Photoshop has really good object selecrion. Bring that into After Effects. This is not even close...
👍
I really hope adobe will equip after effects with more ai tools in version 2025, as the competition is becoming fierce.
Either that or fix the core functionality.
That said I don'y like the direction Adobe is taking with the software, like wasting time in making the sub-par 3D workflow slightly better, while in reality most people will just use other software.
I'm especially concerned with the competition rive is causing.
here's a comment for the algorithm gods
This guy gets it.
Is this Beta 24.3?
Yes
I personally still get way better results with Roto 2.0 instead of this new 3.0 . The 3.0 is really bad at tracking for me. Anyone else feel this?
when was this beta version released?
These new speed improvements came out about a week ago. But the beta version of AE has a new update each day.
Thanks Jake@@JakeInMotion
bro please just post it , dont make us wait
Greta:)
Magic mask is still way faster 🤣🤣
capcut is good no need rotobrush in ae
I'm glad that it's faster, but calling AI isn't really great, because obviously the software can't determine what is background and what is a person the way a person would.
Not exactly the way a person would, but the roto brush is trained on an AI model that can identify objects. community.adobe.com/t5/after-effects-beta-discussions/next-gen-rotobrush-now-available-in-the-after-effects-beta/td-p/13984477
A person would easily know where the hair is, for example.
I see your point, but I'm still up to bat for the roto brush 😀. Could you matte out that hair as easily as the refine edge brush does using mask paths? As quickly and with as much refinement control? I can confidently say that I couldn't.
@@JakeInMotion Oh it's a great tool and I'm glad it's there, just doesn't seem to have anything to do with AI.
Just switch to davinci you'll thank me later.
Just for roto?
Ah yes tell the motion graphics channel to switch to davinci
@@JakeInMotionEverything man. I edit, do CG, info graphics, do Audio mixing.
You'll have to make me some tutorials 😆
This tool just sucks. Other websites (even tho most of them paid to use) are just so ahead of Adobe when it comes to rotoscoping, it's ridiculous how bad it is and yes, this video just happened to showcase how "not worth the time" this tool is, hate to say it but I'd rather pay for other websites to do them automatically for me and it works a lot better and faster =/