Is Sony E-mount coming to an inevitable end? And this is what could be coming next from Sony!
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- čas přidán 12. 09. 2024
- German CZcamsr Michael Leidel ( • Ist Sony E-Mount am En... ) says that we are now close to a point where it becomes difficult to sell new E-mount lenses because we already have a ton of excellent lenses for all kinds of photographers. And even though the new generation lenses that are coming out now have actually improved in terms of image quality, af performance and size, we cannot expect this situation to remain that way for much longer.
And relying "only" on camera sales is not enough to keep a system profitable. To be clear, the author says that eventually this will happen to all systems. Canon, Nikon and so on. But Sony is already at that tipping point, thanks to the much longer history.
And in this video I explain what could happen to save the Sony camera system!
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This all came up 4-5 years ago when they said the E-mount was too small and there’s no way to Sony can have f1.2 lenses.
Ahh memories.. hope you’re well Brown.. we need to get Oastler back on his livestreams..
Havent this came up right after they released original A7?
Lets be honest, it is too small. It was designed for APS-C sensor (NEX) and lens mount covers very corners of a FF sensor so designing FF lenses for E-mount is probably harder than for RF, Z or L mounts.
The problem with your statement is that almost all the normal lens for their mount , that native and 3rd party. The lens mount may be small but they make it work.
@@johnsoncityaerialphotograp7201 David Oastler? He doesn't do live-streams anymore? I used to watch some
@@johnsoncityaerialphotograp7201 miss those days
One of the things I like about the e-mount is that lenses keep getting smaller and lighter.
Absolutely！
@@user-ov9ij1cu1g Do you guys know if lenses would be even smaller if made for curved full frame sensor? Or bigger?
this is exactly the point. Nikon cannot do this with this huge Z lens mount.
STOP THE CLICKBAIT
It brought you here, and most importantly it had you comment on the video. The arguments in the video are quite valid, looking two years into the future.
Stop the uppercase...
@@Truthinshredding1 STOP THE CLICKBAIT FIRST
I think Sigma proved last week that there’s still room for new, exciting and innovative lenses in the E mount system.
The argument is two years into the future. You need a massive amount of new product, and much that the masses would buy. We'll see, I guess!
@@chosenideahandleIMO the roadmap for E-mount lenses is bright for the next 5-10 years at least. For example, the E-mount system still doesn’t have a native tilt shift lens, and many of their lenses have not been updated including the 90mm macro and the mostly-forgotten Sony 100mm STF GM, just to name a couple. Sigma and Tamron have released exciting and innovative lenses in the past couple of years themselves and it seems like they’re going to continue on that path.
@@chosenideahandle now tell me, how long was Nikon F-mount around? It had its lens lineup completed many times over by Nikon and even more so by many 3rd party lens manufacturers. And they never got into described 'problems'.
The only reasons to change mount would be if they hit a technological impass that would require larger mount (E-mount was made for aps-c, not FF. But proved to be still good enought for FF, but if they would make medium format and want to have same mount for all camera lines then E-mount wouldnt be enought and new mount would be required) or there is significant technological advancement (for example mentioned curved sensor)
@@anupew3276 maybe they can make curved full frame sensor with variable curvature, using same e-mount, this way it can adjust to work with current lenses or curve-in to function with newer glass that's made specifically for curved sensors
@@mirrorlessny I think that would be extremely challenging to create, likely heavier due to need for motors to change sensor curvature, introduce additional point of failure and would possibly also be extremely expensive. That wouldnt make much sense, would be better to have separate mount for that.
Nonsense. Why would Sony change mount if there is no limits? With newest lenses we can see that Sony glass is sharpest, lightest and fastest in class. There is many new and fantastic G and GM lenses. No way that Sony will change it.
Agree！To change E mount is totally insane. E mount is good enough in size of both camera and lenses. There is no need to give up such a good mount ecosystem.
@@user-ov9ij1cu1g I think e-mount can be reused with new variable curved full frame sensor
yes. No way.
I hope Sony will release relatively affordable tele primes. Nikon have both 400, 600 and 800.
The only reason I have not bought the Sigma 500 f/5.6 is no teleconverter for Sony, just for L-mouth.
I would love to see something akin to the Canon collapsable telephoto primes...
I would buy the Sigma 500 (despite I have the Sony 600mm f/4!), but not without teleconverter functionality.
I really like the channel from AmazingNature Alpha, but I believe this video was clickbait.
I completely agree with your idea of curved sensors. They are a significant technological improvement as they as you hinted give the same image quality across the entire sensor which cameras/lenses with flat sensors don't. So sensors may be more expensive but high quality lenses would be more economic to produce. To convince photographers Sony should start with a fixed lens camera showing that technology (could be even a different sensor format, even with different proportions.)
I think it could be possible. A great thing could be the smallest possible mount for 44x33mm sensor, with the smallest flange distance possible. It could be only slightly bigger than the Nikon Z one, with even less flange distance. So you could adapt current Sony lenses and at the same time you could buy medium format lenses that properly cover all the sensor.
A 44x33mm sensor would allow near the same video features, speed, and you can make small cameras too. Just see the Nikon Z30 with that big mount. So in that "small" medium format mount you could put an APSC sensor if you like and the lenses doesn't need to be big. And the final point:
Sony could make the 44x33mm line of sensors with global shutter models. So in this way Sony could more or less overcome the ISO problem in the global shutter and you can get the fastest sensor possible.
This way implies way less money and less I+D than the curved sensor new mount.
I would love a brand making a "one mount" that covers from APSC to 33x44mm sensors. It could be Sony, or Nikon (with the Z mount), or Fuji with a revamped GFX new mount.
What an argument is this? The Canon EF mount existed from 1986 till now. Nikon F mount since 1959 and the had sold many lenses and cameras. After 10 years you can always improve lenses and sell the upgraded lens.
This guy needs to analayse history and draw the correct concluson, Nikon F has put always new innovation in their mount.
The issue with this argument is that most photographers or videographers buy the lenses they need for what they do. I shoot events and I have all the lenses I need. The maturity of the system doesn’t really matter to most people, as you’ve already built out your kit. It doesn’t take 20 years to build out a kit.
I can see a reasonable (enough to make business sense) amount of people switching to a new (curved?) sensor and mount system for the reasons outlined in the video. Noticeably better image quality (and, more consistently) with addition of more compact lenses. So, Sony would catch current customers as well as new customers.
I do think, though, that this needs to be coupled with some advancements in software.
Edit: I’d also say that system maturity is a metric people site when they are looking to get into a camera. There are obvious benefits, also, when there are just a lot of lenses floating around.
Professionals make up a miniscule part of the market, and don't factor into decisions like this. The people who keep everything going don't buy what they need, they buy everything (and they're not professionals).
Yeah I beleive majority of buyer are hobbist not professional who make living on it.
@@chosenideahandle I dont think any of that is true.
@@nightdonutstudio How many lenses do you think a hobbyist buys?
I admit, the E mount started as an s35 mount but has really solidified its spot in the full-frame world. Sure, the mount ring might be a bit small, possibly limiting the IBIS component, but this is Sony we're talking about. They make almost all the sensors on the market in all shapes and sizes and are catching up with the EOS EF mount system from the DSLR days. Lens sales are good because they've got competitive camera bodies, and their colour science has come a long way. They wouldn’t ditch this system in the mirrorless full-frame realm for something riskier, especially with the RF mount lens prices being ridiculous.
The real challenge for Sony's competitors is their huge backlog of legacy lenses. Canon RF users were fine with old EF lenses with adapters until recently, with the crazy super zoom 2.8 lineup. Sony doesn't face this issue practically, but switching systems would create this problem and heavily affect new lens sales, just like with Canon. Nikon has been missing for most of the mirrorless era and is only now starting to regain some ground at the consumer level (though I still love the D850 - it's solid as a brick). There's little threat to Sony in full-frame, and S35 is still picking up in professional videography. I'd say Sony is beyond comfortable now, and the E mount is likely here to stay until the next big tech shift in the camera industry.
It would be fantastic if Sony introduced a new lens mount specifically for medium or large format cameras, especially if it means they would start producing sensors larger than those currently made for Fujifilm. This could significantly enhance image quality and offer photographers even greater creative potential.
But the E-mount is only how linses attach to the camera? I do not understand but I am also new to all of this....
I think Sony can and should boost lens sales by releasing more distinct camera options. Particularly, they do not have a pro hybrid APS-C camera (dual card slots). The best options are the A6700 and FX30, where you're choosing between single card-slot & overheating vs. single-shot photography. If Sony put its AF in a dual-slot hybrid APS-C vintage-style body, I think it would steal sales from the Fuji XT5, and even MFT cameras, for people who want a professional, compact set-up. Sony also really needs to stop making every camera look the exact same.
I am really missing good tele lenses for aps-c
My thoughts are, all the major camera companies are going to struggle in 5 -10 years as they face the following challenges.
Smart phones and AI continue to erode the sales of lower end mass market and mid range cameras.
The slower evolution of cameras will mean, most user will keep their camera’s, for longer or buy second hand, also meaning development cycles of new models will extend to be more akin to the film camera life cycles 7 years or longer.
Cameras will be come an even more niche product, for professional ( most of whom, tend to retain their camera for a long time) enthusiast with deep pockets and the fashion market like Fuji X100vi.
Will Sony camera division, end up going the same way as their Vaio laptop and pc one? which was sold off 10 years ago as that market contracted and became less profitable.
Most of the successful changes lens mount, have included a change in flange distance and technology. Canon FD-EF 35mm manual focus to electronic AF and all the DSLR to Mirrorless. So the curved sensor or even liquid lens would be the most likely change.
Just a thought. The life span of Nikon F mount was 61 years from the F1 to D6 release. So the E-mount might make it to 2071
I think we will have E mount for many years to come. Minolta SR/MC/MD mount started in 1958 being replaced by Minolta A mount in 1985 to allow autofocus. Sony still had A mount until around 2020 although E mount came in around 2010. I don't think mounts change for the sake of it, they change when major advances in camera bodies require it. Mounts have been tweaked such as A mount going from 5 pin to 8 pin for minor improves but it takes big advancements to justify creating a whole new mount.
I second one of the previous comments about Sony's APS-C not catching up to Fuji in resolution. There's also room for new lenses there. I still use occasionally my old NEX-6 after trading in a6500 for a6700 recently. I've never been tempted to go full frame. Small is beautiful. So, now I'd jump on a 40 megapixel APS-C body accompanied by f/1.2 or faster lenses. Sony can make these lenses smaller than Viltrox is able to so far. A set like this would cure my APS-C inferiority complex 😇 And no need for a new mount.
I think the lens that makes APS-C feel game changing is the 18-50 mm f2.8 sigma...
As much as I love my A7S/tamron 28-75, its very hard to take it out when I've got an A6400 with that tiny lens on...
wow- imagine an a7cr or cii with a curved sensor- you could match the compact, lightweight body with more high quality really compact lightweight lenses. And then add better connectivity to cloud services and social media - that would help dedicated cameras survive the onslaught of smartphones. That would really be a big deal.
No and several people incl me disagreed. It made no sense. No mount ever has been discontinued due to "all lenses are available", why should it happen now. You never change mounts without a real good reason because you are about to lose all customers then.
This is just talking without any substance behind. Yes, in some days the USB-connection will vanish and be replaced by something new....in some days, there will be no more smartphones but something different....why to talk about it? Now customers of E-Mount are confused and start worrying about the future of their brand choice. This makes no sense. You can copy and paste this argument for all camera manufactureres and other products as well.
Indeed！The E mount system is still inovative and vital. There is no reason to start worrying the future of the E mount from now on 😂
There is room for E-mount growth with APS-C cameras. Sony has been derelict in filling out their APS-C lens lineup compared to, say, Fuji. That's why you see 3rd party lens makers stepping into the gaps (the Viltrox F1.2 primes or the Tamron superzooms, for example). My experience with my first Sony APS-C camera (A6700) has convinced me that this format still has lots of unmet potential. I'd like to see an APS-C body with more megapixels AND a global-shutter sensor. This would automatically open up the field for sports/wildlife-oriented, fast telephotos and zooms, which are sorely lacking in APS-C-land.. No need for a curved sensor yet. BTW as an MFT user, I'd agree that the MFT mount is mature. Some of the older lenses are certainly showing their age, being not ideal for modern video productions in particular. But MFT keeps getting life-prolonging injections, like the GH7. I'd love for Panasonic and OM System to go through their entire lens catalogs and revise/update/replace all those lenses whose operation isn't up to current focusing or optical quality standards.
Qustion: You don't think the a6700/a6400/a6600 isn't good enough for sports and action at 11fps?
@@HagaishiSama The A6700 is adequate but not ideal. Higher still-frame rates would be an improvement, as in the flagship MFT cameras. And I would love to have an APS-C global shutter. Dunno about the other models since I haven't used them. The A6700's autofocus and IBIS is reputed to be superior.
Is there any decent tele option exept the 70-350 i would really love more light to come im and maby 500mm but i dont want one of the heavy and expensive FF lenses
@@dasistjohn2260 I don't know of a fast (2.8) APS-C telephoto with that focal range. For my nightclub and performance shooting I'm using the fabulous Tamron 35-150 F2-2.8 on the A6700. But it is full frame and indeed large, heavy and expensive. An APS-C version would be maybe 15-25% less massive, but every gram counts. I would really appreciate an MFT version with equivalent APS-C reach.
@sbeckmesser I've been a professional sports photographer for about 4 years now and I've used the Sony a6400 and that Sony 86700 and 11 frames per second is perfect the autofocus on the bodies are on point yes I would love for it to have 30 frames per second but 11:00 is still good enough to to do professional work. But I will say...... I would love to have a global shutter in a aps-c body😍😍😍
The lens sales reasoning makes no sense to me. Option 1) provide updated lenses for the E-mount system (like they have with the 20-70 G, 24-70 GM 2, 70-200 GM 2, 85mm F1.2, … and sell to a market base of millions - a market base that keeps growing. There is plenty of room for new lenses like a 24-105 G II, a lightweight, high quality 24-200 to compete with Tamron 28-200, a lightweight telescoping or updated 200-600 to compete with Canon 100-500, long primes with built in TC, improved 1.4 and 2.0 TC, a very high quality tiny full frame lens lineup for A7CII, and A7CR to compete with Fuji X100IV. I would buy all of these! Option 2) make a new mount with a handful of lenses and sell to a market base of a few thousand cameras. I could see Sony making a medium format, but they will make it small, and the camera market base will be small, with no reason to change the mount. The medium format lenses would work on all Sony cameras. Sony could even implement a curved sensor camera with the current mount and save a bundle in manufacturing. If I am Sony Marketing, and want the most revenue, I am going with Option 1.
Hopefully Sony does not go all canon on us with restrictions
Maybe not finished the E Mount but the creation of new type the mount , maybe for Medium format lens and sensors.
Curved sensor Lens system for half the weight/size is great especially for wide angle prime 14mm with no curvature!
I think there’s plenty of room for growth. As you mentioned, an APC RX range with fixed manual [not remote motorised like the current] zoom. This could be slightly bigger than the current one with more manual controls and a better grip. Roughly the size of the Ricoh GR2 (the GR3 is a tad too small in my opinion) would be perfect. A new replacement for the RX1 Rii would be amazing. This could be a fixed lens with ad-on lens attachments to increase the focal length if needed. Or a range if interchangeable lenses dedicated and optimised to a new RX1 M3. Yeah, I know it will never happen! 😢
Hi Andrea, agreed .. a Sony C-mount for curved sensors would be next level ! Regarding fixed lenses I'm surprised there's still no RX10mV on the horizon. The RX10miV is about 7 years now, and still is pretty popular among light weight wildlife shooters ..
Yes I think so and I’m planing to switch to Leica L mount
Friend tell me to wait for Panasonic s5iii next year? or in another year?
Lol
what do you use now?
@@mirrorlessny I don't have a camera but I dream of one! Honestly, I appreciate the full frame stabilization and dual ISO on the Panasonic!
Would be nice to make a 40mp aps-c camera under 2k packed with stuff. It would sell like crazy
Agreed, they make great stacked 40mp + sensors for other companies.. and a great 8k 45mp sensor for MFT too
@johnsoncityaerialphotograp7201 Yep!! I still ask myself why haven't they don't it yet. The only thing thay comes to mind is they is saving the best for last.
As an economist, I would argue that a for a widespread mature system, lens sales are can be higher than for a new system. This would be the case if, for example, more people (since mount is widespread and mature) buying fewer lenses per person (since they already have many lenses) dominates fewer people (as in the case of a new mount) buying more lenses (since they don't own lenses yet). Arguably a better way to think this market it s that mature system brand needs to beat competing brands and own products that clients already own. One strategy is to invest in R&D and make existing products (and competing brands' products) obsolete relative to those newly launched. If this is not working, sales will drop but so will R&D spending, so business can remain healthy as long as clients need to replace products not fit for use or keep growing number of products owned.
Hopefully the mount changes when they implement curved sensors. That would be the only logical option in my opinion.
In my opinion, a larger mount would be a step backwards. And with a curved sensor, a smaller mount should be possible, right?
Your audio is very quiet. I have to turn my volume way up to hear you.
same..!
Any rumors about Lumix finally finishing the zoom holy trinity? We still only have 24-70mm f2.8 and 70-200mm f2.8.
Signa has cheaper and sharper versions
What i want to know is, when are they going to upgrade the 24mm 1.4 GM with the latest lens technology
What if Sony launches curved medium format sensor? That way they can make much smaller, lighter and faster medium format lenses than any of the competitors.
i don't known, canon managed to keep a single lens mount from 1987 to 2016 so I'm not sure that the 10 year old e-mount is that long in the tooth. Also, changing mounts is a huge risk. Sony enjoys a strong market position specifically bevause people already own e-mount lenses. If they change their mount people have less incentive to stay with sony and all camera brands become equally valid.
I can imagine sony releasing a medium format line with its own mount alongside e-mount... but killing it off would be ridiculous.
Dear Andrea,
I appreciate that you comment and even do a video in reply to Michael's AmazingNature Alpha YT entry.
It shows that there is a community!
What about a revival of the RX1 form factor, but with an “Ex” mount? Trickle-down sensor tech, heavily researched optical formulas to rival 4/3 and Leica, a tilt-swivel screen and improved (larger?) pop-up EVF?
I wonder whether there would ever be a market for a large format digital camera...
I'm not being pedantic, its just I know that some photographers still like the look of large format, and if Sony could produce the large format sensors.... they could do it as a bit of a leapfrog over everyone else, AND use it for the prestige (although I know it would be very hard to turn a profit on such a system...)
Didn’t Sony make it easy for 3rd party lens manufacturers to create E-mount lenses? This goes against the idea that they need lens sales to be profitable. The curved sensor is interesting, but to be optimized, would need to be paired with a specific focus length. I think Sony still has plenty of room to make smaller, more stylish e-mount cameras.
'curved sensor would need to be paired with specific focus length' - not sure if the light leaving the lens isnt already normalised, I think it should be, therefore curvature would be function of flange distance, not focal lenght of the lens.
But if its true and you have to use different curvature for different focal length for optimal result, you should be able to choose curvature that isnt extreme (lets say for 70mm) and it should still be a bit easier to correct for that than correcting for flat sensor.
'This goes against the idea that they need lens sales to be profitable.' the lens sale reasoning is IMO stupid and false. Nikon used F-mount for over 60 years and never had that kind of problem either.
My guess is Sony will continue to innovate; particularly with sensor design bringing improvements to image quality. And they still have a ways to go with their lenses. Something like the Canon and Nikon longer fixed focal length telephotos would be handy.
if Sony does not know which new lenses to make: 200mm f/1.8, 500mm f/5.6 ultracompact (120 fps and extender compatible), 800mm f5.6, 18mm f/1.4, update the 70-300G, update the 100-400GM for example.❤❤
35mm f1.2, 85mm f1.2, and 105mm f1.4 are also some great candidates
@@timothysteenwyk2978 the new 85GMII will be an f/1.4, the existing 35GM is already stellar - no need for an even more niche f/1.2. 105GM f/1.4 might be interesting.
Yea.. what Sony lens lineup need is a new 85 and new 100-400.. then some "slower" but cheaper and light long prime like what Nikon have.. not everyone can buy or wants to carry a 3KG 400F2.8 600F4..
Open shutter (a93), stab software (Gyroflow), and smartphone integration (sim cards) are next tech for next 40 years. Oh yeah and did literally everyone forget about multiple base ISO???? And 8k will be "easy mode" for stab crop
Dropping the mount would just open the door for everyone married to the sony ecosystem to reconsider their options. It would wipe out all reservations for changing to a competitors lens system. I don't see it happen untill the hardware limitations make it impossible to compete otherwise (like with the dslr to mirrorless shift).
I kind of have to disagree with this logic. Cameras are not game consoles, lenses are not game cartridges. Most people expect their camera lasts. Yeah, there’s the folks that move from system to system and follow the gadgetry. But for the most part folks stick to one… I will not leave Sony for Fuji, no matter how pretty their cameras are, nor am I going to switch to a Sony Medium format camera
Sony should release a full lineup of mirrorless E mount tit&shift lenses
How about a new mount with curved medium format sensor. Better quality and smaller lenses. Crazy expensive I believe but they have to figure it out 😅
Didn't Canon change to EF mount sometime in 80's and Nikon never did? How did Canon and Nikon survive all these years? If it weren't for Sony Mirrorless, Canon and Nikon would have still be making DSLR today and stay profitable.
Why would a curved sensor require a new type of lens mount?
Because old lenses would not be compatible with new sensor, and new lenses would not be compatible with old sensor. So to avoid any confusion and miss matching between the two systems it makes absolutely sens to change the mount, and taking the opportunity to upgrade the mount to latest technology
@@lucasvivante8988 thank you. That makes sense.
@@lucasvivante8988 I wonder if variable curvature curved sensor design could utilize existing e-mount
@@mirrorlessny yeh it could, the mount is not the problem, it's the cross compatibilitiy over sensor and lenses. Lenses made for flat sensor have to compensate optically for the edge of the frame (that's why lenses are always less sharp on edge of frame). If you put them on curved sensor, they will be absolutely trash on the edges. Maybe vintage lenses could work, as a lot of them weren't properly corrected (helios lenses are super soft off-center for example)
Another problem with the “German CZcamsr”, it’s common knowledge that lenses usually last longer than camera. With that logic every lens manufacturer is going into the realm knowing most buyers will probably not buy more than 1 of a specific focal length only once in 5-10 years.
For me there are two direction for Sony to exploit. One is the APS-C format which is compact and really needs a bump. Second, but even more important is the look and feel, in other words the customer experience. The full frame bodies still don't have the real quality look like a Nikon, Leica, Olympus or Fuji. [For instance the A7CR is too plastic fantastic for me]. And I would prefer an identical performance in a more robust and metal external body. Take a look at Nikon Z8 for instance, with a small digital display on top of the body with the major settings. So more in the size of the A99 which provides a better grip. On the other hand, what I fear is that Sony is neglecting the true pure photographers and is going the middle road with inclusion of video tools in full frame bodies.
With the range of bodies available to take e-mount it would be financial suicide to abandon it. Sounds like clickbait to me. Lenses are constantly being improved, look at 10 years ago when a wide angle lens would weigh a tonne, and now you can get am f/2.8 as light as a feather. Even 5 years from now there will be improvements to make better e-mount lenses on focal lengths that already exist.
Are nikon and canon lens sell well?? I dont think so..
Hopefully we get the A1 ii on E mount before they change it 😊😊
How about tilt shift lens for professionals
I think in the mirrorless world, all manufacturers with the posible exception of panasonic or fuji, have concentrated on Big chunky hardware, canon lenses are enormous! And ignored the more 'portable' rangefinder style cameras, the S9 is an interesting concept, the popularity of the Fuji x100 series shoukd be a call to the big makers that this is what people want, and it is achievable! Good functional cameras, with compact lenses are a valid and sizable niche, but sony and canon among others continue with big chunky DSLR style bodies, sony must be on to the A7SR-13C by now, but only the 2nd A7c? Apparently the Olympus pen series cameras sell faster tyan they can make them in the far east, why are the big names not exploring that market? I believe theres a good few mikes left for them to cover yet.
I don't see a way that Sony could update the mount, without killing much of their appeal...
If I were sony, I'd be trying to launch a preliminary curved sensor camera to succeed the RX1R because then you already have a dedicated fanbase, but don't have to perfect a new mount before launching... and if they were not being stupid they'd make it a competitor to the X100VI in terms of look/feel/usability...
curved sensors will be amazing, for sure.
Meanwhile there are not even stacked bsi sensors that use the technology for higher resolutions, but only faster read outs. as far as I know at least. so I guess the "conventional", flat sensors still have much potential left to be sliced into the market year after year for several iterations. besides.. the step from curved to curved, stacked, bsi might be a bit to much at once, so curved will just make us wait 10 years until it is matured, just to be replaced by the next big thing then, so no reason to live in constant fear of mounts being dropped. Everything dies once in a while, however the popularity and 3rd party support of the e-mount is what sells Sony as a system. dropping it, must be enormously great reasoned by sony.
I don’t see why going to a curved sensor would require a new mount. As far as the manufacturing complexity and cost of a curved sensor, maybe a fiber optic conversion of a concave to flat light transmission could solve that problem.
If Sony releases a 24-70 GMIII lens with no fringing, distortion, and does not let dust inside it would be the dream. Mine was used but was in perfect condition, use sit for few days an got one dust spec inside. But doesn't effect photo quality. But that might be impossible athtis focal length. As I've used the GMII I have lots of shots I have to fix in photoshop, fix spesific areas use inverter masks and Camera Raw to fix spesific areas, paint in the corrected areas. Guard rails and hand rails for example can get yellow fringing in even spacing like it's more code.
Seenlot sof magenta and blue on cars, trees. But it depends on the light and scene I guess. And aperture. But with 2.8 it's lots of it. Less so with 4.0 but still some but I not done much testing. But I can easily fix it in photoshop. But the weight makes it balanced with the a7iv. So definitely don't want a much lighter lens. I did not see any reviews shooting gin scenios I did, at sundown a bike path or signs reflecting sundown sun, or sundown from the side at rail crossing, or building sieth lots of shade but sundown and bright at the same time. Or so much car photos. I see glare isn't horrible, but get some if direct sunlight, or from the side, but should try to use the lens good more. But still a good allrounder lens ingot mine for a good price too. But keen to know what future might bring.
yeah, color fringing (and GMII is one of the best of 28-70 lenses I have seen results of) and extending tube sucking in dust are reasons I never bought 24-70 and generally never liked this kind of lens (I only have some 18-50 for DSLR APS-C and they have the same problems with CA and dust). And if nothing interesting is announced from Sony soon to wait for (like 24-70 f/2 GM) I will just go for that new Sigma 28-45. Its big, heavy, a bit less versatile, but image quality is superb and have internal zoom mechanism. 24-70mm zooms still have a lot of room for improvements, probably for several generations.
EF mount is still alive ,. best mount ever !!
There is no reason to change the mount unless there is some dimensional limitation e.g. increase sensor size. Howver your point about curved sensor would provide opportunity for more compact lenses with the increased image quality that lenses are correcting for using all the lenses and groups etc. Now that would be a natural draw for new lenses
There still is a huge market for highest quality Sony lenses (G and, of course, GM). Every owner of a third party lens for his/hers Sony camera body would love to replace it with THE original sooner or later.
Moreover the difference between recent Sony mark i and mark ii lenses is quite remarkable.
It remains the most mobile full frame system, by far. The compactness has not been beaten by any competitor.
They gave us digital photography but the cameras and lenses do not differ very much in size compared with their predecessors.
I do not see the point of investing in Z8 or Z9 or even in a S1 - the Panasonic brick. And the R mount is huge, too. The optics are sheer in size.
The premium Nikon lenses are much to big AND heavy.
While Sony's camera bodys grow thicker and each Iteration gains a bit in weight, they are still the most compact (leave out the Sigma fp). AND Sony lenses get lighter, smaller while excel in optical performance even setting out for new benchmarks the market has not seen before.
'Every owner of a third party lens for his/hers Sony camera body would love to replace it with THE original sooner or later.' Have you seen performance of Sigma lenses? Some of them are even better than GM, many are on par with GM and the only reason to replace them with GM would be if you have A1 or A9 and need more than those 15fps continous shooting Sony limits 3rd party lenses to. Also some are just irreplacable (Laowa macro lenses for example have no counterparts from Sony).
That said, I agree with the rest of what you said and I personally hope that the trend of thicker and larger bodies from Sony would continue. A7VI was really good, but a bit larger body would be even better for comfortable grip. Some people say A9 is the best one yet, but I havent got chance to hold that one yet. IMO what Sony excels in is buttons and wheels placemet. Nikon or Canon are more comfortable to hold, but (especially for canon) camera control elements just arent well placed and easy to reach.
why a new mount for a ff curved sensor? sony e mount is already very small in comparison. doesn't make any sense.
Sony joining the m4/3 mount would sure spark that system and generate new lens and camera sales. The sensor technology they have would bring m4/3 to the leading edge. But I suppose Panasonic might have something to say about it.
What about a square sensor ? Would not be that hard to manufacture instead of a 3:2 one.
Curved would be ideal but I doubt it for the next 5 years
Sony just needs to get into m43 and computational photography.
Yeah I have to agree with most on here.. “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.. “. No way they change the E-mount.. Even if they released a medium format camera they would most likely use a speed booster type lens adapter to use all the E Mount lenses initially
This is stupid seriously lol
In two years (when they've made every conceivable new lens), do you know what they can sell besides new cameras? I don't think it will be two years, but there aren't many other moves they can make outside developing some completely new lens tech (outside a mount) to warrant new versions of everything.
@@chosenideahandle Nah, they will simply feature innovate on the body side, and continue to refine optical formulas and packaging on the lens side.
Nah, lenses improve with camera abilities. The current crop of GM glass will look dated on the 200 MP sensors of the future. Plus there are still holes in the line up.
Hallo why no video what happen to you
There are people who open their mouths and give them breath and you go after them
Lets face it, Sony will make a new lens mount only from a marketing approach, which is really what your saying in a round about way. Canon and Nikon will do the same thing. The quality and range of lenses available work just fine. A curved sensor ...... All Marketing for greater sales, have to keep that steam engine moving forward 👍😂
I always think why nobody try to build a camera on Android system? I know samsung did that around 2013-2014 and I had one. At that time the system is very slow and not many apps. It is not a joy to take pic with that camera. but fastward now the power and speed is there and we have tons app can do photo and video editing. No issue to editing raw photo. And tons of social media apps. If Sony can release android based mirroless camera with 5 inch touch screen. It can be new mount or just E mount. I personally think it will be very appealing to a lot of hobbist and smartphone users.
Maybe a point and shoot one. And sony could sell apps for it. They could definitely make money off that. They just have to find a way that people can't hack it
That German youtuber suffers from a lack of imagination. Two major things that Sony could do a lot better at is IBIS and internal ND. Internal ND may cause them to abandon the E mount, but they did manage to pull it off in the Burano's E mount.
Still waiting for an update to the 90mm Macro. Still waiting for a tilt shift lens etc. There is plenty more to explore on the E mount .
I'm happy with what we have now. The only thing that would interest me is smaller lighter faster lenses, lighter camera bodies, and brighter evf and screen on the A7CR. I wouldn't say no to 100 megapixels. But, that's about as much as I can imagine I'll ever need.
I’d be perfectly content with the a7iv even, if only it reads out faster and had a few more fps
It's complicate!... Sony have been always the biggest and more smartest camera company in the world! More than Canon, Panasonic, Fuji and Nikon.
So, what about Blackmagic? Because they don't make lens and don't have a large market camera either (just entry level, and now high cinema camera), but they're still in the business and archiving success. So, why Sony would not be able?
I think they will only change mount after there is some new ground breaking tech so that they'll actually need something new. Just like going from DSLR's to mirrorless. I don't see this happening anytime soon. Sony can make any kind of lens that's fast and sharp for full frame, switching mounts would just give people more incentive to change brands since then they'll have the option to go for the new Sony mount or go to Canon/Nikon. They'll lose customers.
Sony needs to give us a big ass meaty medium format system that annihilates everything. Seems like only they could pull it off
There is no substatial reason to give up the E mount system.
Has Nikon high jack your account?
The moment Sony will launch curved sensor cameras is the moment I will be able to buy tons of great E-mount second hand lenses for peanuts :)
This is complete nonsense and the title is pure clickbate. There are still many gaps in the e-mount line up and even where there are not gaps, Sony are successfully replacing earlier lenses with smaller, lighter and sharper replacements in the GMii and Gii releases. In my own area wildlife photography there are several opening for new lenses from 200 F2 to 600 F5.6 - and making lighter mark 2 versions of the F2.8 400 and F4 600. This rumour to end e-mount sounds like an attempt by competition to crash Sony sales - pure FUD!
It's hard to think how sony will make me upgrade my 35gm 24-70gm MKii and 70-200gm MKII . Making f2 zooms that are not that heavier could be one way but other than that who knows.
It would probably be 7-10 years before i would even consider moving off of my espc e-Mount lenses. I already own 6 or 7 lenses, and will most likely buy 2 or 3 more in the next year. I will most likely buy a Leica (M) or Sony Full-Frame before moving to a new Sony Mount.
85mm f1.2!!
If sony start making cameras with curved FF CMOS, then maybe there would be a reason to change mounts
Thi guy makes a falacy when he concludes that if their is no innovation in the mount that the mount is dead. What happens with childrens who born in 2010 and wants to buy a new camera and lenses in year 2034, when they are 20 years old. The can easily buy as they are new users.
Those customers who bought EF-lenses in 1990 are other customers who brought EF-lenses in 2005.
A lens mount becomes obsolete whebn there is a new technology innovation that they can not fit it in the current mount on a provtable financia basis. When AF was created then Olympus, Minolta, Canon introduced new mounts. Nikon simply fitted AF-lenses into the F-mount.
When you are changing mount's, you give the users the opportunity to switch brands. And now Nikon, Canon and even Panasonic are maturing in their mirrorless mounts. You now give the users a new opportunity to review their brand choice. Sony would might be making a mistake by introducing a new mount. Sony has been by many people the number one reccomendation because of the huge availability of (third party) lenses on the new and secondhand market. Not because Sony has the best camera's but it has the best affordable ecosystem. From ultra budget to Pro, there are lenses for everyone, unlike Canon. I would not be switching camera's until my A7IV dies. And if Sony introduces a new mount, I probably still will be getting a Sony E-mount camera for a lower price. And when I am ready to fully switch to a new mount, I will consider all the other brands as well.
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Sony is done with the lenses?? they made all of them? So they give up the mount after they made a good variety of tilt-shift lenses on E mount, a good variety of macro lenses instead of the old 90mm? Ooooh wait!!! They are about to launch 24-70 f/2, they covered the range of focal lengths that sigma did? zooms at f/1,8? Laowa made a 10mm 2,8. where is the sony 10mm 2,8? Or ultrawides with lower F? Did sony tried out to create lenses with more caracter or did they make the same lenses again and again just sharper and sharper. Is this the point? the sharpness? They made 24-70 and then the m2, 70-200 and then m2 again, 16-35 and then m2 again, 85 guess again... where the fuck is the 85mm f/1,2? 105mm f/1.4 Is sony done with the cinema lenses too? I was about to change to canon because sony refuses to be inovative on lenses For real stop clickbaiting with those bullshit and creating drama
I think to release every mount new Sony cameras and e-mount lenses was a bit mistake. Costumes a very fast Saturated if you had every a Mc Donals meal 😅 This Leica system is like a good wine 🍷
It would be a dumb move
I don't see any valid reason for Sony would end E/FE mount, they can still sell lense for it. Like makinh additional or new versions of lenses. I don't see a technical reason why new lenmounts are needed E mount already has connectors that do all needed.
So unless they come up with something that requires new connectors.
But having us buy new lenses for a new camera for note reason other than to have different lens mount to sell new lenses is a bad move. Forcing users tha already got hands on good lenses this makes no sense. IMO but I won't be surprised if this happens.
I think it's entirely possible that a company like Canon or Sony could get out of the camera market and simply stop producing cameras and lenses. To anyone who says: I can't imagine a company like Canon or Fuji (or any other well-known photo company) leaving this segment, I say: Minolta and Olympus have done exactly that.
Well, Minolta was bought by Sony. Olympus is now OM Digital Solutions. I think Sony would come up with a new mount long before leaving cameras, but I think you're right.
If they don't sell enough anymore, adding different mount to sell more will work the opposite way, especially now as the current lens mount has all we need. So unless ne mount bring new possibilities there sno reason for it. People might boycott them. With Sony already doing many things right. Why would they switch to make the fans get mad? But I knwp their mobile phones got weird for some years making overheating phones that were bad to hold. Made for giant hands. And worked optimally in subzero temps but not in summer in 30c. 🤦 Xz premium was junk. But atleast now the shape and phone size is more reasonable. USB ports were bad back then on xz premium. So was weary of the USB c port on the a7iv. So far it's good but will see after long term use.
I wish they'd work on SMALLER. Lighter, smaller, but fabulous.