Falconry: a different approach to imprint goshawks
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- čas přidán 6. 09. 2024
- This falconry video describes a different approach to training imprint goshawks than I normally use. Goshawks are one of the most capable and high spirited birds used in falconry. As such, northern goshawks have been the choice of many falconers for thousands of years. But as great as goshawks are, the often can have undesirable behaviors such as extreme aggression and endless vocalization. This video describes a different approach to training goshawks, as well as other accipiters such as coopers hawks, sparrowhawks, and sharp shinned hawks.
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What I like about Goshawks, is the fact that it really doesn't matter what age you take it, they all seem to be great game hawks. That's why I love them so much.😎👍
Steve Layman pioneered this thinking with imprint goshawks over 20 years ago, and many have had success with it. His core idea was to mimic what is a typical part of the natural history of young accipiters - a prolonged post-fledging "play" period where the parents provide the kids with food as they learn to fly and hunt. His logic was that if a young hawk plays with quarry, there are more lessons and they develop quicker overall than if they catch.
His method was to take them out hunting daily shortly after they hard pen, but to no get serious about weight control for several weeks after that. There is absolutely no benefit to extending this beyond ~4-6 weeks.
One important thing to clarify on your comments though Ben - it is VITAL to still have good field control. If your hawk gets into a dangerous situation, you need to be able to call them back.
Sounds interesting but I was never that patient. After working with imprints initially my first passage male Gos was an eye opener. WOW...this was real falconry!!! Once you develop a good taming/training routine most passage accipiter's are ready to hunt in about a month. Then it's stand back and watch the show. Amazing hunters and not a peep out if them. I never could go back to imprints after that. To each his/her own I suppose.
I agree with that statement, I had a 44 Oz Passage North American Goshawk, they're definitely the best. The problem is, they're hard to find.🤔
I tried both techniques on two Siberian imprints . While not a large sample size - I can say that that time I kept weight high the first season - I was rewarded in the second season and then after. Hard to have the discipline to keep weight high after a long summer of imprinting when you only have one bird and itching to get out there and be successful day one. Picking up my next Siberian imprint on Friday… looking back through old notes - will definitely keep her weight higher for the first season and focus on the long term strategy. Appreciate the video as always informative in your cave of furs and skulls!
I'm a Canadian falconer currently flying a third-year imprint. I really like the idea of flying a high-weight goshawk, and that's what I do now. I don't man my goshawk anymore this time of the year, or cut back my goshawk sharp as I would do with a passage red tail. just make sure the bird is empty before I fly and he always does good. but it might not apply to other raptor species as I found goshawks never lack the drive, a high-weight but fit goshawk will hunt all the time. my goshawk still vocals in the morning seeing my face, but is quiet during the day and hunt.
Temperature can be a bigger factor than I’m used to as well. We get cold winter temperatures in Utah, but nothing like other places. I knew some red-tail flying falconers in north eastern Canada who explained something similar. They said they basically flew their red-tails hog-fat once true winter set in, because it was so cold, that the cold alone was motivation enough. And the birds knew what a profitable venture working with a falconer was under such conditions.
Greetings from Romania, first of all congratulations for the podcast and the CZcams channel. Some time ago, I listened to the podcast related to the different approach to the imprinting of goshawks (your friend's technique). I want to say that my approach is also the same and I imprinted like this about 10 Central European goshawks and they all came out similar. I would like to get in touch with your friend to exchange ideas. If that it is possible. Thank you!
Salut!
Kinda off topic but I recently caught a adult male red tail while fox trapping,took it home and within 2wks he's eating out of my bare hand,without ever biting my hand never seen a truly wild animal act so gentle
❤❤❤you are so productive these days
Very interesting Ben. I’ve been working with imprint Siberian birds almost exclusively for the past decade and have found them to be more aggressive than the NA birds I started with, never had an “aggressive” NA. This technique sounds like something I may try with my next imprint Siberian or Siberian x NA cross. Thank you for the idea.
Lew, I am really familiar with these theories and talk you through the details if you like.
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Hey Ben! Very informative video as always! I absolutely love Goshawks and the absolute intelligence and capabilities they bring to the world of falconry.
Just a thought, but I would love to see a video talking about falconry and cats. I’m very new to the world of falconry and would really love to become an apprentice in the near future, but we have an outdoor cat that hangs around our property. Is there a way to have a bird of prey setup in a safe mew from the cat? Why exactly are cats so dangerous for falcons? How can falconers mitigate this risk? Or is falconry something that shouldn’t even be attempted unless there are no longer outdoor cats in the area? I know how detrimental cats are to the environment, but I’m hesitant to have a bird of prey because it seems as if outdoor cats will always be around.
Just something I am trying to figure out- your videos have really helped teach me so much about this amazing sport.
Ever since I’ve had the opportunity to watch a Harris’s Hawk, Red-Shouldered Hawk, and Red-Tailed Hawk fly I’ve been watching your videos on repeat to learn as much as I can. Thank you!
Having an enclosed new and weathering area can overcome the cat issue. I have the same problem in my neighborhood. Having a good weathering area fully covered either with chain link or good netting will do the trick.
Cats are dangerous for a couple of reasons. They are one of the few predators that attacks with all four paws in addition to their mouth. Most predators use their claws for digging or running. But ever cat claw is razor sharp and hooked to inflict maximum damage. So if a cat does walk up to a bird or tries to bother it, and the bird foots it, the cat immediately latches in. Four legs equals 20 lacerating claws as well as the canine teeth. Even if the bird doesn’t die, those kind of injuries are REALLY bad. Additionally cat scratches and bites are known to be laced with infection inducing bacteria. So best to be avoided if at all possible.
Hello! I am an apprentice and for my mews I had a large shed with an 8x8 enclosed weathering mews attached to the main doors. I recommend this setup for anyone who can do it as it keeps the bird safe from anything that could really harm it like owls and cats. It also creates a double door system because if the bird escapes the main shed then it still has to get out of the weathering mews. That’s just from my experience though but I highly recommend it.
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Hey Ben, I have been a fan of your videos for awhile and love learning new little interesting bits of advice that you give, I’m a falconer over in Nevada, I was just curious if you know why Utah is so strict on people coming to hunt there compared to other states?
Do you think this would work with Cooper's Hawks or are they to different to goshawks?
Super interesting concept. Ben, do you think this technique would work well with an imprint ferruginous?
That’s a very good question. I do think the idea is worth trying with a ferrugie. But I think if I were to try it, I would shorten the overall time, and would have a little bit more weight reduction than with a gos with this technique.
With rabbit populations on the low end of the cycle here in the western US. This technique might make a gos or ferrugi more feasible, while game numbers bounce back.
i only ever flowen recalled or feed a gos to swing lure he had is issues but was nothing that i found a problam raily but did take 3yr go get him to actuly trust me full he was5 wen i got him but he turned out an amazing hunter 0 agreshion