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- Colin Cowherd talks Kyrie Irving, the Boston Celtics and what we can expect from the Eastern Conference moving forward.
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Celtics will dominate the East for most of a decade if Irving signs a long-term deal | THE HERD
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Will the The Celtics dominate the East with Kyrie?
The Herd with Colin Cowherd yea if Bron leaves the cavs
not true at all a little to far fetched to say that Celtics ain't a superteam they ain't clear to be anything you got other teams like 76ers and bucks you can argue have better future roster
The Herd with Colin Cowherd no. Don't trust kyrie
The Herd with Colin Cowherd after Lebron leaves east or retires
people don't realize Isaiah is a better basketball player Kyrie is more talented. Kyrie doesn't make teammates better.
It's funny how all these Bronsexuals are saying Kyrie is overrated when they're the same people who said Kyrie was better than Stephen Curry just last year.
Kyrie was never better at Steph Curry at anything.
brandonrussell79 of course steph is better but all cavs fans were saying kyrie is better
Brian Cheng fax
Lebron fan here and never considered that he was better than Steph. I always said he was a better dribbler than Steph. But before the trade I have maintained that he has about the 8th best point guard in the NBA. Not the 8th best player.. The 8th best point guard. Steph, Harden, Westbrook, Wall, CP3, IT, Lillard, and Kemba. All those guards made it to the playoffs at one point with not much help. What does kyrie do in the 30+ games when Lebron sits out?? What does kyrie do when Lebron is on the bench and he is playing against the 2nd team?? What has he did he do before Lebron came?? Oh and he gets hurt more than IT.
lmao ur hurt. UR a hurt Cleveland fan, or lebron fan whatever. Kyrie played 3 years with ALONZO GEE as his second best player. what were Westbrook, Wall, Kemba etc. doing in THEIR FIRST 3 YEARS.
U sound like such a salty lebron fan right now. Kyrie is at least top 5, thats indisputable facts. So ur basing 30 games over 3 seasons where he has to run an offense that suddenly doesnt have the one player it was built around that he has lost in...
ANd hes going from Ty Lue to Brad Stevens, thats a HUGE coaching upgrade, Stevens maximizes every player. U salty Lebron fan sound delusional
Colin don't compare Kawhi to Kyrie, one is a superstar and one is getting the opportunity to prove himself with no LeBron.
Dirtball Daquan didnt kyrie drop 57 on a kwhi team 🤔 kawhi cant guard kyrie like at all so therefore his defense is useless and we all know who the better scorer is in EVERY WAY
jeremiah greenwood Kawhi guards the best player on the floor.
Are you stupid? When the Spurs pay the Cavs he guards LeBron not Kyrie. The better scorer in every way? Leonard is a better 3p, mid range, post up and face up scorer. Kyrie is better at finishing at the rim and that's about it........... Leonard has put clamps on better offensive players than Kyrie before.
Kawhi doesn't even guard Kyrie. He's almost always on LeBron...
He was already without Lebron for 4 years.
Say LeBron leaves east in 2018, you still have John Wall's Wizard and Toronto could be a strong opponent for Celtics. Don't forget Giannis! If Bucks get him a John Wall's caliber 2nd fiddle, Bucks will dominate east for incoming years!
Linc King all the bucks need is jabari to stay healthy, because when he has been healthy he is clearly a championship level 2nd guy.
Linc King with Jabari in the lineup Ithe bucks would have beaten the raptors.
Linc King
That hopeful thinking two man team wouldn't stand to the Celtics and the Wiz are gonna get dropped in 5, not to mention the raptors can't perform in the playoffs, heck, Paul Pierce exposed them two years in a row while being way past his prime
Linc King nobody wants to go to the Bucks and wizards are never getting passed the ECF
Kahwi is probably THE MOST complete player in the league. He can play ISO-ball or within a team offense. His on ball denfense is superb as well as his team/help defense. He may be the only player who has a technically "complete" game so I'm not sure what Colin is talking about.
Kahlim Denmark no cuz Lebron is easily the most overall player and kd also has no weakness in his game like Kawhi . Yes Kawhi is complete player but saying he's the only one is ignorant cuz besides defense he doesn't do anything better than Lebron or kd . Stats and eye test prove this
Kahlim Denmark LeBron is better than Kahwi. The most complete player is LeBron he's better or as good at everything except on ball defense, plus Kahwi is no where near the passer LeBron is.
I never said Kawhi was the only complete player. I said he was the MOST complete. He does everything at a high level but the same can't be said about Lebron. Lebron's team defense is atrocious and on his on ball defense is no where near the level of Kahwi's. So when you takeinto account both sides of the ball, you'll see that Kahwi does everything at a high level whereas Lebron really only plays offense at high level. That makes Kawhi the most complete player!! Also KD has proved that he can play defense at an extremely high level as well as offense which is why a lot of people are now saying that KD is the best player in the league Which there is a strong argument for.
Most complete has to be KD. KD is arguably still the best scorer in the game, has elite defense(he's been the last line of defense for the Warriors and also has 1.1 SPG), good rebounder(8.3 RPG last season), and way more capable at creating for others
So complete he needs to play with 3 other all stars....What a joke.
Giannis and Jabari? Embiid, Simmons and Fultz?
Jabari? Embiid？ Hope they can play a whole 17-18 season
The Bucks are coming..Giannis is on his way to being the best player in the league
jaws102585 still have KD in the league. But he could be the best tho within the next several years
jaws102585 only Giannis is coming, bucks ain't going no where till they get another all star and more fire power. Phili ain't going nowhere till Embid gets in peak shape.
Oooh so defense isn't as important anymore and scoring is? Hmmm maybe Colin will become a Melo fan now right?? Yea didn't think so...Contradictory as usual from Colin
CrAy J all his opinions and hot takes are always contradictory to what he has said in previous clips hes a joke
CrAy J not for PGs it's not.
PhillyG So in today's league you're saying PGs can get 40 pts dropped on them but every other position has to play defense? PG is the most important position in the league and you're telling me they don't have to play D on each other? But God forbid KD drops 40 on Melo
what pg plays good defense?
Michael Tate Mike Conley, George Hill, CP3, dennis shroder, rondo, Beverly, lowry, Wall and I'm pretty sure I forgot some names.
"Steph Scurry"😂 i like that one!
Can't even explain how much I'm disappointed in Colin for his take on this Cavs Boston trade.. What is he on these past days? I can't believe I'm actually agreeing with Stephen A. Smith over Colin. I'm gonna go and get high
Team defence is tougher than ever before because of zone defence hand check was overrated helped in one on one defence but the scoring actually declined when the zone was introduced it recently went up because the speed has picked up
Good on you Colin for seeing Kyrie as clearly as he should be seen. Steven A and Max need to remove their ego goggles. You are the man!
You really think the Celtics will dominate the east for a decade????? Huh? Heard about this Greek dude in Milwaukee and Simmons, Fultz and Joel Embiid???
Kristian Kallevik Jayson Tatum ? Jaylen Brown ? Kyrie only 25 ?
Kristian Kallevik this man just said the 76ers are gonna dominate wow you are stupid
The 76ers need to stay healthy and make it to the playoffs first, before putting them into the equation
dankdiv The 76ers team is good, they just need to stay healthy
Kingslayer fax
Bill Russell let Wilt score on him the first three quarters at will to tire him out so he could limit him in the fourth. This is a well known fact.
I wanna see how good kyrie Irving is this year without LeBron James by his side
The negatives you said about Kawhi and Harden, is the same as the ones Irving has, so where Kawhi both have scoring and defence, Kyrie only has scoring, where Harden both has scoring and assists, Kyrie only has scoring, that's why he's not a superstar like those two. He's not gonna win anything, if he's the best player on the team, but with that said, he's probably not the best player in Boston, cause Hayward is a better defender and a better team player, while still being a good score!
Thank You Colin Cowherd for speaking the truth.
he made a good point about the knicks at least
They said KD couldn't defend when he was in OKC
Look at how good his D is playing in the GSW system
I'm looking forward to seeing how Kyrie's development goes under Brad Stevens and the Boston system
Only time will tell
And whoever control those changes, control how you see things...
Colin, I don't often agree with you, but this time you got it right!
If he can develop to average 8 assist guy and buys into the offensive system and can put in some effort on defense then yes! But all untested opinion.
At 4:00, he better be saying that all superstars have flaws and not that Kyrie Irving is actually equal to Westbrook, Harden, and Kawhi.
Kyrie has the makings of a varsity athlete
why he brought up bron bron isn't even gonna be in the league in a decade
We will wait and see what he can do.
Celtics Now Is The Beast In The East ... #CelticPride 🍀🍀🍀🍀🍀🍀
Cowherd actin like Giannis and Jabari just left Milwaukee...
WTF is with that GE logo? its only for the press conference or they are going to play with that?
once again , it must be easy to average 29 points and 6 assists now lol
So annoying when they show the same 8 second loop over and over and over.
Great move by the Celtics! They are adopting the Warriors' blueprint - to attract more superstars joining the team by forming a super team! I can't wait for superstars like Anthony Davis, Cousins and others to join the Celtics!
Sometimes I'm convinced that Colin doesn't even watch basketball
I have a lot of confidence kyrie will be able to use his game to be the 1st option especially with Stephens/ Stevens
Every player mentioned passes the ball except Leonard, and he makes up for that in defense. The main thing Kyrie gives you is offense, what else will he give you if he's having an off night offensively? Or in the playoffs when a team figures him out/forces other players to make plays?
Kyrie has shown decent defensive skills in spurts, he should be much better in Steven's system. Also, hes not really been a PG in his years with LeBron, which is who the Cavaliers offense runs through. Its unfair to give him the knock on assists when his primary role was to win iso battles off a LeBron pass. The offense will run through him in Boston
David Cote, Valid points, and I'm sure BOS will run similar sets for Kyrie as they did for IT. And even new schematics because Hayward is better than Crowder.
Yet in still, the entire situation raises my eyebrows: Because it'll be interesting to see a player many regard as one-dimensional, to suddenly have an expanded game. Five or six years (more or less) of doing the same thing (his play style in CLE), I imagine, is difficult to shatter. However, if he plays to his confidence's expectations he could be a candidate for Most Improved Player. Kyrie for M. I. P.: Scary, lol.
Indeed a very wise move by the Celtics! By forming a super team, Boston can lure more superstars to join them! I can't wait for Anthony Davis, Cousins and the others to join the Celtics!
There's a big difference between leading a team and being an excellent player on a team ...(I love to see Kyrie play, but he's not a superstar).
This is true.
If Brown and Tatum develop into great players then yes.
Colin. They said Kyrie was consumed with scoring and somehow you said Westbrook, Harden, and Curry are consumed with offense. Offense isn't just scoring. Westbrook, Harden, and Curry are scoring AND playmaking juggernauts. Kyrie isn't a good playmaker.
Milwaukee will be better than the Celtics this year.
J G just hush kid
J G
Milwaukee probably won't even be better than the heat
J G good joke
unless Jaylen Brown and Tatum break out soon big time, the Wizards (continuity and the 2 best guards in the East), Bucks(Giannis, length, potential) and Philly (the FEDS) have more long term potential to win the conference consistently than the celtics. The Celtics are not dominating the Wiz for a decade thats absurd
East: 1. Boston 2. Washington 3. Cleveland 4.Milwaukee 5.Toronto 6.Miami 7. Charlotte 8. Detroit
All the Wizards need is a bench and a big man tbh
It feels so good seeing how salty Colin is about Kawhi Leonard because he knows he is eclipsing LeBron and he knows Spurs would decimate Cavs any day of the week.
Kyrie and hayward are both young,if they stay together and get other good players,they can be great
CP & Wall only complete PGs in the league. Passing, scoring, and defense. Not the most talented, but are the most complete. Wall gonna have a great year just watch!
Samer Kammoun Conley my man. Elite defender for a 1, can close, score, pass, make teammates better, but the three, superb ball control. Conley regularly is slept on
He got mad respect these past payoffs, but Wall with that speed in the open court, ability to see the floor, and scores at will is hard to beat. Conley great tho!!
I think it mostly has something to do with lebron leaving for the lakers
At the beginning of this segment I think this is the first negative-ish thing Colin's ever said about LeBum!
When LeBron was with the Heat, Irving carried the cavs to... wait i know this... to the uhmm...
Bold statement a elite pg is less valuable than and elite forward
It'll be impressive if Kyrie can get another championship but without LeBron.
John Wall is a good defender, Eric Bledsoe, Chris Paul, Patrick Beverly, Jrue Holiday. Giannis is a great defender and he's basically a PG at this point. There are plenty of good defensive PGs that can also score and pass. Maybe not many that are on Kyrie's level of scoring, but I'd rather have someone that doesn't need to iso 30% of his possessions to get buckets at the PG position. I agree that being a good defender at the PG position is overrated as long as you are an amazing playmaker AND scorer, but Kyrie isn't both of those. Harden is. Russ is. Curry is (he doesn't get enough credit for his passing ability), many more are. I'd much rather have Russ, Curry, Wall, maybe even Lillard than Kyrie to be honest.
We'll see how IT does on the Cavs, I think he'll do very well as long as he stays healthy. Also, I want to make it clear I'm a big fan of Kyrie, but acting like it's clear that he can turn in to an amazing playmaker along with a great scoring threat is foolish. I think he has the potential to, but it will take a lot of work.
Can't wait until Lakers come back and play Celtics in the finals again
Real question is can Kyrie bring leadership to the team?
Stop it!! The gap between Kyrie and Kevin Love is smaller then the gap between Kyrie and Lebron. Dont @ me
guip1408 ...
guip1408 Wait, what?😂
The Wallstar is ball handling and shot creating that important?
The Wallstar lebron best player still kd matching lebron finals stats after being worse all year long did not suddenly make kd the better player
The Wallstar true.
Are Conley and Wall not good defenders? I'd say better than Paul now on def
Truth. The Wiz are completely capped out and don't have any assets to improve without gutting the team. Toronto is getting older and older and again is capped out. The Bucks just don't have the pieces around the Greek Freak. The Sixers have far too many unknowns. The Celtics have vastly improved this year and their run begins now
Yeah i'd say this fairly unbiased view. (Sarcasm)
which point is inaccurate?
Now he has a couch thats great, teammates that are better suited to him
If he isnt able to carry them at times, i will say that a 5 foot nothing PG is better and hos 3 for the title was just luck
No. The Bucks are on the come up, and Al Horford is 30+. They'll need to find a solid replacement from him, then they'll become kind of like the Spurs of the east. Always hanging around and making it to finals every 2-4 years.
Boston come playoff time is just not that good. Maybe things will be different but they seem more of a reg season team.
The difference between Russ and Kyrie is that Russ is a legitimate playmakign threat. He's a great passer, along with being an absolutely elite scorer. Kyrie is one dimensional because he's FAR from an elite passer/playmaker. If Kyrie can develop in to a great playmaker, then MAYBE he'll be at Russ' level, but until then he's far from it. Say what you want about Russ defense but at least he puts in maximum effort unlike Kyrie who takes almost every single play off on defense.
If you really think that Kyrie is going to go from someone who had the worst record in the EAST without Lebron to the best record in the EAST without Lebron, then you don't know what you are talking about.
Clearly you didnt know what you where talking about. LMAO
"Wilt Chamberlain scored whenever he wanted on Bill Russell". What?
+Filippos Kyriazidis He averaged 29 and 24 in head-to-head duels against Bill.
That's way below his average at the time. His pct was way worse too.
I didn't know Kyrie was the second coming of Jordan
It's funny how he's says he won't have Westbrook on his team because he's a Ball centric point guard and now he loves bostons move, but aren't they going to have a ball centric point guard to lead there team. hmm
So are people just going to forget that 2 years ago people were saying that kyrie was better than curry and now all of a sudden he leaves LeBron and he's not even a top 5 point guard
By the time Celtics are able to beat the Cavs, the team to beat in the east won't be the Cavs it will be the Bucks or Sixers.
wizards and sixers fans are actually crazy, i know sixers fans are trolls but wizards fans are insane thinking they can beat the celtics and sign boogie in 2018. wizards can't do anything with because of otto porters contract and the celtics added more talent than the wizards have.
I think Colin is wrong on this tbh
"Celtics will dominate the East for most of a decade if he grows his beard back out"
Colin has the classic case of falling in love with potential instead of taking what you see for face value. Kyrie can score. He's a star, but he's more Allen Iverson than Kobe Bryant. The Celtics are a 2nd round playoff team in the East and will fall to the Wizards, Bucks or Heat. They gave up all of their elite defenders to get Kyrie and Heyward. Good luck with that.
So, you heard Kyrie speak of working both ends of the floor. No doubt Danny and Brad had a conversation about the importance of defense. Surely they schooled him about Bill Russell and his role in 11 championship based on defense. Surely they told him of how Kyrie himself has shown he is capable of great defense when he puts his mind to it. And surely they pointed out that unlike Isaiah, Kyrie isn't vertically challenged and has no excuse for poor defense. Surely they pointed out every one of Boston's championship teams had FIERCE defense and rarely does any team win it all without great defense. Kyrie Irving will become a defensive lock. Rest assured, Brad and Danny will see to it!
I have to disagree. Curry is a much better defender than Kyrie. Look at his steals, defensive rating, and team's defense. Statistically he is actually a better defender than Klay Thompson. Sure there is a lot more offense in today's game and less defense, but there is more defense than given credit for. Especially when Marvin Bagely, John Jackson, De'Aaron Fox, and Michael Porter enter the league. Also Paul is an elite defender.
None of this matters because the Warriors or any top western team will win most of the titles in the next 5-8 years
Bill Russell locked down wilt chamberlain a lot of the times they went head to head. Wilt shooting average against Bill Russel is 37% the lowest in his career against anyone.
Is it just me or Colin has been rational in regard to LeBron recently
Kawhi doesn't pass????? What
LeBron fanboys are salty cause Kyrie didn't want to play with him anymore
Kyrie Irving is like Kurt Cobain. #thumbsup
Giannis. Is. Listening.
Boston will rule!
nah they will lose.
Yea! like your team the nets are winners..lol
everybody he named improved on defense
Kyrie Irving is all of a sudden not that good huh ? He's a top 10 player in the NBA and will avg 27 pts a game next year...Hayward will avg 25
Justin Alves
Lebron, Durant, Kawhi, Curry, Westbrook, Harden, Wall, Giannis, Anthony Davis, DeMarcus Cousins, Jimmy Butler, and Paul George are all better than Kyrie. Also how do you figure Hayward is going to be able to do something be couldn't when he was the only offensive star on the Jazz while playing with one of the most ball dominant iso heavy players in the league?
I agree that Kyrie should average at least 27 but no way will Hayward average 25. If he didn't score that much in Utah as the no.1 option, how would he do that in Boston as the no.2. He will average around 20 -23 ppg
Utah plays at a snails pace. Hayward will have open 3's for days in Boston and his athleticism in the paint is extremely underrated. Hes the second complete scorer the Celtics have been lacking, and he is overall a better player than Irving imo.
I think Boston will lose in the 2nd round. I don't think you can beat the wizards, raptors, relying on rookies and an unproven Gordan Hayward. Kyrie going do his thing just don't think he have enough pieces to face Cleveland
Darius Mathis that would be amazing
This Boston team is better than last years team who beat the wizards tho. Raptors are a better team out of both so you got a point there.
I dont think Boston is better than Toronto right now and dont sleep on Charlotte either. Charlotte is cooking up something and people are not paying attention. Dont forget, Boston has now turned over about 80-90% of its team. This isnt the same team as last year or the year before. They are probably going to need time to mesh while Toronto, Charlotte and Washington has had the same roster for the past few years for the most part and are all getting better and better.
Let me guess, Boston fan. I didnt even mention Cleveland. So that leaves Boston at about 5th or 6th in the East. They wont be as good as they were last season. Kyrie will have highlights but highlights wont make them dominate the East for a decade. Get real.
I agree, he does have potential and he is young enough to grow. I just don't think they will be one of the best two teams in the east this season coming up. He's actually one of if not my favorite player to watch. But I don't see instant success here.
D-N- JAE You mean Miami not Charlotte
SilkyCrisp6 I don't take Miami serious. They're not a threat at all.
Boston will dominate the east for a decade ? That's crazy, you know Colin you keep forgetting he played with Lebron. What did Pippen do without Jordan zero championships. The east is putting together some good potential young teams
like Boston. The only way Boston wins trade is if Kyrie gets them a ring.
Why is colin such a westbrook hater, he throws shade every time he can. 35% 3s is pretty average, "can't shoot 3's" ?? come on
Alot of Kyrie doubters looking real silly right now
People sleeping on the Wiz though........
Diogo Ferreira they need another star to help wall and Beal unless porter can turn into that star they need someone else
i feel like porter will be a really good role player/ specialist during his career but nothing more, i think they're problem is the bench....zero production....the starting five is very good.
They don't have no depth
Diogo Ferreira true
Damon Sidur Otto porter went to Brooklyn
Not going to happen. There are about 5 Batmans in the league that can put a team on its back AND GET TO THE FINALS. Kyrie is not one of them. They may be the 1 seed (doubtful), but Kyrie can't get past LeBron with Gordon Heyward.
Kyrie have no chance against Milwaukee. Thin Makers and Giannis Antetokounmpo are going to swat every shot in the paint. Delly and Brogdon are going to lock him up on the perimeter.
So the Celtics trade away their best 2 defenders (Bradley, Crowder). Are Kyrie and Gordon gonna stop anyone from scoring??? Celtics will be able to score but their defense will be trash. They will be top 4 in the East. Not number 2
Colin will you please knock it off. Celtics aint dominating for no damn decade
Still Cant believe we got kyrie
Kyrie is missing something
Um Kawhi passes the ball lol. He doesn't do it for personal stats ,it's team passing . People really don't watch these games and make these assessments like bruh lol. It's different if pop told him bring the ball down and facilitate/distribute but his job is to play team ball and show up when his number is called. Which his number has been called alot for the past 3 years. But to get back on subject the man passes the ball and is good at it. Is he flashy or stat sheet stuffer in assists, no but the man does lol.
Nah fam. Don't sleep on the Bucks and the 76ers potential. Plus the Wizards are still good and Lebron hasn't left yet. Stop overreacting Colin
they're not dominating anything for the decade (or any amount of time) with this roster. they still have real competition in the cavs and wizards, and within two years they'll be getting manhandled by the bucks and sixers.
Why Bucks not Boston wouldn't dominate the East:
Unless Boston can get Anthony Davis they will be number 2-3 in the east next decade.....
If Jabari Parker comes back without losing a step continue progressing and him, Giannis and Middleton stick together long term with a few nice trade moves and signing by the Bucks then the Bucks will run the East after Lebron starts to decline.
This new youtube layout tho...