Destiny 2: Blast Radius vs Velocity! (PvP AND PvE)

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  • For Rocket Launchers and Grenade Launchers, what's more important? Blast Radius or Velocity? How important are Cluster Bombs? Rangefinder? Let's review.
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Komentáře • 192

  • @_Quint_
    @_Quint_ Před 6 lety +33

    I'm pretty sure rangefinder on nade launchers affects the projectile arc trajectory more than it does the actual velocity. Basically, shots fly further and more straight than they do without the perk.

    • @ChunkyJo
      @ChunkyJo Před 6 lety +1

      I noticed that as well on his video. The non-rangefinder one was dipping significantly lower than the Rangfinder-ed one.

    • @XjerichoX12
      @XjerichoX12 Před 6 lety +6

      Quint that ain’t it coach, it was certainly not making any difference to the arc of the frag and even if it did, your rockets trajectory alters mid flight?

    • @Zaidurade
      @Zaidurade Před 5 lety

      @@ChunkyJo czcams.com/video/4iQSmF67Exk/video.htmlm45s umm i think you should rewatch, heres a link to the grenade launcher testing part. I would actually say the exact opposite is true... i know almost nothing about destiny's hidden mechanics (thats why i watch these videos lol) but it actually looks like rangefinder has much more of an arc? or is that what you're saying? i can't imagine why you would agree with the comment above you if you think he is wrong though?

  • @philbflippers
    @philbflippers Před 6 lety +46

    Oh baby its another Fallout research video, that good shit, that good content.

  • @Jurassic-yz8er
    @Jurassic-yz8er Před 6 lety +94

    “Don’t say I’ve never done anything for ya”...... mate, at this point you’ve done more tests than datto

    • @milesbrashier3970
      @milesbrashier3970 Před 6 lety +2

      Ikr

    • @Relampagoblue
      @Relampagoblue Před 6 lety +6

      Datto may be a raid God but he seems to be clueless compared to Fallout's PvP analysis.

    • @DermyOP
      @DermyOP Před 6 lety +1

      Datto's not clueless, he just doesn't upload the good stuff that Fallout does

  • @swagcon3449
    @swagcon3449 Před 6 lety +3

    These people put more research and work into this than my science project

  • @jeustinalvaradob.133
    @jeustinalvaradob.133 Před 5 lety +1

    4:25 love the way he says "compact"

  • @hextheoutcast
    @hextheoutcast Před 6 lety +6

    Many thanks for the invite! If you need a Crash Test Guardian lemme know!
    - Hex_Outcast

  • @eamonmcafee7291
    @eamonmcafee7291 Před 6 lety +1

    Great work as always. Would love a dmg comparison for different GL grenade types. Eg sticky, implosion rounds, proximity...

  • @tobyburke734
    @tobyburke734 Před 4 lety

    Thankyou 4 taking the time 2 do all the comparisons of weapons.

  • @dseych
    @dseych Před 6 lety

    Thanks for this, I was always curious how much velocity and blast radius mattered, I would have thought velocity was more important.

  • @Forcer69
    @Forcer69 Před 6 lety +57

    In my eyes it’s cluster bombs or nothing

    • @boerica1207
      @boerica1207 Před 6 lety +6

      Forcer true but I honestly don’t like them in pvp because if you shoot the rocket in the middle of some enemies and then dive in there, the cluster bombs actually have a chance to damage you a TON

    • @adonisrodriguez4244
      @adonisrodriguez4244 Před 6 lety +2

      Lol 2 destiny comment gods debating things

    • @II-Seraph-II
      @II-Seraph-II Před 6 lety

      @@boerica1207 i completely agree, in pvp scenarios they can get you killed

    • @Thegenerator100
      @Thegenerator100 Před 6 lety

      Yup, they are way more effective than they were in D1... They explode all at once and do A TON of damage so eveen if you don‘tt get the instant kill you are more likely to kill them with the cluster bombs

    • @PhillipAmthor
      @PhillipAmthor Před 6 lety

      Cluster or full blast radius

  • @devinwong7225
    @devinwong7225 Před 6 lety +1

    My miltias birthright rolled with quickdraw, and rangefinder. Its very fun to use in the crucible.

  • @MrSmurf459
    @MrSmurf459 Před 6 lety +9

    I’d would’ve like to know if there was some sort of relationship between blast radius and proximity detonation!

    • @astrix_mvp
      @astrix_mvp Před 5 lety

      it sure is, since they “had” to nerf it ;)

  • @callmemisvael
    @callmemisvael Před 6 lety

    TIL - I was under the impression that more blast meant more damage at least in PvE. Thanks as always Fallout for doing all the work for me and letting me strip the benefits of your testing.

    • @callmemisvael
      @callmemisvael Před 6 lety

      p.s. if you are really interested in testing a militia birthright with rangefinder let me know, I have one with and one without that you could test side by side.

  • @Hungrybird474
    @Hungrybird474 Před 3 lety

    We bad with our rockets . Glad they came back in 2021 . Can’t believe it’s been a while playing this game and it’s still going . Season of the chosen

  • @lloydsexton6635
    @lloydsexton6635 Před 5 lety

    Would love to see someone do a video about what weapon mods are best for rocket launchers such as target adjuster and what they actually do.

  • @omniadoc
    @omniadoc Před 6 lety

    Oh wow thanks for this video! I thought the high and low velocity rockets would have a bigger difference!

  • @DrROBschiz
    @DrROBschiz Před 6 lety +29

    Wow! Super diappointed on how little an effect velocity has on rocket speed. We really needs a SERIOUS buff to Velocity speed to make the stat more effective. In PVP this would seriously help with Tracking Module launchers if Velocity allowed it to fly faster and track better.

    • @ChunkyJo
      @ChunkyJo Před 6 lety +2

      And I LOOOVE tracking rockets with clusterbombs

    • @Relampagoblue
      @Relampagoblue Před 6 lety +6

      You couldn't be more wrong. You want the lowest velocity possible on a tracking rocket. The slower it flies the more time it has to course correct.

    • @BatDad-qu4fo
      @BatDad-qu4fo Před 5 lety +1

      Kal El Exactly this. The only way they could counter that is if they brought back aggressive tracking like Truth had in D1. That thing would follow you to the ends of the Earth and practically switch directions on a dime!

    • @PFCMittens
      @PFCMittens Před 3 lety

      2 years later, wish granted. Impulse amplifier baybee

  • @bobbyfrantz1234
    @bobbyfrantz1234 Před 5 lety

    it feels like the birthright with rangefinder straightens the arc and makes it shoot like a rocket launcher

  • @spruced_up333
    @spruced_up333 Před 6 lety

    Thanks for the info on those differences. If yur on ps4 and want to test it I got the militia's birthright with range finder.

  • @Spauldo123
    @Spauldo123 Před 6 lety +2

    Your outro, when you you said "This video was brought to you by..." and then leaned to the side, I totally thought you were gonna rip ass and just end the video.

  • @jhudge1246
    @jhudge1246 Před 6 lety

    Good stuff. Aztecross did a Malitia's Birthright video where he tested Rangefinder. It just shot straighter with less arch.

  • @Tetlee
    @Tetlee Před 5 lety

    In PVP I love a grenade launcher with sticky grenades(Edge Transit in my case, yep), why? Brings back the feeling of the good old days when you could stick trip mines to Gaurdians in Crucible. Great fun!

  • @fluffyfingersmd
    @fluffyfingersmd Před 6 lety

    Great video, thanks man. I really was wondering about this. Time to clean the vault

  • @donkM852
    @donkM852 Před 6 lety +2

    That’s cool, but did you know Wisconsin produces 951,000,000 lbs of cheese every year

  • @InfernoPhilM
    @InfernoPhilM Před 6 lety +1

    Don’t go cheap on tires either. It’s where the rubber meets the road.

  • @---mp8vy
    @---mp8vy Před 4 lety

    9:23 *laughs nervously

  • @FlaviaPitariu
    @FlaviaPitariu Před 5 lety

    So range finder on grenade launchers is just a flatter arc, shown by the higher impact point on the range finder one

  • @LakerTriangle
    @LakerTriangle Před 6 lety

    Thanks for crushing my Rangefinder bubble!

  • @williamblank2213
    @williamblank2213 Před 5 lety

    Back in d1 I'd go for low blast radius rocket launchers for pvp so I can shoot people close to me without killing myself. That was with grenades and horseshoes tho. Haven't used rockets in pvp in d2. But I'd imagine depending on play style a similar concept could work for you

  • @level19cpu7
    @level19cpu7 Před 6 lety

    I'm now sad that my edge transit isn't a god roll (rampage, proximity, and rangefinder), when I thought rangefinder actually made up for specing for high blast radius, low velocity

  • @shanecreel8785
    @shanecreel8785 Před 5 lety

    I love you vids they are always very informative and before watching I’m going to go with velocity as that is what I always have felt was more important. Be glad to see if I was correct!

  • @LaGucciVida
    @LaGucciVida Před 6 lety +3

    I’m glad you called bygones a rocket launcher because it bloody feels like it!

  • @tengkuizz3185
    @tengkuizz3185 Před 6 lety

    I use bad omens with high velocity, tracking and cluster bomb. The thing is i only use it in gambit, mostly to counter sleeper invaders or me invading. I can just lock on, shoot and hide behind cover and having high velocity = insta kill. But sometimes i trade but it kills them in the end

    • @jimwhite2893
      @jimwhite2893 Před 6 lety

      I got one with high velocity and tracking but no cluster, but it has made gambit so much more fun. I think high velocity does help a little bit at further ranges. In gambit I'm shooting at sniper ranges. My bad omens made gambit fun. I was getting owned by sleepers until I got it to drop. Other tracking rockets work too but bad omens has a high rpm higher than most other rockets. I'm looking for a tracking, cluster roll for sure

  • @jimwhite2893
    @jimwhite2893 Před 6 lety

    And this is why I dont dismantle any iron banner weapons. 9 times out of 10 they have really good perks or perform much better than other weapons. Roar of the bear looked weak at first glance, its actually one of my best launchers and I dont even have cluster bombs on it. Roar of the bear and Bad Omens are my go to now

  • @PhillyJedii
    @PhillyJedii Před 6 lety +4

    You mentioned the damage cap in PVP is 300 for rockets.
    1. Is there a damage cap for grenade launchers?
    2. I saw the perk “spiked grenades. (Does more damage on direct impact) You didn’t really cover that, Fallout.
    FYI: Love your content.

    • @justenough215
      @justenough215 Před 6 lety +1

      Most if not all grenade launchers will Ohko if you get a direct hit in Pvp. Spikes is good for pve

    • @PhillyJedii
      @PhillyJedii Před 6 lety

      What about damage in PVE?

    • @aaronchisholm4
      @aaronchisholm4 Před 5 lety +1

      On the one-shot launchers it works. With proximity grenade you do about 184 on direct impact, and with spike it's over 200. 234 or something like that. Much more difficult to hit though.

    • @PhillyJedii
      @PhillyJedii Před 5 lety

      One shot grenade launcher damage is equal to drum grenade launchers? That’s my confusion.

    • @aaronchisholm4
      @aaronchisholm4 Před 5 lety +1

      No, heavy launchers do more damage, naturally. But you can get one shots to kill in one shot with the right perks and a good shot.

  • @kalebsweet7362
    @kalebsweet7362 Před 5 lety +1

    Hey Fallout, could you do a video on Draw time for bows vs without it to see how much of an impact it makes?

  • @kevinbishop543
    @kevinbishop543 Před 5 lety

    I have the iron banner rocket with range finder....the velocity is crazy and felt noticeably quicker

  • @marwandekhayel7538
    @marwandekhayel7538 Před 6 lety +9

    Fallout btw I'm a big fan ❤️ but indica did a test on rocket launcher cluster bombs with high blast radius and low blast radius in pve and found out that even with high spread of the clusters, targets in the middlesh will get hit with the clusters same as the low spread clusters on the other hand far targets will get hit from the high but not the low (tested sins of the past and curtain call)
    I am saying this because I didn't see you test the two stats on boss or in pve you just said it was good (test it on calus good boss not too big or small)
    Other than that you're golden❤️

  • @ericblase4873
    @ericblase4873 Před 6 lety

    I need one of these on Zen Moment and Dynamic Sway Reduction.

    • @astrix_mvp
      @astrix_mvp Před 5 lety

      yeah a rocket with zen moment would be soooooo good! 🙈

  • @paularrington6371
    @paularrington6371 Před 6 lety

    I’ve got a roar of the bear with tracking and rangefinder

  • @voidtankage4289
    @voidtankage4289 Před 6 lety +2

    Can you make a video on which perks are better for grenade launchers like proximity or like sticky nades

    • @HibiscusOrchid
      @HibiscusOrchid Před 5 lety

      It's quite easy to pick between the two based on combat needs.
      Proximity for quick fights and airborne targets.
      Sticky for strategic mine placements.

  • @bereisgreat
    @bereisgreat Před 6 lety +1

    I was really surprised what little difference high velocity made :/

  • @KeymanxPolo
    @KeymanxPolo Před 6 lety

    Rangefinder on grenade launchers is useful for a better linear flight path more so than the speed of its trajectory.

  • @Julian-fy9oi
    @Julian-fy9oi Před 6 lety

    Good ol fallout. I have a militia's birth right with range finder, quick draw, and high velocity rounds/concussive grenades. On PS4 you can use my account to test and use the footage.

  • @epicgamerzfail4575
    @epicgamerzfail4575 Před 6 lety

    Huh, I always thought it was velocity for pvp and blast radius for pve. Guess it's the reverse, thanks fallout!

  • @noahdamian4268
    @noahdamian4268 Před 6 lety

    I think the best rocket is not curtain call anymore. It would have to go to a rocket with cluster field prep and impact induction. If there is a faster fire rocket like curtain call with this roll I want it.

  • @opual5201
    @opual5201 Před 5 lety +1

    Swarm of the raven intensifies

  • @fluxxxtasy
    @fluxxxtasy Před 6 lety

    I always thought on a cluster bomb rocket, the more Blast Radius - the more clusters..

  • @greed0and0fear
    @greed0and0fear Před 6 lety

    Ph damn, the Redeem clip has me dying

  • @kendric_BUF
    @kendric_BUF Před 6 lety +1

    Papa Fallout dropping some hot wisdom

  • @stuartbagley2586
    @stuartbagley2586 Před 6 lety

    This helps a lot. Thanks dude!

  • @Zaperad
    @Zaperad Před 6 lety

    Eyyy that was me with the broom ;D but fr had a lot of fun that night, cool to finally see the video👍

  • @manuelalejandrocaceresfari5997

    Really cool video, but you missed the importance of spike grenades for PvE, specially on 150 rpm

  • @apothe0sis
    @apothe0sis Před 5 lety

    What about the difference that blast radius vs velocity against a moving target - if someone is running laterally how much of a difference in terms of kill window do we observe?

  • @bearssaymeow7186
    @bearssaymeow7186 Před 6 lety

    Great vid fallout. Learned a lot 👍🏽

  • @Rucarlos
    @Rucarlos Před 6 lety

    Phenomenal video. I can't believe I've been doing it wrong all this time 😅

  • @cbct8602
    @cbct8602 Před 6 lety

    Truth-teller had huge blast radius but concussion nades are way better for majors.

  • @chewaga
    @chewaga Před 6 lety

    Your videos are making me a better player and helping me finally delete some what if rolls (it's getting crowded in the vault). Do you know if reload perks or masterworks cld have a noticeable impact on boss dps?

  • @manemrob1510
    @manemrob1510 Před 6 lety

    Thanks Fallout! 👍👍

  • @stevedarunner5736
    @stevedarunner5736 Před 6 lety

    Thanks a ton.

  • @guacamolegeneral1060
    @guacamolegeneral1060 Před 6 lety

    You messed something up. Rangefinder on grenade launchers decreases the arch on the grenade when it is flying trough the air

  • @chaff5
    @chaff5 Před 5 lety

    Hey your upper right corner link at the beginning of this vid doesn't link to the kill clip/rampage vid but to your "fastest way to beat riven" video.

  • @gryphon123456
    @gryphon123456 Před 6 lety +2

    Can someone please do a video on what perks make a good PvP grenade launcher? I find that other than proximity grenades shot bounces everywhere and completely unpredictable.

    • @armageddragoon2514
      @armageddragoon2514 Před 6 lety +1

      Proximity grenades and quickdrawn(last perk is not that important) for every single heavy GL, quickdrawn + auto loading holster for special GLs(don't like proximity nades on them because most of the times they explode before reaching OHK range).
      Edit: Max blast radius, other stats don't matter.

    • @Whitebishop89
      @Whitebishop89 Před 6 lety

      Sticky nades are fun too. I love the prospector you can set traps with the stickys to pull off some pretty fun plays.

    • @masonstewart6502
      @masonstewart6502 Před 6 lety

      Just find the perks that you like, dawg

    • @aaronchisholm4
      @aaronchisholm4 Před 5 lety

      On heavy nade launchers, I go for velocity with sticky grenades, and rampage. the other perk is a wildcard; doesn't really matter. For the one-shot launchers, specifically militia's because that's the only random roll one right now, I have an ambitious assassin, range finder, with proximity; it's dirty. Real dirty. A thousand kills with it already. The spike grenades are good for one shotting enemies, but you have to be spot on; it's incredibly difficult, but very rewarding.

  • @v1etnammer
    @v1etnammer Před 6 lety

    how has this man not broken 100k subs?

  • @krumpittube
    @krumpittube Před 6 lety

    Good analysis 👍

  • @BsYtHandle
    @BsYtHandle Před 5 lety

    You said that there is a negligible difference in low and high velocity. Isn't it the split seconds that make the difference in PVP?

  • @jhstoke
    @jhstoke Před 6 lety

    I have a birthright with and without rangefinder if you wish to test.

  • @sergio4266
    @sergio4266 Před 6 lety

    If your RNG were truly terrible, you would've had it drop with rangefinder. (Great vid as always, thank you!)

  • @tundranocaps
    @tundranocaps Před 6 lety

    One thing is left out, how about how velocity affects the direct hit damage? Relevant mostly in PvE, cause direct hits in PvP tend to kill anyway. I've been told that higher velocity leads to higher impact damage?

  • @SP-me5si
    @SP-me5si Před 6 lety

    What about spike grenades? How much of a damage boost do they give compared to it without spike grenades?

  • @hmmdoh7835
    @hmmdoh7835 Před 5 lety

    Hmm i feel so sad when the scorn guys in gambit side step dodged my rocket with tracking XD

  • @renanpontara7906
    @renanpontara7906 Před 6 lety

    I fucking love this channel.

  • @Killahurtz260
    @Killahurtz260 Před 6 lety

    Now I regret dismantling my roar of the bear.....

  • @CruelViper88
    @CruelViper88 Před 6 lety

    Hmm...Riven....I want to see a blast of the bast...6x rat king or Sweet Business :P

  • @rolarocka
    @rolarocka Před 3 lety

    Learned a lot 😍

  • @droptdown
    @droptdown Před 5 měsíci

    five years ago....DAYUM you sound young my BOY!
    OMG BABY FACE!!

  • @rocketfishx3474
    @rocketfishx3474 Před 5 lety

    Thanks man

  • @Whitebishop89
    @Whitebishop89 Před 6 lety

    I have Roar of the bear with range finder if you're looking for one to test

  • @lyrrr.8059
    @lyrrr.8059 Před 6 lety +1

    Uhm, wasn't the "Blast Radius affects Cluster Bomb Spread" myth debunked years ago?

  • @thunderlipsjoe216
    @thunderlipsjoe216 Před 5 lety

    Has the tight blast radius for clusters against bosses been tested since rocket damage changed? IE the ridiculous buff to blast radius and nerf to clusters does more blast radius equal more better now? Or is it still tighter is more dps on bosses just hit your shots, as the golden ruler here?? Who the hell has any reliability of rockets in PVP anymore, so many direct hits with nade launchers and rockets and i watch laggy guardians walk away. Like i get clusters have RNG but more often than no i watch teammates hit perfect rocket shots into 1 or many guardians only to see everyone walk away near full health. Nades since the proximity mine nerf are fairly useless and very unreliable now too which sucks as that was my favorite heavy as 4 nades meant 3 - 4 kills if i played safe/smart.

  • @onlyplaywarlock434
    @onlyplaywarlock434 Před 2 lety

    i want to ask what about the imapct dmg??🤔
    if you have significantly higher velocity, then will the impact dmg also increases?? you know, like ppl die of sword flying into a wall kind of logic

  • @aetherfukz
    @aetherfukz Před 5 lety

    Damn that ship at the start looks glorious. Whats the name?

  • @mikkokloke6205
    @mikkokloke6205 Před 5 lety

    So the damage on a rocket launcher isn't influenced by the blast radius, so every rocket launcher rocket does the same damage?

  • @ElMoleZtadoR
    @ElMoleZtadoR Před 4 lety

    the part about not using grenade launchers for raid bosses aged well

  • @fixeddice1982
    @fixeddice1982 Před 6 lety

    @Fallout Plays does Velocity affect tracking at all? Is a rocket more likely to track and hit an opponent based on speed of the rocket?

  • @pookiipower435
    @pookiipower435 Před 6 lety

    Great video, as always

  • @italianterror3329
    @italianterror3329 Před 6 lety

    @Fallout does the velocity have or blast radius have any correlation to how much damage per shot a rocket does? E.g. a higher velocity is almost like a higher impact?

  • @charleyjr.iriarte7428
    @charleyjr.iriarte7428 Před 5 lety

    Thanks for sharing. Bless

  • @Shonufff88
    @Shonufff88 Před 6 lety

    Thank you

  • @SkitzzoTTV
    @SkitzzoTTV Před 5 lety

    Another thing you can't go cheap on fallout: d2 forsaken

  • @zackphy
    @zackphy Před 6 lety

    I've got a militias birthright with rangefinder if you wanna test it lol.

  • @samsotsky8249
    @samsotsky8249 Před 6 lety

    Hey I have a Militas birthright with range finder. And I got another one with the blinding perk if u wanna test them.

  • @aaronchisholm4
    @aaronchisholm4 Před 5 lety

    Idk man, I kinda disagree about grenade launchers and velocity. I find it much easier to get kills with a high velocity outrageous fortune than an edge transit or play of the game. Mostly just my preference though. Maybe velocity is more tied to drop versus actual speed of projectile? You could kind of see it in your vid. Also, sticky grenades are the bomb. If only militia's could roll with that...

  • @Levofski
    @Levofski Před 6 lety

    Hello I would like to request that you test if Super Mods affect the amount of super you need to gain via Dynamo etc. It is clear that they reduce the basic cooldown time, but do they help if you are generating super with Dynamo or other armour perks? Thanks muchly.

  • @Tyler-zx7xn
    @Tyler-zx7xn Před 6 lety

    You might wanna add that i-link to the kill clip vs rampage video before people notice, mate. 🙂

  • @Serit0nin
    @Serit0nin Před 6 lety

    Almost 90K!!!

  • @user-ws1oy8rx3g
    @user-ws1oy8rx3g Před 2 lety +1

    for anyone watching this now they changed blast radius to not effect the total damage of the rockets and charge time masterworks also don't affect damage anymore.

  • @gryphon123456
    @gryphon123456 Před 6 lety

    The more you know! 💫💫🌟

  • @l.4165
    @l.4165 Před 6 lety +1

    Can blast radius go above 100? I have a tier 4 masterwork and it’s at 100 blast radius, should I upgrade it more?

    • @DetestN
      @DetestN Před 6 lety

      Dimkee Hotay send it fellar

  • @MrMeist
    @MrMeist Před 6 lety +3

    Cluster bombs are *not* effected by blast radius

    • @Bottlecap
      @Bottlecap Před 5 lety

      Meist What about implosion rounds? Says a more controlled explosion??