Hasan Speaks to Asmongold On Campus Protests
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- Hasan Speaks to Asmongold On Campus Protests
Link to Asmongold: / zackrawrr
Hasanabi (AKA Hasan Piker) is an American Twitch streamer and political commentator. He is known for covering the news and discussing politics from a left-wing perspective. He also plays a variety of video games, reacts to funny videos and occasionally checks out memes made by the community.
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Bro really said MLK was against blocking transportation. 🤦🏿♂️
MLK was a mixed bag
I'm just at the beginning of the video, so Hasan might expand more later. But him bringing up the Montgomery boycott doesn't really support that MLK was in favor of blocking traffic. Is there another example from MLK related to this?
MLK did march in the streets and boycott bus routes, but his goal was not to block public spaces. When I see these students go out of their way to restrict movement (stepping in front of civilians to block a sidewalk) this goes beyond advocating their beleifs, ostensibly they do not want certain civilains to move through a public space. Which is against the first amendment (anyone not breaking the law is allowed in a public space to voice their opinion) and therefore is illegal, which is why these protests have been broken up.
bro realy needs to shower, too much greese in his brain. Hasan explained the counter protest dude and that shit went over thus idiots head, too busy chilling with rocahes on his shoulder
MLK did infact regret blocking traffic and spoke against doing it after seeing how counterintuitive it was.
What this debate taught me: Asmongold hates anything, no matter how agreeable the cause is, if it even mildly inconvienves him.
It doesn't even inconvenience him he's just going full centrist.
Freedom of speech is any words spoken out of MY HEARING; If I can hear it it's INFRINGING ON MY RIGHT
What your comment taught me: If you find yourself agreeing with beating a woman unconscious as the homophobe, larping as freedom fighters, protesters did and agree with assaulting other people you're simply a moron
He never leaves his goblin cave. This doesn't inconvenience him at all.
@@troubadour0663 yeah sorry I should say: inconvenience a hypothetical college student not being let on campus that doesn't even exist
Since when are protests supposed to be convenient?
Are you pretending this had meaning?
@@jspsand7085 ?
@@jspsand7085the point of a protest is to be inconvenient 💀
Says Asmon because he wants his chicken tendies
*legal they need to be *legal
Asmongold is the perfect example of civil society rhetoric to justify law and order, while never having nuance for people who are literally being killed by said laws and never trying to learn about why they would consider laws unjust.
LOL, this take under a Hasan video... delicious.
@@adampike3834 Refute it then
exactly, never trust any texan to do the right thing....
@@onimusic6525 How exactly are people being killed by the laws that asmon is supporting being upheld?
@@adampike3834 Yes, under a Hasan video. What does that even mean?
"Violence is totally justified if you're on someone's private property" (is then told that UCLA is public property) "yeah ok fine whatever."
And after that, goes on throughout much of the conversation to insist, over and over again, that private property owners (referencing UCLA, a public University) have the right to call the state in to commit violence against the students. Dude.
"but they blocked the access to other students who it's their property also" - "they did not block anything, UCLA itself blocked access to hall and library in order to disperse them" (btw it's collective punishment and HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATION) - "oh really, I didn't know that, well it's their right to do so"..........absolute demon "It's my horse I'm allowed to beat it as much as I want I can even kill it if I want to just watch me. I am the only sane person in this sick world everyone around me is insane"
Wouldn’t him conceding be a good thing? Isn’t that what we want? Bruh
@@crowdedcrow3098 Back in one circle - Asmongold is a MAGE, when he duels warriors he kites them around for 2,5 hours
He's reasonable but not super informed because he is not a political commentator, unlike Hasan.
This was excruciating to listen to. If marches aren't leading to policy changes, you "aren't allowed" to protest via bridges, schools, anything involving even the slightest inconvenience to others, etc. there will literally never be a change to status quo
Assholegold is a Texan right winger, any other take about him is a lie....
I love what you said at the end, it is so true
imagine every group with different goals did the same to achieve their objective !!!?
and that's whole crux of Asmon.
Who wants the Status Quo to stay where it is (not because of nefarious means) but he refuses to change and be contempt where he is because it doesn't effect him and if it does change, IT MIGHT effect him. So he stays in the middle unchanging.
Black Pill at its finest, just like 90% of his community that's he's cultivated for the last decade.
@@zorba9660right wingers already achieve their goals, look at the facts and use your moral compass to pick a side
I like how Asmond doesn’t understand what manufacturing consent is.
Its a phrase that leftists use that they think makes them sound smart.
"Manufacturing consent"- something reddit made up
@@Victor-vj5dsmy guy you are dumb manufacturing consent is a geopolitical term which means the artificial manufacturing of public consent for actions such as war
@@Victor-vj5dsyou are the redditor who doesn’t know what manufacturing consent for war or politics means 😭💀
@@Victor-vj5dshere I’ll use an example In a sentence for you to understand easy bud😊! “The bush administration along with the American state department and intelligence community manufactured consent to invade Iraq” there you go my guy!
Fascinating how the only thing Asmon is passionate about is property.
And cops using excessive force for some reaaon?
Ok, give me your house. Actually give me all your stuff.
@@diegeticfridge9167 private and personal property are not the same thing
@@rexplos1on ok…? The university is not public property in the same way a park or sidewalk is. And blocking public property is illegal.
@@diegeticfridge9167 I think op meant that asmon values property more than actual humans getting hurt at the end of the day not that properties don’t matter
Asmon " i am totally ok with protesting " one person complains about walking another 50 yards
" jail all of them"
Making up things doesn't make your point valid you know that right?
@@Victor-vj5dswhy do you wanna defend a neck beard CZcamsr over literal victims of an ongoing genocide brother 💀 please reassess your life.
@Victor-vj5ds what part was made up? The part when he laughed at protesters getting attacked by the police or the part when he said "protesting shouldn't inconvenience anyone"
@@Victor-vj5dslol you got triggered
Never trust a Texan to do the right thing, from Bush onward all they do is lie, cheat and steal...
He keeps talking about private property, but UCLA is publicly owned i.e. public property
That is true, but from my understanding you aren't allowed to block others from accessing said public property, which is what I assume he is referring to.
public schools aren't wholly available to the public despite being public property.
So then the protestors can’t stop people from accessing certain areas since it’s public?
Even if you accept the worst things being said about the protests are true they pale in comparison to the genocide these schools are funding. Whinging about students putting up tents on whoever's property is concern trolling.
@@saerenVTthere are public areas and private areas. The public isn’t free to roam the dorms or classrooms or faculty buildings. The areas where the encampments are being setup at public universities are open to the public. You’re free to walk across UCLA’s campus.
I feel like this entire 2 and a half hour conversation came down to Asmond just not being able to understand the idea that protests need to be disruptive to the party you are protesting against so that it forces this party to capitulate to negotiations…
Correct. And it seems the majority of mouth breathing Americans are also struggling to understand this.
He's doing a hogwatch from the wrong side of history
He understood it very well and he explained multiple times that you should not be able to basically coerce the university to do what you want. Classic rtard hassan viewer only listening what his daddy says
@@iosifsaviuc131 When you pay said university an obscene amount of money and also live there (so it's also the kid's homes) they should most definitely have a say in where that money goes if not on the school itself.
Unfortunately he's not alone. It's now essentially a mainstream center-right (and I include the current US presidential administration) position that protests that inconvenience or upset people are de facto destructive and violent.
asmon: yeah i saw the counterprotestors beating the shit out of the pro-palestinian protestors and the cops did nothing, it was devastating
also asmon literally a few seconds before that: well the counterprotestors actually have the right to agitate and disrupt the peaceful protest
protesting is only okay if its about video games
@@SAVarXXBut only to get a few more pixels of booba! Not if the protest is to stop the over sexualization of women in games. Then asmon and his ilk will say the protesters are not part of the gaming community and their concerns aren't valid. 🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
Forgetgonmold
your protesters have a mainfesto of wishes.
And one of them is NO POLICE on campus. and of course defund the police.
So sit back down!
is there no distinction between assaulting people and agitating/disrupting a protest that is on public property which in itself is a protest
Hasan has so much patience. I felt like my brain was melting listening to asmon go around in the same poorly thought out circles
I could never
literally the first hour he keeps saying the same shit, hasan has angel level patience lol
fr I would’ve torn out my hair the way he was talking like a broken record
Hasan did the same thing you re just hatewatching
I want to see Asmon fall from money/grace from this alone tbh....
Not surprised, as someone who did watch asmon for a while, I pretty much never expect him to have a good take on most things outside of gaming.
If it ain't happening in Azeroth or his attic, seek a second opinion
happy for you fr that you can filter out a person that has no idea on what they are talking about.
Lol he still has shit takes on gaming. He seems to pander to gamer gate Era weirdo a lot, and redditors.
How is his take bad? He said everyone has a right to protest as long as it doesn't interfere with other people's lives 😂
@@just_a_turtle_chad so basically be ignored? why bother protesting then?
you care so much about order that you don't care about injustice.
Holy fucking shit, I sat through two hours of this and Asmon only said three different things despite spending a ton of time talking. That was like listening to a dialogue tree loop back on itself.
Man, this was brutal. You're right, Asmon just said the same stuff over and over and over and Hasan patiently tried various arguments on him but literally none of it penetrated.
He is incredibly unknowledgeable on most issues. He only appears wise and reasonable to teenagers with no life experience, under educated libertarian mouth breathers
I'm sure you're used to that as a Hasan Viewer
@@Dappers6110 literally what i thought
@@jack-sf5bf So funny seeing the anti hasan dweebs seething in this comment section 😂
U mad?
Mald harder 🤣
bro said private property as if it wasnt a public university
Asmonazi
I wonder why people can't enter US so easily. I thought US was a free country open to everyone... Sadge your logic doesn't work
You can still trespass on public property. You're asked to leave by the organization controlling that public property then you are trespassing and can be arrested or fined. That's not to say I don't support the protesters but this idea that because it's a public university laws suddenly don't apply is ridiculous.
@@MikeTsBees HEY! You arrived at the point of the said Protest! Congrats!
Student encampment on the lawn space they funded asking university, they also funded via taxes and payment, to divest from killing children is bad
@@415riderss "nazi" lost all of its meaning. everyone will be calling anybody a nazi nowadays lol
History needs to be openly, and thoroughly learned by everyone. Ignorance is a blight on society. 😪
everyone studies history to learn how not to repeat it, excepts for zionists, they study it to repeat it
Texans have no right to talk about any freedoms in 2024, theyre all nazis until proven otherwise..../
The problem with that is that people exclude things they don't like and focus on the positive. One of the best examples would be people openly defend the founding fathers like the they were greatest men ever. While in reality, they were white supremacists and slave owners. But they were great and smart and.... Isn't there a line people with integrity draw? This is the problem with cognitive dissonance. Doesn't matter how much history we present, fucking dumbasses will still put these slave owners on a fucking pedestal, until we engage their emotional state of mind. People who identify with certain perspectives need to detach their identities from white supremacy, which many people aren't even aware that they believe in. You have to really help people feel safe in that their sense won't destruct if they were represented with another view. Sadly, most people just can't give up these. Being angry, calling them stupid just makes them more defensive and less likely to change. So, good luck changing people's minds!
the problem is who says what the true history is , there are thousands of cases where there are simplifications , and sometimes claims are so outlandish that people think you are making shit up , like how the Nazis believed that the Aryan race came from Atlantis , a city that situated somewhere between England and Portugal in the Atlantic Ocean, that was allegedly sunk after being struck by a divine thunderbolt. and no im not making this up lol
the number of conservatives who have been brainwashed into thinking Nazis were Leftist because they had 'socialist' in their name is scary, its not necessarily that they know so little about 1930's Germany that they don't understand how traditional and conservatives were, but the fact that they don't know but they're so opinionated on it
Centrist lord Asmongold coming in with the hard to listen takes.
The reason why you can't "just" change university is because, as Hasan said, many of them do the same actions but also it's too late for that. About 35k Palestinians have been killed and both the US state and private Universities have been supporting them and still are. This isn't something trivial like a company that is polluting a river, it's a humanitarian cause.
Why ruin other people's days for something happening very far away?
@@just_a_turtle_chad Why jail a murderer for killing someone in another town?
@@just_a_turtle_chad Why try to randomly ruin a person's day in a comment section? Take meds and be a better person
Holy fucking shit…. DO SOMETHING THEN
Mfers will vote for biden or trump then get mad that Biden or trump fund war.
PRESIDENTS HAVE BEEN FUNDING WARS SINCE THE CIVIL WAR
IF ANY OF YOU CARED YOU DO SOMTHING.
But you don’t. So you type your CZcams comments, and pretend like you made a difference.
Asmon thinks this works like cancel culture and everyone has to agree but it’s not about who’s right it’s about humanity
Damn, has anyone tried to cancel Bibi yet. Maybe if he gets banned from Twitter, he'll just go away.
Humanity is a subjective concept
“It’s about humanity” bro there’s 5 genocides wayyy worse than Palestine going on right now and you couldn’t name them. Stop lying 😭
I think that's something a lot of people are struggling with. They go around and say they recognize everyone is an individual human being, but don't act on it.
@@machiavelliq8758No. This is something a sociopath would say. Killing massive amounts of innocent civilians is always objectively inhumane.
"Um they sprayed fire extinguisher!!" Sir, you live in a country where the 2nd amendment exists.
Are fire extinguishers even harmful to people?
@@YeraBlizzadHarryYes. They are. The use of a fire extinguisher is to snuff out oxygen, which is what kills fire. If it’s sprayed at your face Im sure you can imagine what that does if it kills oxygen.
@@nemmie7076 ahh didn’t think of it that way, thank you
@@nemmie7076 I would actually recommend how FE works, but yes- to eliminate access to O2, in general
To be fair to the police, what could they have done. Stood back? Not attacked a peaceful protest? They had no choice
Libertarians are insufferable. "Properties more precious than human life guys"
Ok, 5 refugees from Gaza show up at your door and make their way inside and now live in your house. Is their life worth more than your property now?
My property is more precious than your life.
And I guarantee your property is more precious to you, than my life.
The fuck it is. What a projection WOW@@diegeticfridge9167
@@diegeticfridge9167 No wonder your country keeps invading MENA regions in name of bringing democracy and strangely everytime it just stumbles in vast oil-field reserves.
@@diegeticfridge9167 You're simply wrong. No amount of my private property would make me willing to forfeit your life, or any other human beings life. The life of a single human being is worth millions of times more than all the property of the richest man on earth.
Walked him through it like a dog, but the dog is too stupid.
smdh 😮💨
Listening to him is like edging where you almost get there, but never arrive
So that's why I watch his shitty takes all the time. Thanks for clearing that up for me.
Any Gooners?
He's got the typical reactionary issue of identifying problems but completely losing the plot when it comes to Solutions
he's like a child who has always had everything at his convenience. his convenience is the holiest thing to him
I find it ironic that asmon says that a mob shouldn't be allowed to force someone to do something, but is on board with the gamergate-esque movement to try and force sony to "uncensor" stellar blade
Do you not understand the difference between the free market and the fucking government?
I'm going to give you a few minutes to try to explain how those two are correlated in any way at all.
@@diegeticfridge9167 I care more about human life than a pair video game tits
@@diegeticfridge9167 I know all about the fucking government, your mother just appointed me Inspector General of the Federal Motherfucking Department
Asmon is totally fine with mobs (police) forcing someone to do something as long as it's "the law".
I like how Asmongold is like yeah you're right, and then goes on to say a totally opposite thing.
Indeed. He'd one moment say it's your right to protest and then seconds later say something along the lines of "Protesting is only okay if no one has a problem with it."
Asmon, are you saying if a nation has a true immoral law that everyone should follow it? So, if you lived in Nazi Germany, you would not only be a Nazi but would be happy to turn in Jews because it’s the law. Asmon is saying that all laws should be followed no matter what even if the laws are insanely immoral.
I think this is fine if you're just some normal dude with no analytical framework to understand the world. For someone who sits in front of thousands of people per day and influences them with his opinions, it's pretty irresponsible for him to weigh in on heavy subjects like this without having any analytical framework himself, reinforcing the uncritical worldview prescribed by the state.
living in nazi germany makes you a nazi ? wait what?
Its like saying because one party holds both chambers + POTUS makes every american a suporter of that party...
Yes that is exactly what he's saying he just doesn't realise it. He is astonishingly stupid.
But they aren't immoral. You didn't listen to university and was a hindrance for them, so there you go, consequences
YES you follow the fucking law till it change. or get arrested and pay the consequences.... you should go try and breaking unfair and immoral laws in china and see what happen.
"I agree with you... but have you considered rich people and corporations should be able to do whatever they want and use taxpayer funded police as an army to enforce it" is basically the whole argument he *continually* makes about 5000 times
It sounds bad and it is but that is true. The law has to be upheld to a certain degree if not then we would be cavemen
@@ssjkillluah5935 it's not really - the rich shouldn't be able to sic the government dogs on people who are disrupting them peacefully. This isn't "upholding law" this is enforcing policy and defending corporate profits using taxpayer funded militarized institutions to silence and assault peaceful protestors
@@ssjkillluah5935 Good people break bad laws. I don't think anyone in their right mind is against laws like murder being illegal. Most people agree that we should have those types of laws, just not the ones that greatly decrease our quality of life.
@@mandy9743 and in this situation, which laws in particular decrease our quality of life?
@@ssjkillluah5935 Which is exactly why the University administration and police force violating the First Amendment is indefensible
I don't get it with these centrist white gamer bros who say they're apolitical and then have opinions about politics
EXACTLY
Well, Asmon likes to have hot takes on things that seem obvious to him. If he has to actually learn about a topic, it's "too political" or "I don't follow politics". But if he can spam a kneejerk, doltish take on something that gets reactions from fellow morons, he will always hammer at the controller button.
@@spockmandia He only ever takes evidence into account if it's spoon fed to him, either by an individual (like hasan) or his audience (his subreddit).
they only say they're apolitical (which is actually a political stance, an a priori rejection of the reality of our material conditions, typically used by fascists to make fascism seem more palatable, as in 'hey, we dont get into this unproductive right/left dichotomy, we're something different and better) because theyre fucking clueless about politics. pretty much all of them couldnt even tell you what fucking congressional district they're in. they only talk about this shit for clout and views, which is actually even more gross than if they just didn't give a fuck or open their idiot mouths about it.
They have the privilege to not rly care. And I can't rly blame him, he's lived a fairly charmed life. He's still young, so if he keeps his mind open and talks to a real humans about real shit regularly, I don't think he's gonna get too irredeemably far down the libertarian pipeline. He pretty deep in though 😬
Can you imagine what Asmon thinks about the homeless people who create homeless camps with tents? I honestly, don’t want to hear it.
Don't give him any ideas. His next stream will be him reacting to homeless people getting their head caved in with hammers in while simply trying to sleep and him going "haha FAFO"
He has been a scumbag for a long time. He thinks protesters should be put down like animals.
@@sam00ralmfao
I'm pretty sure he'd be happy about a homeless people shelter... Watch him, maybe?
guess what. cops break these camps too cause its illegal..... yall just advocating for chaos. but im not surprised its hasan after all lol
Hasan's patience is infinite.
TLDR: Asmon believes that principle comes above anything else. He believes that consequentialism and materialist reasoning is entirely ridiculous in every case and we must do things because they are nebulously righteous and dutiful. There is no further critical thinking. Seriously. Instead of examining the real, physical reality around us and realizing that justice is more complicated than doing what's "right" in the short term and hoping for the best in the long term, he chooses to close his eyes and pretend that the law must never be broken and people must never be made uncomfortable.
Some people do deserve to be robbed of their autonomy and others don't. If you are aiding murderers, YES even if brown people are being murdered, then you do not deserve to have a say in your own self-determination. Life is more complicated than saying "Everyone deserves the right to self-determination :)" This is something Asmon does not and seemingly will never comprehend
I don't think Asmon is making a deontological point here, and I don't think Hasan is, either. Asmon directly claimed a consequentialist point when it comes to the reasons the police attended and became violent with the protestors. His core postulation is that the final buck stops with the land owner, even if the reasons are arbitrary.
I don't even know what a deontological point would look like, here, because ultimately he thinks people have a right to protest only in a way that isn't disruptive.
I do have a deontoligical outlook on protest, which is that protest "Should always be undertaken if the cause is ethically sound," regardless of the material reality.
Some people deserve to have the autority taken ? Who decides who deserves that, you? You can be a criminal or a rapist, or a thief
@@iosifsaviuc131 The government already decides that for you. Also you said criminal three times.
This is the quintessential conservative / reactionary thought process. A lack of ability or desire to engage with difficult topics, alternatively a straight up refusal to engage out of pettiness or the feeling of being annoyed by an issue being talked about a lot. This is why people become right wing on topics they don't see a reason for or feel are over discussed
@@ApathyParabellumwhat you are describing is not a consequentialist position. Perfect example of someone using words without understanding them, same as all the people in these comments talking about private property
Students: *Breaks couple of windows to get into Hamilton Hall*
Police: *Smash lots of windows, doors and property damage*
Asmon: You know the students were wrong for damaging property but the police were right to damage all the property because the university have every right to destroy their own property
Me:
difference is the cops and the city repay what they break!!! you think the student do that ?
@@phatal4573 the students pay enough to the school out of their own pocket as is, lmao. a window TRULY is not a big expense for the University and I can promise you that the school does not care about a window broken. They just needed an excuse to physically apprehend the students and silence them.
@@Booeyy what a stupid way of thinking...they have money so we can break their stuff... do you listen to yourself? you have brain damage at this point lol
I spent 6 years getting two degrees from UCLA and theres no way the encampment was in of itself blocking access to classes for anyone, it's not in the main thoroughfare and it's not near most of the buildings where classes are held.
Also blowing a fire extinguisher at a cop in riot gear isn't gonna fucking hurt you, it'll be bad for your respiration and eyes I imagine, but outside the aerosolized dust is going to be significantly less of an issue, though it could be dangerous to a cop without basic protective gear. But even then it absolutely does not merit or justify a potentially lethal response from the cops, regardless of context. Not that the context does anything to help the cops or counter protestors here.
Anyways, I'm glad Hasan and Asmon are talking and hopefully this ends with Asmon and maybe some of his audience having a better understanding if not also a change of heart/perspective
Shame we have literally hours of video proves that's exactly the case.
Saying that spraying a cop with a fire extinguisher is ok as like that s not an act of violence is wild. And you want people to change their attitude when you say that lmao
"Anyways, I'm glad Hasan and Asmon are talking and hopefully this ends with Asmon and maybe some of his audience having a better understanding if not also a change of heart/perspective"
I can tell you with my full chest that Asmongold and his audience won't change shit. Why not? Why change anything when you can say you learned something from the convo and go back on the fuck Hasan, cry baby train and milk the idiots on it? Not hard to understand.
@@iosifsaviuc131touch grass, your reading comprehension is failing
@@adampike3834 Can you be more specific?
The level of “both sidesing” this guy does for literally every opinion he holds is mind numbing. Hasan killed it tho
Dude's cheeks are bruised from back and forthing that middle rail.
The “both siding” you’re talking about is a display of not succumbing to a tribal mentality and/or dogmatically following causes without being critical of positions that feel wrong.
The easiest fast track to extremism is ignorance to alternative stances and opinions. If you deny yourself the opportunity of critical thought you open yourself up to losing autonomy of thought.
@@steamedsand very familiar with the dichotomy of ideas, he on the other hand is quite literally fence sitting on every possible opinion. at some point youre not adding anything to the conversation if your only going to remain 100% neutral.
@@steamedsandthe positions he’s being critical of are ridiculous and prove he doesn’t know his history
@@clericsupportI know history. America is good and you are evil
Its really crazy, having grown up in the WoW community and turning out to be a hardcore leftist. Literally have gone from seeing Heelsvsbabyface and Asmongold have genuinely good takes about a crooked greed in gaming to whining about some of the most 0th world problem shit, i live in an unfinished basement but my biggest problem is not enough clevage in video games type vibes. I genuinely care more about hearing my girlfriends issues throughout her day no matter how mundane or simple, it's on another level when compared to them being absolute fucking idiots about politics or even identity politics for that matter. These dudes were a staple in my Saturday mornings and are just a stark reminder that nothing good lasts.
Because Asmon is a shut-in loser who thinks about himself first.
Being a lefty means that you care and think about others and common good- he, if fact, does not.
XQC is just dumber version of Asmongold, for comparison- same "Me Me Me", same "look at my money bro, I cant be a loser".
As someone who follows both streamers, I hope this takes Asmongold out of the right-wing streak he's been on lately. It's exactly as Hasan said, out of 10 takes, 6 are what you'd expect, which is basically centrist liberal stuff, 2 are super dumb and 2 are super-based but suddenly the dumb ones have increased and the based ones have disappeared. It's painful to watch an overall reasonable person go down this pipeline, and it shows just how important it is to engage with these centrist types in good faith.
rightwing... LOL! No buddy, it's not right wing be to against criminal actions. You folks make the left look insane.
@SpaceBird24 more the criminal actions of taking over the building, taking hostages, committing violence, preventing freedom of movement. But hey! I suppose you folks have never been ones for having an honest thought.
Asmond is more like 95 shithouse takes and 5 decent ones aka "normal nazi takes" why Hasan and Mike from PA and Denims give him a second of screen time just wastes all our time.....
This comment is objectively too vague. Do you talk vaguely so you can change the angle of what you're saying whenever you want?
Completely agreed. I still like Asmon despite having some really bad takes recently. Maybe I'm too charitable but I think he's openminded and could definitely change his mind regarding this topic.
He seemed to be willing to listen to what Hasan had to say which he'd not be doing if he was a malicious person.
Also I think a lot of chatters fail to consider that changing your mind about something often can take some time despite having all the evidence, so I think Hasan did great showing patience and being calm
Asmond literally just be preaching Thomas Hobbs Leviathan “we need law and order else there’ll be chaos” 😂
And? Thats a true statement
As a good example of police using "stop resisting" as an excuse and a tack-on charge, we had a famous case in Australia (better than US police, but they definitely try a lot of US tactics down here).
We had a NRL player get a bit too drunk on Australia day and pass out under a tree after causing a bit of a scene out on the town, police find him passed out drunk under a tree and handcuff him while he's literally asleep, and when while STILL ASLEEP WITH HIS EYES CLOSED AND HANDCUFFED he does a little reflexive kick to shoo them away as they try to grab him.
All 5 police officers start yelling stop resisting, which causes him to wake up and be startled, at which point he starts to panic because he's literally drunk and just been woken up already in handcuffs, he swears a little and is disorientated so the police while he's handcuffed just start pepper spraying him for "resisting' and then tased him because the drunk man who's been awake for about 1 minute now is a bit confused after being pepper sprayed and handcuffed.
Unfortunately for them NRL players here are pretty well paid so he hired one of the most famous big time lawyers in the country and took them to town, had all of the "assaulting police officer" and resisting arrests charges dropped and all of the bodycamera footage that the police attempted to argue wasn't relevant to the court case (and almost didn't make it to trial because of that) so you can go watch the incident in full for yourself if you'd like.
No police were fired though and Curtis Scott was awarded like 100k AUD for being tortured for the crime of being drunk.
And once again Imagine how that would have went if it wasn't a famous sportsman or rich person, or worse, with the US police.
Everytime I learn something new about Texas I'm learning a new way in which Texans have less freedom than me, despite it being known for freedom
I live in New Hampshire. The “live free or die” state. we have a massive police domestic terrorism epidemic here.
Everything is digusting, but everything is justifable. Asmon stands for nothing. 2 hours of repeated dialog proves he is the ultimate centerists and he is proud of that
whats wrong with that? why do you think everyone should have the same political affiliation as you?
I stand for America
Out here in Indiana, people can run a red light in front of a cop and not get pulled over. But, they had more than enough police show up to IU over a single tent, where no violence was occurring until the police showed up.
If you do not support these protests, you wouldn't have supported the civil rights movement, no matter how hard you try to pretend you would have
Martin Luther King:
I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Ne gro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom".
Just replace Black with Palestinian and it becomes the same thing.
And watch Second thought's "The Most dangerous thing in the western hemisphere"
Oh my god. The way he talks about a grocery store as if it exists in a Vacuum. “Grocery stores are just a natural occurrence and the terms of sale are universal values.”
The argument that the protest would be okay if the University was okay with it is crazy. When is the institution you're protesting against ever gonna be like "yeah sure this cool. we support your right to peaceful protest 😊"?? A protest that can be easily controlled or ignored by your opposition is ineffective.
Asmond was literally giddy when they shot those less than lethal rounds directly at them at a very close range. He was beaming with excitement while violence was happening.
I was too, it was hilarious
The first amendment gives people the right to do peaceful assembly, which this students are doing in public property. The cops arresting them is infringing on their rights (which is what the 2nd amendment is supposed to prevent, but let's not go there). So, since the cops are infringing on people's rights, how come Asmongold does not have a problem with that breaking of the law? He says he's for "the law" yet the cops are the ones being unlawful here. Sad Hasan didn't catch this.
And don't get me started on unjust laws, because Asmongold would defend slavery, child labor, not being able to marry gay people, etc, etc, since it was "the law" at that time.
As for Asmondgold's "voting solves this" tell that to the women who had to protest to even get their right to vote. And for this particular issue, neither of the two likely candidates to win the presidency are against funding the war machine.
The police say stop resisting while they bend your arms backwards in ways your limbs don’t move without a degree of resistance
I watched his reaction live, and he seemed gleeful at the cops rushing in. (found it so distasteful I turned it off) I'm glad you've spoken to him, but it's pretty clear nothing is changing this guy's mind. Perhaps only Norman Finkelstein would have a chance at that, but even then I doubt it.
Yeah he really was looking at the protesters like they were some kind of NPC mobs to be taken down. If anything, maybe, just maybe, Hasan convinced him that they were real life people and that shit hurt and was unnecessary.
Asmon is a right wing nazi
he absolutely was gleeful. literally shouted WELP THEY FUCKED AROUND AND FOUND OUT while laughing at open police brutality. forever fuck this guy. i love Hasan but his weird obsession with trying to soften the image of friends of his that have objectively evil takes like Asmon and Ethan is something i will never understand.
Asmon’s entire view here is that property owners and even public universities should be allowed to do whatever they want. He can’t think of a single instance in which that view could create serious problems. In his view, property owners can kidnap, torture, and rape as long as it’s in their own property. He also thinks that property owners and universities should not be held accountable because it’s their property. This insane Libertarian type view is insane.
They treat their 20 square foot propert like theyre a pre-medieval lord protecting his domain from another lord or tribe or some shit
well I definitely don't believe he thinks they should be out her raping and torturing people but ok
are you just out here making bold face lies or do you have a vid/vod of him saying these things?
also I've heard him say plenty times that the university was responsible for letting it go on that long.
Holy shit what are you even smoking to make such a ridiculous claim.
you are bending his arguments to make him look silly, can you be a bit less aggressive and not do the same thing we criticize in Ben Shapiro...
Well if you put words into people's mouths so easily. I will do the same so that you can have the taste of your own medicine.
By Hasan's logic you can do whatever you want, as long as you think it's a good cause. You can sacrifice others if the cause is good in your own personal opinion. You can kill a future killer who hasn't killed anyone yet if you think it will end the life of a potential killer. Hasan is literally Light Yagami. It's too much bias. Sacrificing others for other's sake... Just like how Yagami was saving other people by killing others
His argument is literally just giving grace and legitimacy to everyone except the protestors. That’s very argumentative.
"would this shock you to find out" lmao
His chat while he was watching the cops infiltrate the encampment was shocking.
Self reflection is in order when you are speaking to the hearts of others that advocate and justify such cop violence.
Did Asmon have this call on stream? I feel as though the damage has already been done.
Texans are all nazis, we can make this call now based off asmon
No, I believe he was in bed during this call and called on Discord from his phone.
@@Booeyy that is incredibly disheartening. He said "it was disheartening seeing people in my chat celebrating when cops would forcefully remove people..." but... he was instigating it.
@@domoniquecarbone9517 That liar didn't find it "disheartening". He's just saying that in retroperspective because he knows he fucked up. He laughed at it and didn't even ban ppl in his chat spamming "fire in the hole" when the police shot directly at students.
I like how you can tell they respect each other, even if they don't necessarily agree on everything and come from incredibly different backgrounds.
I learned today that asmongold understands absolutely nothing about the world. Poor fella.
A house or a Walmart is no where near the same concept as a public university campus.
Oh my lord I'm only 24 mins in and I'm in awe of Hasan's patience in this conversation. I can't believe there are 2 more hours of this. I'm loving it so far. I also think this highlights that Asmongold isn't the monster people have been saying he is. IDK, maybe I'm being naive, but I see him as a teachable guy with a LOT to learn about the world and self-centeredness to overcome, but also with some decent instincts and characteristics a leftist should have. I've been wanting this teaching moment to happen for a long time.
Bro thinks he can teach 50 year old with an alredy made Up mind lol
@@unai49999 anyone can be taught as long as they show a willingness to listen / learn. Asmond does not seem as if his opinions are set in stone
Exactly, you can be completely against what Asmongold is saying, while still defending him for showing willingness to listen and learn as he seemed genuinely interested in Hasan's perspective
Why is Asmin such a cop loving law & order guy? It’s so disgraceful. He must have some kind of police fetish because the level of pro police bias is so crazy.
Default AI package built into NPCs from Texas.
@@dissident1337 💯
Gotta get that Boston Tea Party downloadable expansion pack (not available in Russia or Florida)
Fucking sucks ass how Hasan platforms him and the other right wingers who hate leftists like xqc and moistcritical.
Texas.
I hope people here commenting listen to what Hasan said and don't s*it on Asmongold. Props to Hasan for actually being level headed about this unlike some comments I've seen on Twitter.
I will absolutely shit on Asmongold. He has been broadcasting reactionary views for a long time. He threatened to send the police after Denims for a joke.
Let’s be real, Hasan was only level headed because this is his boy 😂 any other person he would of heavily shit on them
its only because they are friends. hasan is approaching this the way he approached ethan klein. ethan said some of the most unhinged things that had they been said by anyone else, hasan would go ham on them, but it was a friend who said it, so had to be level headed about it. same thing is happening with asmon.
asmon is dumb. this is not the time to farm views, he should crawl under his desk and hug that dead rat that's been sitting there for ages.
So true, why would people shit on someone for being so sheltered they can’t conceive of a reason to protest in public??? He’s an adult, it’s called criticism
Too late for that
Asmon proving once again he doesn't know wtf he's talking about
Also please tell Asmongold that the citizens of California own the UC campuses as we pay for them - they are not “private property” unlike say Stanford…
The counter protestors pay too bud
Asmongold (whoever he is): "I haven't heard of that before!"
Yeah, no shit.
5 minutes later: forgets it
how can someone so willfully uninformed even pretend to have an opinion deemed worthy of being heard.
this is what i don't understand, like just know your place.
Asmon is one of those smoothbrains who's "just asking questions" but won't ever just commit to a stance because he doesn't have one. That tends to happen when you're talking out ya neck.
It’s either that or just flat out say that he doesn’t think public protest should be legal. Which he *basically* does several times in this. Dude is completely fucking braindead
You can tell he just learned the word autonomy
He seems to be under the impression that laws are the be all end all of the discussion and are the greatest indicator of what is right and good. (Specifically it seems to be laws about property I think?) does he know there were laws against escaping slavery in the past? 😱 Should those laws hold more weight in good than someone protesting? Ik that’s a very hyperbolic comparison but the very simple message is LAWS ARENT ALWAYS CORRECT. You should be more critical of the suppression of information, rights and freedoms and think for yourself before unconditionally supporting the government and its laws
I dont think he is saying since it is law, it is just. He explains multiple times why these specific laws are important, talking about without it being enforced the negative consequences would be disastrous. Take the law that protects people to counter protest. Of course that is legal. If it wasnt, well would you be ok if a protest telling people abortion should be illegal happened, and you arent allowed to voice your opinion and counter protest? Or whichever you stand on, idk your stance.
Or the law on handling protests in general. Yes, without them it easily goes into riots and chaos. Hasan goes with the ends justifies the means mentality and even admits if it escalated higher he would be ok with it. Yes, so basically escalating to damaging property and hurting people (or maybe cops since we know he hates cops.) Sorry but we do need some laws in place for this kind of thing. Hell, Hasan himself states a law saying it is illegal to bring mace to a protest, or to shoot people in the face with rubber bullets. Yes, these are good laws. I dont think either of them are saying "it is law, so it is good." They explain why these laws are important for society, which is fair. Using a hyperbolic example that you admit is somewhat a logical fallacy in this circumstance I feel. Just how I see it
I don't know why Asmon consistantly takes the stance of being contrarian for the sake of being contrarian. Like, I feel like his chat could link him any video and he would agree with whatever is being talked about in said video, or disagree depending on whatever stance the commentator is taking.
Why is it that some people think someone is being contrarian when they have a perspective or opinion they disagree with? It is perfectly fine to have a different perspective or opinion on various topics. He also admits Hasan knows more about this kind of thing, because he does, and asks questions to learn more while also giving his opinion. Seems fair, I think he is just assessing, learning and sharing his perspective.
I don't want to devalue anything Asmon is saying, and if he did take up this conversation with the intent to educate himself, then hell yeah.
The way he kept bringing up "Private Property" just made me feel off about wether or not he was actually digesting the information he was presented with.
@@JoshuaGuzz thats fair. the way he conducts himself makes him come off like a freakin soul less android sometimes. I feel that. But despite my issues with him, he isnt that narrow minded. he likely reminds him about private property because yes, there are legal rights to private property that if we conveniently dismiss for our own ideals, that is a dangerous mentality to have in order to justify literal crime.
just for clarity, I do believe that sometimes things need to get dirty to see actual change. but i also feel both hasan and asmond are very polar opposites. hasan is extreme and wants to go all out with this stuff, asmond wants to be safe and conversative. both have major draw backs, so it was a great conversation to listen to imo.
Listening to this is like banging your head against a wall. Asmond just keeps saying well you can't just break the law. What if the law is unjust?
Who gets to decide which law is unjust?
@@garenthal9638 for example if a law is racist or discrimination like jim Crow laws or Israel's laws inside of Gaza then it is unjust. If a law is morally wrong then it is unjust.
@@djgiga2 getting arrested for violently taking over a building is not unjust
@@garenthal9638 sending police to beat the shit out of people peacefully protesting genocide and our funding of it while at the same time letting Nazis protest freely is unjust. It's also unconstitutional.
I’m shocked he actually talked to Hasan about it. I know they were on friendly terms years ago and Asmon had respect for him but this is an act that displays some willingness to learn on asmons part and I fully expected him to just ignorantly dig in on it instead.
Hassan was on Asmon's podcast a couple of weeks ago. And they share a lot of the same friends.
They're friend, of course they're gonna talk it out. Blame the fans for making sh*t up
That's probably the only redeeming part of all this. Asmon respects Hasan enough to have a reasonably good faith conversation about it. It kind of ends there.
They did a podcast a couple of months ago. They are still friends and co-workers even with the disagreement
@@epictoe7179hasan’s fanbase has always been incredibly hostile to anyone on the left who doesn’t agree 100% with Hasan’s takes, it’s incredibly disturbing
I appreciate Asmon being willing to talk this out but its really frustrating hearing him repeatedly going back to autonomy, an organization's autonomy over there property is not the same as individuals and I kinda wish Hasan took more time to just try to break down that point. He started to but they kinda moved around between points and debating specific examples and I think just taking the time to talk through what it takes to make change. Or if Asmon really wants to think of it like individual autonomy, if a parent was supporting Israel and their kids setup a protest in the kitchen blocking anyone from using it, I think most people would think it was horrible for the parents to call in the cops to violently remove them from the home rather than have to reckon with what their kids are saying. These colleges aren't just a business this students visit, its their home oftentimes moreso than the people ordering them removed.
I'm really glad this conversation happened
"I agree that my tax money going to blow up babies overseas is reawwy bad, but demanding your school stop giving money to said baby boomers is just ridiculous."
"You have the right to protest, but only until we decide you're actually trespassing and need to get the fuck out and shut the fuck up."
This is the horse that just wont drink from the river, no matter how many times you try to lead him back.
This is also the horse that drowned by drinking and breathing simultaneously for an extended period of time. Even when you tried to stop it.
"they wanted them gone, they didn't leave, what's left but to remove them violently?" come on Asmon. Maybe they could've been f*cking adults, talk to them and reach an agreement like they did at other universities. Or at least try to. Don't just jump at the first chance to violently remove them.
Watching how Asmongold just forgets every 5 minutes that UCLA is public property, that it wasn't vandalized by the protesters, that it was peaceful protest etc whenever Hasan mentions it on repeat just made me want to end my world in Minecraft. I am now FERVENTLY CONVINCED that Asmongold is not a warrior, in fact he is a MAGE. The way he does his song and dance around the topic is like a mage dueling a warrior. (EDIT: it's a WoW meme: Asmon hates mages and calls them cowards, they run away all the time while a warrior has to chase them around in order to get a chance of fighting them at melee range, Asmon is a mage, small dick energy)
"Just vote"
Where did I hear this before? 🤔
He starts with its problematic when people go into and area and build an encampment and don’t let people in - exactly what Israel did- what a stooge
It doesn’t make sense for a university to remove student activists because activism is a part of university culture and because students are a necessary part of a functioning university.
How about just letting a guy walk to a building? Is it okay to compel protestors not to impede innocent bystanders who aren’t doing shit to anyone?
does it look like a functioning university to you?
You go to university to get an EDUCATION, not to protest. Next, these people will want us to cover their student loans because THEY decided to protest instead of worry about their own futures.
I used to be asmons greatest defender but his just nonchalant attitude is honestly disgusting. Dude literally said that he does not give a single fuck about the Palestinians plight and then want to act like thats a non partisan position. No asmon you are directly siding with the people conducting the genocide when you act like this.
Like here he is acting like he didn't laugh his ass off when the police were attacking the students. Just straight up lying. " i think its disgusting what the police did" yeah right dude, you were fucking climaxing as the students were being attacked by the police. If this man was alive during the civil rights era he would 10000% tell Rosa parks "well you fucked around and found out". His obsession with keeping order is making him so blind to reality that hes literally both siding Genocide. Seems like the letter from Birmingham jail was actually just a letter intended to be sent to asmongold himself.
Don't forget "lol... just vote."
This debate made me understand asmon on a deeper level i think. I learned that asmongold doesn't really know what he is talking about, his opinions are waveing from side to side, he just says something that could sound smart with confidence...
this was pointed out a lot during blm protests but it's very interesting how much mlk and civil rights have been white washed into this oh white people were being mean but mlk was such a nice guy everyone changed their minds. If you actually look into it you realize just how awful we were to the protests and just how much no matter how peaceful they were they were painted as the bad guys which is the case for every type of protest. Look even at occupy wallstreet which immediately got turned into wow a whole bunch of dummies that don't even know what they are protesting, here these dumb antisemitic students is the focus and not what they are protesting which is genocide which everyone agrees is bad. Even if you don't agree this is a genocide most democrats at least agree that what is happening is bad or being taken too far.
The labor movement as well. Literal wars have been fought so we have labor laws and a weekend but most people think it's because capitalists were benevolent after getting some mild pushback
@@e-naa4118 Which wars are you talking about?
Asmon is the perfect example of "letter of the law" not "spirit of the law". He doesn't grasp that you can choose to invoke laws ethically and compassionately and still be upholding them.
you break any law you pay the consequences. even if you think the law is unjust. every activist know prison is on the table when they break the law. pitching a tent there is against the law. blocking people is against the law. they know it and still do it. so dont cry when they get arrested the cops are just doing their job!
@@phatal4573 imagine being a pig defender in 2024 lmaoooo
@@lumare yah the fact you call police pigs tell me everything i need to know about you and how your parents failed to raise you properly! you are a stain on your family tree.
This conversation just went in circles:
Hasan: the students have a right to protest
Asmon: that's true, but the property though....
Asmongold was kiting Hasan like a mage kites a warrior in a duel (it's a wow reference, Asmon is famously a warrior main and hates mages, yet in this video he's proven that in fact he's a mage, just runs around in circles (you can't catch me wooooo))
So, by asmons reasoning, the boston lot sinking the tea was bad and unlawful? I, as a Brit, welcome him back into his majesty's protectorate.
I went to Cal - where the Free Speech movement and the counter-Vietnam protests began in the 1960s. I am absolutely appalled at the conduct of the UC chancellors and the treatment of UCLA students full stop. Asmongold is too out of touch with the intentions of the students and the reality of the violence students are protesting against - we can’t wear sparkly sunglasses and pretend that the cops are being totes fair towards “both sides” ffs.
Asmongold is a classic example of a Liberal, "I dont have any problem with protests but please do it in a corner and dont bother me". He doesnt know about the objective of a protest but at the same time he is the perfect example of what the objective of a protest really is, create discomfort or disruption in society and make people talk about it. Hilarious.
Sounds like Asmon needs to pick up a f*cking book 😂 . I suggest he start with the essay Civil Disobedience
This reminds me so much about the discussions Hasan had with Ethan. Only that Ethan was much more contentious, not willing to learn a thing or two and acted like a baby!
Hasan truly has the patience of a saint, even here..
But good on Asmon that he was willing to listen to Hasan and trying to understand different viewpoints. I still think, hes profoundly ignorant and uneducated on certain things and him celebrating the cops beating the shit out of these students was disgusting as hell. But i like the fact that he was willing to at least challenge himself and his beliefs
I saw his reddit page and holy shit they were calling for blood. Like it was not even funny, I was disgusted by the redditers of asmo’s page.
Radical centrist asmongold
Studies have shown centrists are the most uninformed voters lol. Asmon is proving this point.
Unlike Hasan, I would not have had the patience for the things this man says.
Asmon is so centrist it huuuurrtsssss! It reminds me of how I used to stand on various issues as a kid because of my ignorance at the time. And it also reminds me of people I know, the ones you simply can't get through and make them understand, even when they totally agree with you on everything. It goes on a circle forever of ''yeah, i totally see your point, but at the same time, i don't think this is the right approach''
I cant believe ive wasted 2 hours of him yapping about property this guy cannot be real
he is! and hes weirdly more successful than your whole family tree combined. says alot about people like us eh?!!!
@@phatal4573 he used to be very chill an actual decent dude. He started being like this after his mom passed away
I think this has probably been one of the most unproductive conversations hasan has ever had. Asmon couldn't even distinguish between public and private property and thinks the average student and just up and leave a college to go to another one whenever someone feels like.
MLK: Shut down highways
Asmon: MLK would never distrupt transport!
This video just made me realize, why I should never take Political advice from Asmongold.
I’m only 38 mins into this VOD and I can say Asmongold broke my brain 17 times already. His brain is as rotted as his room is.
Asmon is clearly a grifter, not even try to be funny or anything. Bro genuinely does not care what he says
He's not even a grifter. He's a sloppy, comfortable rich white dude who is so shielded from reality that he has the luxury of holding the beliefs he has. He can safely cling to "rule of law" and "if you don't like it, you can leave" positions because he has nothing at stake and can't imagine a world where people aren't afforded the same privileges he has.
"grifter" is waaayy too generous, he's just clueless lol. At least grifters would say "clean your room and then capitalism will work for you." Asmon has never cleaned anything aside from blowing into an N64 cartridge lol. All this man knows is games, and the only thing I ever want to hear from him is thoughts on games.
He's built an audience of basement dwellers, he has to keep vice signaling to keep them
Grifter is someone who changes his views for profit. Why would he go against the majority?
Exactly. Never EVER trust a Texan! They're all bad and lie about everything....
Why do people go to Asmon for information and opinions anyways?
That topic is 100% out of his lane and he is clearly out of his depth.
“The best way to protest is to vote” is maybe the most historically inaccurate liberal ass opinion I’ve ever heard 😭
Asmon says that like people who protest havent ever heard of voting before. Must be so easy to do nothing but sit in a dirty hole and play games, i guess it makes him think he knows things?
@@HandyDandy6 exactly. Most of the people who protest previously DID vote and most likely we either lied to by their candidate
The inability of Asmon to not both sides this conversation when he clearly knows less about the topic is so peak gamer-coded, like STFU and you might learn something
Asmongold, if you are sitting in a chair in a library, a public space, what right do you have to keep me from using that chair? Why can't I throw you out and use that chair myself? It's not your chair after all, right?