Batman Arkham Knight vs Marvel's Spider-Man 2 - How Smart Are Enemies? Enemy AI Comparison
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- Welcome back to my channel with another exciting video. This video is about Enemy AI comparison between Batman Arkham Knight (2015) and Marvel's Spider-Man 2 (2023).
This video covers the Artificial Intelligence of enemies in these games like how they react to certain situations, how they make strategies, how they respond in combat, etc., and compares these aspects.
📌 Timestamps:
00:00 - Intro
00:06 - Enemy AI Test #1
01:54 - Enemy AI Test #2
03:06 - Enemy AI Test #3
04:13 - Enemy AI Test #4
05:45 - Enemy AI Test #5
06:49 - Enemy AI Test #6
08:04 - Enemy AI Test #7
08:49 - Enemy AI Test #8
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I'm always amazed at how good Arkham Knight still looks to this day, such a well made game, attention to details and graphics alone, could've easily believe it came out in the recent years and not 2015
If someone told me this game came out this year, i wouldn't doubt it
Of course I would believe arkham Knight was made in 2015 if someone told me and I didn't know because 2014-2016 games where peak gaming design
If you remove the rain it would look ass rain saves a lot of game
@@ahem7 no
@@loliconenjoyer9770 yes
The fact were comparing a game that came out almost a decade ago to the newest gen console game says how hard Rocksteady went when making this game. The Arkham series will go down in gaming history as the best hero game and videos like this prove it imo.
Facts
seriously?
@@SubconsciousDeviant problem?
@@JustSaiyanDude because the AI in the game centered around the guy who uses fear to his advantage and mostly uses stealth has better stealth AI then the guy who most people are probably going to go guns blazing in means one game is the best superhero game?
Yes
@@SubconsciousDeviant I'm genuinely trying to understand your comment but it feels like I'm gonna have a stroke trying to comprehend but from what I'm getting is
Yes the AI makes or breaks a hero game. Spiderman does have stealth sections but even if you take aside the fear premise, Arkham does it FAR better in terms of AI learning your patterns, changing attacks and can track you if your stand idol for too long. Spiderman AI is just a punching bag that walks. You can web up a guy right next to his partner and bash his head in yet still be hidden. At no point does the AI feel like they're adapting to you, they just get better toys.
Simply put, the fact Arkham enemies will actually adapt over time, dependent on how you play proves that there are more intelligent in my opinion
We keep meeting all over the internet, I can see why we’re both connected to channel 6
Shadow of War
@@DgardsGamingthat is different
Its the way arkham games are designed for the stealth sections but with the insomniac spider man games those games aren't designed around that kind of idea plus what the hell kind of "adaptation" could the insomniac spider man games enemies do? spider man could literally bend them into meat pretzels without even needing to try arkham enemies however have a advantage batman doesn't have super powers only gadgets making it easier for the game devs to program the arkham enemies to be able to realistically adapt to batmans actions that kind of thing just isn't possible for spider man due to his super powers like the man can literally stick to the ceiling so the same kind of adaptation that the arkham enemies have wouldn't work hence why the insomniac spider man games enemies all are essentially braindead
@@georgiepig5726They should still be able to shoot spidey off a wall though right?
One thing I love about Batman Arkham enemies is simply how the more people you take out, the more scared they become. When you get the enemy condition to "Terrified", it's hard to sneak up behind them because instead of searching slowly, they look back and forth constantly out of fear.
Yeah I kinda disappointed that the newer games don't introduce such realistic mechanics to enemies. I think game mechanics in general are just getting downgraded with massive focus on graphics. I hope I'm wrong
And they shoot randomly
Spider mans enemy AI doesn't come close to this behavior
On the other hand, a terrified enemy doesn’t necessarily NEED to be snuck up on. If you drop down in front of a calm enemy, they’ll immediately shout to their allies and attack, but if you drop down in front of a terrified enemy they’ll flinch and reel back in fear, giving you a few seconds to attack.
Right Spiderman has no escalation
My favorite thing to do in predator sections is to torment the last guy. Activating the machines scattered around the environment and watching the last man freakout never gets dull
Dude arkham enemies were always a fun challenge especially militia and tiger security because they learn your tactics and start fighting against you.
Especially towards the end of the game when they start noticing you on gargoyles out of nowhere
Whereas in Spider-Mid 2, they’re a bunch of imbeciles
I'd say it was better in city though. Enemies in knight are a bit slow.
they are trained by jason todd so it make sense though, while kraven never really met spider man before.
@@supremegroden3021 It’s debatable. In City, they generally have an easier time seeing Batman, but in Knight they added more tactics for the ai to use. They change patterns and start checking for possible ambushes based on the takedowns you’ve used in the encounter. I think that’s pretty cool.
One of my favorite details in Arkham Night is definitely involving when you have one last person remaining. You can throw a batarang or set something off behind them, and they'll just start firing wildly behind them
Or if someone has a tracker and u stand behind them they'll freak out, I love AK's detail
@@GBkites Wait, I did not know this.
@GBkites-ef7ht I loved doing that too just standing menacingly behind them in detective mode and they slowly realize where you are and panic and you can see their heart rate climb as they realize it xD
@@nightwingrising5863 I'm so happy rocksteady put so much care into the series, easily best superhero game series imo
@@GBkites YES disabling their weapons and standing behind them is the funniest sh*t lol
Enemies in batman are just good ppl, they help their comrades and never give up on em. Wholesome
It gives them a sense of character. Even though they are random mooks they have their own lives and relationships.
@@hazelcrisp yea makes sense, batman is very advanced if we see it in details, the enemy's fearful movements, their dialogues. Great game could be used as a benchmark
They were still murdering innocent people and ilegally ocuppying a whole city because of a handsome paycheck
@@TheBatman39 ik ik it's a joke, they good comrades not ppl
Ah yes good people...
Murderers, thieves, rappists, cannibals. But good people...
For the 6:19 test, a few times I’ve had the hunters say something like “Last one left? good, I hunt better alone” or something like that
Also, I think in the first two games, some of the enemies that were less heartless than the hunters would say in a fearful voice "Am I the only one left?" and things like that
My favorite feature with enemies in Arkham Knight is that if you keep pestering them with remote batarangs they’ll react, telling you “stop it” and “why are you doing this to us”
Rocksteady put so much care into how the thugs and militia behaved and adapted to Batman’s tomfoolery
One of my most favourite parts of Arkham Knight's AI is that the people feel like real people, they get terrified, strategies and make plans on the go. Some of them can even be relatable.
What I like about Arkham Knight is when you suddenly appear infront of the enemy, they get startled for a sec, and you can perform stealth takedown while they're startled.
Funnily enough, this saved my life earlier in Arkham Asylum. I was playing on Hard Difficulty and during a stealth section I dropped in front of someone but was able to use that fraction of a second to stealth takedown them before they could shout for help 😂
i believe if you drop in front of them while their condition doesn’t read “terrified” then they don’t get startled, instead yelling to their allies for help
@@punkdoggo211 bro frfr i was playing asylum recently and this saved me
Another comparison is during combat. In AK, enemies will hold Batman in place to allow their comrades to attack him, while this is not present in SM2.
@@-diabolical- well that's true but in Spiderman Edge of Time, enemies can hold him in place. depends on the developers hahah
@@-diabolical- That is true but there are brute characters in the games that can block Spidey's punches and he must use his webs to stun them before attacking.
because they literslly cant hold him in place
How the hell will any of those thugs hold spiderman in place?
@@sandro-of9fq I mean game logic is weird. Brutes shouldn't be able to block Spidey. Doc ock should be out cold in a single blow. Sable too.
MGSV and Batman Arkham Knight has better AI interactions than a lot of games still coming out
It’s a shame MGSV was never completed…I can only imagine how much more would’ve been implemented.
@@Snake-pz6qj I get what you mean but Kojima said it was complete and looking at the cut content I’m glad it ended the way it did
Especially for people who have played all the Arkham games before Knight, the enemies in Knight felt much smarter and more dangerous than in previous games, because they had different tactics they could use to adapt to Batman's moves and tools, such as suits that are invisible to Detective Vision, thermobaric charges for permanently disabling ground vents and turrets that constantly watch certain sections, making them inaccesible.
Nah man asylum on hard is impossible on multiple stealth sections. The opening stealth area for the botanical gardens is low key really hard if you dont time everything right.
Also unironically asylum has the best stealth ai in the entire series because it's really hard to fool them and one mistake and you're a goner on hard. Like you can't survive getting spotted once.
And it’s reliable since Jason Todd aka Arkham Knight, knew Batman tactics and teached them to the militia
@@Elephantsaresupreme bro what? I have beaten asylum on hard on ny first playthrough
@@magoomjey2287...... You have my respect, is all I can say
Arkham knight is timeless and unbeatable
It really is a fuckin masterpiece, finally played it a few years after it came out and the numerous complaints about the tank sections were on my mind initially but then I completely forgot that I wasn't supposed to like it and actually ended up really enjoying it. It's probably the only other Arkham game I have no issues with at all (with asylum it's just the final boss, with origins it's the story, and city is just perfect imo)
I agree, I've been playing it pretty much since launch and there are still details I've only just found, truly the best superhero game out there, rocksteady killed it
Uh no. The Batmobile is absolutely an intrusive mechanic the devs shoved into 90% of the game
@@Mister_Domm um akshually the batmobile is not that fucking bad
@@bandawin18 Intrusive doesn’t mean bad. I never said that the Batmobile was a bad thing. Just that it was intrusive and that the devs should’ve toned down the amount of times you have to use it. Like it’s not bad to control and I like how you can transform from a car to a tank. But it lacks depth compared to the typical Batman combat.
Another important detail in Batman Arkham, the fear of enemies messes with him , for example: when the enemy is walking backwards and he bumps into his friend, he gets scared, and this also serves the environment.
Also when there’s one enemy left he’ll constantly turn around and shines backwards being paranoid the whole time.
not to mention the infamous “it says he’s… right behind me?”
You'd think having a faction of hunter enemies who all use big machetes would let them cut their friends out of webs. But nooo. Just stand there and watch your buddy wiggle around in the webs for a while then act like nothing ever happened.
I love in Arkham that a lot of these small details actually have some gameplay relevance. The whole enemies getting scared thing is neat and adds to the narrative of Batman being this terrifying unhuman presence, but it also adds something you can do in Gameplay. If an enemy is terrified, you can drop down and they will actually stagger back and react before shooting you. If they are only calm or nervous they will shoot much quicker.
Arkham thugs adapt, Spider-man thugs always act the same.
Idk bout spider man 2 but when playing the miles morales stealth challenges it felt like the better score you wanted the less you were supposed to interact with stealth and take downs all you had to do was find the most efficient way to pres triangle or y on the guys without being noticed.
Meanwhile batman only gets better the more u try to utilize items and planning in ur approach making you feel bad ass without just zipping around pressing 1 button
I guess you could say that issue is gone in Spider-Man 2, since stealth is literally non existent.
To be fair batman is more about stealth he has trained most life in various area of combat while spiderman relies on his unique abilities
@@mht2315😂😂😂
Yeah, the first Spider-Man game stealth challenges were just about speed, so I couldn't really do the takedowns I wanted and had to just zip from enemy to enemy. I like stealth things
@@mht2315What do you mean? There's lots of stealth. The hunter bases for example are big stealth portions
In Spider-man 2 I was able to clear out an entire room from a single web line because a new enemy would be sent one at a time to investigate the last.
Not going to lie but stealth in Spider-man sucks
@@hazelcrisp wrong
@@zhavieradnan1956 its honestly been downgraded from the first game, only cool thing they added was the weblines
@@hazelcrisp I'm right there with you. The game is fun, but they made everything way too easy. I prefer the first one. The variety of gadgets made stealth and combat so much more satisfying.
@@MrAnjo234the first game definetly deserved that game of the year award. This one doesnt
i think the reason ak looks good to this day is because every other game tries to replicate a boring realistic environment while ak gotham looks crazy
Art style can trump graphical ability.
Exactly why art direction is a thing
I _love_ how absolutely _nuts_ Gotham looks in Arkham Knight. I understand that, objectively, New York is vastly superior in most every category, being a technical work of art. It feels so much like a real city and it's truly impressive.
But Gotham looks like it's come leaping directly out of a comic book. The constant awful weather, the trash in the alleys, the buzzing neon signs, the twisting streets, the frankly nonsensical architecture, the impractical monorail, the old-timey cars and clothes, the vintage styled posters, the ridiculously huge moon. It really personifies the idea that this is a _bad_ place. A relentless nightmare of steel and concrete.
And despite having way less people, being smaller, being less realistic, the city itself still feels so alive thanks to the personality it constantly oozes.
I love New York in the Spider-Man games. I really can't fault it, personally. I think it's incredible, and gets better in each game.
But it's still just New York. It's a real place and it feels like one.
Gotham feels like you're walking into a living, breathing comic book. The strong art direction and some clever lighting means that any outdated textures or models are negligible in the overall beauty and impactfulness of the world itself.
It's a benefit of setting a story in a fictional city. You can do more with it.
No hate to New York in the SM games, of course. They do a brilliant job capturing the distinct cultures and vibes between the different areas of the city and it really is just _brimming_ with life.
(sorry for stupidly long reply)
@@div_divington Spiderman's New York seems too....clean.
There should be poor areas but there doesnt seem to be (unless I am missing it).
Spiderman's New York would be how Metropolis would be to Arkham Knights Gotham
@@div_divingtonwhich is why Arkham is better than Spider-man gsmes. Because it suits more the world of.Batman compared to Spider-man in his own world
What i like about Arkham series is that you can see how some enemies in stealth sections are scared whenever they loose comrades, because Batman is somewhere near them and they cannot see him. You can even read their pulse in Detective Mode
How do I turn on detective mode again? Cause I forgor
@@Luffy65401 can't tell man, it's been long time since I played. Sorry
@@xxxSaiyan228 ok
@WilliamAftom12976 I think it's the L1 button if you're on console, for PC idk.
@brando_05 aight thanks I'm on console
What makes the Arkham games special is that overtime enemies will adapt to your failures and successes in order to snuff you out, causing you to adapt with them and choose new ways to get rid of them.
There is a Mr Freeze boss that works around this entire concept where when you get one on him, he completely removes any possibility of doing that attack twice. It's a amazing concept barely any games do anymore.
Spiderman however have different rules compared to the Arkham series but there definitely a lot they could of done for the AI.
To this day Batman Arkham Knight is still one of the best games from 2015 as back then game developers weren't rushed
Not only that but they really loved making games based on all those details you see in the game
This video partially highlights some issues I have with SM2. It doesn’t improve any features that felt half baked even in the first game. Stealth is a total after thought, and may as well not even be there, and wall crawling is useless outside of scripted locations. I hate that when I accidentally undershoot a building and attach near the roof that I can’t just then crawl onto the roof if there’s the slightest over hang. Amazing Spider-Man games mixed wall crawling and stealth pretty well together and I hoped insomniac would try to expand these mechanics even just a little.
Waiting on the possibility for wall combat to make a return for sm3.
Probably doesn't help that there aren't any interesting interior levels that encourage puzzle solving via wall crawling
@@carbodude5414 I'm sure they can come up with something, but that's fair
@@carbodude5414 not true. Have you played the hunter bases?
The way you're supposed to do stealth missions is web up enemies without their comrades seeing it
I thought about this. For the greatest hunters in the world, they kinda sucked. Spidey has some great highs, but some pretty immersion breaking lows
That's cause they ain't the best hunters, bro . Kraven is
Bottom line: No game(s) can even come close to copying the greatness that is Batman Arkham Knight or the Arkham Trilogy
Origins was solid too.
2015 was a Good Time for Gaming
Batman arkham knight, Witcher 3, bloodborne 3, Black Ops 3, dying light etercia it was a good year lmao
@@worp4406 "The Phantom Pain" has better AI than Batman and Witcher, and it was released in 2015. Even if the enemy behavior was already present in 2014's "Ground Zeroes", which is an hell of a prologue in game mechanics terms
@@sergioriggio1769 what in the world I'd Phantom Pain never heard of it lmao
metal gear solid v: the phantom pain@@worp4406
@@worp4406 It's the best stealth game ever made. In 2015 it didn't get the GOTY because the developer team Kojima Productions got kicked out from the producer company Konami. Even if they couldn't collect them the "best soundtrack" and the "best action game" awards went to The Phantom Pain. It did beat a lot of famous videogames titles in their own matter, such as Assassin's Creed, Batman, Call of Duty, Fallout, Halo, Tomb Raider and many more
It's safe to say Arkham has better Combat
wayyyyyyy better
Wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy better
Better stealth, Spider-Man has a way better combat
WAYYYYYYY BETTER!
Batman’s combat is not good.
You can take out an army of melee enemies by spamming counter.
It doesn’t have any variation or value.
one thing abtout knights enemys is THWEY ARE SMART it was so cool to see them group up back to back after they notice a ton of them are down and see them actually be scared to the point thet jst start shooting at random sounds and things this game was truly ahead of its time
I am replaying AK, and noticing how inteligent and organized they are, specially the Militia. They are always comunicating, always adapting, going in groups. Some AR challenges are really hard not just because of the challenge medals, but because how smart the AI is. I think one of the things that make you imerse so much in the arlham games is that the thugs are really alive. They have stories, fears, they care about each other, they really try hard to take you down.
You use floor grates? The boss says nuh-uh, stay on vantage points? They shoot them.
Tbh Arkahm Knight could be in one of the greatest free roam gsmes ever if the Bosses were better and not rushed
And people have the audacity to vote Spiderman 2 as GOTY
The Batman games where so ahead of it's time I'm glad they were my only games I had as a child
the weird thing about the 5 test is in the 1st spiderman game i remember hearing. the construction workers on the Fisk missions say they notice it got quieter, so I have no idea why it's not also in spiderman 2.
AK goated af ...
Man i keep returning to Arkham every year
I'll be playing again when we get the Battinson suit next month
@@JayRockLA will be free ? i was crazy for play with battinson suit, i think they put a orange/red filter too
@@flashreverso9557 Yes it will be free of course
@@JayRockLAjust randomly opened AK again to see the battinson suit, replaying the whole game again as we speak 😭
This is part of the reason why Batman Arkham will be be remembered as one of the best series of its generation and Insomniac's Spider-Man is just a good action game
It is extremely sad (SM2PS5 enemies are useless around ledges, and their pairing up is less effective than enemies in Arkham Knight). That being said, I think tests 5 and 7 say more about the open worlds than the AI: in test 5, of course enemies react with fear, Batman is supposed to instill it in them; and in test 7, the enemies having camaraderie is a nod to whether or not Batman is doing the right thing, while the hunters are quick to get up without one another's help due to their own prowess.
Currently playing Arkham knight for the first time with the new The Batman skin and im loving every second of it!
All the test were good for the exception of number 7, he knocked everyone down at the same time and is surprised that they dont help eachother up when they are all on the floor. Like, what?
Sure, the example he showed probably wasn’t the greatest. It’s not like it will change the fact that the feature doesn’t exist.
My idea to improve enemies in Spider-man:
Enemies during stealth missions should be able to destroy perchpoints and scaffolding if they figure out youre using them too much
Some stealth enemies should wear non-stick clothing, preventing you from webbing up enemies from above and forcing you to get in close
Certain enemies should be immune to certain gadgets. Either they are too heavy or quick to react
During combat some enemies should throw fake out attacks to trick your spider sense
Some enemies diring miles stealth should wear thermal vision to make invisibility useless
Some stealth enemies should wear special headsets to hear your webs go off. So swinging and using any gadget or webs will alert them
That's a great idea.
All of them but one are present in the Arkham games. It’s not a toxic thing to learn from other developers, I don’t know why Insomniac is blockheads on this.
the thermal vision one is already a thing in miles morales
@@secondhexoyeah but only in miles morales
Great ideas bro, stealth is way to easy in spiderman
Arkham Knight was a Triumph for 2015 still very impressive even by todays standards of video games. Rocksteady really worked magic on Arkham Knight.
It sucks that WB forced them into making another GaAS in the form of suicide squad
Honestly Spiderman cannot beat the Arkham games in terms gameplay, as the stealth mechanics in Arkham games is far too advance and complex,
not only the AI of the enemies is more smarter and reacts differently.
Like one example if you takedown someone in Arkham games the enemies become alert and search for batman, that is not the case in Spiderman as you will kill every one the map and no one will notice anything.
Not true. We literally saw in the video how of you get careless in Spider-Man they’ll see you.
@@RealMatter200correct. And in AK, when there’s a drone pilot, if you take out enough other militia, eventually the drone pilot will abandon the drone and join the hunt for you, so rendering 1 of your tactic of drone hacking for multi-unit incapacitation useless.
This is smart I’d say.
Combat is much better in Spiderman 2, tho. No offense to arkham combat of course.
i love both games but spiderman 2's combat is way more satisfying in my opinion. sticking people to walls with the symbiote or smashing a dozen enemies down to the floor with your tentacles and then blasting them with your venom blast never gets old
or that one move where you can stick multiple people to walls with the symbiote while rushing them in a huge symbiote thingy. it's just way too fun
Very beautiful comparison ! I bought the SM 2 for my ps 5 and now you made me buy AK ❤ thank you so much.. loved it
Was really hoping some of this stuff would be improved in the sequel but they played it really safe with the stealth mechanics 😔
I think the reason why the last person doesn’t shiver and rant in fear is because Spider-Man while stronger than Batman, isn’t as scary as he is.
Personally, I don't need the last enemy to be terrified, it's would just be pretty neat if they acknowledged it in some way. Maybe start telling Spidey to come out and fight like a man. It's not necessary, but it is a neat detail.
That wasn't the idea, no one shows any reaction to being last, fear, anxiety, stress, or something like that
@@somebody7185 the hunters will acknowledge that they’re alone and will be cocky about it. The video just didn’t show it or didn’t get the dialogue in their one attempt
@@budgetstudios9988 oh, neat
Batman is just better
Arkham Knight was years ahead of its time
The pairing up from arkham batman was such an amazing mechanic since arkham asylum, and i was amazed the first time i played it by how well done it was, always wondered why they didn't implementated it in arkham city
I don’t know if anyone noticed, but in Arkham knight if you hit an enemy many times, but don’t knock them out, they will start limping.
I’ve had one lean against a wall and shake his head after getting glide kicked in the face lmao, I’m genuinely impressed with rocksteady and very disappointed with the group that made Spider-Man 2’s ai
@@itsGreyHat I was very disappointed with nearly the entirety of Spider-Man 2. I liked some things they did but most of it was a no-no.
i really like when the militia was the last man standing and scared of being alone. he knows batman wont kill him but he will disable you.
These types of comparison videos on AI are very nice
Comparin these 2 is crazy yo, both too smooth wit it. Some not from here typo fr
I'm glad the better developers were responsible for the better character
What’s that meant to mean
That's a bold claim coming from a Spiderman fan
In the Arkham series? Yes.
I may use the spider in the profile but I prefer batman bc he's meant for more mature audiences, funny how you found me in 2 seperate vids@@TheBatman39
Both are amazing characters and both developers are awesome
Its always annoyed me in PS4 Spiderman tht you couldnt lose enemies and reenter stealth mode. You get spotted and you just have to go loud no chance to lose em
The amount of times I hit the restart button because of this, lol.
Exactly. How come if an enemy spots you somehow everybody knows where you are and your location even when your hiding? That part was just stupid.
@@BoginTheOrangeI ain't that that's a huge design flaw in stealth games especially
I remember pretty well that enemies can lose sight of you in Spider-Man PS4 and you can reenter stealth mode. I did it a few times to get the crime challenges.
@@gannielukks1811It’s possible but it just takes forever since the game just expects you to start punching and kicking rather than try and regain cover.
Honestly, this helped me understand why people aren't upset, but not impression with spider-man. In the webbed up example, it makes sense because canonically, spider-man's webs are as strong as steel, but as the vid goes on, you can tell it's just that the devs aren't paying attention or willing/able to put in the time to refine the finer details of ai.
The fact that Arkham thugs are more intellegient than sable soldiers or hunters says somethinf
One detail i liked about Spider-Man ps4 is how the enemies with rocket launchers would use pistols if you got too close to them.
I don't know if that's a thing in Spider-Man 2 though.
Would be weird if Arkham wasn’t better , most of the character and gameplay revolves around stealth
So that means spiderman 2 can completely neglect enemy A.I . These types excuses is why we get shit, half baked games.
@@jjking8577 no the enemy AI works just fine in combat . The combat as a whole is harder and has more depth than Arkham Knight , nothing half baked about it
@@jjking8577 also ridiculous how the comparison paints these features as “missing” when they weren’t in the first game .
@@phantom3146Yeah, Arkham's stealth is much more polished while Spider-Man's combat is a lot deeper and fun
In Arkham Knight, as some people have mentioned, once enemies are "terrified", they become prone to shooting at noises and shadows. This is very easy to exploit, since Batman can use the disrupter gadget to set the gun to backfire in their face when fired. This leads to a guaranteed, zero effort takedown as a grunt will eventually shoot at nothing out of fear and take himself out. Another often overlooked aspect of Arkham Knight's predator segments is that they don't actually need to be done stealthily to succeed or even to dominate. It's quite possible to plan an attack ahead of time that leaves you visible or audible to enemies, who have no way of effectively responding. These are some of my favorite gameplay moments in Arkham Knight, the ability to take what is a stealth segment and play how I like to call "loud stealth", where Batman makes little to no effort at actually remaining undetected and prefers overwhelming force. I've noticed that the more brutal and terrifying Batman behaves vis-a-vis stealth encounters, the sooner it becomes possible for guards to become "terrified". There can be in my experience as many as three surviving thugs that still succumb to terror.
My favorite thing to do in knight is to let 1 guy live, use the disruptor, let him see me and fail, and then slow walk towards them and take them down (I haven't nor will ever upgrade the disruptor to do an auto take down when a enemy attempts to shoot me)
@@UnemployedStormtrooper you don't need to avoid spending those skill points because you need to fire two disruptor shots onto the same gun to make it backfire as opposed to just jam.
@@elboyo8343 oh I did not know that
@@UnemployedStormtrooper Yeah it's not very economical to backfire guns, best used as a scare tactic in itself or against difficult to reach thugs. Making a totally calm thug's gun explode by also hitting him with the electric charge gun and making him clench his trigger hand is a good way to cause calm thugs to begin patrolling for you. Also a somewhat obscure mechanic is that the grapple combo takedown works on brutes too.
One thing i like about the arkham series is the fact you can make your enemies have true fear and actually be more scared of encountering batman in the vicinity, for example when you explide something close to them and they are alone or feared they will shoor everywhere and will nostly check their backs areally blasting the guns
Spider-Man 2 is not game of the year for more reasons than one.
Well Arkham games has brought back super hero games back to life but Spider man games are good but they lack a lot of details which made Arkham series so damn good
Wow nice video! I never knew they could revive their comrads or place mines and sentry guns cuz i always beat them up without let them doing anything
I've played all of the main 3 Batman Arkham games (except Origins)
And every common enemy like thugs or the Militia in Knight are just the most natural NPCs can be to becoming like us humans. Especially in Knight because they added more details to what enemies can do. But every Arkham player knows their most realistic human trait are the conversations. It all sounds too natural, when they are not faced in combat they talk about the situation, exchange banter, boast about how they would "totally win" on fighting Batman, where they are, how they feel, the things they recently did, or even personal matters of their lives. It's all varied, I can believe that these enemies are real people. And I love how the devs make them think like actual people during combat (most of the time), especially if they have good equipment like in Knight, they can think critically and actually put you at a disadvantage if you don't know how to approach the situation.
The stealth in the first Spider-Man game was not great because unlike Arkham once you're spotted you can't really escape by zipping around. But Miles got stealth which made things a lot better. I like stealth thigns in games a lot
The Arkham games are known to have great attention to almost every details hence why it is still Goated to this day 😊👍
Spider-Man has potential but sadly by the way this comparison looks, yeah it looks like Insomniac devs kinda rush some of the things 😔
I wouldnt say its rushed, they just seem to not care about stealth at all, and put all their effort into story and combat. Considering there’s significantly less stealth in spider man than in arkham, wouldnt say its that bad
it's not rushed, it just doesn't have that many details
Fanboy comment 🤮
@@lukalamorakboye2398 The game has less feautures, gadgets and attention to details than the previous release from 2018. It definitely was rushed and undercooked
@@TheBatman39 also lacks a NG+ at launch
As a fan of the Spider-Man games on playstation, the Arkham games were ahead of its time. I'm currently playing Arkham Knight on PC and enjoying every minute of it.
Excellent videos
my only defense for the Hunters is they are more of a "Might makes Right" mentality, why should they help the weak comrade if they are nothing but a hindrance to the faction, everything else I can't protect them.
Enemy AI in Batman games far superior than in Spiderman games by a mile away. Even the dialogues and conversation between the goons in the open world gives them personalities something missing in Spiderman games. Even in predators maps the last goon always seems visibly terrified after all his friends have been taken out and at times he even starts begging Batman to spare him. This is missing in Spiderman games
They missed out with a Fear mechanic with Symbiote Spider-Man
Yea the enemy ai has no personality in SM2 compared to the Arkham games. I’m talking more personality wise. The enemys were fine in SM1 2018, but the newer games completely lost that.
@@pizzaguy9483it's kinda weird that I felt Gotham in AK was more alive than new York in spiderman 2 in terms of how the NPCs worked. Like the goons were commenting on everything constantly and they were making jokes and they'd basically act like humans, unlike spiderman 2 where the best you get is sometimes civilians saying things and Danika and jjj being one note characters.
And yet a bunch of spiderman 2 fans insisted it deserved to win GOTY
That brick was personal.
About the test where enemy realises that he is the only one left, in spider man's case what could happen "he will just throw a punch or two and web him" how can someone fear that, but incase of batman "he will break more than half of the bones in human body and give people unrecoverable trauma" who doesnt fear it.
Great game. But the best superhero game of all time? Game of the year? Na ah, just game of the year contender.
not gonna lie but batman arkham is best superhero game
@@RogerStanford23Both are best in my opinion.
@@RogerStanford23 so far it's spider-man 2 for me but i think they could do better. i'm hoping for a lot with spider-man 3 and wolverine
yeah spiderman have better graphic
but batman have better combat.details.rain.stealth . story and more ..@@maxsssss
next compare Spiderman 2 AI to Arkham Asylum AI, I think that would be a bit more fair
Asylum AI is still better. Lol
You want Spider-Man to lose to a 10 year old game now?
how would it be fair? Asylum was released in 2009 and was the first in its series and SM2 was released in 2023 was the third in its series. lol you rrally just wanna break the rules to have a chance at winning, right? that's weakness
@@kaltengeist it was a joke, im a lifetime Arkham fan
Asylum ai is better😂
2:35 also, they'll throw grenades if they have them. Joker's thugs in Arkham City and iirc the Militia in Arkham Knight will lob grenades up onto the roof you're standing on if they see you grapple up there 👍
Funny how a game made in 2015 is more advanced in terms of AI than a game from 2023.
Really shows how Rocksteady really cared about their games, it's insane how a 9-year superhero game is still better than any recent one.
Insomniac cares about their games. Those guys are technical wizards
@@mister-pinkman unfortunately they care more about pandering than actual gameplay experience. Lol. That's why they haven't beaten the Arkham series yet.
they are trained by jason todd so it make sense though, while kraven never really met spider man before.
@@juilianbautista4067 that’s bs, the gameplay is incredibly polished and fun. Saying it hasn’t beat the Arkham games is just an opinion but everyone knows these 2 series are the best superhero games of all time, some people prefer one over the other. Not that deep. Also Insomniacs spiderman series has sold just a bit more than the whole Arkham series, and it’s a ps exclusive and it’s newer lmao.
@@mister-pinkmanInsomniac is more into pandering. Also Arkham Knight wasn’t marketed and it was a total shadow drop
ITS DA FREAKINGG BATTT‼️‼️🗣️
Man, Batman Arkham Knight was a game ahead of its time, truly incredible in practically every aspect, and for me, it was the true GOTY of 2015.
The entire Arkham saga, even Asylum, is incredible, speaking only of gameplay and technical wonders of course.
I've always thought next-gen game would have so much better AI than before. but seeing this video... they prioritize graphics more tbh
I didn't love the arkham enemies for how good they were in combat i loved them for all of their fun conversations.
"So is robin batman's kid?"
"No he isn't the knight said so."
"Hey how's your mother?"
"Oh she's doing alright."
"I can't believe the losers in this town got their asses kicked by Bruce Wayne."
"Give me half the money they spent on these militia and i'd kill the bat in 2 seconds easy."
"Screw Penguin, Two Face and all the others i'm working solo from now on."
"Yeah I fought the Bat once. Broke my arm in three places. But the way I see it, lightning ain't gonna strike the same place twice"
"Hey do you ever think that none of this is real and we’re all just pawns in someone’s twisted game?"
"No?"
"Yeah me neither."
"He's gonna kill us like he killed the Joker!"
"By withholding medicine?"
"No you frickin' idiot!"
"You're gonna be my bitch Wayne!"
"DON'T LET HIM HIT YOU IDIOT!"
"WHAT ARE YOU DOING I NEED HELP HERE!"
"SCREW THAT IT'S EVERY MAN FOR HIMSELF!"
"So, do you think the rumours are true?"
"What? That Harley used to be a dude?"
"No! About The Joker dying."
"Can you believe it? I've been to the Blackgate, the Asylum and City. Never seen Batman, just lucky I guess."
"That place is locked down tighter than my mother on prom night”
“What the hell does that mean?”
"Now remember, if you see ThE bAt, just yell, and run at him."
"Works every time."
I had to come back because some spiderman fanboy said AK ai is stupid 😂😂😂
Those things the militia use to track the signal of Batman’s detective vision has a cool thing where if you stand right behind the scanner and wait for them to lock the signal he’ll go “it says he’s… right behind me” and then they turn around scared
Rocksteady casually flexxing their budget
Two great superhero games ❤
I think the only negative side of the game is that it makes it even a bit less complete than Arkham Knight,but why does stealth in every spiderman always suck?
Because there’s no reason for Spider-Man to be stealthy most of the time
Dude is invincible compared to the average thug, he’s got no reason to hide. Only reason he’d need stealth is for a hostage situation or something
@@no-barkthechosenone2436agreed I love Spider-Man really, but he doesn't rely on stealth like Batman does because he doesn't need to he has super powers Batman doesn't so Spider-Man can fight all fists ablazing with little to no issue unless someone takes a group of hostages.
I seriously dont know how rocksteady did that in 2015, gameplay, graphics and all. If this video doesn’t convince someone to play it simply for the stealth combat alone, I’d be surprised
This just proves how amazing rocksteady was in the Arkham days. This AI is still pretty damn advanced, even nowadays. It baffles me that they went from a game like Arkham Knight, in 2015, to the garbage that is SSKTJL in 2024
Just look at the mj missions and you’ll see the verdict
Arkham Knight had better combat and stealth. I thinks its a better game and people are afraid to fully copy it. But Spider Man 2 is still a great game
I would give Batman stealth but combat fully goes to Spider-Man
@@WatchOutForSpidersMan Batman is less repetitive
If Arkham Knight came out tomorrow, it would easily match up with and even exceed the standards of recent games.
just imagine this metal gear solid 2 came out like almost 22 years ago and the AI on that game is still impressive af imagine what batman Arkham knight can avhieve and its amazing
Amazing that a game made in PS4 had even better AI in their enemies than a game made in a PS5…
These things shows that Insomniac only cared about good graphics and a bit of better gameplay, but not to get more immersion in the world that we are in the game…
Force feeding us woke politics took over their main priorities.
@@joelrobertson3130 this kiddos have been brainwashed and can't even enjoy game in peace. All they want is drama and hypocrisy 🤷
nah spiderman story is good but nothing compared to arkham series , spider focus mainly on traversal which is only thing above arkham games imo@@dexter27ll6
@@dexter27ll6 his point has not been disproven though
@@aadisankararun8633I’ll settle for significantly better reworked
boss battles,
best traversal system in any game,
player having a great amount of control of the character, there’s way more options in combat & Traversal. You have more control over Spider-Man than Batman.
I’ll also settle for a better narrative. Between the 3 games, comic lore, & spider-verse… lmao. Arkham doesn’t compare.
The only saving grace is Mark Hamil, Kevin Conroy, & Tara Strong.
His point is greatly disproven. Also Spider-Man 2 PS5 literally dethroned Spider-Man 2 PS2, lol “slight gameplay changes”.
Also, all you Arkham fanboys.. stop deeming City’s gameplay better than Knight & the Spider-Man games, that’s the most delusional take 🤮. Arkham city was great for its time. Just because it’s monumental within gaming, doesn’t mean it aged well😂.
batman arkham knight >>>>>> spiderman 2
Not even close
Batman standing 2 meters away on a sign
Random Thug: *misses him entirely and nails his comrade straight on his noggin*
The devil really IS in the details. I had no idea that the goons in Arkham Knight will try to stomp on Batman’s hands if he was hanging on the edge.
For what it's worth some of these differences are probably due to differences in design intention, with Arkham you spend much more time dealing with these kinds of scenarios so it's only natural they'd put so much care and attention into it, crossbow lady not shooting is probably a line of sight oversight same with melee while on wall, she'd have the perfect shot depending on where the line of sight originates from but you're too close so she goes into melee instead, just doesn't have a unique animation and such for it, a shame but funny none the less.
Well you have to think about this the hunters are brutal people they don’t work in groups if they don’t have too because they want to kill Spider-Man themselves however the militia is quite literally an army so they attempt to have everybody on their feet so they can overpower Batman and kill them so I think both ai is incredible because they each have their own little story
Copium
@@MrHord-di7ig ?
That doesn’t really make much sense because they display teamwork during cutscenes and why would they work together if that is the case? Not to mention every enemy type does this throughout the games in Spiderman not only the hunters. The AI definitely needs improvement, its lacking compared to other top notch games. No offense to the devs, still adore the game tho!
@@BoginTheOrange I said they only work together if they have to.
What i love about Batman AK is when you troll the enemies like making distractions or throwing smoke, the enemies will scream like a girl and shooting everywhere 😂
They way less experienced Arkham enemies start acting scared and frantically moving around when there’s 1-2 of them, left is crazy