New NSX vs. GT-R vs. 911 turbo S (Best MOTORing 2018)
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- [Entry Car]
Honda NSX,
Nissan GT-R track edition engineered by NISMO
Porsche 911 turbo S
[Driver]
DK Keiichi Tsuchiya,
Max Manabu Orido
NOB Nobuteru Taniguchi
[Stage]
TSUKUBA Circuit - Auta a dopravní prostředky
![Explodes battle royal in Tsukuba 1000 horsepower GT-R !! [Best MOTORing] 2012](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Kk6a15n9QoU/mqdefault.jpg)
速さ云々は置いといて、FRの横滑りとも違う、滑りながらも前に進んでく911のコーナリングが個人的にカッコイイ
that classic NSX-R just looks so good. The new NSX looks terrific too, but the old one is way more special
土屋さん「ちょっと俺の腕では無理だな〜。難しすぎる」
って誰が乗りこなせるんや
プロのテクニックが電子制御と喧嘩してる状態だから、素人の方が割と乗りこなせる
プロも電子制御も挙動を読み取って修正するから合わさって過剰修正になってしまうんだっけ
@@user-kd2pb7cu9y それは無い
プロだと電子システムが邪魔で「乗りこなせない」
素人だと電子システムに「乗せられる」だけ
結論、「誰も乗りこなせない」
良くも悪くも腕の差が出にくいのでしょうね。ある程度の腕があればプロだろうがアマチュアだろうが同じタイムを出せると思う。
最後に土屋さんがコメントしている時に
夕日が差しているところが凄いかっこいい
こういうの見てるとGTカーとかフォーミュラカーのコーナリングって異常だなってのが良く分かる。
「世の中にスポーツカーが無くなったら子供たちの夢が無くなる」
ほんとその通り。
”NSX”の名を復活させてくれたホンダには感謝です。
これから今のR35のように熟成していってくれる事を期待してます！！
同感です。僕も将来スポーツカーに乗りたいです！
このGTRのエディションがニスモみたいに派手でもなくでも中身がすごいしっかりしてるのがかっこいい。そしてもうすぐ出るNSX typeSがどのくらいの進化をしてスーパーカーを蹴散らすのか楽しみ
蹴散らせずダメダメでしたね結局。残念。
劣化版マクラーレンでおわっちゃった
谷口さんと織戸さんは主役が誰かわかっててオープニングラップ譲ったりとか気が効くところがすごく好感高いですよね
旧型NSX、インテグラR、シビックR、S2000。相談役(市島さん)も日本の宝と言っていたように、まさに日本が誇る名車を作っていたのに…
時代の流れというのは悲しいものですね。
土屋さん尊敬してます。3人のバトルは本当に楽しい、皆さんプロフェッショナル。
土屋さんが「俺の腕では無理」って、土屋さんがだめならもうこの車乗れる人いないじゃんw
｢なんかやろうとすると･･全～部､電子制御に止められるんだもん･･･こんなんで、速く楽しく走れるワケねぇｰだろ！ ﾌｻﾞｹﾝﾅｰｯ !! ヽ(｀Д´#)ﾉ; ｣･･･を....やさし～く やさし～く､言ってらっさるのかな？
@@user-gv6dp7tr3o 電制切るとあまりにも不安定すぎて走れないと聞くし、電制に頼りきりでクルマ本来の走行感の調整が良くないんだろうね
@@Kiromaki 独特の駆動方式と開発中に大破炎上しちゃって冷却系の強化で重量がガッツリ増えた影響がありそう
俺忘れんな
NSXのブレーキが効かなかったりコーナーでフラフラだったりで、ガンさんがダメ出しした訳が分かった気がする
何気にスラロームのコーンギリギリをあの速度で走り抜けるのを
サラッとするの本当にプロって感じがしてかっこいい
ホンダは土屋さんと一緒にNSX煮詰めてモデューロX出してみれば良いのでは。
金がかかっても売れると思うし、現行NSXファンとして応援したい
モデューロXとNSX Rどっちが先に出るやら。どっちが先出てもいいけどどっちもでないかも……
噂ではＣＲ－Ｚの開発でも、ハイブリッドにしないと案が通らなかったそうですね。
ミニバン時代もそうですがホンダの上層部には良い車に仕上げるのを邪魔する人がいるそうな。
文字通り「株」を落としたくない筋でしょうね。
「機械」として勝負せずに「電気」として勝負するのが正しいと考えてそうてす。
環境保全も大概にしてほしいですね。
延命してるのか移住に時間の稼いでるのかは明白。
いつの時代も有能なエンジニアの足引っ張るのは無能な経営者だからね
日産も世界レベルの技術力あるのに上があれじゃあね…
そうなの？最新のシビックタイプRもNSXも収益度外視で技術者のオ○ニーの様な車だとおもうのだけど。
〇〇「あのV10(RA109-E)積もうぜ。」
？？「ダメ。」
…という伝説の話がNSXにあったとかなかったとかw
I love how this channel really shows the overall capability of the cars , not just like showing exterior and interior as well as 0-60 figure . keep it up
Real
I'm guessing you are new to bmi/hot version.
@@Traumatree You're not serious P J. He lapped 1:03 with the old NSX-R with only ~320hp (officially 280hp)! Seems like the issue of non-defeatable stability control of the new NSX was fixed later.
@@Traumatree I can't think of anyone else in the world who would do a better job than Keiichi Tsuchiya. An adaptable and creative driver with decades of experience, he's a racing legend.
@@Traumatree a better driver then Mr. Keiichi? I see you don't know who that man really is. One of the fathers of drift and most likely the best man to drive that NSX.
前でこんなフラフラされたら怖くて抜きにいけんだろｗｗ
what a dangerous car is that NSX.
Such a modest man for a Legendary hero ! ❤🙏🏼✌🏼😎
Great, thank you for have the English Subtitles
色々言われるけど現行NSXいいなぁ。是非これは1度乗ってみたい。そして土屋さん「俺にはこのクルマは無理だぁ…」と言いつつもここまでタイ厶縮めてるのはほんとにすごい。
現行NSXいいと言ってるのは珍しいですね〜。ネット上には「昔の車が最高」みたいな頭固いおやじしかいませんからね。車としての出来は現代車のほうが高いので、私も現行NSX好きです
Please Honda build a Type R NSX made in Japan.
やっぱこの3人だね！(語彙力)
3人で誰か察したw
ナレーションもいれたげて！
ＮＳＸがブレーキ効かないってなんだよ・・・
もうＮＳＸという名前の別のスーパーカーって理解でええな。ランボルギーニやフェラーリと同様、走る楽しさや究極の速さよりもスーパー感に重きを置いてる感じ。
その方向でいくなら、もっと高くなっても内外装ちゃんとすべきよな。マジでこのNSXはどこ目指してんのか分からん。
こんなに熟練のドライバー達でも操れない車はどんなに早くても一口に「いい車」とは言えないのかもね。車を走らせるにあたって、大切なのは速さだけは無いという事を教えて貰った動画です。
早く→速く？
熟練だからダメなんだろうな！
@@user-hy1tl4hd3l 逆にな
このNC型の初期型NSXの挙動はシビア...
清水さんは「なんだこれーあーー！」ってなって事故りかけてたし
ガンさんは「タイヤの横剛性がない（中略）脚の設計者に良いのがいない...」って言ってた
R35 ATTESA E-TSのように最初からうまく決まっていれば良いのだろうけど
SH-AWDは人間との感覚が離れすぎているのかもしれない、初期型に飛びついて買った人は、改良型が出た時点で納得いかなかったでしょうね^ ^;
焦ってビックパワーを求めてしまった感が否めないけど、今後の開発に期待🇯🇵
"I see cool outside, please refine inside mechanism, please"
OOOF
Beautiful, thank you. Such feel and instinct and understanding of the cars.
Definitely the best automotive program!
By far
Hands down.
only when they don't charge people for it.... 2018... is so long again... people just don't care about those car anymore...
This is basically like an japanese tv show if you don't know:)
今のホンダみたら本田宗一郎が泣くだろうな。
DC2乗ってますが高回転の気持ちよさ、楽しさを教えてくれるようなホンダになってほしいです。
Thanks for the translation! I would be very curious to see if the same results held with all cars on the same tire. I could not tell which P-Zero model they swapped onto the NSX, but the Porsche at least may have been at a disadvantage with the GT-R having a very aggressive tire by comparison (?).
Thank you Best MOTORing!
Arigato!
Thank you for the subtitles!!
9:28 only best motoring shows track and weather conditions
Acura made an nsx that can’t corner
急上昇おめでとうごさいます！
NSX has the potential but it does not seem like the product development was finished before they started selling the car.
Can you explain what you mean it's better than mclaren and I am sure it will be more reliable too
@@RSADYNAMICS As you can see in the video the suspension/electronics setup don't work well at all together.
@@RSADYNAMICS Like he said, it has the problem regarding the electronics, sliding the car suddenly when cornering and the brakes not working properly.
速度感が違うw
この3台のバトルはすげーかっこいい
NSXが好きなのね、土屋の伯父様は。 旧型は本当に楽しいよ。 MR2に乗ってた頃、たまたま乗せてもらったけど全部違った。 ハイパワー＝重さって課題だね。 ロードスターがいつまでも楽しい車の由縁でもあるよ。
Thank you very much for the english sub, really love this channel hope there will be more english sub
6:21 モデルの子向けに噛み砕いて説明してるNOB優しい
オートサロンのトークショーで土屋が暴露してたけど、この映像で「俺には（新型NSXを乗りこなすのは）無理だな！」と言ってるシーンをホンダが見てて、しばらくホンダの仕事なくなったらしい。
モデューロのアドバイザーなのに。。
ホンダは自分たちの非を認めないんですね、、、いつからそんなつまらない会社になったんでしょうか、、、
this episode + Friday's afternoon = perfect match :)
What a great show! Thank you for the subs!
やっぱりNSX-Rは凄かったですね👍
土屋さんも凄い‼️
お二人とも🇯🇵の宝物です。
19:26のアングルかっこよすぎる。。
NSX・・・。やはり新しい時代に新しい技術で作ったとしても必ずしも楽しい物が生まれるとは限らないんだなぁ
NSX should had been created in Japan
Yes, feel like its a dishonor to the legacy to have it made elsewhere, but that is only my opinion.
@@RAYSGT the base c8 isn't faster than a 488GTB lol
@@RAYSGT it's faster than the Ferrari 458, not the 488.
@@sonicloud7774 that is way more believable, i really think it is tbh but keep in mind that the 458 is a decade older than the C8
The closest thing I know to a classic NSX is a Lotus Evora
Hell, it even has a Japanese engine
HONDAは製造日本の車じゃないと酷評になるって気づいてくれ
クルマもそうですが、バイクも含め
国内生産を重点としてた時がやっぱよかったです。
カブも一時期ひどかったもんね
Made in japan じゃないNSXってアメリカでウケてるんだろうか？
アメ車スポーツ欲しけりゃコルベットとかV8マスタング、チャージャー買うわな
@@user-qu4bz9rf3n
各年間販売数は半年程で売り切ってるよ
売れればいいって理論ならトヨタの車が最高だね^^;
Thank youuuuu captioner. These videos are now accessible to so many because of you
Very underwhelming performance by the 2017 NSX. The 2019 refresh fixed some of the stability issues. The one I drove on winding roads felt invincible. Curious how it performs on track against the latest GTR and Turbo S.
NSX can match GT-R but the chassis gone beyond its use by date, Nissan need to pull their act together...... but NSX can't do much with 992 turbo s.... the German's just too strong
You Finally have subtitles?? Thankyou thank you thankyou , Arigato Arigato
This one of the best car video EVER.
ABSOLUTELY AMAZING PROFESSIONAL WORK.
Huge BRAVO 👍👍
Big salut from France 🙋♂️
It sounded like there was a sadness in his voice while talking about the old Honda Type-R's. Those old Hondas were really something. Not the fastest cars but were very fun.
Always has been
At the end of the show they always give us Moral of the story
Also it's the time.....his wonder years. He talks about it like his childhood
Many of them were among the fastest in their class though. Cars like the Integra Type R DC2 or EP3 held many track records in their class and to this day, Type R remains among the quickest. Take the FK8 for example, it got the Nurburgring track record back when it was new and even VW failed to beat it with their fancy AWD golfs. Just recently, Renault beat it with their super limited-edition Trophy R which probably costs alot more.
Thanks for the subtitle! I preffer 80's & 90's tests, but it look very nice, it have the same style than ever✨
The disappointment in dk's eyes is real.
Yeah, he loves old NSXs, knows how they behave and their limits, I bet he was very curious and excited about the new one, so this must´ve been a very dissapointing experience.
@@cesarg4328 new one just overprice... and all the part just too OEM.... that why it don't sell....
It's a completely different car with the NSX badge
He's wearing sunglasses 😂😂😂😂
@@cesarg4328 he said in an old interview the old NSX is the perfect car from factory and own 1 himself he drives daily with just tyres and his own factory's coilovers
やっぱりNOBさんのドライブはハイスピードクルージング
土屋さんの難しい判断を感じました。
これだけホンダの息がかかった人なのにホンダブランドより土屋ブランドを守った、本当の車と向き合う人だと思いました!!
改めて土屋さんをリスペクトします。
I actually like the NSX, I love it.
This content is gold!
Omg thank you for including the English subs
Awesome. Honda managers should see this.
Holy crap... seeing how Dr. Tsuchiya was breathless at the end makes me wonder if he's kept doing sports or if he's given in to older age.
Gambatte !!!
Dr?
you can see this was made by people that just wanted the nsx name plate and none of the dna
It's created in USA, where people love fast acceleration on a straight away.
@@xiebaiqin but it is still slower than gtr 😂
bro my entire recommended section is japanese i need hope please
@@And4224 not really czcams.com/video/b3lPbVTsXc8/video.html
@@And4224 czcams.com/video/Ivj97S1mOFM/video.html
The Japanese build Awesome cars. This Honda wasn't unfortunately. Built in America. I love Japan.
Your opinion is very wrong and stupid. New nsx is a monster of engineering and on the road.
@@cr2nr He's not wrong, you're not either. It's just that the new NSX is a great car, but not deserving of the NSX lineage.
性欲
This is the best car show ever! Thanks for the sub.
NSX just won 'cause everyone was so afraid to pass and get crashed lol Let's see if Honda can develop a better NSX, it deserve it! It's a legend!
I was thinking the same, can't get beside such a twitchy car
I miss Best Motoring and Hot Version videos. If I can see them on CZcams I will be watching this again. Kind of like Top Gear but more focused on Japanese cars. (:
So what my expectations were about this new “NSX” seem to have been confirmed by Tsuchiya-san: the late great Ayrton Senna would NOT have approved of this car.
Man to be honest I said the same thing about the Nsx driving it on simulators😂😂😂😂. Now I know for sure it's not just me😅. He spoke on the problems I was actually having driving it! That's just crazy to see and hear it from the OG's perspective. This video was super dope thank you guys!!!
which simulator has a good rendition of the new nsx? the only one i can find is the sim dream development one for assetto corsa which is an illegal payware rip
前輪モーターのトルクベクタリング制御、色々な車両駆動制御の中で段違いに難しいようで、ピーキーなのも頷ける
そもそもベクタリングとは主にアクセルを開けてコーナー脱出時のリア車軸の内側から外側にトルク移動させて効力を発揮するもの、トラクションの殆ど無いフロントをベクタリング制御する意味が解らん、フェラーリSF90も同じフロントモーターベクタリングだがあちらはリアにも電子制御Eデフがあって全輪トルクベクタリングなので違いが楽しみ...
R35も出始めの頃「つまらない」とか言われたけど安心感は有った、
それに対せて新型NSXは初物とはいえ危険すぎでは。
What i like is that they understand how the car work..they know how to drive the car..they know how the car behave
20:14 「もう…電車みたい！」は流石に草
35GTRのスラローム、スイスイと自由自在感がすごいな。
Great video!
And thanks for the subtitles! Really appreciated
NSXはマイナーチェンジで開発を日本のホンダ主体にしたら、相当良くなったみたい。
ドリキン主体にしたらもっと良くなるハズ
普通のNSXは誰でも速く走れる仕様にして
タイプRは腕に自信がある人向けのカスタムにしていけばいいと思う
They need a current series, we can't be watching this 4 years later lol
Honda should be completely embarrassed by the fact that the older car with a nearly 300 hp deficit runs a nearly equivalent lap-time. This is why I love cars engineered from the early 90s to mid 00s more than any other. It's the way they go about their business that matters the most, and modern cars are far too heavy and complicated to replicate that golden age.
Honda apparently fixed some of the maladies in the 2019 model, it would be interesting to see the newer model compete with these cars. I'm sure it would have a faster lap time. Should have a Z51 C8 Corvette in there too, a car more similar to the original NSX.
Between C8 or Cayman, DK himself said that Cayman felt like a modern interpretation of NA1.
土屋さんのスニーカーアディダス「カントリー」センス良いですね😉👍️
'I won't be fooled by Mr. Tsuchiya's pseudo cornering' is the greatest statement ever uttered behind the wheel of any vehicular conveyance device in all of recorded history.
やっぱGTRが熟成されてる感がある
@18:47 hahaha The way he says “wow” tho 😂
wwwhhaaoow xD
0:58 does that not look like a picture out of grand turismo sport? lol i love how realistic racing game graphics are getting
saludos desde peru , excelente video subarashi!!!
OMG! that was terrible for the NSX. The electronic control made the NSX DANGEROUS! I'd like to see it again, with it disabled. The stress in the voice , was not the excitement for driving that death machine!
this one shoot in 2018, newer NSX already got firmware update that fix that problem... they really need to make new comparison video to see the progress......
keep calm and wait for nsx type-r
@@alphaxfang they have tho, but only members can access.
@@brianhahnejong is the content avilable with subtitles? this is the only car show I would pay money for, I know a few other decent ones but best motoring / hot version is using a lot of resources to create this content for us and all of it will be available for free later on so that's the only case where I feel like I should support them. the only other shows I like are produced with low budgets or they aren't available for free so only privileged people can watch that content and that's something I don't support, and half of the shows which visit tracks ruin the track footage by focusing the camera on the driver for no reason.
@@brianhahnejong members ? can you tel me more
GTRは他の二台より1000万も安いのか…
コスパで勝てるスーパーカーない希ガス
@@Kind-Barley-Tea スーパーカーにコスパってなんか草
@@Kind-Barley-Tea GT-Rはスポーツカーっしょ
見た目はかっちょいい。何年か制御煮詰めたら、過去型もプログラムアップデートで改善されるといいな。ないやろけど。
多分、ここまで電制のこと酷評されてるから、凄いアプデ来るよ。
on touge stage "It has Honda DNA!"...After some track "it is born in USA" :D LOL
Can't thank you enough for english subtitles
15:52 me in Gran Turismo first corner in a c63 Amg
Orido was under strict orders from the Emperor not to pass lol. This channel always lives up to its name!
If they make a NSX Type R version, hopefully they include a mode to fully disable the driver aids and allow for sensible oversteer to avoid the twitching issues... they need a proper 'track' setting that doesn't interfere like we see in this video...
The new NSX is very underrated and in due time it'll get its respect
Same as the original. Once the aftermarket parts starts flowing🥶
I bet the 290bhp NSX R 02' with these new grippy tyres, can also do a 1:02 at tsukuba. The new NSX is underperforming for sure.
The 290hp nsx is doing a 1:12 maybe
@@conandoyle1740 Actually the 1992 NSX-R set a lap time of 1.05 at Tsukuba. Would be very interesting to see what a mildly tuned "old" NSX could do....oh wait there's a lap time on Dsportmag.com already....1.01 with just 350hp N/A. Point is the new NSX is just too heavy...the hybrid stuff only just makes up for itself in a straight line. Even the fancy torque vectoring can't make up for it being a HALF TON heavier than the old NSX-R.
Maybe
NSX-R RE070
GTR SP SPORT MAXX (Special)
Porsche PZERO
RE070＝SP SPORT MAXX >>>PZERO
@@conandoyle1740 Welp DKs old NA2 NSX beat the shit out of the new one on the touge track. So it´s definetly plausible for a lightly tuned NA2 to do get within 2 sec range on Tsukuba too then.
the 02` nsx are pretty close to that number stock tho
Remember people...even the jpn developed front-engined RWD NA V10 (glorious sounding, look it up) NSX proto (scrapped & labeled the HSV-10) was also a departure of what many considered to be an NSX successor.
I really like the new NSX.
I don't understand why many auto journalists said its bad its not a full fledged race car nor is a style statement its something in between like the old NSX.
You will reach your destination fast and looking good while being comfortable.
You can keep up with your friends in Mclaren and GT2rs and GT3rs and ferrari.
Its an amazing machine and a piece of innovation.
I like it.
But to each their own.
NSX‥ 理論だけ「速いはず」で造ったら、こうなったでござる。の巻。
電気なんだから早くて当たり前ですよね。
I don’t know it’s just me but this new NSX is really hard to drive in GTS. I don’t know it is error or just how this car is behave but it has its own mind when hitting the apex and make the car really hard to control. Looks like it does the same thing here on final 3 car battle which shows driver is fighting against the cpu not the track it self.
+1 I felt exactly like him when playing Dirt Rally, I didn't understand why vehicles changed behavior no matter how I drove, later I found out that all assistance, ABS, Handling, Stability so later I found out that all this, the control became on my hands.
This show makes me happy as a car guy