Is This Mid-Drive E-Bike Conversion Kit ...Any Good?
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- čas přidán 5. 11. 2023
- Kirbebike 500w 48v Mid Drive Conversion Kit Test Ride & Review!
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It's the cheapest torque sensing mid drive out there...as opposed to the cadence sensing on the bafang mid drives.
The bafang is more powerful and better on the throttle,but the tongsheng is more natural to ride and gives better battery range....based on my experience.
My bafang 750w motor lasted over 9500 miles,only ridden a couple hundred miles on the tongsheng 500w 48v setup so far.
It's such a cheap motor that if I get half that milage I'd be happy.... it's also quite good for changing the firmware and getting the motor to perform to your own style of riding.
I ride a bafang 750 mid drive everyday to work, which is virtually silent.absolutely love it, plenty of power, just have to be careful with throttle assist, when starting, so down change the power, no problem. Thanks.
Do you have throttle fitted and if so is it slower in throttle than pas?
@@DudeStuff....the bafang is faster on throttle .... my legs can't keep up in full power mode😂
I have throttle fitted, is a bit slower, but soon picks up.
750 is more than enough power, run it on a 44 tooth front ring.
I have 9 levels of power, and have never gone past 7, which will do 35 mph plus.the great thing with mid drive,is they are more evenly balanced(weight wise), plus easier to change wheels, if you get a puncture. Cheers Steve, love your clips.
Yeah I’ve put about 1500km on my BBS02 with a 52v 20ah. KMC 9speed chain. Sun tour cassette and Lekkie 42t. Peak 1200watts and no issues with anything so far.
@@TheOnlyKontrol Hey mate, did you keep the default chainring that came with? or did you replace it?
I had a go on this bike in Steve's other video I was surprised how good it was solid build 👌 rides really nice
Good stuff dude stuff 👍🤜
Boom just bought it from this review thanks boss
I have a converted Bafang BBS02 750w. I also have an AWD hub drive. The mid drive is great on shorter rides, but i prefer the hub drive for long distance.
I have a plan for 2024, a long distance Lincoln to Brighton ride on my AWD hub drive. Will need an additional battery to get me to my mid point for charging.
The future is bright .
Thanks for this, I’ve been looking for a review on this kit everywhere. Good to see a decent opinion comparing a mid drive to a hub drive too.
You're welcome bro glad it helped
@@DudeStuff cheers fella, may I ask what size frame that is?
@AppCarpetCleaning medium I think might be large I'll check
Steve, I've got 750w bafang mid-drive 15.5 amp battery,mountain bike and the police don't give me a second look because I riding it safe at a safe speed that drone works really well mate I do have a gear sensor and I don't change gear under load
I will try a bafang I've had review bikes with factory bafang but I will give one of their diy kits a test bro
@@DudeStuff Bafang BBS02B is the one to try mate ,usually around £300 ebayUK and a fantastic 120nm of TORQUE💪 🤠🤟🇬🇧
Great review Steve like it
Thanks mate
Fair review, I have been using a similar Tongsheng setup for 600 miles now. It would be worth adding to be careful of the bike you put the kit on as the cable runs can clash with the motor if they run under the bottom bracket. Never missed the throttle as the torque sensing more than makes up for it even on my 250w 36v kit.
Have to agree - I have a Fat Tad CXS (I'm disabled) and the Tongshen was my choice for a few reasons. 100% worked great out of the box and also never bothered to install a throttle (even though I could) because my requirements of 80-100% dynamic right side pedal assist are met brilliantly with the stock FW and it's plenty of power as well as great range per Wh. Literally a single wire to the controller and one to the battery - simple, no cadence sensor hassle, no speed sensor limitations, just hop on and get gone.
I'm upgrading to Enviolo IGH and Gates Carbon because I keep destroying everything in the drivetrain; like I said, the Tongshen has plenty of torque to chew through all the standard stock bike components - I'd have to upgrade to basically a motorcycle chain to keep the links from stretching, so why not just go straight to belt?
Can't recommend Tongshen highly enough - you can't beat the price/performance. If you poke around you can find the motors for less than the cost of what I used to buy a single car tire for lol
There are TQ-HPR50 bare motors online now so I'm saving up for that to be the next upgrade; Enviolo also has an "extreme gearbox" they launched this year so I can get rid of the rear hub weight of the IGH. If I had the cash I'd go Pinion all the way but normal people can't afford stuff like that or Rohloff IGH.
before watching the whole video, i would say the benefits of a crank drive is its easier to take the rear wheel off for a puncture
Remember, you can repair a puncture without removing the wheel 👍
Just gotta unplug the power cable lol. Kinda sucks u have to either use an open ended wrench or a slotted socket.on one sude.
@@10aDowningStreet some people prefer a str8 tube swap for speed
i agree with the E brake cut off , but i still install them anyway incase in extreme rare cases the throttle gets stuck or the controller malfunctions , i dont know if its ever happened , but meh ! :)
I’ve got a 500w mid drive and I fitted a motor cutout switch in the gear change cable,works brilliantly,no more chain riding over the rear cassette ripping at the teeth 👍👌
What does it do cut the throttle between gear changes?
@@DudeStuff Steve,it momentarily cuts the motor when you change gear (it must sense the cable movement),bit of a faff if you leave changing down late on a hill but you get used to it
@phillipmatthews148 sounds interesting I'll check those out in the future if I do any more mid drive stuff
Hey dude
What drone you using to follow you thanks 🙏
Hub drives are verry fine for flat terrain, but if it comes mountainbiking and I mean really mountains, not hills, no chance for hubdrives. Bosch middrives are noisy, but bafang middrive is silent as a hubdrive
I'm just about to sell my motor on ebay, £200. I've only done about 40 miles and it wouldn't pull the skin off a rice pudding. I am used to my Orbea Wild with the Bosch CX Gen 4 motor. I have the 500W 48V Tongsheng, the new B version. I'd say it has half the power of the Bosch, but it's dirt cheap. If you'd never rode a proper full fat EMTB, you would think it was brilliant. The torque sensing kind of works, but it's sort of on or off, as far as power delivery is concerned. You really need to use the gears as the motor doesn't deliver power at high cadence. It sort of cuts out at 75RPM peddle cadence, so you must up change to a higher gear to keep it within it's power range. If John had let Steve try his Bosch, Steve would have been astounded at the difference, I know I was. These motors are tunable, but you really need to fit the heatsink kit, and probably the thermal control kit, as the standard thermal management is non existent. I am a big bloke, 6'1", 97kg but my Orbea doesn't really notice it. I'm sort of comparing a £1.2k bike with a £5.5k bike, which isn't really fair, I'm just setting expectations with my comments.
Sweet, i like em all ,I'll ride absolutely anything no fuss 🤘🇬🇧🤠👍🙏
Not relevant to the video but would you test a Talaria xxx and do a review of it mate
Is there any offset on the cranks
Just wondered what the batteries like if it rains
What drone is that ? Looks cool👍
Hover Air X1
Ive got bafang bbhsd its the best kit ive ever had they are 1500w but if your carful they dont brake chains and stuff theyhave mire torque than a hub motor and they are very robust
It's a bit annoying letting of the throttle up and down between 8 to 10 gears but I'd like to try the bbhsd I've only had the bafang ultra m620
Considering you can pedal (no motor) up to 35 mph on the flat and your on a bike that only allows you to go 15 mph. Therefore any faster than 15 mph means your pedalling your bike.
Oh easily I have a 29" mountain bike with the nobby tires still on it and I can keep up with slower traffic here outside of Seattle in the hills. I do have a hub for peddle assistance but due to laws it's limited to 20mph but when powering up a half mile long 45 degree hill it's a God send since I use it to go to and from work, shopping ext.
More info on the drone please Steve!
I'd like to know aswell !
No mid drive for me thanks. I have a befang 250w hub drive. Apart from having an engwe engine x I have an old 26" mtb with dual suspension that is years old and hardly been used. I'll use it more once I fit it lol. More of a back up bike that I can ride locally.
So what do you prefer mid or rear wheel ? I have the same motor Tongshen 500w 48V they also sell these as 750w its the same motor they just up the amps and they die quicker ! I also have 2 750W 48 V Bafangs 1 controller hust died and also a Volimart rear 29er 1000w 48V with a 35amp controller and a 52V battery so more like 1500w.
For cruising about the streets on a bike frame I prefer 2000w 52v hub setups. If I wanted to get some exercise in or bike parks a mid drive around 500 to 1000w with torque sensing pas is good. Anything more than that you might as well get a kuberg, stark varg etc and do full motocross on a dirt bike style frame.
@@DudeStuff Yes mate I agree on that, Id like a 2000w rear hun I think would be a nice combo, I did have a front wheel 1000W 48V and that was good fun I liked the pull from the front wheel like an instant bang gone especially light off roading but was a 26" and while I had a few 29er's sat around the 26" felt small so kinda binned it.
Always scared front drive may pull to much on the forks and headset loads of power ya feel it when no weight over it unlike rear drive.
Love the Hadleigh castle stuff mate changed since my day lol, born in Hart road lived in Rayleigh most my life until nearly 20, parents grave there so come back now and then.
Good videos bud.
So a rebadged tsdz2
i think E kits are good if they give the option to ship u the tools needed to convert such a kit to any bike ( of course as a add on price ) to make it simple and easy for the consumer, also a warning the bike needs a good drive train that can handle high torque so chains or teeth dont rip off
This comes with tools btw
@@DudeStuff nice
How can I get the same conversation kit you reviewed in this video please,i want to put it on my 29er, cool channel, love it.
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After smashing my shoulder in a work accident I'm likely never going to be able to go back to the more extreme off roading, but I'd still like to be able to do it the the full extent I can . The price ain't too bad either. This could be just what I'm looking for, only issue for me is my bike is a Gary Fisher Sugar 293, with a rear shock mounted in the space between the top tube and the down tube space is super limited, I need to find a battery case that will fit on the bottom of the down tube and not rub on the front tyre when the front suspension bottoms out. I've seen it done on very similar frames, like this one (although I have less clearance than this guys frame) czcams.com/video/8TfO4xSEyQQ/video.htmlfeature=shared&t=40 ...I've thought about a backpack battery but I don't think my shoulder could take it for extended rides. Edit: This is pretty much identical to my bike czcams.com/video/WdZ2UtKDw-4/video.htmlfeature=shared&t=1105 Such an awkward frame for mounting a batt but I love the bike.
Sell your bike is often the easiest option in the long run. This is for sale lol
this tongsheng is weaker than a bosch performance CX, and it can't handle 500W continuous. it's ok and cheap to build a cheap torque sensing mid drive, but it will not keep up with the most powerful retail mid drives (36V 20A for the most part) and certainly not with 500W rated bafang mid drives.
I'm currently riding the 1000W (48V 30A) toseven DM01 have never snapped a chain or sprocket, the chain has 6500km on it and 0.35% stretch. Thanks to immersion waxing. Busted 3 54t star ratchets in the rear hub freewheel, though. 36t ratchets hold up much better.
the best mid motor currently available imo is the all new torque sensing Bafang M435 (750W) or M635 (1000W). It requires some fine tuning with the BESST tool for optimaltorque sensor response, but what a beast!dead silent, super responsive and powerful! ipx6 rated
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If it’s £2 a ticket then you are not giving it away be careful with your words
how good is the HoverAir X1 steve
Need to play with it more but first opinion is its best for filming selfie video when walking has very mixed results on bike to be honest
@@DudeStuff does it avoid obstacles or hit them
tongsheng mid drive kits been around about 5yrs or more, I had 1 3yrs did not have it long axle rounded over on the ends, why review an old kit.
Go cry in the corner ❄
I had Bafang bbs02 and it was super quiet and efficient. Unfortunately it got in the shithole city Vienna. The only problem was that too many male people would stare at me and my bike because of the mid drive bulge. It gets annoying over time. So take into account the culture around you especially if it's a 3rd world south European shithole.
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