The Commander - Final Review
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- čas přidán 24. 07. 2024
- After 3+ months and 1200-miles, it's time to give you my final review of the Extreme Bull Commander.
Time Index:
00:00 Introduction
01:45 Cliff Notes Version
06:00 Speed & Batteries
07:51 Roll-Cage
09:34 Seated Riding
11:09 Power Pads
11:51 Pedals
13:48 Lights & Display
17:34 It's A Gotway
20:06 3-amp Charger
20:58 Plastic / Mudguard
22:47 Weatherproofing
25:45 Speakers
27:05 Ride Modes
28:54 Commander vs Sherman
31:00 Commander vs Monster Pro
33:45 Sherman Max
37:53 Conclusions
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Excellent video as always!
Inmotion got the display right. The thing you need to occasionally see on the wheel display is the battery state.
But i would like to see the temperatures on it 2.
Taking the Commander off my jump wheel list now. Thanks Marty!
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Phenomenal video and commentary for
Hi Marty, very informative and useful video as usual. It was great that the only lemon in the video was the one on your table. That helicopter was dispatched as you were sighted with wheels based on previous experience, lol.
Commander ordered and paid in full after watching this video. Thanks for the testing Marty.
I hope you love it as much as I do
Verry useful, thanks.
Thanks for the review! I’m in that spot where I’m pretty happy with the wheels I have for most of my EUC activities…casual family ride, trips to the store, group rides, casual long solo ride, but I don’t have a top tier mega cruiser yet, like a MPro, Sherman, or Commander, or the upcoming Max so this video was quite helpful! Eventually I’ll want to do something like a long tour mountain ride, or here in the SF Bay Area, a ride around the entire bay, and only these types of wheels will do.
That all said, it sounds like the best course of action is to wait, especially when considering high $$$ wheels. Commander looks very good indeed but I’m a heavier rider and I’d feel better with more cooling iteration. Max may be the way to go instead too, and there have been possible rumors of a High Torque MPro in the works, but only rumors at this point. In any case, your perspective is much appreciated!
Thanks. Good luck with your decision - I know it can be tough. The MP is an amazing cruiser and is especially nice for bigger guys like yourself.
You said it perfect- if you want a Gotway wheel then get it from ewheels because of the custom batteries! Great review!
Really nervous which wheel I want Commander vs Sherman Max...this video helps calm my nerves with my pre-order
I think your opinion will change once you try sherman max. Nice review very informative
Once again real world experience based feedback on these wonderful machines by arguably the definitive authority on long cruise off road trail rides who lives in a envy induced part of the world great job Marty from cold wet England lol
Thanks :-)
Good stuff Marty! I chose the shermax myself.
Should be a great wheel
This is the kinda review that I will believe. From personal experience, I can't garner any major & small nuances from riding 200mile in a week. I didn't like my EXN til after 2-4weeks in. Now with >1k miles, I love it. Marty has done 1.2k miles in 3.5mths. Thats almost an owner's pov & more importantly, Marty has numerous similar wheels as reference. Although I can't see a need for a Commander in the foreseeable, its fun to know & read about. Great material for anyone looking for a long dist machine.
Thanks Scott!
Hot winter day today in SoCsl, just came out of Black Star Canyon on my KS16XS, really awesome ride/day.
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@@ElectricUnicycles will do
That elevated bike seat tho!
Great video and super informative. I am finding it hard though to figure out the top speed of the commander HT. I am getting beeps at around 28mph with about 70% pattery. How far can I push it, I would like to do at least 35mph. Do you think the wheel can handle it? I'm 6"3" 230 ponds.
Thanks to Jason? haha you only had it for so long because he couldn't get you off it haha I can't wait til you get your hands on the Master... that is the wheel I am pinning my hopes on. Another great video Marty... cheers
Lots of useful info here ... thank you!
Soft mode is great on my Tesla. Really does feel like suspension to a degree
Great stuff.
Who would do a video concerning motor technology?
I'm seeing videos highlighting "Axial Flux" motors as apposed to standard "Radial Flux" motors.
Axial Flux (AF) motors are billed as slimmer, pancake motors.
EUCs seem a good place for these AF motors.
I just wanted to add to the heating issues on the commander. For the ht, I installed 3 fans (2 behind the light and 1 on the side in the battery compartment blowing at the mosfets. Weather was around 75F. In hard trails, it ran highest up to 160F after about an hr of fighting up slopes. I weight 230 lbs. Overall I think the 3 fans worked since it kept the wheel about around 140F to 150F for a long time of riding.
For my hs, I ran it with 1 fan, then 2 fans and then eventually 3 fans. It could run fine with 2 fans or even 1 fan as long as you allow air to flow like you suggested. I only did 3 because I had the knowledge and tools. I ran the hs in trails and it did okay if I jumped a lot. But it definitely overheated with 1 fan for hard trails.
If I was to make it better, i think I would just remove the lights and then rear speakers to encourage more air flow. Some people take the circular plastic dust cover off of their axle to get more air also. But the sherman has the best method of front and rear openings.
Overall I like both the hs and ht. I highly recommend you to do the tubeless Michelin pilot street tire! Throw in some armadillo slime and she holds air! It's the smoothest ride you'll get. Try it!
Good info. I could never get myself to add additional fans. For me I prefer the passive approach (adding holes).
As I joke with other people, I'm not a "tire nerd" so I usually stick with the tire that comes with the wheel. The couple of times that I've switched the tire based on a recommendation I've been disappointed. But thanks for the recommendation.
I am barely getting into ewheels. I heard about the onewheel and baja board. Never heard about ewheels. I am amazed by them. So far what I have figured out about this community is that the Sherman Veteran is the legendary hero and the Commander may be a worthy opponent. I heard a Sherman Max is coming to town, as well. Can we expect a Sherman Max vs Commander video sometime soon?
I probably won't have access to a Max for testing
Great review 👍
Hey Marty. I’ve been watching and learning from you for years now. I am wondering, since you have so much data on almost every wheel particularly on “overheating”. Is there a way to log the amperage draw in future tests? Like say on a Sherman going up overheat hill to see if there is a formula that can be calculated - example - if you draw 10 amps consistently going up a 20 degree slope for 6 minutes = overheat. As opposed to let’s say -example- drawing 15 amps consistently up a 30 degree slope for 3 minutes = no cutout or overheat. I wonder if collecting this data over time may reveal a formula for each wheel tested in the future? Anybody have thoughts on this?
In theory I like the idea but it's a fair amount of additional work :-(
Is there a seat for it
Hello Mary! As always, great information and presentation! Thank you! Also, I will getting my Sherman Max, soon, from eWheel: would love to know where you have gotten those bumpers for your Veteran Sherman? Thanks, in advance, Marty!
Congrat's on the Max. Regarding the bumpers: czcams.com/video/NBnFZ5GTbT8/video.html
@@ElectricUnicycles Thanks Marty! Love the backstory of who invented the bumpers...from a twelve year old kid, wow! LOL! Hopefully, he can improve on the design to make for a better EUC stand, in addition to being a protective bumper. If it fits the Sherman Max, I will definitely buy one from them!
We do mph in the UK as well, cant get on with kph. Centigrade not Fahrenheit as well. The Commander sounds like it should have a following, but the Sherman is a 50mph wheel isn't it. Watched your review right through, good job :-)
Thanks
I guess the EX20S will have to go into the mix now as well
Eventually, when it's available
Its a shame about the lights. Its almost a step back. For us here in the UK we really need the wheels manufactures to become more focused on making it more like a moped with proper front and rear lights. If I look at the V11 and the Sherman, those two are good examples of EUC's with good solid front and great visible rear lights.
Nice review ! Iv been doing my research over the last few months and your videos helped a lot ! I’m assuming you’re in the surrounding areas because you where at GMR in a video when I get my Sherman max I’m going to try and go up also !
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@@ElectricUnicycles woah thanks ! I really appreciate that will do ! And E wheels is the best Jason helped me a lot in making my decision as well cool to see such a cool community 😎
@@ElectricUnicycles The max beeps at 70kmh and my friend pushed it up to 80kmh… very cool to see it can go fast but has the torque now !
@@jaimescafegarage4111 Do we really know if it has the same torque? I haven't seen any tests (with commentary).
@@ElectricUnicycles yeah I know what you mean he has both and said he can significantly feel the difference but I’m also hoping this is all true ! It’s gonna be a blast to ride ! Hoping the rim will be all good Im just gonna pump it to 35psi and pray haha
The roll cage isnt that much of a a dealbreaker. Just get a splyceguard and it works great better than the sherman roll cage. Its the seated riding that might be an issue until somebody offers a custom built one.
I had a splyceguard, and I was not happy with the build quality, or the way it fit on my EX. Great idea. Not so great execution. I sold mine pretty quick.
@@robertfox4524 it's pretty ugly. But its the most functional barrier to protect your wheel with. It's kinda expensive for a beefy piece of metal but i guess it's from the cost of labor? You have to bend it together to adjust the fit to your wheel since it isnt perfect. I slapped on a fiberglass cover and the cage and it was a snug fit. It saved my wheel multiple times. Clark bumpers are good too.
I just feel like the roll cage from veteran has been way overhyped since it's a weak hollow tube and it gets smashed just as easily.
I love my spot guard for my exn and just got one for my commander bcuz of how much I liked it… spilled on the exn a few times and not a scratch on it since the splyce guard was installed
I'm looking to buy my first wheel. the research and recommendations I found don't fit the weight that I am. I weigh in about 270 just under that. The lighter wheels for beginners don't fit my weight.
So with some of the research of the Glitchy firmware, having issues with battery fires. Can you give me a recommendation on a wheel then I can start out with? I'm looking at the veteran Sherman Max.
A good starting wheel would be a kingsong 16x. I'm 325 with gear on and the 16x has been great. Learned on it and have close to 500 miles since last September.
I know people who have learned on the Sherman. You can learn on any wheel with the right attitude. It's hard to beat the Sherman Max. IMO the best all-around wheel of 2022.
5:03 Haiku with Marty 🤣
LOL
The main reason why I didn’t go with a commander was because of your videos mentioning it runs hot. Other than that it seems like a great wheel. But ain’t that exciting I might be the first in the west to get the max. Nah with my luck even with this small feat I probably won’t be first haha.
Congrat's. Let me know what the tilt-back voltage is when you test it.
@@ElectricUnicycles anything for marty :D I can’t really ride now anyways with all this snow fall and salt on the road. I can, but I won’t. So that being said don’t mind the wait. According to alexutlang a rider that has his max already (first customer in the world to receive?) over in Dubai I think, says it tilts back at 75v.
@@fredisyoga873 Good to know regards the tilt-back voltage. Hope that holds out to be the value.
@@ElectricUnicycles Here is a video on the max's tilt back, czcams.com/video/o854wV-XXWk/video.html
I'm thinking of buying a new euc. Are any made in south Korea or anywhere other than China?
Rockwheel (South Korea) is the only non-Chinese brand but I think they may have gone out of business. It's been a few years since they released an EUC.
@@ElectricUnicycles ok, thanks Marty.
I see you smile Marty. You love the Commander HT and the Sherman Max will be released soon. Ooooh happy days.
The S-Max is a 45 mph wheel. Enough speed for me. I am considering selling my Sherman for the Max. But the Max has the same motor as the Abrams. So the S-Max should have the same bearing problems.
I thought the max is only a 2800 watt motor?
@@vtran1082 not same watt as Abrams, but yes 2800. Max is also lighter than Abrams.
Does the ewheels version on this have different firmware? I have the HT version from Alien Rides and there is a very noticeable pedal dip.
I highly doubt that it would have different firmware. That's really not an option for a dealer, even EWheels. Are you sure you're in Hard Mode?
Everyone that pushes going faster then 40 km/h is threatening the group to get licenses, permits and plates to use eucs....
Screw antiquated measurements...
There are way too many issues for the price. No built quality or proper design as usual with gotway.
Everybody's priorities are different of course.
Commander- Hero- or Sherman Max?......
I've never ridden a Hero or Max so I have zero insight for you
You mentions the High Torque version you have does not present pedal dip, but popular video says it pedal dipping on the HT versions is a huge problem: czcams.com/video/t6DL0VhdANU/video.html What are your thoughts?
I'll send u a pic of a seat I made
You can see your display at night but you can't see shit on the road 🤔
Exactly :-)
@@ElectricUnicycles it just works
I didn't realize that this wasnt a 45mph wheel like the Sherman. I wouldn't buy one anyway, Begode is dog shit in terms of quality 💩
There's a high-speed version. I love this wheel but I do have poor taste :-)
@@ElectricUnicycles but you do have nice hair Marty ! 🤣
The monster pro is hideous. Such an ugly wheel.
I like mine but everyone has different opinions
@@ElectricUnicycles You are absolutely right. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. That Commander in my opinion is just gorgeous! I hope it’s still your favorite wheel.
@@volooooo Commander is still my favorite long distance wheel
@@ElectricUnicycles love to hear it! Stay safe 💪🏼
What a piece of crap... it's 2022 and we deserve better. You shouldn't have to overlook a dozen issues to get a good ride. The S20, the V13, and even the Master will sell better than this "wannabe wheel".