Of course you are completely right about this, but.... I evaluate almost everything in my life in terms of risk vs. reward. So, yes, I use the rear brake when coming to a halt on the road, or when doing slow speed turning. When driving at speed (anything above 40 kph) I don't touch the rear brake. Ever. Here's why. If I get it perfectly right, I might gain 5% or 10% on total braking efficiency. If I get it wrong, and specifically if I accidentally overapply rear brake, the results may be disastrous. I am not a champion racing driver, and I don't ride my bike every day. So I can't guarantee that if I use the rear brake in a tricky situation I will get it right. So I don't use it at all when riding at speed, which means that in an emergency, my muscle memory won't leap to using the rear brake. I sacrifice perhaps 10% brake efficiency, at worst, and settle for no risk of getting it wrong.
Using the rear brake to load the front first is so much fun xD i do it way too often and it makes everything so much smoother when i transition to the front brake.
I use the rear brake alot. Rider and owner of two R6's . Im no pro like you. I just go by feel. And the rear break helps me rotate through the turn . Direction change
The trick to effectively using the rear brake is being conscious of load. If weight it transferred forward (like heavy braking) the rear brake is useless, but if there is weight on the rear, then the rear brake can be used for lots of things. Its a great tool.
Another great Insight from the MAN. I use and teach to advanced students trail braking with the rear under maintenance throttle or positive throttle in certain situations to tighten their line . Also on dirtbike using at the entrance to certain bumpy corners to settle the rear of the bike. And so completely agree. Smooth on smooth off. Thank you Nick for sharing.
It seems if you use the rear brake smoothly on and off and then striving to use it with finess can help. A good example like on the straight. Simultaneously it can help while developing your experience in street riding. Al
I did not fully understand why rear brake would be useful in a downhill left turn. Being downhill there is more weight on the front tire and less on the rear so why not trail brake with the front? Also why does it matter if it is a left hand downhill instead of a right hand downhill? Thank you for these videos. They are very instructive.
Robert Stylianoudakis “”A tire breaks traction due to too much lean angle plus too much brake pressure at corner entry…in a downhill corner the front tire is extra-loaded so if a rider can sneak in a little rear brake, he or she will be able to split the amount of braking needed between two tires. In a left hand turn, our outside foot (right) is unloaded and able to be very dexterous on the brake pedal. In a right hand turn, the inside foot is loaded and it’s a bit tougher to use the rear brake precisely. Racers, and some street riders, add a thumb-operated brake mainly to deal with right hand corners. Thanks for the question and note…your interest in riding technique will keep you healthy on two-wheels… -Nick Ienatsch “”
If you take one thing from this vid. LET IT BE THIS..."smooth in-smooth out" Great advice. The bike has many weapons to help you, use them! YCRS can show you ALL of them!!
Wondering why "downhill left corner", as opposed to simply downhill corner... Is that because the rear brake pedal is not as easy to reach when turning downhill right (because of foot position)?
Pre ABS and slipper clutches, it was a lot easier to develop feel for the rear of the bike. With modern bikes, it's almost a lost skill now. I had a MT-10 and the only time you knew you were using too much rear brake, was when the lever started going up and down with the ABS... No backing in, no sliding... (on a track day)
Sometimes a little rear brake seems to help get the bike pointed in the turn, like in a hairpin or reducing radius. Of course, you have to not be at the limit, because it's spending traction to get lean angle... but for "reasonable" street riding, it seems like a safe technique? Or is this "error correction" where it would have been better to brake more at the corner entry and take a different line? Also, when the road surface is technical and things get tight, working the throttle against the rear brake is definitely a thing.
We never use the throttle and the front brake at the same time. We use the rear brake for wheelie and traction control under acceleration all the time. Use the rear brake to get direction mid corner when the front brake would be a little too much is very common. You just have to be very conscious of load and traction.
Good info. Too bad that thumbnail image pops up and covers your foot before the video is actually over, but it's easy enough to visualize what your demonstrating.
Excellent advice Nick, but 10 yard penalty for recording in portrait. 😀
Steve Waclo hahaha! We got to get those millennials!! 🤦🏼♂️
Ah, so gold! Loved the rear rebound tip so it cuts the decel pop even more :)
Of course you are completely right about this, but....
I evaluate almost everything in my life in terms of risk vs. reward.
So, yes, I use the rear brake when coming to a halt on the road, or when doing slow speed turning. When driving at speed (anything above 40 kph) I don't touch the rear brake. Ever. Here's why.
If I get it perfectly right, I might gain 5% or 10% on total braking efficiency.
If I get it wrong, and specifically if I accidentally overapply rear brake, the results may be disastrous.
I am not a champion racing driver, and I don't ride my bike every day. So I can't guarantee that if I use the rear brake in a tricky situation I will get it right.
So I don't use it at all when riding at speed, which means that in an emergency, my muscle memory won't leap to using the rear brake.
I sacrifice perhaps 10% brake efficiency, at worst, and settle for no risk of getting it wrong.
Using the rear brake to load the front first is so much fun xD i do it way too often and it makes everything so much smoother when i transition to the front brake.
Another fantastic video!
Thanks !
Info from those who know.
Appreciate you stating recommended percentages.
This is very helpful.
Now it makes sense! Thank you!!
I use the rear brake alot. Rider and owner of two R6's . Im no pro like you. I just go by feel. And the rear break helps me rotate through the turn . Direction change
The trick to effectively using the rear brake is being conscious of load. If weight it transferred forward (like heavy braking) the rear brake is useless, but if there is weight on the rear, then the rear brake can be used for lots of things. Its a great tool.
Thank you
Smooth in
Smooth out.
Another great Insight from the MAN. I use and teach to advanced students trail braking with the rear under maintenance throttle or positive throttle in certain situations to tighten their line . Also on dirtbike using at the entrance to certain bumpy corners to settle the rear of the bike. And so completely agree. Smooth on smooth off. Thank you Nick for sharing.
Jon Elliott thanks pal. Subscribe and share. Let’s grow this sport.
It seems if you use the rear brake smoothly on and off and then striving to use it with finess can help.
A good example like on the straight.
Simultaneously it can help while developing your experience in street riding.
Al
I did not fully understand why rear brake would be useful in a downhill left turn. Being downhill there is more weight on the front tire and less on the rear so why not trail brake with the front? Also why does it matter if it is a left hand downhill instead of a right hand downhill? Thank you for these videos. They are very instructive.
Robert Stylianoudakis “”A tire breaks traction due to too much lean angle plus too much brake pressure at corner entry…in a downhill corner the front tire is extra-loaded so if a rider can sneak in a little rear brake, he or she will be able to split the amount of braking needed between two tires.
In a left hand turn, our outside foot (right) is unloaded and able to be very dexterous on the brake pedal. In a right hand turn, the inside foot is loaded and it’s a bit tougher to use the rear brake precisely. Racers, and some street riders, add a thumb-operated brake mainly to deal with right hand corners.
Thanks for the question and note…your interest in riding technique will keep you healthy on two-wheels… -Nick Ienatsch “”
@@Ridelikeachampionycrs so what about uphill left hand corner :)
If you take one thing from this vid. LET IT BE THIS..."smooth in-smooth out" Great advice. The bike has many weapons to help you, use them! YCRS can show you ALL of them!!
M Hilde heck yeah!! Subscribe and share. Let’s grow this sport!!!!!
I use the rear brake in the rain.
Nick, ur a G.🥸🤙🏿😇
Wondering why "downhill left corner", as opposed to simply downhill corner... Is that because the rear brake pedal is not as easy to reach when turning downhill right (because of foot position)?
Pre ABS and slipper clutches, it was a lot easier to develop feel for the rear of the bike. With modern bikes, it's almost a lost skill now. I had a MT-10 and the only time you knew you were using too much rear brake, was when the lever started going up and down with the ABS... No backing in, no sliding... (on a track day)
#truth
Sometimes a little rear brake seems to help get the bike pointed in the turn, like in a hairpin or reducing radius. Of course, you have to not be at the limit, because it's spending traction to get lean angle... but for "reasonable" street riding, it seems like a safe technique? Or is this "error correction" where it would have been better to brake more at the corner entry and take a different line?
Also, when the road surface is technical and things get tight, working the throttle against the rear brake is definitely a thing.
We never use the throttle and the front brake at the same time. We use the rear brake for wheelie and traction control under acceleration all the time.
Use the rear brake to get direction mid corner when the front brake would be a little too much is very common. You just have to be very conscious of load and traction.
Good info. Too bad that thumbnail image pops up and covers your foot before the video is actually over, but it's easy enough to visualize what your demonstrating.
Do you guys have online courses?
Team Deaf Bonce working on it.