WHAT NOW XBOX? - With Danny Peña and Parris Lilly! - Electric Playground
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- čas přidán 15. 05. 2024
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Victor Lucas is joined by Danny Peña and Paris Lilly to discuss the recent studio closures Xbox has made, what it means for the Xbox brand, the state of the AAA gaming industry and how Xbox and its competition will operate and pivot in the face of these dramatic changes. These three veterans of game coverage have a lot to discuss. Enjoy!
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If we are going all digital thats fine, but there needs to be legislation to protect the consumer from shitty behavior from corporations. If you buy a digital product that license should be yours in perpetuity.
Thank you for bringing up physical media! I simply refuse to buy digital games.
Parris may be digital only, but its about giving customers CHOICE!
Great conversation!
I hate how every conversation about Xbox just has people lumping in PS with it. PS hasn't given up on physical what kind of crazy conversation is this? Helldivers 2 on PC was never physical why did he bring that up in the same conversation?
this is the nature of online games discourse.
the war is always on. obvious platform defenders use obvious tricks and rhetorical sleight-of-hand to push their bonehead narrative. it all collapses at the end of the generation, when the undeniable reality of SALES FIGURES is finally set in stone.
then we start a new generation and begin the process again. it’s hilarious but also it deforms and mutates the whole industry, and it also generates repeated failures of ever-increasing scale.
Great discussion so far, saving for later. II'm hopeful that the games industry will figure this out.
love the nuance in this discussion. vic always delivers!
Nuance?
Sounds like Parris works for Microsoft
He does sometimes a complete shill and untrustworthy on anything Xbox.
Interesting how these "industry wide problems" started happening as soon as corporations became obsessed with AI. Problem, reaction, solution. Brush off those resumes, developers, times are going to get tough.
Great discussion here, really enjoyed this one.
They should look at studios like CD Projekt and Capcom - they sell millions of games across platforms and have done well in this current generation.
There actually WAS *five* Halo games on XBOX 360: _Halo 3, Halo 4, Halo: Reach, Halo: ODST_ and _Halo: Anniversary Edition (REMAKE)._ It's true that Halo 2 was a original Xbox release, and never received a remaster on that platform outside initial backwards compatibility... but there actually was a total ground-up remake of Halo (with 3D TV support, lol) released towards the end of the systems life. It even had the original CE included in HD as a in-game swappable mechanic. Sadly, like _Gears of War: Judgement,_ it is often forgotten in these current-year conversations because of it's late-gen release status. It hit during a time when the entire narrative was about Halo 4 and Halo 2 Remake (remember that?) on the then upcoming next-generation Xbox.
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I stopped listening to gamertag radio a while ago, I tried listening to it again late last year for a few episodes but man, Dany was so far up his own butt talking about Hispanics in gaming and Parris was arguing how physical is pointless. So when they asked for emails to explain why you'd still purchase physical, my email was so mangled/condensed when it was read by Danny the entire point I made was lost, it would've been better if he found an old phone book, read 10 names off, to than say digital bad.
Cd and games aren’t the same,when did you sell your cd
Buying digital for the same price as physical is crazy. 70 off top for a digital game is theft.
Fax
what’s a disc worth, without patches?
when was the last time you played a game off a disc, that never triggered a patch process?
@@WeeWeeJumbo patches is a whole other discussion. Why are they selling FULL PRICE NON FINISHED GAMES 🤔🤔
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I hope Microsoft just becomes a game publisher on PlayStation
The xbox platform is great. I love going back and forth between PC and console within the xbox ecosystem. So good. I hope you guys get to experience that one day with Playstation if you for some reason refuse to buy an Xbox lol
Yea I think that could really be a win - win situation. You have to meet gamers where they are.. Console numbers are going to decline faster and faster. It really is the right choice at this point . It doesn’t matter if you play Xbox games on PS5, you’re still supporting the ecosystem
@@Mmachine88I think what he’s suggesting is what I’m hoping Microsoft does: just make Game Pass/Xbox as a platform something that is available universally. Like I can just play Xbox and Xbox games on my PlayStation 5, Switch 2, and Xbox Series if I own one, Steamdeck or Xbox handheld, and my PC. That Xbox is just an app I launch on any system that takes me to my Xbox dashboard and even if I’m not on my Series X. Makes perfect sense for everyone. I wish all the companies would put their games on everything as much as possible.
@blakestewart7200 Sure, but that is more complicated then it sounds. GP is a direct conflict with how playstation operates and their own subscription.
Plus, there's clearly many millions who love and prefer their xbox console versus a playstation console
@@Mmachine88 yeah, I mean I’m kinda pie in the skying over here. I love them all so I just hope Xbox figures out something to get the games coming at a faster clip. Here’s hoping Playground Games’ Fable is coming out this year. No way that’s not gonna be fantastic.
The 360 sold 84 M console
🤘🤘🤘
It's a tough time for gaming right now. Most of the consumer base is still playing older titles and the new titles that cost 100+mil to make are not selling enough. I like games being on a similar level to movies but something has to change. Not every game needs to be a rpg. I remember enjoying the old Spiderman games on the ps2.
Good pod Vic and panel 👌
Except that you’re wrong, generally. The people want never ending games with season passes, battle passes, loot boxes, etc. to play with their friends. That is exactly why they prefer those older games. If they wanted a one and done game to play 8-10 hours and never to return to it, the AAA market would not be dying.
@@Zzshock77 Ya that's true with the $70 price tag. Some people have suggested to lower the cost to entry for the lower hour experiences. $50 to 60 type games can do well
Sure there’s definitely issues in AAA gaming but really these big money losing issues are only happening on one platform, Xbox Nintendo just raised its forecast , PlayStation is still outperforming the ps4 by 7% . Sure there’s a lot of industry correction we’re going to see these next few years but thus idea that AAA is dying it’s true . Sure there’s outliers but the industry as a whole is going to be just fine . CWe are know where close to a Crash or anything like
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Can’t see Nintendo going multi platform unless they were in a dire situation. The reason the console manufacturers don’t want to go this route is because they want to bring people to their platform and lock them into their ecosystem for several console generations. the exclusive games exist for the purpose of enticing people to invest into their ecosystem long term (as very few people will invest in two consoles, Nintendo bring the exception). Xbox failed and are going multi platform for their survival, not because of good will. In either case, Sony will port all its games to pc, you just need to be patient so there has been progress on this going for those that dislike exclusivity.
Have to push back on this is a "industry thing" narative. This is a western development problem and yes that includes Sony & Square. They are chasing a imiginary golden unicorn with graphics and tech. They consider gameplay and playtesting months down the road. Nintendo, Sega,Capcom,Falcom etc have this figured out.
You said a western development thing but go on to talk about Sony and Square 😂😂 I don't know how to take you seriously lol. It is an industry wide thing. The bulk of the industry is seeing these issues whether you wanna say the bulk of the industry is western or run things like western developments.
Sony headquarters is in America.
There is alot of issues in AAA that are going to work themselves out over the next few years but the MAJOR money losing issues only exist on one Platform. Sure Sony and Nintendo are seeing some decline in software and profits but revenue is healthy . Nintendo just increased their forecast . PlayStation is still outperforming ps4 by 7% sure you want to be in the double digits but still in very healthy position.
@@startraffickNo they report to Japan
How does last year so many good games come out then layoffs??🤔🤔 they just want to get more money out of gamers . Let’s see $70 games current consoles have not seen significant price cuts which is stalling the installment base . The industry is not dying, exclusive are not bad ask Nintendo. When two companies want to monopolize the industry by buying up smaller studios layoffs happen. Xbox is talking about market growth when they can’t even sell the series X. Let’s stop assuming these companies are not doing PR spins to hide their shortcomings.
Alot to discuss here. But one topic that I want to talk about is development time. It appears fairly common today that most large studios are having serious mismanagement issues that are causing these extremely long cycles. One example of many, 343. Halo Infinite went through so much restructuring from its initial unveiling that had nothing to do with what time it actually took to make the final product. Nintendo does a much better job, but once in a while, suffering the same issue ie. Metriod Prime 4, for instance. Games are expensive and do take time, but I don't believe for a second that any game should take more than 3-4 years to develop. Especially with the tools available compared to 25 years ago.
Parris is on the show instant downvote from me.
Sorry Vic, this as a very hard watch. Not sure which Nintendo coolaid you drunk before filming but you seem to think they are absolutely perfect. They have been sitting on their ass for years... milking their fans, releasing the bare minimum game with the bare minimum feature in it. There is nothing glorious about the Nintendo way... Yes Xbox is just absolutely lost but at least they have been trying to compete. Nintendo doesnt have to try because their blinded fans like you will just buy anything from them.
Have you played Mario Odyssey? Perfect game! I love my series s but Nintendo does make perfect games. They are the kings of gameplay feel. Zelda botw perfect. They're many more put you get it. I have a series s that I love before you call me a Nintendo fan boy
@@jasonbeck1340 when did these games release oh yeah early in the life of the switch. What Nintendo has been doing for the past years??
Blinded Nintendo fans? Where were they during the wii u? or the gamecube? or even the N64? Nintendo are competing but they just decided to leave the high end console market.
They are perfect!! Joking lol
Xbox acquiring companies is trying to compete??😂😂😂