70013 stalls at Halesworth with the Eastering
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- 15/8/2009. 70013 Oliver Cromwell is seen passing Diss. The driver of the London bound express slightly delays his start to allow photographers to get their shots! Next two shots of 70013 passing Reedham in reverse (allowing it to face forwards at Lowestoft). Finally just south of Halesworth travelling slowly, 70013 loses its feet on the approach to the (noisy) level crossing on the minor road to Wenhaston. Skilful driving succeeds in getting adhesion and the train proceeds slowly towards the next crossing.
Nice video, well worth watching :) I too was impressed by the drivers skill in getting moving again. Excellent vid.
Dolt? Are you serious? Why so rude? Our cameraman shows great maturity in his calm response.
Thanks for sharing the vid, Two reasons for the slip.
First, there was a flange greaser on the approach to the crossing, contaminating the railhead with grease, hence this sort of slip.
Whilst there is a speed restriction for the crossing, we were crawling because of the presence of trespassers wrong side of the barrier on the other side from where this was filmed, and a little boy of about 12 who had climbed to the top of the signal post.
Trespass was the prime cause of delay on this trip.
Nice! I got her yesterday hurtling northwards through Hitchin by day and back again by night. It's a stirring sight. My grandfather was a steam train driver and it's never really worn off.
That's a heavy train to restart on that grade. Nice capture!
He explained why the video is as it is.
I would not have expected the warning speakers to continue sounding as they did.
Fine recording, will she, won't she, very gripping. Many thanks.
@justandy333 The gates, on any land, when closed to non rail traffic are there to stop persons crossing the line. On public/private land where the Normal position of the gates is open to rail traffic, they should only be opened for the purposes of crossing the track. On Open/No Barrier crossings I would say the nearest you could go with a strong argument of not trespassing is level with the line of the barriers or level with the "line" that would exist from the boundary fence across the road.
Thank you for this information.
A problem with this particular crossing, is the fact that there are no barriers. Most observers (railway enthusiasts) were well aware of the rules and obeyed the limits. Unfortunately, the family of the young lad mentioned (none of whom appeared to be railway enthusiasts) took it upon themselves to watch from any available spot, all within railway property. Therefore there was no parental control of the lad. He, ironically, was probably in the safest position!
My understanding is, that if there are gates or barriers on a public road, and they are closed to the road you shouldn't stand the 'railside' of them. In this instance there were no barriers, only lights, so I think the assumption is you should not pass the lights at danger.(And certainly not walk up the track within the railway property fences). On private crossings I would have thought the same rules apply.
Further comments welcome!
The main problem, and the whole point about the scene in question is that I was nowhere near the camera as the loco passes. In other scenes in the video I have followed the loco through as I normally do. i.e. only when you are with the camera can you do as you suggest.
Cracking vid, Don't have to explain yourself to anyone mate
I'm not aware of a speed restriction, though the crossing is guarded by lights only (no barriers). Perhaps the driver had spotted the trespassing lad who had climbed a signal pole and a large number of viewers and decided it was prudent to slow down (see comments below). Unfortunately there was also a flange greaser just where he (the driver) slowed causing him to lose adhesion on the climb.
One could argue that he perhaps over-reacted to the situation, but as always it's safety first.
Thank you.
Some of the reasons are that main line steam lasted more than 15 years longer in the UK than the USA, so many more people remember steam locos and are still capable of helping to keep them running. I think also that the insurance implications in the USA hold back main line running with owners aware of litigation more strongly than in the UK.
It will be interesting to see what the situation is in the UK in 20 years time.
@FatSeal45 The Klaxon sound (if that is what you are referring to) is the level crossing warning device. Other sounds are the locomotive slipping.
@canadiantimberwolf1 The point that 37427 is making is that 90013 is an electric loco (not a diesel). A pantograph is the sprung equipment on the roof which picks up electricity from the overhead cables. I believe this type of system is not very common in the North American continent so probably is not familiar to you.
Oh. Sorry. I forgot which video this was. You kindly explained earlier.
To see over others, I have held my camcorder overhead at arm's length.
Hi. I will repeat the comment I made some time back:-
"The problem was, in the final scene, the tripod was literally on the railway line (to be clear of other onlookers), so I had stepped aside so as not to be accused of trespass and was taking still photos. I did return to the camera to video a 'going away' shot but so many people got in the way you wouldn't want to see it! (From the shots you see you wouldn't believe that there were more than fifty people there!)". You couldn't have improved!
Seems to be a lot more old steam trains actually on the rails in the UK than over here. It ain't right. I've only ever seen one under it's own power once in my life, and I hardly remember it I was so young.
Feel sorry for you. I was an avid train spotter - steam btw. Went all over 5he co7ntry . Into the works . Into the sheds. Recorded thousands of them beauty’s in my combine . That’s the bible btw. They were never as pristine as this . Smelt of stem , oil grime. Etc. working machines not museum pieces. .yes I had a great childhood. Enjoy the internet with respect
Thank you (couldn't have said it better myself).
Nice shots. My question is..is there a 2mph speed restriction approaching the level crossing?! If not, why would the driver slow so dramatically just when the gradient steepens too - was he deliberately aiming for a near-stall? The recovery was skillful, but why get into the situation in the first place. If he had not been able to recover so well, what delay compensation and yet more PR damage to the steam fraternity might have ensued?
A shame that this did happen, yet its a great effort by the driver to be able to try and regain enough momentum to be able to at least roll it forward. Glad however that with all this slipping of the wheels, he didn't blow the cylinder ends off. Glad to see and hear the sound of the cuffs after he regained after the stalling.
@canadiantimberwolf1 Hadn't noticed that until you pointed it out ;-).
I like Canada too, though we've only been to Toronto, Lake Simcoe, Algonquin Park and Montreal. Great railway museum in Montreal! Heading out west next time maybe.
That is pretty cool actually, as the Cromwell is 70013 and she comes into a station and there is a Diesel with a number 90013,interesting catch. Bet you couldn't do that again...LOL
hes just pointing out that it is an electric train not a diesel thats all
Not easy to find a spot where it was not illegal. Also I was not aware that the sirens would be continuous!! (First time at this location)
The problem was, in the final scene, the tripod was literally on the railway line (to be clear of other onlookers), so I had stepped aside so as not to be accused of trespass and was taking still photos. I did video a 'going away' shot but so many people got in the way you wouldn't want to see it! (From the shots you see you wouldn't believe that there were more than fifty people there!)
I'm not sure why sand was not used more liberally. Further down these remarks is a comment from the fireman.
Yes, very skilful, but I saw no sand being used (there would have been steam around the wheels), maybe that's what the crew were looking for and it had run out, or damp. Comments welcome!
those engines steam so nice
OK then, try this:
Imagine you'd been there and set up your camera to film the loco passing at speed. You've locked the tripod in position because you don't want to pan on a fast-moving subject. You zoom in and start filming. How do you then, when the loco stalls, unlock the tripod to pan when you're zoomed in so far without wobbling the shot?
it's must be quiet hard to stat on a hill
Daft place for the cameraman to stand - get awayfrom those sirens!
She doesn't stall - stalling is when the reverser is set in exactly the wrong spot when stationary and the regulator is opened allowing steam to both sides of the piston meaning the wheels can't turn. She lost adhesion and slipped to a stop.
I agree, but it was easier to put 'stalls' (meaning 'stops making progress' (in a general sense)) than all the technical details pertinent to a steam locomotive.
I would, and have, picked up the tripod and aimed the camcorder.
Also would zoom out so that any movement was not magnified.
Then pause when unlocking or unlock while recording.
But I do want to zoom out and smoothly follow the fast-moving locomotive to show the side rods and everything operating.
Great video mate.
As I'm fairly new to this interest could someone clarify to me the rules and regs of level crossings in regards to trespass.
I'm a little unsure on some aspects. For instance I was out seeing the VSOE near Warminster.
The owner of the land the crossing was on said, "it was fine to have the gates open and film from just inside the gate boundary, so long as you wern't causing an obstruction."
Is this true? I don't wanna get a £1000 fine coming my way if it isn't.
@canadiantimberwolf1 Diesel 90013? FAIL, it's an Electric Class 90.
Do you not have pantographs in Canada? Jeeze. I understood you comment about the irony of the numbers just you called it a diesel when there is quite clearly a panto(graph) on the loco...
Had I been there, the video would be far better.
SMOOTHLY follow the locomotive as it passes. He stupidly allows the locomotive to pass out of frame at the time when the best views and detail could be seen. Viewers are also wanting to look to the right and see what that steam noise is. We're also wanting to also see the level crossing signals as the locomotive continues away.
Instead, we see rail cars.
Robert Gift the coaches are equally interesting.
@37427 ..who cares what the class is...I was talking about The Number Boards you "Walley"...just the fact that the Steam had 70013 and the Diesel had 90013.. all I was saying was..what would be the odds of catching that..
What the hell is that noise at 2:35?
@37427..Pal, I don't know what your on about...Panto...what the heck is a panto and what does that got to do wtih the Number Boards? Obviously you want to make a point about something...so please do so.
Have we been bad sir putting oil on rails
robertgift of the gab Bloody knowitall
Easterling
No problems.
Thats either a tall, thin loco, or the aspect ratio is wrong. Should be 16:9.
It was correct when first posted in 2009, something has changed!
OK then, let's see a better shot taken by you. The highest-quality shots are often those where the camera stays completely still. Too much panning can make for a rather sickening feeling.
@canadiantimberwolf1 Obvs you are too blind to notice the panto on the loco.
Thats what happens when idiots stand on the track - the train has to stop!
WICH COUNTRY & WICH GAUGE ???
jamaaluddinas1 jamaaluddinas1 the uk - and standard gauge
MrGreatplum THANKS
This is in eastern England (UK), and is standard gauge 1,435 mm.
Peter Heath THANKS
Why didn't this driver have a charge for the bank instead halfway. No wonder she stalled. Typical diesel driver. Incompetent driving.
Least he took the time to film it. Be more grateful for peoples videos. Instead of just complaining...
TURN THE CAMERA TO THE RIGHT AND FOLLOW THE LOCOMOTIVE!!
Dolt, 1/3 of your view is worthless scene at the expense of showing the locomotive.
Sand?
It's OK to pan around and show the area and the crossing and signals.
Thank you.