PROPHECY LENS TIER LIST | BEST LENSES EXPLAINED | Last Epoch 1.0
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- In this video we go over the best lenses as I explain the effectiveness of each lens and potential use cases.
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Just a note, my blocker math is not exactly correct here as I assumed each condition type had an equal chance to appear, that is not the case. I have it on my todo list to do an update video for this.
Also I predicted the arena key nerf at 7:00 exactly 3 days before the patch; forum.lastepoch.com/t/last-epoch-patch-1-0-2-notes/66953 lol
Youre the only one making these guides and it is very appreciated!
I find that really weird, LE has a lot of amazing content creators like Dread, Perry, Curse, etc. I guess they are more busy on the build theory crafting rather than what I'm doing
Damn, you guys are awesome. I've never been part of such a positive community as the Last Epoch one, thanks so much for all the support
Dude, this IS the content everyone NEEDS! Your theorycrafting is amazing. Maybe switch up the format a bit and add more flashy lights to appease the algo.
I appreciate the kind words :). I'm still new to the whole algo thing, there's a bit of a learning curve
@@FrozenSentinel I can give you some thumbnail tips.
Have a secondary title in your thumbnail. The more clickbaity the better. "This CoF Lens Strat Is Unethical!" "CoF is Hiding a Major Secret! How did I NOT know this?" ect.
Make sure you have a human face in the thumbnail preferably making the wojack face.
Have red arrows pointing to things. Doesn't really matter what could be anything just make sure the arrow is red.
Noted, thanks :) @@pandabosch
@@pandabosch Dude come on. Don't encourage the OP to be a shameless turd. There are plenty of people that don't do this that are growing without the need to pander to the dumbest people on the planet. I certainly won't follow someone who slams clickbait into their preview image
I always love finding channels like yours, great information that everyone else isn't covering for one reason or another.
It's similar to why I like finding and covering more obscure builds when I put together builds, because someone out there will always need it and providing that resource always feels great. Though, I've always preferred written guides personally.
Thank you :) And absolutely, someone has to cover the more niche stuff! Writing makes sense, but I find it's a lot harder to get an audience starting out fresh without a platform.
Awesome theorycrafting! Keep leaning into this niche, I think there's a lot of interest in stuff like this.
Fantastic guide!! Thank you so much for your hard work :)
Bringing a level of theorycrafting and depth that i believe most last epoch creators are lacking! Amazing video
That's because LE doesn't demand this level of depth and theorycrafting.
Like I'm glad this is helpful for people but this is just silly. A lens tier list? If you're literate and can read what each of the lenses do I'm sure you would have figured it out for yourself.
There is zero reason for a spreadsheet. Like literally if you have ever played any ARPG ever, the strength of each lens should be pretty obvious.
I'm starting to become more convinced every day that 95% of the population are incapable of thinking for themselves, even when it comes down to the meaningless minutiae of a video game.
@@TH-dg2mm i hope you find something you enjoy and is interested in
Omg, I crave this lmao. I know this game is not supposed to be like a PoE spreadsheet game and I love it, but man do I love to min max. Thank you so much
It's nice that we don't really need spreadsheets to do well in Last Epoch, but for that little bit of extra min-max it can't hurt to do a little math ;)
i just saw the vids about the lenses and stuff, first view the 90x cost and 2x reward seems easy as the best one, but think twice now what lenses to use where .......it seeems to be very useful, awsome work .......... giant respect !!!!!!!!!!!
i've been using double blockers almost my entire time playing, thank you for doing the math on these so i can fix that
i feel like you need a patreon or something. the amount of work this takes is not proportionate to the amount of views you get. very much appreciated dude.
Yea I've been kind of torn on setting one of those up. On one hand it could potentially get me to the point where I am able to dedicate more time to making content, but on the other, I wouldn't feel terrible making a commitment that I might not be able to deliver on consistently.
This was super helpful. Liked, commented, and subscribed
Great video, i had no idea arena key prophecies were so lucrative. Thanks for the info
Good video, keep it up, thank you for the summary videos.
Definitely subbing to you for all the cof knowledge!
:)
Thanks for the content, my man
This man doing gods work
ty for your content, awesome and helpful!
Awesome content, thank you!
Thanks for all the research and videos. Little feedback though dark mode spreadsheets would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks again. Thanks for all the time you're paying for Last Epoch players. You're feeding my addiction.
Thank you! I wouldn't still be doing this if it wasn't for the awesome LE Community we are fortunate to be part of :)
Really helpful. Thank you.
Thank you so much...keep up the good work
Subscribed for spreadsheets.
amazing content, ty
I've only watched a minute of this video but holy shit, I appreciate you!
Awesome content man!
What would you recommend as a setup for hunting exalteds? I’m trying to hunt legend bases
I uploaded a video on that: czcams.com/video/tfHwveU876w/video.html, this will probably help. For lenses you want 2x, 2x, and either a type if one exists for what you want, or a blocker or something like that. Can see the prophecy list here; docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DLiKBOApPtBBm5prr185HU-iYM9k28ENFgz-voXpB-4/edit?usp=sharing
Thank you so much for your work. I would however rank every lense under the assumption that you want the effect. You mention twice that the weapon lense is more efficient than the S-tier lenses if you're looking for that weapon type - in my book that puts it at #1 overall. Same goes for blocking monoliths - I know I don't care for blocking them, but I'd rather have them ranked assuming that I do.
Yea that's fair. Weapon could have been S tier. As for blockers, I did rank according to their general usefulness. They just aren't that useful for increase the items per favor spent when rolling prophecies.
Great video, very informative. I put 2x blocking rune sin all my telescopes, will be switching it up according to your reccomedations. If I get it right, most efficent setup is to run 2x drops, 2x uses and either unique/weapon type/idol size, right?
Yea pretty much. If you want multiple uniques within a region run unique. If you want multiple rarities of one type, run type. Weapon types are always good. A few of the other types are also strong depending what you want
I quite like blocking monos because most mono prophecies are boss kills, which are usually not the one you are farming. If you have like 3 to 4 different boss kills with multiple uses each then it takes forever to clear those. I like to leave arena open and just save those up to run arena all at once. This makes most prophecies as kill scorpions or mages.
Yea I was actually testing this earlier and found if you block Arena, Mono, and Dungeon it's like 90% generic conditions like "kill a boss". I assumed there would be a lot of campaign, but it seems like the conditions aren't equally weighted, but rather than events themselves. Campaign seems to only have two events.
How do you only have 5k subs? keep up the good work
Haha I've only been putting out LE videos for a few weeks, very amazed with how much my channel has grown in that short time! Can't wait to keep putting out more content for this great game.
So the tldr is
If you have 2 lenses
1. Double quant + double use gor everything except weapons
2. Double quant + weapon type for weapons
If you gave 3 lenses
1. Double quant ,double use + blocker if only one unique you're searching for OR
2. Double quant, double use + unique lense for more than one unique in same category
3. Speical case for daggers : Always use dagger type lense and then whatever
Close! The only thing I'd say is that for 3 lenses, the 3rd should likely be type if you want multiple of a given type, or unique if you want multiple types of unique. If you want one unique type either is usually fine. Blockers are generally not effective for high CoF ranks since the chance lenses get stronger per level and one blocker doesn't do much.
Caveat being if you want to block monoliths you could run monolith blocker as 3rd.
Also there is no special case for daggers, that was just my example
Thank you a lot!
It would be great if we can add some weight in the calculation for the activity blocking? (I assume currently it is equal weight)
For example: If I want to do Monolith 10 times more than Arena and 2 times more than Dungeon, I can put 10, 5, 1 respectively for Mono / Dungeon / Arena so the favour reroll calculation can take that into account
Personally I'd say if you are okay with any of them it's probably worth grabbing the first you see to not waste favor on rerolls, as that will reduce the number of items you get per favor spent a lot.
Do note that favor spent still increases you rep
I have LITERALLY no idea what Last Epoch is. Pretty cool video tho.
Definitely worth checking out if you are an ARPG player :)
ty for informative videos ! Can I ask one question? I wonder 2x Uses + 2x Quant lens could stack or not.
you can use one of each, but you can't use two of one type
Do you get bonuses when you do stuff in the game when you socket these things into all 12 slots? Well I have 8 now, but still?
nope, just for the region you put them in
Agreed with all the comments here. Super informative. Great work… One thing I still haven’t read / seen is what makes up the item pools for prophecies? My assumption is that they only access the “global” pool. Therefore, none of the items from specific echoes/timelimes or bosses can drop from prophecies. Is that right?
Yea it can't drop boss specifics, or stuff like experimentals it seems
Boss-specific uniques cannot drop from prophecies, no. Timeline/echo specific uniques don't exist, specific timelines are just mentioned on uniques because they are the only ones with nodes for uniques of that item slot
Interesting. So I’m clear, if I’m hunting Barbute… there are nodes that can target it. But, it’s also included on the global table… and can drop from any mob… as well as prophecies?
@stperlmutter sorry missed your question, but yes. Barbute is not boss exclusive so you should farm it with prophecies
So if I understand it, let's say I want to farm the Scurry helmet. An ideal setup would be black sun zone + unique, armour and 2x usage lenses?
I believe so, I'm not 100% sure if it will drop zone specific items, it definitely does not drop boss specifics
would love to see an example of how you have all your Lens setup usually!
Not much to show tbh, I generally run double 2x lenses + either unique for armour region, weapon type for weapon region, unique for jewelry, or type for idol region.
@@FrozenSentineldoes 2x use even work? I only ever see the cost and number of use go up as if you are using only one
One Lens of Wealth and one Lens of Rhyme@@solatyn
@@FrozenSentineli see thanks, got confused by your spreadsheet
So if i run monoliths and need one handed sword drops i should use refracting lens of rhyme, refracting lens of wealth and lense for one handed swords?
Exactly
Hey I'm back from the gym (LOL) Nice to see you figured more stuff out!
Haha welcome back, hope you had a good session! And yeah it took a while but I made some progress. It's pretty complicated to figure out which lens is the best with all the different moving parts
Thankyou
Wouldnt stacking the double reward lenses be the best choice if you arent after a specific item type?
you can't stack two of same type, one of each is best
SO in short i should use 2x on everything + rarity for armor and + type for weapon and block if u have 3rd lens right?
Yea pretty much. Block isn't great though unless you are still leveling and don't have the good ones yet, or want to block monos.
can we stack the same lens 3 times ?
Wouldn't it be good to run 3x double prophecy rewards one for example ?
It doesn't seem to work unfortunately
Hi, I have two questions.
1. If I am farming stout lagonian idols, i should for x2 use and x2 quant, and stout lagonian idol lens?
2. If I am farming exalted bow/unique bow, I should go for x2 use and x2 quant, and what lens?
1. Yes
2. I'd run 2x use 2x quant and bow
You mentioned selling keys using the key lens, how do you sell keys when you cant trade gold or use merchant guild because your specced into circle of fortune? Or is there some interaction I don't know. Still new to the game and learning the interactions!
just sell them to the npc
Correct, the npc. Only arena and memory keys though the others are worth only 200
I have a question regarding glyphs, do you know how to get the glyphs of insight ? I haven't got a single drop in 30 hours.
They dont drop randomly. They drop from using runes of research on experimental items. Its like. 50% chance
@@MrDarkBoy93 thanks a lot
Doesn't the monolith blocker also block timeline challenges? Cause the Timeline ones are the boss fights in monolith
Yea it does, just tested to confirm with 10k favor on rolls
@@FrozenSentinel nice awesome thank you for testing!
hi i wanted to ask if a Lense affects globally? so let's say i only want to do Monolith Prophecies. if i block Arena, Soulfire Bastion, Campaign by using up my slots in North, South and West. will blocking Arena, Soulfire and Campaign also apply to my East(Weapons and off hand Prophecy tab)?
No, slotted lenses only affect the telescope they are slotted in. The only difference about Greater lenses is that they are able to be placed in any telescope, while the regional lenses can only be placed in the corresponding region.
It does not unfortunately, as Jak said
@@jaktracy thanks so much for this! its huge info!
@@FrozenSentinel Thanks alot for the video too!
The wording on the unique and exalt greater lenses makes it sound like it increases the drop rate of those items, it's a little misleading.
Lol arena keys. Man predicted the future
Lol yea I forgot I made that prediction at 7:00, the nerf came exactly 3 days after; forum.lastepoch.com/t/last-epoch-patch-1-0-2-notes/66953
Next time start the video by saying "yooo whats up guys, grim here"
Haha yea I had forgotten about Grimm but it does remind me of his content
Is it me or is monolith blocker and high corruption marker to different markers? Im not understanding that part
If you block monolith, it also prevents high corruption conditions
@@FrozenSentinel so you never need to block high corruption conditions if you’re doing both you’re saying but you have the option ?
correct@@freasefraim
When the lens said per rank, does it mean per COF level or something else?
Per CoF level yes
@@FrozenSentinel thank you
I use lenses to block dungeon/arena/campaign, then all prophecies will be Monoliths. Kind of nice
Thats the worst thing u can with lenses 😂
Yea that doesn't seem great to me, you already are interested in 3 of the 6 types (mono, high corruption, and generic) so the 3 lenses only combined reduce your expected favor spent on rerolls by half.
Update; it seems like conditions are not weighted equally, but rather by event themselves. Campaign has a very low weighting so it's not worth blocking.
interesting that the exalt lence is bad once you get the 25% bonus from CoF. That's news to me
Exalt prophecies just feel overpriced relative to uniques. The favor per item is basically the same which doesn't make sense to me. Exalts should be cheaper since they are significantly more plentiful in other content
@@FrozenSentinel I don't understand why exalted lense is low? Isn't exalted the most common kind of gear you will go for in end game? The double price lense seems like it is only good for unique targeting.
If you watch the whole video I go into the math at the end. Double price is always good. Exalt is bad because exalt prophecies are not cost efficient.@@dodang_9147
I don’t think lenses work for me. If I use the exclusion ones it doesn’t exclude anything. If I use the 80% more cost I don’t notice any difference in prices, and if I use the one that gives double attempts it doesn’t increase the attempts and most stay at 1.
you need to reroll with lenses to take effect...
Are you 100% sure you put the lens inside the region you are rolling? Also note the lenses only take effect after you reroll, not to the already rolled prophecies
@@FrozenSentinelI can confirm at least something similar happening to me.
I bought the 2x Use lens; put it in; rerolled and the new prophecies were still at 1 use.. or rather not stating anything in the yellow bar.
Out of curiousity I bought one prophecy thinking it may be bugged to not reflect the Lens. When I viewed my active prophecies it st ill said 1 use only.
THEN! I closed the game entirely, logged back in and tried it anew: and now every rolled prophecy has at least 2 uses or a greater number that is even.
That might be a new bug then, I don't remember seeing that happen before@@marcelhartel9330
Welp iv been doing everything wrong