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Besides nearly losing all its wheels, it did alright on the lap I thought.
hahaha, great comment :D
if Misha would have driven it the POS would have fallen apart
excellent quality!
@@Chris-hw4mq why would you have fallen apart?
@@nickwagner9339 Butthurt Tesla owner I take it?
This is why every wheel shop will tell you to re-torque your wheels after a couple hundred kilometres. Although it is still rare to happen there are a number of factors that can cause this like bolt stretching, falls torque reading due to friction and the bolt slightly shifting due to vibration and forces.
They will tell you that due to legal reasons so you can't be held accountable if someone doesn't tighten the bolts properly. If they are torqued to spec once they are torqued forever.
The car never had the wheels removed since being bought, this is slack from Tesla.
@@haiiyouu That is completely false.
@@jaredscott4829 If you think so. I haven't ever had a lawsuit filed against the shop I have been working for, a tire specialised shop. My friend almost lost his wheel on the Autobahn last year, and he got paid without even filing a lawsuit because the shop would have lost either way. New wheel and tire due to the aprentice not torquing it down properly.
@@haiiyouu Your claim about torque is completely false. Not sure what the rest of the dribble has to do with it.
@@haiiyouu It is not uncommon for lugnuts to come loose when driving a car hard. It's best to torque them up before & after a lap.
And you should ALWAYS torque up after driving 50 or so kilometers after changing your tires.
Regardless of the car, one should do a few safety checks before racing around a track.
Hi Misha, please inform the owner he is able to drive the Tesla without the wheel cover which also helps with cooling. Also - if it was cleaned and possibly a bit lowered the OEM wheel looks great!
Also thank you again for providing us with exhilarating content which keeps us on the edge of our seats.
@@bryansigamoney7427 Yeah, those covers are basically cooking those wheels and brakes. Also if Model Y has same brakes as Model 3, and it's bigger and heavier then those brakes don't stand a chance of surviving a full send lap
I once forgot to tighten the nuts (uh, that sounds wrong) on a wheel after a little repair / part replacement. On the test drive, above about 80 km/h afair I noticed vibrations, and I immediately knew what it was and returned home slowly. I can't imagine it not being clearly noticeable, especially if it's on more than 1 wheel.
These have been slowly coming loose since I got the car, some things I noticed over a month went away after tightening the nuts. I have an appointment with Tesla to check for damage. And tomorrow I will check if they are torqued properly still after 600km since the lap.
@@loose_unit roger. Btw., very fitting username for the situation 🤣🤣
@@stoneeh 😂
some neighbours and me had loose wheels two or three times over the last few years. Really bad feeling because whoever does this also tightens the bolts back in a way that you have to drive multiple kilometers until the wheels really get loose.
@@JohnDoe_333 you should check and re-tighten them after about 50-100km drive after a change, and all serious / professional shops will tell you to do so. Avoid any who don't. Then there are those shops / mechanics who, to combat the issue, use about twice the standard 120 to 130 nm of torque that is recommended for most wheels - better avoid those as well, because that can damage the wheels.
I assume it must be so cool to Misha be able to go around the Nürburgring just chilling and getting a nice view of all the details on the track, scenery and all the amazing cars that drive there!
Glad the wheel managed to stay on!
Did a run in a Model 3 Long Range one month ago. With the stock PS 4 tyres. Held up really well actually
Tesla's actually still have a conventional steering system, no "steer by wire" or anything. The (steering) wheel is always physically connected to the (front) wheels.
That was a fun video, I like the chill drive not entirely focused on THAT specific lap itself, just chit chatting & chilling. It's a nice type of video to watch every once in a while.
Next season new tires, brake fluid and brake pads ... And a torque wrench stored in the car to check the nuts after every lap... 😀
If they were torqued properly they would not get loose. Lol
@@carlosoruna7174 Anyway, it is not a bad idea to have such a tool in your car.
@@carlosoruna7174 Musk already cheaping out lol
Fun video. Glad the wheel did not fall off! Crap! Time to go check the lug nuts on my Model Y Performance.
1:55 Low rolling resistance ≠ low grip, it loosely follows, sure, but you can absolutely make a tire with good grip and low rolling resistance, something you'll find fairly quickly if you compare lots of different tires with each other.
A brand new tire 30 years ago would have much lower grip compared to its rolling restistance compared to a brand new one today, and the same thing applies if you compare a cheap chinese tire and an expensive premium one. It's much more about how you design the tire.
0:57 - The way he pressures the wrench with 2 hands when going anti-clockwise... 🤣🤦♂ Lefty loosey, righty tighty hahaha.
I have a Shanghai-built ‘21 model Y LR, it has AWFUL dampers, upgrading to a Berlin-built Model Y Performance next year. It’s not much softer, but the harshness is reduced because the new dampers are a bit more sophisticated 😅 and 500whp should be fun
Sure is great that they has upgraded the suspension on newer builds.
500whp only until 80% SOC, second barrier where you feel some power reduction is below 50% SOC. But you are right the chassis in the P is improved compared to the LR.
@@Arpedk Do You know if you can swap dampers and coils from Berlin to Shanghai one?
@@darekmistrz4364 Should not be a problem. People has changed their suspension for years on the Model 3 and Y, just don't expect Tesla to help you 😅
@@Arpedk I wanted to do the swap in official Tesla Service Center. I don't see a reason why they wouldn't do it. It will also help with warranty as changing it somewhere else might void it
Funny thing: I just showed a friend my first 3 laps and told him how I nearly lost my front left wheel because the bolts were loose and this gets recommended next :D
I'll be sure to bring my torque wrench next time I visit and check the wheels after each lap.
Ideally, I'll plan for more time and let the car cool down between laps, since, as mentioned in the end, Audis have hot brakes after lapping ^^
There are no steer by wire cars on sale, despite @ 10:07
web says " Other notable car models that you can experience drive-by-wire with a steering yoke are the 2022 Toyota bZ4x and the 2023 Lexus RZ450e.Aug 1, 2022"
I don't think it's even legal?
@@danharold3087 knew Tesla definitely didn’t have it and assumed it was a difficult task achieving it at scale for any car manufacturer. Great to learn new stuff
Running those aero covers on the ring was truly sketchy. It almost completely removes brake cooling. You're lucky you didn't boil the fluid.
Literally driving the wheels off it! I share his scare of near death mechanical issues !
I wanted to complain about the clickbait title but it was so fckin close, oh my god 😂
Friend of mine didn’t re-torque wheels after some ring laps and then did a 130mph pull on the autobahn and at the next stop noticed he only had three wheel nuts left on one wheel.
haha my buddy's brother rotated the tires on his jeep and then let us borrow it...except he didn't tighten all the lug nuts down. We were driving it and I heard a loud "ping" noise followed by another one a few minutes later. I told him to pull over and yeah, two lug nuts were missing from the right passenger rear. Just glad we pulled over before it was too late!
Tesla doet geen afleverbeurt zo ver ik weet. Bij een afleverbeurt hoort wielbouten/moeren natrekken, ontzettend veel gedaan in mijn monteurs tijd.
De verse lak van de velgen moet nog plat gedrukt worden door de wielbouten/moeren, bij deze belasting op de Nordschleife gebeurt dat dus heel snel door de hitte en bochten belasting. Dus trek geregeld je bouten/moeren na.
No significantly regen reduction till the end, maybe no significantly battery overheat. Just a guess.
very smooth driving! looks reasonably balanced
I love the way the people in these comments just accept everything at face value, that's part of the reason our society is falling apart everybody.
Our society isn't falling apart
Never trust anyone else or the lug nuts themselves... I always torque down my own wheels, especially before going on track or driving hard.
Had a tire shop not tighten nuts on new rims and tires. I noticed it within a mile and tightened them with no damage.
Love how people who aren’t affected by others owning Teslas hate Teslas the way a father would hate his daughters rapist.. it’s silly, grow some balls and man up.. Enjoy your ICE car and let others decide what’s best for them.
You can add the acceleration boost to the MYLR.
You need to find someone with a Mustang Mach e GT. I know you’re all gonna hate me for saying that but if you ignore the badge it’s actually really good setup wise.
See latest Consumer Report. Removed it from recommended list.
Appearantly the factory brake fluid is pretty weak. Not just the normal weak. Wear as other companies use DOT 4 which dry boils over 400f. Tesla uses DOT3. Not doesn’t mean some performance pads would help. But someone put the carbon discs on and didn’t flush the DOT3 out and boiled the brakes. Just an fyi.
Weak factory fluid? As you pointed out the diff is the boiling point. If your going to track the car upgrade the brakes including the fluid. This car was built to depend on regen braking for most of the stopping effort.
@@danharold3087 so I get what your saying but in reality re-gen doesn’t stop a car. Let alone a car weighing over 5k lbs. it will only slow the vehicle until the batteries are charged then you have to rely on the vehicles brakes. A lot of people driving with the p100d ludicrous loose brakes very quickly . That’s a car with 1000hp. Most manufactures will build the braking system to match the acceleration of there vehicle. It’s becoming very apparent Tesla does not.
One more thing to remember this was on the streets. They were not over cooking it and the vehicle had all season tires.
@@chrispetty5058 there is no P100D with 1000hp, lol. What are you sniffing?
May be time to add a pre-lap inspection - are the lug nuts able to be tightened by hand? Pass/fail
Not really managable
I mean, a monkey can use a torque wrench. Set it to 90 NM, go over all the nuts before. Not that hard.
@@Mp57navy A Tesla needs more than 90 Nm, more like 150-170 Nm. But I agree that would be possible and would be only a few minutes to do that!
@@Mp57navy 90 lol
@@Mp57navy 175Nm
Just to be clear guys, this a long range model y, not the performance version! There is a big difference!
Nobody cares
I like the owner's Miata Tshirt...and I am going to torque my model Y's wheel tonight...I wonder what happened? Since the wheel were not taken off before, really scary stuff.
They dont check the Torque of the wheels at the factory, they just bolt them on. Loose nuts are a common problem on new Teslas it seems.
And then you have track driving on top of that. Driver should have torqued them before driving on track either way though.
Loose lug nuts? I thought only the Fremont builds had these kinds of problems? Why are the Shanghai ones having such issues?
Tesla has said loads of things have been fixed in the past and they never have been. 3's that were sold here in the UK have been shocking despite various issues being 'fixed'. A friend of mine had to hand his back for repairs/fixes and didn't get it back for 2 months during which time Tesla gave him daily uber vouchers as they had no replacements...
Wrong torque specs on assembly production-wide, which is the same in every Tesla factory as they have the same production line equipment in all factories and use the same production specs to standardize production world-wide. Or just poor quality metals used to make the nuts or threaded bolts that cause too much expansion and loosen them. Which is the more likely cause knowing Tesla.
@@CrazyTechLab In a few years Tesla will be done
@@JerainJezza lol good joke.
@@JerainJezza Yeah it is going to choke on all the money it is making.
Wow interesting to see, cant wait to see you on the plaid here!
nice to see a fun tesla carguy lap ! hope to see moore next year!
For people wondering, this wheel nut stuff is not new and was reported on forums previously, and it's also not a matter of where the car is made. It's probably down to wrong torque specs on the assembly line, which is the same in every Tesla factory as they have the same production line equipment like torque guns in all factories and use the same production specs to standardize production world-wide. Or just poor quality metals used to make the nuts or threaded bolts that leads to too much expansion and loosen them. Which is the more likely cause knowing Tesla's cost saving strategies in some other areas of the car.
This is really good info, thank you! I have a service appointment coming because it's not good enough
Who goes to a track before checking the torque on the wheel nuts? It is a requirement on every track inspection sheet that I ever had to fill out before a track day.
It's a "public" road
@@darekmistrz4364 a public road that requires a special pass that not everyone has... Lol idiotic argument.
@@juanmedinar20 Well it is. That is the truth. Google a bit and you will find out. The funniest bit is that if you have car insurance. It's covered on almost whole Nurburging, except the Gran Prix piece of track which is considered race track and private property
Right, checking the torque of my nuts before heading to the shops tomorrow! :)
I checked mine, all were fine... his rim looked like it had been removed before, quite damaged and used up it seems...
I had this problem too. In the Tesla service, they advised that these screws need 180-200Nm. The problem has not occurred since then.
175nm
@@VegarHenriksen Yes officially.
First Adrian, now Joe. (the owner of the green Miata in Adrian's last video), it's like my friends are slowly taking over the channel...
When bolts/nuts are so loose isn't it better to have the car/wheels lifted up to pre-tighten and then lower to torque them?
Lug nuts were sabotaged. Plus who in their right mind would keep the aero wheel conversion on? Lose brake and wheel cooling. What were the tire pressures on those eco tires?
He doesn't have tire pressure light on, and that one turns on under 2.8 BAR
How did you not feel that through the steering wheel!?
03:57 classic super villain laugh🤣
i'm not sure but i believe that the z3 on 10:54 is from the Jp Performance Video.
Maybey the wheels falling off on Toyota EV's is actually true
Nice and easy Lap 😀
no wonder why people say the build quality is crap
funny how five if his ICE cars are broken to his own admission, and Misha has to title the video like this. any car you should torque wheels prior to track day. no-matter the car.
Maybe so, but were there any track day driving in this video? Looks like normal tourist drive to me...
@@GoldenCroc he’s on the “green-he’ll” one of the most demanding on his second lap.. tq the wheels
@@westsiyed Sure, but the a bit tongue in cheek point was that its a toll road from a legal view, and I doubt a lot of people torque their wheels every day going on a normal road. Its best to refer to tourist laps as just going on the nice sunday cruise it legally is, if you ask me.
@@GoldenCroc Driving around the nurburgring at these speeds causes a lot of stress and heat buildup you don't get under normal driving. This is a race track. Always torque up before and after a lap, to make sure everything's ok.
@@logitech4873 Sure, but its not a race track during the the driving in this video, thats what I was getting at. Everything you do here, can also be done on the road and vice versa. I dont disagree its good advice, but we cant demand special treatment.
Tesla:
Our customers don't want working brakes or proper wheels.
„It's all about the Tesla feeling…!“
I can't wait for you to track the 4680/3800lbs Roadster next year! ⚡🔥🚀
Next year? Huh?
@@logitech4873 Next month, but 4680 baterries probably next year.
@@YourFavouriteiA You really think the roadster is coming out next month?
@@YourFavouriteiA Somehow I don't see it coming next month...
@@angela1984a next month is now, and it's already there.
Seriously Lucky you found the loose nut’s at low speed!
It’s okay! That’s why wheels have 5-6 bolts 😂
Good video
No worries with the driveby noise metre!
Wow. Can't believe that the wheels nearly came off. Quality product. Soend 80 grand on a car and you expect perfection. Did ok thou. ✌
80 grand.. for a Model Y LR? it’s ~60k regardless of $ € or £
@@Ianmundo 62k with a towbar and in red
Everyone knows you're supposed to re-torque alloy wheels after the first 500 km after fitting, I'm also fairly sure tesla doesn't fit Hankook tyres, but I could be wrong, as far as I know they only use Michelin and Pirelli.
@@nickwagner9339 If you torque them to spec you should never have to check them. It's standard when the tyre company uses a rattle gun that you should check it, usually within 100km. I have lapped many other cars and swapped wheels myself and had wheels swapped by main dealers and by other shops ... Never have I had an issue with wheel nuts coming loose. This is extremely odd.
@@loose_unit it is good practice in any case, new alloys can squash a bit where the nuts compress in the wheel under heavy cornering loads, that's why you should re-torque new wheels after a while, also because you don't know if the person who last tightened them was competent.
From now on; check the vehicle over before you get on the track. That’s rookie.
Pressures
Fluids
Nuts and bolts
Can you drive the Y performance?? (with track mode, yes it hastrack mode now)
Almost been driving the wheels off?!? ... Again!
Does the Tesla use mechanical brakes for stability control / traction control or only motor power? If mechanical brakes are used, then that would explain why brakes fade so fast.
I assume it will use motor braking first, and then supplement with mechanical brakes.
It uses brakes for stability control, and traction control. They even have some software to "emulate" LSD differential but in reality it's just open diff and brakes being applied
@@darekmistrz4364 Open diff + selective braking + so much power that you can lose traction even with the partial braking applied is as good as a real LSD if you don't mind the brakes heating pretty fast.
A well implemented LSD can simply do the same thing with smaller losses (which means less heat, too).
Do you need to prep a stock car before going onto Nurburgring? What minimum prep would be required?
No it is a public road
Basic safety check of your car.
As a tesla fan, I can say there is two rims on a model 3/Y.
So you ventured out on the track without basic checks? Wheel lugs is a 101 item.
MYLR 514 PS - MYP 534 PS...
380kW then - I never bothered to check the power when I ordered - I chose based on practicality and predicted residuals
@@loose_unit When i bought my first used MS P85D, the 700 Horsepower where a nice "Extra"... 😉
Now i have a MP3 with it's 513 and my Wife a M3SR+ with 325.
It's better to "have" than to "need".😊
@@DeadpoolTesla Hi, and which is faster between Model S P85D 700 and model 3 performance 513? Because some test show that model Y and 3 are faster than the old model S
@@SwiftTurbo I've never had a Speedbox or something like that, to test the speeds.
Because the M3P is much lighter, it felt faster. Maybe it wasn't...
Only thing was, that the MS P85D didn't last long on higher speeds, because of the temperatures. It throttled down the power really fast. The M3P could go much longer on 200+ instead.
Now i have a M3HLR and it's limited to 201 - but it's enough for me.
@@DeadpoolTesla i have test against some different tesla models, and two times with the same guy in model S P85D, and one model Y 514. The model Y was faster than the model S that's i ask, and i saw the same results in some magasin tests
10:55 Na, wer hat den Z3 aus JP's Video erkannt? :D
Misha lo estaba pasando mal jajajajajajajaj. Ese tipo es un suicida
I am now returning my 2018 Tesla because your lug nuts were loose on a video, and not to get views! hahaha. I almost lost a wheel on my 1st car and had 2 nuts left (out of 4) when I finally stopped to investigate the clunking sounds!!! nice job checking
Tesla brakes are good but its mainly a heavy weight problem, Ibelieve
brakes should be matched to the vehicle weight. Look at a truck
Unless you take the car out to the track (I imagine) the existing brakes in combo with the regen are fine.
Actuall tesla owners feel free to correct me.
@@danharold3087 Even without regen they are fine. Trucks are bad example because they cannot drive down the hill without overheating their brakes (in case they forget about jake brake/engine brake).
You can talk about "insufficient braking" if this car stops from 100km/h to 0 in more than 50 meters. But it stops in 35m which is better than most cars with that kind of weight.
@@danharold3087 the brakes are big but the problem is heat dissipation which is always limited by fairly the same surface area relatively speaking.
Trucks have a jake brake for this reason and also rely on engine braking just like tesla relies on regen
You put bug brakes you get brake performance and a force to slow down the disks as the heavy car pushes the front wheel into the ground giving front grip (low chance wheel lock) but the only problem you have left is heat dissipation
Only brake ducting or magically adding heat exchange surface area would solve the problem
@@darekmistrz4364 My point is you find larger brakes as the vehicle weight goes up. Physics you know. Just for fun your case for trucks 'kind of' holds for cars too. Cars don't have gravity trying to pull 80K downhill. On pikes peak cars have the same problem. There is a checkpoint 1/2 way down. Cars with hot brakes get to wait while they cool off. Not talking the race here.
The brakes are fine. They aren’t made to be run on a race track period. The car is billed as an compact SUV 99.9 percent of model Y LR aren’t ever going to drive their cars like that much less a track 😂.
Tesla quality ❤
holy shit glad u survived lmfao
also glad no whompy wheel during lap !! (what i thought was gonna happen bc of the title lmao)
loved the like just tossing it into corners too fast and letting the weight scrub speed off during a 4wheel drift until the speed was slower and he hit grip and just how smooth that whole thing was bc of the low center of gravity
very cool
Don’t buy a Tesla suv for the track just take one of the other broken cars right lol 😆
Umm yeah. Someone messed up. I think it was you.
Does the model Y come with Hankook tires stock?
Depends on configuration, my Model Y came with Michelin Pilot Sport EV tyres because I purchased the induction wheel upgrade. But base wheels come with Hankook tyres, yes.
(tyre noises)
Standard Suspension?
it did alright, for a bad choices only run.
Shouldn't you guys have helmets on ?
It's a kind of one way "public" road with no speed limit. Theoretically not needed
Checking wheel torque was part of the PDI process... But now Tesla doesn't do any of that. Good luck.
Tesla buyers should have the option to pay an optional dealer prep fee and have the car prepped. Kinda of funny looked on the web to see what dealers were charging and most were saying it is a scam! Well idk $500 to tighten the wheels and spray a bit of silicone spray on the squeaky bits seems reasonable to me. Yes I am being sarcastic.
@@danharold3087 Tesla service centers have no time to do PDIs. They are jam packed with cars that have no heat right now, cars with motor issues and suspension failures... In Norway backlog for months. Typical amazing Tesla experience
@@dasteknoviking Seriously is it bad cars or a lack of service centers? both?
the musical sound of the e92 passing an ev so so sad. lol
175nm, then it will not come off
I never checked the wheels after purchase and before racing my car on nurburg, one of the most dangerous tracks.
"Moral of the story-dont buy a Tesla"
Dude wut
It is kind of funny. The ICE word is plagued with bad engines and transmissions from trying to squeeze too many mpg's out of them but Tesla gets dinged over loose wheel nuts.
@@danharold3087 Its still Tesla owner who jokes about not buying car he owns.
Years of media bs taking every quote out of context made me oversensitive tho
Tesla at it again with their great car quality.. I'd much rsther have any other electric car brand (if I had to)
Nobody is forcing you to buy a tesla.
You will literaly buy a worse car, because of something that can be checked in 15 minutes with a wrench?
But nice looking wheels with plastic caps on it?
Maximize mileage up to smth like 15 miles
Stock Wheels of the MYLR...
@@DouEditz It depends on speed. The faster you go, the more aerodynamics play role and this wheel covers lowers aero drag
@@darekmistrz4364 i used to sell them
Nearly 5k pounds and only 5 lugs.... brilliant.
Hey, I think you are after a big story. Now go, go and find out how many lug nuts a fat X7 has.
Wow.... That's a new rock bottom for tesla on the Nürburgring.
The "performance" brakes almost start a big fire and here the wheel almost rolls away.
I love Tesla but you shouldn't drive them at its limits
Actually it's not the fault of the car, one should always torque the wheel properly before going on a race track with it. It's common sense IMO.
@@marco3710 Imo wheels should sit perfectly after the car is being delivered from the dealer^^
That's what torque wrenches are for
@@marco3710 They were untouched from factory lol
Our Chinese model 3 had loose axial bolts all-round... This and the wheel bolts are so obvious to catch that they can't have any QC in place. Great cars, but would not want to own one outside warranty.
Jeeze, that's gotta be a scary find after a lap
Might have been someone trying to pull a prank though, loosening wheel bolts has been a trend lately on sites like tiktok
Tesla is such a great car builder.
The last car I'd take on a track is a Tesla.
Run what you got 😊
C30 T5, nice car man😉
Of course if you use the non performance on a track it doesn't make any sense
I know whats wrong with it, It aint got no gas in it
Tesla is trash but the hype is real lol
Deathtraps them Teslas
Lowest probability of injury of any vehicle ever tested by NHTSA and Euro NCAP.
@@waynerussell6401 but wheel nuts are lose from factory 👍🏼👍🏼
@@webbage All line tools are digitally connected to the AI including torque wrenches.
Every step for every car is recorded against that VIN.
All cars are self homologized.
Tesla is a decade ahead in manufacturing, and safety (Munro).
czcams.com/video/JOAI1uzZMU4/video.html
@@waynerussell6401 What AI?
@@webbage Track use generates a lot of heat around the brakes and rims. It's a good idea to torque up lugnuts on any car before & after a run.
Wise words "don't buy a Tesla".
Not bad,....if only Tesla weren't all so shit to look at,in particular the model Y,it's Subaru Tribeca,Pontiac Aztec level gopping.
That is crazy! Glad it didn’t fall off, Just shows the bad build quality of Tesla.
The wheels are mounted the same way wheels are mounted on any other car :)
It's a good idea to check torque on lugnuts before you take any car around a race track.
So we have once case here of loose wheel nuts. But Toyota recall every single BZ4X, So obviously Tesla quality is better than Toyota.
Do you see how lame this bit of anecdotal evidence is regarding build quality.
It shows you have no clue about cars, nothing else.
great video as always but that’s a shit car that tesla
Built quality came out of a Asian manufacture
tesla are sadly dogshit on wheels,super fast and fantastic to drive but the built quality is atrocious.