I think the whole ‘pitch’ issue is a matter of degrees. Every senior cricket nation prepares pitches under some influence of their home side’s management and players. It’s really case of how extreme this becomes. There are no proper guidelines or protocols. Every nation makes it up as they go along. The authorities need to start providing clearer guidance rather than just fining countries who fail to meet standards. There needs to be more education and regulation. IMHO
There are fairly defined rules its more just that due to the corruption discussed in this vid, its hard to really come down on repeated offences. India are basically designed as a cricketing institution to find loopholes around this.
@@samwheaton8591 What corruption are you talking about ? Hope you wasn't Refering to anything by Guha that guy lives in the land of conspiracy theories. Barely said anything intelligible.
Mate here is the thing - cricketers today can’t play on hard conditions and the whole thing is exacerbated by pitches also going extreme. I would rather concentrate on the controllable which is the pitch and hope to watch 4 days of a test match atleast. Maybe in minority but I’m not to unhappy my team lost in Indore.
@@TheKbthakur The corruption of the BCCI, institutionally and systematically putting things in to place in Indian cricket which go against the spirit of the game. Indian commentators cant even criticise their players anymore or be at risk of losing their job. The curator is walking around in team india jerseys while chatting to the coach on day 1! The captain is requesting certain pitches!
Grace Harris has the best banter and on-field character in world cricket! Kohli and Smith are shy relative to her! Will be an epic chat if you get to do a long podcast with her. Won't be surprised if she beats you at your game!
‘High priest of whataboutary’ - There could not be a more apt term to describe him. Never comments on the merit of the issue in question. Always indulges in whataboutary.
@@jaswindersinghnarula4379 time for a refresh, frankly I’m a bit tired of just getting ex cricketers to talk cricket even if they have poor communication skills
As a fellow Bangalorean, I'm proud of Ramchandra Guha . I may not agree with everything he says but atleast he's not a puppet who blindly paraphrases the powers that be whether it's politics or cricket. We need more views like this. 👍
BOIS, please catch Mr Guha for a full 1hr sit down and ask him detailed questions of the conflict of interest he noticed etc...all the stuff he mentioned in commonwealth of cricket, plus also dig out some cricketer gossips which would be fun
I agree with Guha on most of the points... we want a good 5-day cricket if we lose so be it means we are not good enough but I think comparing Modi with Hitler is quite an exaggerated opinion after what Hitler did. It's fashionable nowadays to call him anything and everything.
I have watched many of your podcast but I’m kind of dissatisfied with this because you guys are associating yourself with local politics that man should not be invited in a cricket podcast. He acts like a mouthpiece of opposition party of India which was very evident and he is a communist hypocrite who got many benefits from the current opposition party when it was in power and now he is criticising about state sponsorship? His statements were more focus on PM Modi rather than cricket! He compared prime minister of INDIA with Hitler! Maybe this stuff is normal in AUSTRALIA but your podcast maybe consider as political and an attempt to defame PRIME MINISTER of INDIA.
I am becoming a fan of this podcast now, leaving netflix and prime for it. Educating, entertaining and alot of funny Aussie Trash, lol. Cant wait for the Ashes Episodes, Baz Ball vs the Never Say Never Aussies and a bonus episode of the World Test Championship as well Thanks for the Ramachandra Guha part as well
Agree on so many points Ramachandra Guha said. Players and ex-players should grow a spine and speak out on things which matter. Absolutely, need an independent commentary team, not a bcci vetoed one.
Love the show as always .. just a couple of points I can’t quite agree with. 1. I wouldnt call the pitches resulting in a lottery result as if that was the case india wouldnt be winning >90% of the games at home when they prepare the pitch to suit thier strengths. 2. The english conditions with a dukes ball makes it very alien conditions for most south asian teams.. Why don’t we ever discuss not using Dukes ball as it can be unplayable in the first 15/20 overs of the test.? However as an india fan, i would never find myself blaming English conditions, instead I always want my team to improve to tackle english/aussie conditions.. which india has done well to a great degree in recent history. The only issue i really have with india preparing these extremely spin friendly pitches it that i feel India will become complacent and end up with results like 3rd test. Which despite being india fan, I was kinda glad they got a stung by thier own trick. Keep up the good work! Love all your videos.
It was Ian Chappell long ago who said that the reason he doesn't commentate in Ind Aus series, is because of the clause in BCCI contract that prohibits him to comment on selection. Absurd
Bois! I loved the way you addressed the pitch issue. As a cricket fan from India, it is sad and sickening to see our media, commentators and former players have just felt silent to criticize our administration and it’s way of working. I loved your chat with Ramchandra Guha, one of the few voices who still fairly criticizes our cricket scene.
I have a feeling that this Ram Guha interview will blow up more than that infamous RCB Interview 😂 Safe to say that the Boys will never be invited to the Star Sports Lunch show
Thank you boys. Genuinely proud of you guys for getting Guha and discussing cancerous themes which we all know exist and are spreading through Indian cricket, but no media outlet/ex-cricketer has the balls to talk about.
@@yasinjamal7517 If you've known anything about Ram or read his books you wouldn't be surprised. His words and actions have always been morally upright and truthful ever since I've known about him; which is more than 10 years now.
Boy oh boy the elitism. How come Bengaluru and Kolkata fans are better than rest of us. There 50+ international stadiums, whu shouldn't new cities should host the test match?
I enjoyed the commentary by Guha, it is good to hear all perspectives to understand any issue. We already hear the perspective from the BCCI commentators during every game, therefore, it was refreshing to hear a different viewpoint on TGC. I doubt we would on Star Sports!
Ramachandra Guha is openly slamming an elected prime minister voted by a vast majority of the country and comparing with Gadafi and Saddam Hussain. What a narcissist. So if everytime my leader doesn't win, that person is a dictator ? People like Ramachandra Guha and his communist party has no respect for democracy. As a bengali , I feel ashamed that he is a bengali as well.
You guys got Ram Guha? What? That's legendary. I'd say he's India's best nonfiction writer at the moment. People in India hate him because he's not a propaganda stooge of the present government and waxes lyrical about Nehru (while pointing out his flaws too - read India After Gandhi, he tears into Nehru for the '62 debacle with China) so it's a bit of a risk for your view count to have him on.
@@vickramanshu Bro. Read his books. He calls out every side for transgressions. He has his own beliefs and sticks to them, which is the prerogative of any writer or human being, but he doesn't follow any party's line. Like I said in my comment, he called out his own hero Nehru on multiple occasions in his books.
@@harish1105 It's okay man. There are some people so allergic to contextual perspectives about Indian history that they simply make such blanket statements. Notice none of these trolls could quote what they don't like Guha, other than using Twitter-fed words like "biased" and "propaganda" ?
Maybe you dont listen to Vikrant Gupta and co. They are shouting their lungs out on what is happening. Or maybe you dont value them because they are dark skinned and speak in hindi.
@@shaqontherun I dont care. I was addressing that guy who is saying no Indian journalist is asking questions without listening to some of the top Indian sports journalist.
Great interview with Ram guys. Really important to hear some truth spoken on the subject, and to get an insight into the psychology of the BCCI and some of the understandable (if unacceptable) behaviours they carry out.
1:40:50 Guha needs to brush up his Knowledge on Indian Sports . You Just can't deny the achievements of our Hockey Team , our Shuttlers, Our Wrestlers and the new age athletes like Neeraj , Sreeshankar etc .
bro - wrestlers are protesting in India and nobody was there for them And how many hockey players' name a common Indian know ? You know it's very few and it's maybe those who have bollywood movies about them
While I agree and acknowledge the achievements of these athletes, we are definitely world beaters in any of these sports like we are in cricket. Guha could have put it differently but in essence, it’s true.
Slippery slope boys. Guha is a historian but he's hardly neutral. He's been a Gandhi family lackey for most of his career. People like him have been used by Gandhi family in the past to deride and demonize its principal opposition, BJP, which has been in power for the last 10 years. The whole gang was called 'Lutyens media', appealing to an anglicized/elitist audience, demonizing any political thought/leader which is not Congress. There are plenty who will disagree with his characterization of Modi.. Stick to the sport please. If not, at least make an attempt to get neutral observers instead of people with an agenda. This amounts to misleading audiences who might not know any better.
Pez, on his high horse, will call you an Indian nationalist probably. Higgo will make a Khawaja modi joke, and the anglicised elites who like their shit will clap like seals.
Bois you should know about that Ashwin video--I think what he meant by the title and the thumbnail may have gotten lost in translation. From what he described in the video in Tamil, I think the title was meant more to capture and comment on the general sentiment in the media of "how the hell are we supposed to bat for five days against spin in India?" than "here, let *me* teach you how you should play against spin in India". It was still a little cheeky, but perhaps not arrogant in the way you might be thinking.
BOIS! After hearing your passionate speech of just how much the Aus team have overcome and shown what real toughness is, I am now rooting for you to win at Ahmedabad. Hopefully that (and maybe the championship) will be enough for your media to start rooting for Cummins and the team.
world already watched what is real toughness in Gabba, u go and first try to score at least a single double century first or bowl the world fastest ball to be called the world so called best team 🤣🤣🤣
This isn’t discourse. He cant stop talking about politics that too biased and half truths. He is no cricket expert, just an ex establishment elite who is now pissed that India is moving away from its colonial tendencies
Preparing bad pitches started under Ravi Shastri. The first instance was in 2015 against South Africa. Then against England in 2021. Anil Kumble was the coach for 1 year in the middle. During that period India played 3 home series in the 2016-17 home season. We played 3 Tests against New Zealand, 5 Tests vs England and 4 Tests against Australia on some good pitches (except for Pune) and ended up winning 3-0, 4-0 & 2-1 respectively. The only Test we lost was against Australia on a rank turner in Pune. Kumble was removed because Kohli wanted his yes-man Shastri back and we went back to preparing dust bowls in 2021 again. I was not surprised to see these pitches under a Shastri who was a mediocre cricketer himself but I am very very disappointed to see these pitches under Dravid.
Correct!. he is the main culpirit!. But i understand why he did it. he was nationalist so was sunil gavaskar. Every country make pitches suit their players. Why india have to make flat or green pitches? Issue is not spin putches issue is 2 1/2 day pitches. These fools are robbing fans of 2 days of cricket. BCCI with all the money cant pay some consultant to make pitch that last 5 days? Too much looting going on with JAY SHAH. He is hoarding all his bcci loot in swiss bank
@@freespeech515 See they are preparing 2 1/2 days pitches so that players stay fresh for IPL... LOL! I'm seeing Cricket since 1993 and India always scored 500 and then pummeled the opposition by sheer pressure of the total. Now its just pathetic cricket. What happened in 2001 Ind Aus series can never happen again if this trend continues.
As an Indian who is disappointed with the pitches during this tour, and one who can also recognise the impact of the vestiges of imperialism on India (yes, these things can be exclusive of each other), I am SO pumped you had Ram Guha on your pod. A free-thinking independent voice of reason who isn’t beholden to the BCCI paydays (#CredPayday ofc) , he is always a good man to listen to. I’m disappointed in some of my fellow countrymen who turn a blind eye to the sheer scale of BCCI bullying in the cricketing world. We weren’t okay when England and Aus did it in previous decades, we shouldn’t be okay with the BCCI doing it during the #AsianCentury. For the health of the sport, I hope Indians don’t get so blinded by our team winning constantly that we tolerate the BCCI not caring about fans in stadiums, not uploading highlights to CZcams, and most importantly, not equally distributing the spoils of the sport with other cricket boards.
I think they distribute the spoils quite fairly that’s y the boards don’t stop players from going . And on the bullying part I completely agree with u , unfortunately that’s how all the powers in the world to this date have behaved , bcci should be more open especially now with the powers they’ve . Hope it improves as we go alony
If Guha's comments were exclusively about cricket, then fine. But it's not. He's partisan, and he's sees everything through the prism of Indian politics. He's unofficially the opposition whether you acknowledge it or not. It's like bringing subramanian swamy on during UPA years onto any pod on any issue. It's partisan.
#asktgc With pitches, another angle that needs to be explored is that India now feels comfortable with England and Australia throwing green, seaming, bouncy wickets at them. Given they have kind of outgrown their fears over playing at such wickets, but Australia and England (and SA) haven't, India tries to maximise their home advantage knowing they can't be much worse off going overseas anymore. Power and mind games! My question though is.. Day 2 of the Indore Test match was pulsating! The cat and mouse chase and the thrill of India possibly setting a decent 4th innings target was real. Inspite of the pitch, I enjoyed the test match! Purely from the angle, it was a fun test. We need tests to remain fun. Can't we let India be an exception? Why does every test need to last for 4 day or more? There are so many layers to this obviously.. I am just looking at the positive here. Big Fan. Keep em' coming. Cheers. Maddy
Calling him woke won't justify the fact that day1 tickets of Ahmedabad test weren't available for purchase for fans. If cricket community is scared of asking these questions, someone else will
I found most of the stuff he said refreshing, you can't just wave away his genuine criticism of BCCI and for other's reluctance to criticise them due to the IPL gravy train for something as wishy washy as "wokeness". I thought he explained his viewpoints through logic.
The likes of Gavaskar, Rohit Sharma taking the odd 50+ run partnership riddled with a 1000 play and misses as a shining example of how these are perfectly good pitches to bat on is just funny.
For the coach to come out now and say all 3 pitches are bad is very cheeky ! As if to suggest that earlier 2 games are a fluke and discredit all performances. Also a very convenient position if they were to either win or lose the next game . I think Australia actually mastered the art to play in the last game . The pitch as it turned out on last day seems to somehow look very easy to bat when there is no stress and Aus lost that one wicket only … so is the pitch really the problem or skill ?
It feels wrong to say this for just 49 not out, but Head's knock in the second dig was one of the best innings I've seen. He showed great restraint and defensive technique for the longest time and once the ball was changed and Ashwin overpitched, unleashed a devastating array of shots to take them to victory on what could have been a very tricky chase.
Fact Check: India send a delegation of 122 competitors in Tokyo Olympics, 2020 and India won 7 medals including much talked about first time ever gold at track and field event by Neeraj Chopra. At 1:41:10 the Self-Proclaimed "Historian" lied that India send 300 participants only to win 2 medals. PS: I am not proud of the fact that we won 7 medals at the Olympics but given the sporting infrastructure, the history of Olympics sports, no of people playing Olympics sports in India, we gave the best ever performance in Tokyo Olympics. In future, we will do much better in all sports much to the disappointment of "Spinner of Yarn Historians"
@@akashneel2888 but it's not his fault when BCCI are literally making a political rally for 4th Test and not to forget super biased commentary and pitch
@@shbhmmn the commentary has been this bad from a very long time. And who can blame them. Harsha once said something and the old chap lost his job. Also the pitch has been good in the first 2 matches and was shit in the 3rd and Australia played amazingly well to get the win. But it's a one off thing. Hopefully we can have a better pitch on the 4th test. Yes the political rally has been around for many years now. Not just Modi, but there were multiple prime minister who had invited the visiting team country leaders to watch the match.
@@akashneel2888 Dude the stadium is literally named after the PM and no rally has been organised like the 4th Test in the past. Yeah Poor Harsha lost his job because of thise Amitabh and Dhoni tweets. I feel biased commentary and pitches are not because of BCCI but player's and coaches. Rohit and Dravid should provide entertaining cricket rather than such biased pitches for all of us. During Sachin and Ganguly era potches were not this kind of biased. Even Dhoni era was fine but after England 2021 pitches are horribly biased. I don't even feel happy after winning compared to our away victories. I wish we can make pitches like Sachin era where they were biased but not this kind of
@@shbhmmn is Modi's political show exaggerated? Yes. But it has happened before. About players not having a say about Harsha loosing his job? I do not think so. I don't think they really care about who say what about them. I think it's BCCI trying to assert their dominance and hence this poor grade of commentary. About the pitch. Yes the pitch was bad but just as you said it's beed this bad since 2021 which is very recent. Hopefully we will have better pitches than Indore
Honestly great to listen to Guha’s insights, agree with most of it. But I think it is only fair to point out guhas blatant bias (all in good faith as everyone is biased one way or the other) so here goes :- 1) Guha says that modi and shah have ingressed into cricket the most out of any politician. Completely false as Sharad pawar ( congress leader )( who I’m sure is good friends with guha) had to literally be pushed out of 2007 wc celebrations by Ricky pointing , surely everyone has seen that embarrassing video. Another case is of Rajiv shukla who sticks to the bcci like a termite even after his party being out of power for so many years 2) only fair argument here is that there’s a kind of bipartisan consensus between the parties to be involved in cricket 3) on the naming of stadium after politicians ( which I absolutely hate ) Guha fails to mention about the hundreds of stadiums in this country named after the Gandhi dynasty who again I’m sure r good friends with guha. 4) I’m not really sure how u can make a political rally out of a cricket match that Guha alludes to , it’s not like he’s going to give a speech . Only fair that he steps in a stadium that was his brainchild.(but again shouldn’t have been named after him ) That’s all , great to listen to some very pertinent points raised by Guha which need to be worked on.
One more thing that he failed to mention. Bcci needs to work on improving the fan experience. They absolutely take the fans for granted and take advantage of their desperation to watch their idols play
@@avirawat81 honestly no problem with that , that’s the best thing about india that we’ve so many different views . Just point out the bias , take the good points and move along
those who are doing sandpaper scandals, ball tempering, sexting scandals, day in, and day out trying to lecture others on discipline, politics, and whatnot.
Dude it takes time , I’d say we r improving at a really fast place . In fact we won 7 medals last olympics not 2 as Guha alludes to . We r good at hockey badminton wrestling boxing n shooting
@@angirashah5157 1 gold, 2 silver and 4 bronze, you're right 7 medals. And the fact that we forget is not good, because they're such forgettable victories, i only remember Neeraj Chopra the javlin thrower because he got us the gold. We really need to become good in all the sports. Once we become good in other sports, I'm sure we'll have more people supporting that sport. This happened for cricket too, after winning 83 World Cup.
@@Xinnie_The_Flu what do u mean they’re forgettable, need to go step by step, can’t just leap to winning 100 golds , it’s a process and we’ve to value each one of the medals coz that’s the only way forward
Ram Guha is a talented author. I have loved the 3 books that I've read so far. Absolutely agree with him on this ticket issue, and I hope the separate booth helped some fans. But he has a political bias and his jibes in name of cricket are very uncharitable of him. To use the comparison of one of the most terrible persons in human history, with a current leader of a country elected by millions. Comparison to Saddam Hussein and the Kim dynasty may be his personal preference, but I bet he is misleading people that the PM has himself gone and named the stadium after himself. I personally would've waited for his political career to get over and then the stadium named after him, and I think the nomenclature has always been involved in India to honour past contributors to State Associations, however, I will not make the jibes and the comparisons to the infamous men from the past. To his statement "political involvement has never been so visible", one only needs to look at the parallel years when Sharad Pawar was both the Union Minister and very influential in the BCCI, as well as later in the MCA. Current opposition politician from Congress, Rajiv Shukla has also been a long part of the BCCI. Just because someone is the son of a prominent politician, doesn't mean you cannot work anywhere significant. He blamed the IPL for everything. Without the IPL, would have never heard of players like Siraj, Gaikwad, Samson, Pant, Bumrah, Pandya, Sundar, and Natarajan. If not for IPL, we would have 4 players from Mumbai, 3 from Delhi, and 1 each from Karnataka, Bengal, Tamil Nadu, and Punjab/Saurashtra. It has given opportunities to so many young cricketers who before IPL would make nothing for the amount of talent they showed in first-class cricket. IPL employs people but it never holds down its commentators, they have criticised players and all, and even now Haydos called Indore's pitch rubbish and zero backlash was there. About Gavaskar, maybe Mr. Guha failed to highlight that he criticized Virat Kohli when he was in poor form, and the lack of temperament by Rishabh Pant in crucial scenarios. Nationalism as Mr Guha paints it in a bad light, is only a dirty word in Europe, and it is not wrong to hope your country is at the top, but India never said it needs to be top at the expense of others. I am pretty sure Rama Guha would've enjoyed the test at Sonia Gandhi Stadium as Sonia Gandhi being the PM, and nobody would mind and they shouldn't have. I like the in-house broadcasting of the BCCI as it helps to maintain several IPs and the board can use content and better promote itself. It is just like the UFC and WWE who have proved that in-house broadcasting is workable.
The fact that you watch this podcast and in any way don't understand glaring allusions that Pez and higgos are not on your side and never will be is hilarious. They have given enough hints but aren't through and through political so I understand why the subtlety might bounce over your tiny head.
It's rather unfortunate that their career is entangled with Indian views so they can't be overtly critical of this regime because let's get this straight, our people don't come here after a bad session of a test match, really frail to the bone so tolerating criticism on your superdad might give you a cardiac arrest. But don't mistake their subtlety for an allegiance with you in any way, that would be pathetic reading between the lines.
When England played in India last, the first pitch was pretty well balanced something in it for the pace bowlers, England win that test, then the 2nd test is a minefield and over in 2 days.
The first test was definitely not a well balanced pitch. It too heavily favoured the team who won the toss. In some sense the spinning pitches that followed for the rest of the series were fairer wickets because the toss was less of a factor.
@Sunil Jain agreed but not just that. No one in life is perfect. But at the moment the best option who is ensuring national development. Infrastructure, Economy, Pandemic response, Foreign policy, Article 370, Development in North east are some good points of BJP too.
@Sunil Jain I can see the can of worms right now. Internal affairs and many issues where mudi is ineffective. The only future i think is a split in bjp and a true Hindu party emerges from it. First lady?
hitler has made it to the tgc I see. Ram Guha may need to catch up on the last few decades of Tamil Nadu politics. May surprise him to know Roads, bazaars, Nagars named after living chief ministers. Gujjus have nothing on Dravidian self indulgence. Heck, a CM even named his son after a mass murderer, and he;s now the current CM😅
Thanking you guys for not being afraid to speak out against the corruption of the Indian Government and BCCI! Money isn’t the problem, the political corruption is! You’re doing a huge service to India without even knowing it 👏
As fans of Indian cricket, we deserve better a better board than this. I trust Ashwin and Jaddu to outclass visiting bowlers even if the pitch doesn’t turn square on 1st day!
I don't think many Indians are happy with the pitches that are being created over the past 3-4 years. These pitches are completely unfair to the batters of both the teams and seems more like a landmine than a cricket pitch.
In fact these kind of pitches even out the skills of the players . A Zak crawley and a Kohli are equally good (or bad ) on these type of pitches. Think of it this way , if u haven’t studied for the exams u would want the paper to be as hard as it can be so that even those who studied can’t answer. So bcci is kind of self sabotaging here
You guys need to go watch some Jarrod Kimber- he just put out a video about the indian top order, and the deck as well. He's an aussie but he doesn't rely on pitch slander in the same way. Worth checking out.
Was fun to listen to before the political rant of Guha. We had brilliant pitches in 2016-17 when Anil Kumble was the coach under the same political setup.We even had a test in Kolkata where bhuvaneshwar Kumar picked a 5fer vs NZ. I would rather question the team management for such pitches than calling Modi a Hitler or Mussolini
This man no doubt is vexed with Modiphobia as all other political oppositions but what he is saying today about cricket and India's bully attitude is absolutely right. As a fan we surely want to be at the top but without this bullying behaviour.
Ohh for fuck sack how have we become the bullies? Certainly not because of the reasons this guy has enumerated because there is a stadium named after the current prime minister? Or because kolkata and banglore didn't get a test match? Some stupid conspiracy about the tickets for the 4th tests? I can see the point about the pitches but just because we have gone overboard with spinning tracks in a few games it makes us the big bad bully?
@@TheKbthakurover spinning tracks not in a few pitches but it became a regularity in every test game. Frankly test matches in Eng and Aus is far more interesting and enjoyable
@@theconservativeone2690 There is no problem in preparing turning tracks every country has a right to home advantage. Yes there have been a few three days test wickets and we probably should move away from them but the whole hue and cry about India running the world cricket on its whims is ridiculous.
I'd forgotten the context of this Australia win, it was def a big win - think it only loses some steam because of how quickly they pulled it off. It's funny to see the difference between these and the wpl totals, hopefully Ahmedabad is a more reasonable pitch
For me the pitch debate isn't about home advantage. It's about spectacle. Test matches unique in being a 5 day format. Pitch should be prepared accordingly. Consistent 2.5 day tests across different touring sides suggest that the wickets aren't sporting. As you say, luck /skill ratio is off with these wickets and they become boring to watch after the novelty of wicket gluttony wears off
is that because he rightly compared mogi to hitler, mussolini and gaddafi?? and said whats right, or did u see stupid commentary of dinesh karthik?? whats wrong about what Guha said, this guy guha is 100 times the scholar 4th fail fascist pm could ever be
Well done Boiss! That must have been a difficult choice! Glad to see you decided to kep your spine. It's a fine specimen... Hope you get to keep it straight for years to come. Cheers :)
Wait for Ashwin to make a 100 on a 'rank- turner' in Ahmedabad and make a CZcams video explaining to you in person why he is eligible to talk about how to play spin in India. #PinThis
As an Indian Christian, in my opinion, Modi has been a very balanced Prime Minister. Yes he is a hindu nationalist But that is not necessarily a bad thing. India has always been the land of Dharmic culture and Sanatan Dharma. So it is only normal that the PM of this country upholds that culture. My only major issue with BJP( not Modi) is their obsession with promotion of hindi to make it a lingua franca which will make south Indians feel betrayed as little effort is being made to teach Tamil and other south indian languages amongst the northern states Lol Modi is definitely not like hitler That Ramachandra guha is one mad fellow 😂 I hope Modi wins next time 😊
Looks like boys got sledged a bit too much on this Indian trip. Too much of pitch talk boys and to bring home the point you find Ramachandra Guha? There is a reason why he is quite a divisive figure on Indian social media. Hope you get off these tactics and get back to what made this channel fun to watch. There was no humour today. Only ramblings. Australia got 200 on it and then 70 plus for 1 so cant be that bad? I remember green Sydney pitch from 2000 or India getting bowled out for 100 and 66 whilst South Africa got just 200 plus in first innings themselves at Durban in 1997. All the talk at the time was about how poor Indian batsmen were against pace bowling. This was the time when India didn't have 3 proper pace bowlers on the team sheet. So to brush it all aside with just 1 Perth match does not cut with Indian supporters. Get over it. Australia got rolled over in Australia and they will get rolled over in final test and then again in that final in England. :) #AskTGC
As an Indian I am pleased that boiss hosted Mr Guha. Very few Indians are talking the truth abt cricket nowadays on the record. I feel cringe when I watch cricket on Indian channels. Especially Star channels. These star guys ran a shit segment at some point in the past which was called 'Super V' showing Kohli's cartoon avatar as a superhero between innings breaks of matches. Wtf? And from that point Virat Kohli's form started declining.
I have always been advert of what Ramachandran Guha is . This podcast has always been my favourite not because of just their dark humour and it just this podcast validated me how good information not content these guys cover . kudos , BOYSSSSS!!
Can't they use Hawkeye data to decide whether the pitches are substandard or not. Looking at degree of spin, seam movement, evenness of bounce, and pace etc and then rate it according to that. Excessive degree of spin from day 1 will result low scoring games and shouldn't be allowed in test cricket. Pace and bounce in Australia is even and consistent through the course of 5 days generally (occasional exceptions when cracks appear at the WACA etc), seam movement is minimal as well - but that's why its not a fair comparison to say Australia does the same. We haven't had the famously fast pitches in recent series against India anyway either - they've all been flat roads. Seam and swing in England and South Africa are occasionally excessive as well like Trent Bridge 2015 for example but the difference is they flatten out as the pitch gets dryer after that initial difficult period
Thanks for introducing me to this impressive man - Ram Guha, will definitely be getting hold of his literature. Although, in Ahmedabad I want to see the curator having a cup of tea with Dravid at lunch fully clad in BCCI/India kit, and we can throw In Modi hob nobing with the players for good measure as well. Safety!
The interview with Mr. Guha is one of the best interviews I have seen on this channel. Wonderful to see TGC doing this.
Ram Guha genuinely loves the game. So refreshing. Takes guts to speak that way, but also appreciate the boys letting the cricket fan speak unfiltered
Ramachandran guha the main reason for politicization of sport...Guha is a pain all over the body a biased fan
I think the whole ‘pitch’ issue is a matter of degrees. Every senior cricket nation prepares pitches under some influence of their home side’s management and players. It’s really case of how extreme this becomes. There are no proper guidelines or protocols. Every nation makes it up as they go along. The authorities need to start providing clearer guidance rather than just fining countries who fail to meet standards. There needs to be more education and regulation. IMHO
There are fairly defined rules its more just that due to the corruption discussed in this vid, its hard to really come down on repeated offences. India are basically designed as a cricketing institution to find loopholes around this.
@@samwheaton8591 What corruption are you talking about ? Hope you wasn't Refering to anything by Guha that guy lives in the land of conspiracy theories. Barely said anything intelligible.
Mate here is the thing - cricketers today can’t play on hard conditions and the whole thing is exacerbated by pitches also going extreme. I would rather concentrate on the controllable which is the pitch and hope to watch 4 days of a test match atleast. Maybe in minority but I’m not to unhappy my team lost in Indore.
@@TheKbthakur The corruption of the BCCI, institutionally and systematically putting things in to place in Indian cricket which go against the spirit of the game. Indian commentators cant even criticise their players anymore or be at risk of losing their job. The curator is walking around in team india jerseys while chatting to the coach on day 1! The captain is requesting certain pitches!
@@samwheaton8591 what about gabba pitch or micheal vaughan comments
Hitler, Stalin, Putin, Mussolini? Fuck!
I thought this was a cricket channel.
Grace Harris has the best banter and on-field character in world cricket!
Kohli and Smith are shy relative to her! Will be an epic chat if you get to do a long podcast with her. Won't be surprised if she beats you at your game!
You interviewed R Guha, wow! I enjoy your channel but now I respect you for the courage to show full interview. Well done Boys!
The best time I've ever had on tgc. Thanks blokes. At last, the things i sensed for the period were revealed/ confirmed.
Sunil Gavaskar is a high priest of BCCI - wow...nailed it!
High priest of what aboutary is the line of the episode
‘High priest of whataboutary’ - There could not be a more apt term to describe him. Never comments on the merit of the issue in question. Always indulges in whataboutary.
@@nishantkhanna8222 And he praises Indian players a bit too much when they dont even deserve half of it!
@@jaswindersinghnarula4379 time for a refresh, frankly I’m a bit tired of just getting ex cricketers to talk cricket even if they have poor communication skills
Excellent interview of Ram Guha. So happy to hear a sensible and measured Indian voice.
WPL has been awesome, thanks to the Aussie glory.🏁
Thank bcci for taking your players and paying them a good price
@@sammy1735 BCCI is not doing charity. They earned a good $700 million off this already.
@@sharif1306 sorry to hear about Pakistan woman team 💀
@@sammy1735 WPL would be nothing without Assie Glory.
Fuck off man you’re literally feeding off of us your players haven’t seen this kind of money in ages fuck off
As a fellow Bangalorean, I'm proud of Ramchandra Guha . I may not agree with everything he says but atleast he's not a puppet who blindly paraphrases the powers that be whether it's politics or cricket. We need more views like this. 👍
he will change the shit when he will get a Rajya sabha tickit from AAP
BOIS, please catch Mr Guha for a full 1hr sit down and ask him detailed questions of the conflict of interest he noticed etc...all the stuff he mentioned in commonwealth of cricket, plus also dig out some cricketer gossips which would be fun
I’ve heard that clip multiple times and I can confidently say that Mark Waugh said “Good on you Sam”
what do they think?
He definitely said champ
I agree with Guha on most of the points... we want a good 5-day cricket if we lose so be it means we are not good enough but I think comparing Modi with Hitler is quite an exaggerated opinion after what Hitler did. It's fashionable nowadays to call him anything and everything.
I have watched many of your podcast but I’m kind of dissatisfied with this because you guys are associating yourself with local politics that man should not be invited in a cricket podcast. He acts like a mouthpiece of opposition party of India which was very evident and he is a communist hypocrite who got many benefits from the current opposition party when it was in power and now he is criticising about state sponsorship? His statements were more focus on PM Modi rather than cricket! He compared prime minister of INDIA with Hitler! Maybe this stuff is normal in AUSTRALIA but your podcast maybe consider as political and an attempt to defame PRIME MINISTER of INDIA.
I am becoming a fan of this podcast now, leaving netflix and prime for it. Educating, entertaining and alot of funny Aussie Trash, lol.
Cant wait for the Ashes Episodes, Baz Ball vs the Never Say Never Aussies and a bonus episode of the World Test Championship as well
Thanks for the Ramachandra Guha part as well
keep crying mulle
@@anshuman5554 hahaha, Wasim Jaffer bhi wohi hai 😝😝😝😝
Spencer Johnson called up to the Italian side btw, alongside Ben Manenti. Playing in the upcoming T20WC qualifiers.
Agree on so many points Ramachandra Guha said. Players and ex-players should grow a spine and speak out on things which matter. Absolutely, need an independent commentary team, not a bcci vetoed one.
Love the show as always .. just a couple of points I can’t quite agree with. 1. I wouldnt call the pitches resulting in a lottery result as if that was the case india wouldnt be winning >90% of the games at home when they prepare the pitch to suit thier strengths. 2. The english conditions with a dukes ball makes it very alien conditions for most south asian teams.. Why don’t we ever discuss not using Dukes ball as it can be unplayable in the first 15/20 overs of the test.? However as an india fan, i would never find myself blaming English conditions, instead I always want my team to improve to tackle english/aussie conditions.. which india has done well to a great degree in recent history.
The only issue i really have with india preparing these extremely spin friendly pitches it that i feel India will become complacent and end up with results like 3rd test. Which despite being india fan, I was kinda glad they got a stung by thier own trick.
Keep up the good work! Love all your videos.
It was Ian Chappell long ago who said that the reason he doesn't commentate in Ind Aus series, is because of the clause in BCCI contract that prohibits him to comment on selection. Absurd
Miss his commentary, genuine great commentator along with late Tony Greg.
Bois! I loved the way you addressed the pitch issue. As a cricket fan from India, it is sad and sickening to see our media, commentators and former players have just felt silent to criticize our administration and it’s way of working. I loved your chat with Ramchandra Guha, one of the few voices who still fairly criticizes our cricket scene.
Gavaskar, Bhogle and Shastri are the 3 oldest whores of the BCCI brothel...with Gavaskar the most faithful..and the most decorated.
I have a feeling that this Ram Guha interview will blow up more than that infamous RCB Interview 😂
Safe to say that the Boys will never be invited to the Star Sports Lunch show
Thank you boys. Genuinely proud of you guys for getting Guha and discussing cancerous themes which we all know exist and are spreading through Indian cricket, but no media outlet/ex-cricketer has the balls to talk about.
Nice one. We will lose Test Cricket if pitch fixing, from all sides, carries on...
i am surprised with the spine Ramchandra Guha shows commendable
@@yasinjamal7517 If you've known anything about Ram or read his books you wouldn't be surprised. His words and actions have always been morally upright and truthful ever since I've known about him; which is more than 10 years now.
Boy oh boy the elitism. How come Bengaluru and Kolkata fans are better than rest of us. There 50+ international stadiums, whu shouldn't new cities should host the test match?
I enjoyed the commentary by Guha, it is good to hear all perspectives to understand any issue. We already hear the perspective from the BCCI commentators during every game, therefore, it was refreshing to hear a different viewpoint on TGC. I doubt we would on Star Sports!
Excellent interview with Ram.. great points and it's so refreshing to see someone speaking the truth.
Ramachandra Guha is openly slamming an elected prime minister voted by a vast majority of the country and comparing with Gadafi and Saddam Hussain. What a narcissist. So if everytime my leader doesn't win, that person is a dictator ? People like Ramachandra Guha and his communist party has no respect for democracy. As a bengali , I feel ashamed that he is a bengali as well.
You guys got Ram Guha? What? That's legendary. I'd say he's India's best nonfiction writer at the moment.
People in India hate him because he's not a propaganda stooge of the present government and waxes lyrical about Nehru (while pointing out his flaws too - read India After Gandhi, he tears into Nehru for the '62 debacle with China) so it's a bit of a risk for your view count to have him on.
Very true indeed!
kindly get ur facts right he is very much STOOGE of propaganda...just not with the current govt.
@@vickramanshu Bro. Read his books. He calls out every side for transgressions. He has his own beliefs and sticks to them, which is the prerogative of any writer or human being, but he doesn't follow any party's line. Like I said in my comment, he called out his own hero Nehru on multiple occasions in his books.
@@harish1105 It's okay man. There are some people so allergic to contextual perspectives about Indian history that they simply make such blanket statements. Notice none of these trolls could quote what they don't like Guha, other than using Twitter-fed words like "biased" and "propaganda" ?
trolls are already here giving warning to TGC Lmao
You guys are addressing the right issues. Sadly none of Indian journalists have the courage to do so. Kudos 👍
Maybe you dont listen to Vikrant Gupta and co. They are shouting their lungs out on what is happening. Or maybe you dont value them because they are dark skinned and speak in hindi.
@@KingD2507 please share, would love to know, I hear ram guha cause his books are amazing, and he’s not white.
@@shaqontherun I dont care. I was addressing that guy who is saying no Indian journalist is asking questions without listening to some of the top Indian sports journalist.
@@KingD2507 Ah, must be talking about the one having two front foots, right?
Great interview with Ram guys. Really important to hear some truth spoken on the subject, and to get an insight into the psychology of the BCCI and some of the understandable (if unacceptable) behaviours they carry out.
1:40:50 Guha needs to brush up his Knowledge on Indian Sports . You Just can't deny the achievements of our Hockey Team , our Shuttlers, Our Wrestlers and the new age athletes like Neeraj , Sreeshankar etc .
bro - wrestlers are protesting in India and nobody was there for them
And how many hockey players' name a common Indian know ? You know it's very few and it's maybe those who have bollywood movies about them
Name 7 hockey players please ? And don’t Google ?
Arey are you bcci
While I agree and acknowledge the achievements of these athletes, we are definitely world beaters in any of these sports like we are in cricket. Guha could have put it differently but in essence, it’s true.
@@shaqontherun lalit uppadhyay,sreejesh,jarmanpreet Singh,Manpreet singh,Amit rohidas,simran rjeet singh without googling
Quite happy that tgc has given space to an alternate voice from india … much love ❤ and respect
Ramchandran Guha is SPOT ON..he represents an honest INDIAN CRICKET LOVER !!
No he does not lmao
He had some really good points.
He represents "woke Dynasty slaves" only 😂😂
Good to see Higgos guts are recovered. Hats off to Pez for carrying him around India weekend at Bernie’s style
That Ramachandra Guha interview was excellent! Thank you so much for it!
Slippery slope boys.
Guha is a historian but he's hardly neutral. He's been a Gandhi family lackey for most of his career. People like him have been used by Gandhi family in the past to deride and demonize its principal opposition, BJP, which has been in power for the last 10 years.
The whole gang was called 'Lutyens media', appealing to an anglicized/elitist audience, demonizing any political thought/leader which is not Congress. There are plenty who will disagree with his characterization of Modi..
Stick to the sport please. If not, at least make an attempt to get neutral observers instead of people with an agenda.
This amounts to misleading audiences who might not know any better.
Pez, on his high horse, will call you an Indian nationalist probably. Higgo will make a Khawaja modi joke, and the anglicised elites who like their shit will clap like seals.
@@tinyspeaker I sincerely hope they do better.
Bois you should know about that Ashwin video--I think what he meant by the title and the thumbnail may have gotten lost in translation. From what he described in the video in Tamil, I think the title was meant more to capture and comment on the general sentiment in the media of "how the hell are we supposed to bat for five days against spin in India?" than "here, let *me* teach you how you should play against spin in India". It was still a little cheeky, but perhaps not arrogant in the way you might be thinking.
Totally! Surprised that not many people had the patience to watch the video even. He was super appreciative of Aussies and said it was small margins.
Agreed. Even the thumbnail as the title, were deliberately set clickbaity as its intended to be on CZcams.
Wait, for real?
BOIS! After hearing your passionate speech of just how much the Aus team have overcome and shown what real toughness is, I am now rooting for you to win at Ahmedabad. Hopefully that (and maybe the championship) will be enough for your media to start rooting for Cummins and the team.
They already do, what you on about?
world already watched what is real toughness in Gabba, u go and first try to score at least a single double century first or bowl the world fastest ball to be called the world so called best team 🤣🤣🤣
"Christianity is a good way of speaking in riddles, and in circles" - Sam Perry 😂😂😂
1:12:05
Hahaha. That was gold!
IMHO, Substitute "Christianity" with every other religion and you get the same joke 🤣
@@sitanshurai892 100% true!
Good on you lads for bringing on Ramachandra Guha. If only more people in India were open to such discourse.
This isn’t discourse. He cant stop talking about politics that too biased and half truths. He is no cricket expert, just an ex establishment elite who is now pissed that India is moving away from its colonial tendencies
Lmao he's a biased hater, not a discourse.
Well someone has to speak up against the monstrosity of the establishment. If in your view that is bias, then so be it.
@@rishikaverma8803 most intelligent Leftist Jihadi radical.
I agree, I found him facinating. Too bad many Indians are so defensive.
Preparing bad pitches started under Ravi Shastri.
The first instance was in 2015 against South Africa.
Then against England in 2021.
Anil Kumble was the coach for 1 year in the middle. During that period India played 3 home series in the 2016-17 home season.
We played 3 Tests against New Zealand, 5 Tests vs England and 4 Tests against Australia on some good pitches (except for Pune) and ended up winning 3-0, 4-0 & 2-1 respectively. The only Test we lost was against Australia on a rank turner in Pune.
Kumble was removed because Kohli wanted his yes-man Shastri back and we went back to preparing dust bowls in 2021 again.
I was not surprised to see these pitches under a Shastri who was a mediocre cricketer himself but I am very very disappointed to see these pitches under Dravid.
Correct!. he is the main culpirit!. But i understand why he did it. he was nationalist so was sunil gavaskar. Every country make pitches suit their players. Why india have to make flat or green pitches? Issue is not spin putches issue is 2 1/2 day pitches. These fools are robbing fans of 2 days of cricket. BCCI with all the money cant pay some consultant to make pitch that last 5 days? Too much looting going on with JAY SHAH. He is hoarding all his bcci loot in swiss bank
More than shastri i think it was Virat's idea to prepare Turners. Shastri was his bitch.
@@freespeech515 🤣🤣🤣
@@freespeech515 See they are preparing 2 1/2 days pitches so that players stay fresh for IPL... LOL! I'm seeing Cricket since 1993 and India always scored 500 and then pummeled the opposition by sheer pressure of the total. Now its just pathetic cricket. What happened in 2001 Ind Aus series can never happen again if this trend continues.
As an Indian who is disappointed with the pitches during this tour, and one who can also recognise the impact of the vestiges of imperialism on India (yes, these things can be exclusive of each other), I am SO pumped you had Ram Guha on your pod. A free-thinking independent voice of reason who isn’t beholden to the BCCI paydays (#CredPayday ofc) , he is always a good man to listen to. I’m disappointed in some of my fellow countrymen who turn a blind eye to the sheer scale of BCCI bullying in the cricketing world. We weren’t okay when England and Aus did it in previous decades, we shouldn’t be okay with the BCCI doing it during the #AsianCentury. For the health of the sport, I hope Indians don’t get so blinded by our team winning constantly that we tolerate the BCCI not caring about fans in stadiums, not uploading highlights to CZcams, and most importantly, not equally distributing the spoils of the sport with other cricket boards.
Total double centuries by bullied BCCI TEAM INDIA - 7
Double centuries by ur anti modi guha's Australia, England - 0
now go n pump ur hole 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I think they distribute the spoils quite fairly that’s y the boards don’t stop players from going . And on the bullying part I completely agree with u , unfortunately that’s how all the powers in the world to this date have behaved , bcci should be more open especially now with the powers they’ve . Hope it improves as we go alony
Chall be lodhe angrajo gand chat ja ke .. bas 3rd test ki pitch poor thi baaki do theek thi aur aisi hi honi chahiye..
If Guha's comments were exclusively about cricket, then fine. But it's not. He's partisan, and he's sees everything through the prism of Indian politics. He's unofficially the opposition whether you acknowledge it or not. It's like bringing subramanian swamy on during UPA years onto any pod on any issue. It's partisan.
@@tinyspeaker agreed he’s a heavily opinionated man . But I think we can appreciate the pertinent points he raised and keep his politics aside.
Indore is in madhya Pradesh not uttar Pradesh! Lucknow is the capital of Uttar Pradesh, no connection with Indore!
#asktgc
With pitches, another angle that needs to be explored is that India now feels comfortable with England and Australia throwing green, seaming, bouncy wickets at them. Given they have kind of outgrown their fears over playing at such wickets, but Australia and England (and SA) haven't, India tries to maximise their home advantage knowing they can't be much worse off going overseas anymore. Power and mind games!
My question though is.. Day 2 of the Indore Test match was pulsating! The cat and mouse chase and the thrill of India possibly setting a decent 4th innings target was real. Inspite of the pitch, I enjoyed the test match! Purely from the angle, it was a fun test. We need tests to remain fun. Can't we let India be an exception? Why does every test need to last for 4 day or more? There are so many layers to this obviously.. I am just looking at the positive here.
Big Fan. Keep em' coming.
Cheers.
Maddy
LSG's home ground is in Lucknow (capital of UP).
Indore is a city in MP(Madhya Pradesh)
The Ramachandra Guha interview was excellent, there needs to be more critical voices in Indian cricket.
In a country of 1400 million people you guys found Ram Guha . The woke legend 😂
Ramchndra guha is a hindu hater bug...obnoxious weed
Calling him woke won't justify the fact that day1 tickets of Ahmedabad test weren't available for purchase for fans.
If cricket community is scared of asking these questions, someone else will
@@MessiForever-q9l I’m from Ahmedabad tell me how many tickets you want ?
I found most of the stuff he said refreshing, you can't just wave away his genuine criticism of BCCI and for other's reluctance to criticise them due to the IPL gravy train for something as wishy washy as "wokeness". I thought he explained his viewpoints through logic.
Maybe you'd have liked them to bring on Monu Manesar. But that would have been very risky as he hates beef eaters. 😅
Ramchandra Guha interview deserves to be released separately as well.
1:22:55 - 1:23:50 Was this really necessary on a sports podcast? The boys looked so uncomfortable throughout his rant
Bois have dropped a new episode. Will have to go for a walk now. Damn it!
The likes of Gavaskar, Rohit Sharma taking the odd 50+ run partnership riddled with a 1000 play and misses as a shining example of how these are perfectly good pitches to bat on is just funny.
Nice to hear Ram Guha and an Indian being actually honest about where Indian Cricket is right now.
after BCCI scoring 7 double hundreds ur being honest bashing modi on every sentence 🤣🤣🤣 having 0 double hundreds from Australia to england
NOBODY TAKES HIM SERIOUS IN INDIA.... YOU GUYS BEEN FOOLED BY SOMEONE WHO CONVINCED YOU TO BRING HIM HERE
For the coach to come out now and say all 3 pitches are bad is very cheeky ! As if to suggest that earlier 2 games are a fluke and discredit all performances. Also a very convenient position if they were to either win or lose the next game . I think Australia actually mastered the art to play in the last game . The pitch as it turned out on last day seems to somehow look very easy to bat when there is no stress and Aus lost that one wicket only … so is the pitch really the problem or skill ?
Bois! Great work on this episode, especially the interview with Guha, up there with the Harsha interview!
It feels wrong to say this for just 49 not out, but Head's knock in the second dig was one of the best innings I've seen. He showed great restraint and defensive technique for the longest time and once the ball was changed and Ashwin overpitched, unleashed a devastating array of shots to take them to victory on what could have been a very tricky chase.
very biased view of ramchandra guha ....
Brilliant interview! Enjoyed it!
Fact Check: India send a delegation of 122 competitors in Tokyo Olympics, 2020 and India won 7 medals including much talked about first time ever gold at track and field event by Neeraj Chopra. At 1:41:10 the Self-Proclaimed "Historian" lied that India send 300 participants only to win 2 medals.
PS: I am not proud of the fact that we won 7 medals at the Olympics but given the sporting infrastructure, the history of Olympics sports, no of people playing Olympics sports in India, we gave the best ever performance in Tokyo Olympics. In future, we will do much better in all sports much to the disappointment of "Spinner of Yarn Historians"
That's what I was thinking of which Olympics is he referring to certainly not Tokyo Olympics or any other Olympics in the past.
I agree with Ram Guha.BCCI is killing the game in name of victory for India.
Great interview by Mr Guha.
I don't align with Guha's political view but he is fun (and absolutely right this time around) to listen too 😂
Me on the other hand i sometimes tend to align with his views but here it looked like he was trying to get involved too much politics into this.
@@akashneel2888 but it's not his fault when BCCI are literally making a political rally for 4th Test and not to forget super biased commentary and pitch
@@shbhmmn the commentary has been this bad from a very long time. And who can blame them. Harsha once said something and the old chap lost his job. Also the pitch has been good in the first 2 matches and was shit in the 3rd and Australia played amazingly well to get the win. But it's a one off thing. Hopefully we can have a better pitch on the 4th test.
Yes the political rally has been around for many years now. Not just Modi, but there were multiple prime minister who had invited the visiting team country leaders to watch the match.
@@akashneel2888 Dude the stadium is literally named after the PM and no rally has been organised like the 4th Test in the past. Yeah Poor Harsha lost his job because of thise Amitabh and Dhoni tweets. I feel biased commentary and pitches are not because of BCCI but player's and coaches. Rohit and Dravid should provide entertaining cricket rather than such biased pitches for all of us. During Sachin and Ganguly era potches were not this kind of biased. Even Dhoni era was fine but after England 2021 pitches are horribly biased. I don't even feel happy after winning compared to our away victories. I wish we can make pitches like Sachin era where they were biased but not this kind of
@@shbhmmn is Modi's political show exaggerated? Yes. But it has happened before.
About players not having a say about Harsha loosing his job? I do not think so. I don't think they really care about who say what about them. I think it's BCCI trying to assert their dominance and hence this poor grade of commentary.
About the pitch. Yes the pitch was bad but just as you said it's beed this bad since 2021 which is very recent. Hopefully we will have better pitches than Indore
Honestly great to listen to Guha’s insights, agree with most of it. But I think it is only fair to point out guhas blatant bias (all in good faith as everyone is biased one way or the other) so here goes :-
1) Guha says that modi and shah have ingressed into cricket the most out of any politician. Completely false as Sharad pawar ( congress leader )( who I’m sure is good friends with guha) had to literally be pushed out of 2007 wc celebrations by Ricky pointing , surely everyone has seen that embarrassing video. Another case is of Rajiv shukla who sticks to the bcci like a termite even after his party being out of power for so many years
2) only fair argument here is that there’s a kind of bipartisan consensus between the parties to be involved in cricket
3) on the naming of stadium after politicians ( which I absolutely hate ) Guha fails to mention about the hundreds of stadiums in this country named after the Gandhi dynasty who again I’m sure r good friends with guha.
4) I’m not really sure how u can make a political rally out of a cricket match that Guha alludes to , it’s not like he’s going to give a speech . Only fair that he steps in a stadium that was his brainchild.(but again shouldn’t have been named after him )
That’s all , great to listen to some very pertinent points raised by Guha which need to be worked on.
One more thing that he failed to mention. Bcci needs to work on improving the fan experience. They absolutely take the fans for granted and take advantage of their desperation to watch their idols play
He isn't anti Congress my friend ,He won't saying about his dearest dynasty gandhi
@@avirawat81 yeah that’s y I thought it should be pointed out to balance it out . But still he talked a lot of sense
@@angirashah5157that's what Marxist historian is all about
@@avirawat81 honestly no problem with that , that’s the best thing about india that we’ve so many different views . Just point out the bias , take the good points and move along
1:40:40 i really like this part. This is a fact that a lot of Indians know and say that they understand but still can't do anything about.
those who are doing sandpaper scandals, ball tempering, sexting scandals, day in, and day out trying to lecture others on discipline, politics, and whatnot.
Dude it takes time , I’d say we r improving at a really fast place . In fact we won 7 medals last olympics not 2 as Guha alludes to . We r good at hockey badminton wrestling boxing n shooting
@@angirashah5157 1 gold, 2 silver and 4 bronze, you're right 7 medals.
And the fact that we forget is not good, because they're such forgettable victories, i only remember Neeraj Chopra the javlin thrower because he got us the gold.
We really need to become good in all the sports. Once we become good in other sports, I'm sure we'll have more people supporting that sport. This happened for cricket too, after winning 83 World Cup.
@@waahkyascenehai663 ??
I don't understand what you wanted to say
@@Xinnie_The_Flu what do u mean they’re forgettable, need to go step by step, can’t just leap to winning 100 golds , it’s a process and we’ve to value each one of the medals coz that’s the only way forward
Loved the bit with Ramachandra Guha.
Ram Guha is a talented author. I have loved the 3 books that I've read so far. Absolutely agree with him on this ticket issue, and I hope the separate booth helped some fans. But he has a political bias and his jibes in name of cricket are very uncharitable of him. To use the comparison of one of the most terrible persons in human history, with a current leader of a country elected by millions. Comparison to Saddam Hussein and the Kim dynasty may be his personal preference, but I bet he is misleading people that the PM has himself gone and named the stadium after himself. I personally would've waited for his political career to get over and then the stadium named after him, and I think the nomenclature has always been involved in India to honour past contributors to State Associations, however, I will not make the jibes and the comparisons to the infamous men from the past.
To his statement "political involvement has never been so visible", one only needs to look at the parallel years when Sharad Pawar was both the Union Minister and very influential in the BCCI, as well as later in the MCA. Current opposition politician from Congress, Rajiv Shukla has also been a long part of the BCCI. Just because someone is the son of a prominent politician, doesn't mean you cannot work anywhere significant.
He blamed the IPL for everything. Without the IPL, would have never heard of players like Siraj, Gaikwad, Samson, Pant, Bumrah, Pandya, Sundar, and Natarajan. If not for IPL, we would have 4 players from Mumbai, 3 from Delhi, and 1 each from Karnataka, Bengal, Tamil Nadu, and Punjab/Saurashtra. It has given opportunities to so many young cricketers who before IPL would make nothing for the amount of talent they showed in first-class cricket. IPL employs people but it never holds down its commentators, they have criticised players and all, and even now Haydos called Indore's pitch rubbish and zero backlash was there.
About Gavaskar, maybe Mr. Guha failed to highlight that he criticized Virat Kohli when he was in poor form, and the lack of temperament by Rishabh Pant in crucial scenarios. Nationalism as Mr Guha paints it in a bad light, is only a dirty word in Europe, and it is not wrong to hope your country is at the top, but India never said it needs to be top at the expense of others. I am pretty sure Rama Guha would've enjoyed the test at Sonia Gandhi Stadium as Sonia Gandhi being the PM, and nobody would mind and they shouldn't have.
I like the in-house broadcasting of the BCCI as it helps to maintain several IPs and the board can use content and better promote itself. It is just like the UFC and WWE who have proved that in-house broadcasting is workable.
He had no issues with "Rajiv Gandhi" khel Ratna award 😂
Ram Guha on TGC is very on point given this is a comedy podcast
The fact that you watch this podcast and in any way don't understand glaring allusions that Pez and higgos are not on your side and never will be is hilarious. They have given enough hints but aren't through and through political so I understand why the subtlety might bounce over your tiny head.
A random andhbhakt appears
It's rather unfortunate that their career is entangled with Indian views so they can't be overtly critical of this regime because let's get this straight, our people don't come here after a bad session of a test match, really frail to the bone so tolerating criticism on your superdad might give you a cardiac arrest. But don't mistake their subtlety for an allegiance with you in any way, that would be pathetic reading between the lines.
@@baldingideas who tf cares about their political stance lol, they are great to listen on the cricket, thats it
Wasn't talking to you stfu anshul lmao
Mr Guha has spoken absolute truth.
When England played in India last, the first pitch was pretty well balanced something in it for the pace bowlers, England win that test, then the 2nd test is a minefield and over in 2 days.
I remember the first test pitch being a road for the first two and half days absolutely nothing in it for either the spinner or the fast bowler
The first test was definitely not a well balanced pitch. It too heavily favoured the team who won the toss. In some sense the spinning pitches that followed for the rest of the series were fairer wickets because the toss was less of a factor.
It was a "win the toss win the match" pitch. Even worse than rank turners atleast on that both teams have a chance
Fascinating how guha somehow managed to bash modi on a cricket podcast...the obsession 🤣🤣
Phashist moody !! 😂😂😂
Haha we should coin a term for the opposite of andhbhakti. Like andh-nafrat or blind-hate for Modi/BJP
@Sunil Jain agreed but not just that. No one in life is perfect. But at the moment the best option who is ensuring national development. Infrastructure, Economy, Pandemic response, Foreign policy, Article 370, Development in North east are some good points of BJP too.
Not at all fascinating boyo,mudi zee wants to be seen everywhere
@Sunil Jain I can see the can of worms right now. Internal affairs and many issues where mudi is ineffective. The only future i think is a split in bjp and a true Hindu party emerges from it. First lady?
what an honest and brave person is Ramchandra Guha
Full marks to Ram.. Absolutely spot on Gavaskar.. "the high priest of whataboutery"!! Good on you Mate!!
hitler has made it to the tgc I see. Ram Guha may need to catch up on the last few decades of Tamil Nadu politics. May surprise him to know Roads, bazaars, Nagars named after living chief ministers. Gujjus have nothing on Dravidian self indulgence. Heck, a CM even named his son after a mass murderer, and he;s now the current CM😅
Thanking you guys for not being afraid to speak out against the corruption of the Indian Government and BCCI! Money isn’t the problem, the political corruption is! You’re doing a huge service to India without even knowing it 👏
Ramchandra Guha just said here what I was thinking for days! Thanks. 🤗
Not you alone, many of us are thinking the same!
Ramachandra Guha is one of the greatest Indians alive - from a fellow Indian.
Yahan bhi modi 😂😂😂 bhaisahab modi ji me aisa kya kiya h sab unhi ka naam lete hn 😂😂
Fake historian ,hindu hater.
Congress supporter 😂😂
@@avirawat81 aisa banda bs iski suno , modi ne inko muhn lagana band kardiya isliye paglai rehte hn bkl…..
As fans of Indian cricket, we deserve better a better board than this. I trust Ashwin and Jaddu to outclass visiting bowlers even if the pitch doesn’t turn square on 1st day!
We need not deserve
then create your own board, own team don't try to interfere in our indian team.
@@waahkyascenehai663 you don’t own the Indian team or the board. What’s with the tone man?
@@waahkyascenehai663
Logic dying a million death here😢
Anything to win - indias mentality. Always has been!
I don't think many Indians are happy with the pitches that are being created over the past 3-4 years. These pitches are completely unfair to the batters of both the teams and seems more like a landmine than a cricket pitch.
Of course they aren't. BCCI to big
In fact these kind of pitches even out the skills of the players . A Zak crawley and a Kohli are equally good (or bad ) on these type of pitches. Think of it this way , if u haven’t studied for the exams u would want the paper to be as hard as it can be so that even those who studied can’t answer. So bcci is kind of self sabotaging here
Can you cut the entire section with Ram and post, so I can share that with my friends or fam
Big nooooo
You guys need to go watch some Jarrod Kimber- he just put out a video about the indian top order, and the deck as well. He's an aussie but he doesn't rely on pitch slander in the same way. Worth checking out.
Was fun to listen to before the political rant of Guha. We had brilliant pitches in 2016-17 when Anil Kumble was the coach under the same political setup.We even had a test in Kolkata where bhuvaneshwar Kumar picked a 5fer vs NZ. I would rather question the team management for such pitches than calling Modi a Hitler or Mussolini
This man no doubt is vexed with Modiphobia as all other political oppositions but what he is saying today about cricket and India's bully attitude is absolutely right. As a fan we surely want to be at the top but without this bullying behaviour.
Just like BCCI,BJP also does little bullying 😂
Ohh for fuck sack how have we become the bullies? Certainly not because of the reasons this guy has enumerated because there is a stadium named after the current prime minister? Or because kolkata and banglore didn't get a test match? Some stupid conspiracy about the tickets for the 4th tests? I can see the point about the pitches but just because we have gone overboard with spinning tracks in a few games it makes us the big bad bully?
@@TheKbthakurover spinning tracks not in a few pitches but it became a regularity in every test game.
Frankly test matches in Eng and Aus is far more interesting and enjoyable
@@theconservativeone2690 There is no problem in preparing turning tracks every country has a right to home advantage. Yes there have been a few three days test wickets and we probably should move away from them but the whole hue and cry about India running the world cricket on its whims is ridiculous.
@Shubham Bagri BCCI will definitely bully u with 7 double hundreds not by sandpaper bully.
Guha is woke deluxe but he is absolutely right on how BCCI is being run. It's a disgrace.
I'd forgotten the context of this Australia win, it was def a big win - think it only loses some steam because of how quickly they pulled it off. It's funny to see the difference between these and the wpl totals, hopefully Ahmedabad is a more reasonable pitch
For me the pitch debate isn't about home advantage. It's about spectacle. Test matches unique in being a 5 day format. Pitch should be prepared accordingly. Consistent 2.5 day tests across different touring sides suggest that the wickets aren't sporting. As you say, luck /skill ratio is off with these wickets and they become boring to watch after the novelty of wicket gluttony wears off
This guy Ramachandra Guha has a habit of mixing politics and blaming the current government in every facet.
is that because he rightly compared mogi to hitler, mussolini and gaddafi?? and said whats right, or did u see stupid commentary of dinesh karthik?? whats wrong about what Guha said, this guy guha is 100 times the scholar 4th fail fascist pm could ever be
He is toxic fiberal, history manipulator
@@yasinjamal7517lamo converted pancherchap mulla 🤣🤣🤣
@@yasinjamal7517every time anyone that expresses distaste for Modi comes along, hus fanboys coke out in force too.
Well done Boiss! That must have been a difficult choice! Glad to see you decided to kep your spine. It's a fine specimen... Hope you get to keep it straight for years to come. Cheers :)
Wait for Ashwin to make a 100 on a 'rank- turner' in Ahmedabad and make a CZcams video explaining to you in person why he is eligible to talk about how to play spin in India. #PinThis
After his poor performance?
Poor performance? Are you watching the same series as everyone?!
Clearly nobody saw the video! People saw the Thumbnail and got triggered. He was full of praise for Aussies and said it could have easily been 0-2
@@SaiKrishna-kx4ws Exactly! Didn't expect TGC to make these non sensical jibes without actually watching the content!
@@ashokmuthiah602 have you been asleep? Who won the last test?
As an Indian Christian, in my opinion, Modi has been a very balanced Prime Minister. Yes he is a hindu nationalist
But that is not necessarily a bad thing.
India has always been the land of Dharmic culture and Sanatan Dharma. So it is only normal that the PM of this country upholds that culture.
My only major issue with BJP( not Modi) is their obsession with promotion of hindi to make it a lingua franca which will make south Indians feel betrayed as little effort is being made to teach Tamil and other south indian languages amongst the northern states
Lol Modi is definitely not like hitler
That Ramachandra guha is one mad fellow 😂
I hope Modi wins next time 😊
Looks like boys got sledged a bit too much on this Indian trip. Too much of pitch talk boys and to bring home the point you find Ramachandra Guha? There is a reason why he is quite a divisive figure on Indian social media. Hope you get off these tactics and get back to what made this channel fun to watch. There was no humour today. Only ramblings. Australia got 200 on it and then 70 plus for 1 so cant be that bad? I remember green Sydney pitch from 2000 or India getting bowled out for 100 and 66 whilst South Africa got just 200 plus in first innings themselves at Durban in 1997. All the talk at the time was about how poor Indian batsmen were against pace bowling. This was the time when India didn't have 3 proper pace bowlers on the team sheet. So to brush it all aside with just 1 Perth match does not cut with Indian supporters.
Get over it. Australia got rolled over in Australia and they will get rolled over in final test and then again in that final in England. :) #AskTGC
As an Indian I am pleased that boiss hosted Mr Guha. Very few Indians are talking the truth abt cricket nowadays on the record. I feel cringe when I watch cricket on Indian channels. Especially Star channels. These star guys ran a shit segment at some point in the past which was called 'Super V' showing Kohli's cartoon avatar as a superhero between innings breaks of matches. Wtf? And from that point Virat Kohli's form started declining.
very few shits like u know the truth todays bcci has 7 double hundreds n ur sandpaper scandals, sexting scandals has NULL 🤣🤣🤣
Great interview with Guha.
I have always been advert of what Ramachandran Guha is . This podcast has always been my favourite not because of just their dark humour and it just this podcast validated me how good information not content these guys cover . kudos , BOYSSSSS!!
Australia's combination is pretty good now with three spinners, two pace bowlers and seven batsmen. Cummins was really not contributing much.
No one knows who is "Ramachandra Guha" in all of india. Just so you know. But he spoke all truth!.
What? English
Can't they use Hawkeye data to decide whether the pitches are substandard or not. Looking at degree of spin, seam movement, evenness of bounce, and pace etc and then rate it according to that. Excessive degree of spin from day 1 will result low scoring games and shouldn't be allowed in test cricket.
Pace and bounce in Australia is even and consistent through the course of 5 days generally (occasional exceptions when cracks appear at the WACA etc), seam movement is minimal as well - but that's why its not a fair comparison to say Australia does the same. We haven't had the famously fast pitches in recent series against India anyway either - they've all been flat roads.
Seam and swing in England and South Africa are occasionally excessive as well like Trent Bridge 2015 for example but the difference is they flatten out as the pitch gets dryer after that initial difficult period
Thanks for introducing me to this impressive man - Ram Guha, will definitely be getting hold of his literature. Although, in Ahmedabad I want to see the curator having a cup of tea with Dravid at lunch fully clad in BCCI/India kit, and we can throw In Modi hob nobing with the players for good measure as well. Safety!
George Soros money is speaking. Guy’s expected a lot better from you bring Guha on your podcast.