Why you don't like Rust 𝗔𝗡𝗬𝗠𝗢𝗥𝗘
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- The many reasons why rust is boring now.
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In this video I will talk over the many reasons why people don't enjoy rust anymore may it be age, acceptance old recoil the meta. The competitive scene dying out or addiction. - Hry
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"I finally think it's reached it's final stage."
That's a super hard hitting quote from hJune, It seems we truly don't see happiness until it's gone. In my playtime from 2014 up until today, my focus has always been on the relationships, even though I never used the AK or was a competitive player in nature, I enjoyed the community it brought with the entertainment and drama from the clans who played. It really gave life to the community. I feel a lot of players miss that community for something to obsess over. I really hope Rust can revive a cause like that again to enjoy. Great reporting man, glad to see you back in action!
this is why you and gamesense are S tier youtubers
sorry for callin you a fake on the tug boat jack
@@SensorRust Thanks man!
Lmao, I see you guys playing Rustoria a lot recently. @@243legoman
Honestly I stopped playing rust because of how it was on console. Can't tell which servers ping is best for me and beyond that it's the zergs that eventually made me sick of it. They'd destroy every base in the area every weekend.
Console needs balance I don't mind getting my ass beaten I do mind clans that wipe the map every couple of days though.
There are a lot of monuments, but you also have to remember every monument is probably being contested by a 12+ group so smaller groups have no chance of doing anything at these monuments
new rust is goated
@@Gamesense1 never herd of technopig former competitive Minecrafter turned youtuber. competitive Minecraft has been around for years it just never got any fame due to it being seen as cringy back when it started.(also i don't play as often is the game is less toxic idk but i loved the tisum levels of rage)
That's true but without that stupid rust recoil update u could easy kill 8 alone now it's very hard to kill 8 people in amonumnet + respawns
You cant expect to play like a clan when you are a small group or a solo, just like in real life such environment scenario, smaller groups/solos would have to go the scavenger route. I was in the monuments all the time with big groups, not knowing how to play, sneaking and avoiding them, taking scraps, sometimes more risky plays with db and so on.
T2 was meant to be the maximum for solo/small playere, with a few occasional ak's.
Now its irrelevant though, you can finish rust at vanilla as solo in 1 day.
Go outpost, hit some barrels, buy yourself a base, find a place with no rads low tier monuments, like supermarket, gas station if outpost is nearby its ideal. throw some bags, just suicide kill yourself and farm that shit, scrap it buy tier 2, at that point its 2-3, hours into the wipe and you get influx of t2 weapons for 500 surf from clans, buy it you are set.
If you have 12 hours just do that on repeat and you will learn every blueprint you need and tier 3 wb.
Drones made it too safe to buy shit, tech tree is the worst change ever, imho and its coming from solo, there is no prim phase anymore 2-3 hours and everyone runs with t2 guns... except the guys who suicide farm.
Back in the day you had to go to rad towns to get some shit, if you get clothes you might as well grab some bow or shit tier weapon, it was more fun and more frustrating, but there were always stakes, now you can farm everything by being naked and suicide spam shit and use drone. no need to roam half the map for these garage doors on foot (if you are solo) it was thrilling to risk like that.
Now low risk high reward gameplay is what kills rust.
Damn i remember when clan traded me a full bolty with 8x for freaking vertical embrasures, cause they could not find them at all. since they dropped from lower tier boxes and they were busy at oil rigs :D
Or me and my noob friend (just started) strat, everyone were beaming us, guns were hard we would spend all day farming 1300 scrap to buy l96 make a tower and i would snipe kids and he would run and collect their shit and we were wondering why we were always raided :D
But we had no other means to get shit and only shot the geared players for their gear. fun times.
go to a team limit server if you're in a smaller group. unless you want the extra challenge
Fell in love with the perfect blend of difficulty, pve, pvp & exploration.
Got shafted by every modern wipe loosing it’s charm after overcoming prim stage
"PvE"
Boohoo.. cry much?
That's why it's better to play solo only servers
@@coldbeing5420 Something about solo only servers feels "off" though.. People try hard way more. And constantly hiding loot in bunkers and going an extra mile to not get raided. Like I get it, it's part of the game, but you just won't see that much defensive-playing on a normal rust server.
@@HanseaticConsortium who tf even says that word nowadays corny ahh mf
The old PVP/recoil made the game super competitive for me and that was when I enjoyed it the most, I could actually see me slowly get better. Now PVP is just lifeless and every wipe feels the same. I would love to see them bring the old recoil back as a server option for server owners or just outright revert to the old recoil.
I didn't like the changes to the recoil for the longest time, but I just had to swallow my pride and move on with the idea that old recoil is never coming back. I'm fine with it now, I love rust. Yes it was awesome seeing yourself become better, that was the thing that drove me as well, I'm extremely competitive that's why i found rust so amazing. I mastered the mp5 and It was so satisfying when you tripled someone from longer range. Wasn't good at ak, it was difficult to control, but I liked that only people who were experienced at the game could properly use a weapon like that. Also I was practicing ak as well, so slowly I was becoming better. It was similair to counter strike with the recoil where you had to master a spray pattern, now everyone can pick up a weapon and shoot, which lowered the skill ceiling and even bad players with better positioning have an upper hand.
@BunnyEZ all of this is so real, also the old recoil was actually based off of the AK in CS! It was confirmed by the developers a while ago and I think that's pretty neat.
rust is 100000x better when you don't only focus on meta pvp shit.
Yep, i also think the same and its not too hard they just dont want to for some reason, my guess is they scared of admitting that old recoil was prime and the best
You can play with old recoil on some server who uses carbon
Rust turned from a hardcore dark survival game into a glorified call of duty with a 12 hour waiting period before people can get their guns.
Horrible take pathetic actually
Nothing is as bad as cod even vanilla rust
Remember playing alot of rust back in 2016, the community had more of a vibe and was very
sociable. There were even people making hotels and such just for fun, i miss those days.
level system did wonders for servers, each server would have a regular playerbase and people actually knew each other on the servers they played as people didnt migrate from server to server as much
there's more of that now than there has ever been actually
Sometimes, less is more. And with each update, it slowly erodes away at the core of rust until nothing is actually left. We have more stuff than ever in game, yet it just feels more empty. The core substance isnt actually there anymore and what we are left with is all this junk that we actually didnt need in the first place. All new additions with each update were ment to compliment what we already had but it has instead just taken its place and what we once loved isnt actually there anymore. Sadly i dont think we will ever have our beloved game back and it might just be time to move on, once and for all.
Hey dude the way you expressed that whole thing was just felt good man, thanks for sharing
what's that "core substance" you're talking about?
spot on. They just kept adding new monuments, vehicles, elecricity, and many other things which made something that was supposed to be simple, overly complicated. I think rust devs also just stopped listening to the competitive community and focused on casuals aka roleplayers. The proof is in the recoil changes.
Wow I guess Terraria players are the only fanbase that actually appreciate devs for adding new things even if doesn't competely change the game. Less is more but you would be seething if you were in a timeline where Rust stop getting updates in 2016 like a tf2 player.
this is one of these comments where i really believe people just like to complain because they spend their whole life playing rust and are now sad they are nowhere in life cause life is rust. Take long breaks and enjoy a wipe once in a while but how can you complain about a game that looked like shit and had so many bugs just because it was ur starting point. This is not the game getting worse, its you getting older and develop new values.
Play a lot of solo. Personally I love the prim stage of rust upto revi and P2. After that the fights become who spots who first. Would love it if they could extend that period of play some way.
the start of a wipe is also my favorite part of the game but with the tech tree in the game that stage is over within 2 hours for most groups even on vanilla it just sucks that all you need to do now is farm scrap and not look around and pvp for a gun anymore
DUDE SAME
They limit the progression in tournaments eg. Day 1 only T1 tech tree. Maybe they should do the same on servers and make scrap more difficult to access on day 1 or 2.
a primlocked server has been an idea of mine for awhile but sadly idk shit about how to do that im more of an idea guy then a do stuff guy
Yeah just bring back old recoil then theres a skill gap, not just any 4 year old being able to laser any gun.
My biggest gripe about the changes in the game since I started, probably back in 2016 or so, is the community. Back when I started, every time you started a new wipe, and logged on after that, there would be a new story to tell. Players interacted with one another. Even when playing solo, and you were getting raided by an 8 man clan, there'd usually be hours of drama leading up to the raid. Nowadays, no one uses the mike anymore. There's no interaction anymore. You get killed, the guy who kills you loots you, says absolutely nothing, as if he's just looting anotger barrel or box. I've got a ton of cool stories I could tell from the old days on Facepunch's high pop servers back in the early days. You used to get on there, interact with one another, make friends, and make enemies. Not so much any more. It's turned from a survival game into a first person shooter with survival game elements.
thats so true. The interactions use to have so much more meaning and even though it was mostly banter, the alliances to be made and funny rock fights or bow fights would be great and so much more common. Now all my interactions now is with people 2 seconds before they raid me.
@@slampfezhat8876 actually true wtf, I didn't even think of that. I remember having "neighbours" that we'd either roll with or be the biggest enemies with. It would literally be a war in that one square we used to live, you would grub each other, door camp, wait for your enemies to come back loaded from somewhere just to take them down and loot their full inventories. Now It doesn't feel the same for some reason and this doesn't happen as much as it used to.
Them getting rid of the old gun sounds, and that new pvp system that makes it so that I can't tell if my character is injured and don't have enough time to react, is what did it for me.
Don't really see why they can't just have server owners choose what recoil they want for their servers. They say it's a balance issue but old recoil servers are competitive, I don't really see much balancing needing to be done once everything is in a good spot, competitive doesn't need constant new features and updates like Fortnite. Old recoil servers would have the exact old version of gunplay, no excessive bloom, RNG, etc. Maybe more people would play old recoil servers than new recoil servers, maybe the developers should realize that if that happens that is probably due to people preferring old recoil more and new recoil is a waste of time to make updates on. Rust doesn't have to appeal to everyone that is why it's unique. But what do I know, I'm not a developer. Just feel like they're making their game more generic to gain more money without caring about veterans or people that actually supported their game. Pretty stupid that they ripped away the version of Rust that 99% of the people supported them for without listening to any feedback except from the newbie popular Twitch streamers that are going to play their game for a week and leave anyways.
Such a fucking good point W
True brother
exactly
True af
Well i agree that they had to lower the difficulty of recoil, maybe 30% or 50% i dont know, but they straight up deleted it if you press ctrl.
On top recoil added more nuisance if you were not a sweat you would pick 1 weapon and stick with it. Mine was mp5, i could not control ak as good as mp5, i would train it until i was beaming, i was taking mp5 over any other weapon, had some friends who never let go of tommies, etc
Now you pick whatever best weapon you have, 0 issue or consideration which one you mastered the best. I know this wont fly close to sweats, but it was another charm to the game.
At least now scripts are not an issue, i guess that was the main reason they did the change.
Things that are killing Rust in my opinion(5200 hours played since 2018):
- Cheaters out of control
- Pay to win skins( camouflage, arctic hazmat etc...)
- The way we learn blueprints in the workbench is too easy, back in the days everything was double the price and you should go out to find the bps or take it from someone.
- Limits to creativity like auto-turret limits and bag limits.
- The new spray and the new 8x killed pvp in long distances and the aincone is just trash.
- Rust is getting easier and is attracting people that just give up at the first problem.
- Have the map know from the star killed the exploration part.
- It is so easy to get guns that the primitive faze of the wipe is practically dead.
- Guns like the LR and the mp5 were killed by the new spray.
- Back in the days we saw people that were good with different guns and now it is just thommy and ak.
- Rust is dying as a survival game and is becoming a easy pvp where people play for a fell hours and quit even if things are going well.
- No one wants to defend a base anymore, people just quit and star in other server everyday because it will be easy to restart.
- Back in the days you could play rust in 1080 ultra with a weaker pc than my and now my RTX 2070 super with a i7 can't do that.
- Rust is losing its aesthetics. things were more "rusty" in appearance, even the ground was redder, looking durt of rust, now everything is too realistic and clean more like cod and bf than rust.
- Every map looks the same, every server have the same monuments.
- We have too much T3 monuments now, what makes people hold it for more time.
- In the past you should get out and get stuff, and it was difficult, now you farm a monument for a few hours and you are done for the wipe.
Lr yeah but mp5 is busted as fuck
I must say MP5 is pretty good now after they buffed it last month or whatever
Agree brotha. 15k hours seen it all, couldnt agree more.
5k hrs i think ive met about 10 - 20 cheaters i wouldnt say its out of control inless its FP or sum p2w skins turn off ur skins problem solved cba making a full reply but yeah
Well said....
many of my same exact points
Been playing since early rust days were upkeep was not a thing yet
Back then people were way more relax and chill
Even as a solo youd make friends ez and went out together for loot runs/monuments
Nowaydays its just fricking cheater paradise
And 30+ zergs camping all monuments 24/7
And before the gun update i could handle my ak spray pretty damn good
Now a freshie with 4 hours ingame time shoots better😂
Like bro come on
And every patch they somehow seem to ruin the game just a bit more for me
Havent played rust since a year now....and im probably not gonne come back to it either..
God i miss those old days man
As a solo player, I literally can't contest any monuments. There will always be groups of 3 or 4+ players which will shit on me with the new recoil update. Fuck that shit man
Shoutout to all my prime rust homies
and to my mp5 enjoyers
@@Gamesense1 pocket ak #1
@@Gamesense1 Still remember the time people wouldn't even use AKs and just use MP5, have long since quit mainly due to recoil change.
legacy
Don't cry because it's over. Smile because it happened.
11k hour player thoughts- I'm about even on like vs dislike of recoil update because there is a lot more AKs out and about which is good, but I also miss the skill gap. I think tech tree and drones removed a lot of the risk and exploration which leads people focus on safe play now. MLRS is one of the worst things to happen to the game. It was aimed at helping the solo/small group but gets abused by clans the most. An otherwise winnable raid defense is usually foiled by 3-5 MLRS strikes. The thing that finally made me leave the game about a month or so ago is the increasing amount of cheating in the game. Its wild how bad the cheating is and really kills the fun factor.
have you heard about something called SAM site?
The core substance of rust is literally the exact same thing. The metas have changed but the core of the game is raiding, and it's better now than ever before.
The game is better now than it's ever been before imo. The only downside I agree with you on is the MLRS being way too abused by clans. The recoil update was pretty much necessary and required, no more recoil scripters and no more getting lazered from 300m by some no-life who spent 30 hours ingraining the recoil into their muscle memory. That just rewards people who sink the time into programming their muscle memory, that's not skill. It's a great change finally rewarding people with better gamesense and tactics more than the guy who just sat there tracing patterns for hours.
@@JohnDoeWasntTaken It is a skill by definition. You can't say aiming takes skill and tracing patterns isn't when they're both moving the mouse just in different ways
Face punch servers are legit unplayable. Ran into 10 cheaters one day.
I think one of the biggest factors isn't the game itself. We just got bored naturally, just like we don't play with our old toys anymore. We want to feel the same fun as the older days, but what really changed is us, not the game, we just grew up, or played it too much and now that everything has been done, there is no fun in playing the same thing again and again, whereas when we started rust, there was endless possibilities of things to do or try. Not to mention that it was also much more hardcore and challenging as a newbie, which gave us such a strong addiction to the game
common sense
no. lol. If they took out electricity and the tech tree people would be flying back to the game in droves.
@@charlespancamo9771 i don’t see the part of my comment where i mentioned removing electricity or tech tree
@@charlespancamo9771 yeah sure lets remove all the cool things people can build with electricity then remove tech tree so people can get ak even faster
@@quicklight7611 uhhh I've never gotten ak faster than with the tech tree the hell you talking about? It makes getting to end game FAR quicker. You have no clue what you're talking about and I don't think you really played during this time. The video is correct. The game became better for massive groups and continually shafted the solo experience and now here we are. Without electricity a solo could feasibly take on groups via sentrys protecting their base but as a solo it doesnt make a lot of sense to go through the whole rigamarole of setting up all of that and keeping it going as you add more sentrys and expand your base just to have it all disappear overnight in an offline.
Man I miss the exploration and cool maps as well as the player interaction. When you have played for as long as I have it’s hard to see the game you love change so much and then when you get used to it it changes again every time recently it loses a bit of its sweetness.
For me, the recoil changes were the last straw. So many fun and fun updates since then but i just can't accept the fact that all my hours playing ripped off of me in an instant with the recoil update. All my work and all my skill were just gone, and all I could do was hope that not many people are better. I played 1 wipe, and got completely stomped by people who only won because they had more teammates. I couldn't enjoy my favorite game anymore. I hope that sometime in the future they revert the recoils.
It always pissed me off that server operators weren’t given a choice. Why couldn’t we have an option to play both recoils?
@@imshid literally! All they had to do was let the servers chose from the options, so casuals could go on official servers that ate lowpop and good player could still go to clan servers and shit
After 3000 hours I felt the most fun when I actually learnt the recoil patterns. made me such a better player but I never had enough time to play with it sadly. It also, as you mentioned, got ripped away from me. People said it was "Impossible to learn", "had to put in so many hours" when all I did was 30 minutes to 1 hour of practice a day, and within one week I saw so many improvements.
@@TimeLostKiller I learnt every recoil on a fair level in like 600 hours of playtime while my friends were 2k hours plyers and i was so proud of myself, one day it just clocked and i became good idk how to explain, i loved it
@@TimeLostKillerif it was so easy to learn recoil, let’s just pretend everyone put in the time to learn the pattern and now everyone is in the same spot as with the new recoil pattern. So the new recoil should make no difference, since it was so easy to learn the old recoil. The fact that it does make a difference is proof it was hard to learn the old recoil and your just salty you wasted hundreds of hours on a worthless skill.
I miss rust when it was a couple months old just after legacy, they were the vibes
2018 Rust was so amazing... Like right before they added Minicopter and everyone roamed on their 2 feet. No electricity, you could toss turrets down wherever and just turn them on. No tech tree, so you actually felt the progression. It felt so amazing to find an item you had been missing to finally be able to research it (this literally made every wipe progression unique). Recoil was very skill based. So even a solo who was decent and put in the work/practice had a chance to counter the constant 3-4 man teams.
I think Facepunch really loves their game tho, and it's a passion project and it shows. But sometimes they add in stuff that no one really asked for or wants. Like subs and vehicles, anti aircraft, mlrs, homing missles, drones, engineering, etc... Like it's just getting too complex with all the systems. Wish there were some official "old school" servers. Kind of like how World of Warcraft did Classic WoW or OS Runescape. People want to play the older versions of the game and I think it would be very successful if they added a couple servers at least, and not detrimental to the overall progression of the main version of the game.
I like alot of the new stuff but my biggest dislike is the graphics change and the redwoods no longer being vibrant. i would camo sheet metal base and it would be near invisible. Also, most of the complaints I see are from people dealing with cheaters (idk how its still so prevalent) or sweats crying about recoil. Overall, I see tons of new players and its much more accessible now to get into and lets a community grow.
I hate how the terrain looks now on Rust as well. Especially with the new recoil changes it's so easy to get killed. too many bushes & tree's everywhere you can't see anything & anybody and everybody can beam you in 2 seconds before you can even react. it's so boring tbh.
Cheating isn't just a rust issue, this is an entire industry wide issue in almost every single FPS on the market.
The community really isn't growing though is it?
Outside of the big twitch OTV spike, rust has slowly been on an upward trend over the last few years.
@@ohgoditsjames94 Yeah, it is.
I feel like adding minicopters killed a lot of the fun, half the fun was if you died going back and fighting. Now with horses, minis, cars, etc, everyone leaves asap and you never get to fight again. Or if you killed someone, running back knowing they’re coming back and you don’t know from where.
This is also my main complaint, it's not boots on the ground action, it rarely is. It's live anywhere, drone stuff from outpost, repeat.
Rust is beautiful because you can play it however you want, but it used to be difficult to make it to tier 3 if you lived on the beach before oil rig and droneshops came.
Now you make a farm and sell cloth for scrap and get everything through drone sales, or you make a boat base and take oil rig, instant tier 2 and potentially guns in the first hour of wipe.
Get a heli and you can go to any monument or safezone easily and relatively safely.
It just doesn't force you to risk anything ever.
i would say yes and no, minis spawning on the road was cool and gave everyone a chance to get one period. now that they're locked behind 750 scrap paywall you have to have that much to spend in the first place & not need it for any other research, which means that big groups who can gather tons of scrap quickly are favored &/or people who main one server are advantaged because they have bps already. definitely agree w the cars though, camper vans and tugboats are fun to play using and 0 fun to play against. horrible additions
truly was the golden age and anyone who disagrees never experienced it
the game is completely fucked now
progression is a joke
I think a big thing is also the lack of actually good servers to play most servers now are made to make money and thats it they have very cheap servers with 100$ p2w kits or you can just play vanilla and spend every second of your freetime just to keep up.
Vanilla or nothing my guy, go play minecraft
Also not to mention the chronic illness of sitting in your base all day
I started playing Rust this summer and I used to watch Rust content very frequently before that, Ramsey got me into it. Always wanted to play Rust. Don't get me wrong I enjoy it, but I gotta say, the best part of Rust is when you are getting your base set up. From the first wood until the last auto turret set up. As soon as your base is fully built, the thrill is mostly gone. Then it becomes a repeated cycle of "lets do cargo" "lets do oil" "lets do bradley" etc. Barely 3-4 hours in wipe and you already have teams fully built with armored doors, sheet metal core and honey comb and compounded. It's a bit sad, because it is way too easy to get the t3 tools stuff. If there was some way to extent this "exploration phase" "building base" phase, that would fix much. Because when you have everything you need, AK, Base and loot after day1 of wipe, no wonder you will have bored people constantly roof camping and griefing etc. Idk, thats my 2 cents.
I think having different servers for different eras of rust will be the best
Is worth mentioning the kinda of players this days
Full server 350 pop and no one roaming the small action you found is 8+ groups fighting outside their base and the other pop chilling in base doing nothing maybe roofcamping or gear fear
U right cuz workbench update ubdont need roam more just loot ur green chest at supermarket and research guns in workbench.
I played rust since the beginning and its not the recoil that bothers me, its the fast pace. Prim stage in the old days was long and fun, now prim stage its the first 30m of the wipe, cars, minis, balloons killed roaming. Just slow the progress and the game will feel rewarding again
man you vids are so nice lol, really enjoy watching them
i think the recoil and some other updates, "brought new people to try the game." but lost some people that was constantly playing, so it feels like is loosing people on some servers
All the people crying about the recoil are the same ones that cryed about the mp5 being meta and how people shouldn't be able to beam you from that far. Those people complaining were all sweats and streamers 😂 Just goes to show you that people with higher hours will never be happy, so either switch it up or cry more
i think the biggest problems are tech tree recoil update too much monuments and the shop system before these updates loot was far harder to obtain and you really needed to work with what you got and for me day one i was always primlocked but due to the shop system and tech tree update you can just farm a little bit and already be in the tier 2 stage of the game
Monuments are good, you just grt too much loot from em
agreed@@WigSplitters
you said it well. seeing that old rust thumbnail brought great memories, the golden days of Rust.
The only few problems I find in playing Rust is IRL free time and server availability,
I'm in Asia country and lately the server that are lower ping are not much so it take time until i manage to find a good server to stay on.
I been playing Rust since 2018 when i was still college student which i still have free time to play Rust day and night, but now when i'm working now its hard to spend time on the game where everything you did yesterday can be reduce to 0 due to offline raid. So i tried to mitigated this by playing on 2x 3x 5x server, but then the loot will be too inflate and people will come at you too fast and you can get raid in 1 day again, which point back to I dont have enough time to play Rust.
As for other stuff the recoil patch i agree with you, it made bad player to average player but i still think that the good player is still good, just that they now have to be careful now that people skill are improve by a lot. I personal dont hate the recoil patch since im part of the bad PvPer so it kinda help me in a PvP but i would still lose when facing a good player.
FP really needs to do something to please all the original players. And i'm pretty sure they will at some point. But if you look at the playercount, the game has been steadily growing. Its still a great game, but, like most games nowadays, changed towards a more casual playstyle. For me the only problem is that rust is still the best game i know, and theres no real competition to even be announced.
exactly too arcade - rust is a week long battle royale now not survival
So i spend 10k h in this game, in my oponion about this is that worst thing that happened was that Alistair was in charge of the project. Alistair is now the main developer and Gary is working on another project, just after Alistair became the main one I see that the game seems to be going in the wrong direction. The game has really changed and most of the updates are good, but the workbench updates and recoil change were critical for me. I also consider the following updates to be incompetent: blocking free viewing, blocking nvidia filters and blocking bloody mice (I don’t like bloody mice).
ok ol'recoil fangirl
@@JunicoNRC piss off, just because you used to be prim locked when there was a skill gap in the game
U were bad in prime rust and now yapping about old recoil st1f1u honestly@@JunicoNRC
@@JunicoNRC Im still better even with new recoil.
@@darkopz I call him incompitent not cuz he stop exploits, but cuz he just bock and nothing more. Why ppl used filters? Cuz game doesnt look colorful, yes some ppl used filters to see at night, but that was cuz game at night is just black screen, u see only back screen.
Mouse block give nothing, cuz there is .exe scripts, .lua scripts on other mouse. Free viewing exploit was cuz player camera is not on head but on chest, and they did it not in good way.
So just block everything what make exploit isnt competent.
Playing Rust between 2018-2020 was amazing, I always played solo and my biggest group I ever played with was 6 people, had legit the most fun I've ever had on a game, probably put in 2,400 hours in that time span, currently sitting at 2500....
I was typically good at games naturally. Rust was the one game I got absolutely SHIT on as a new player in 2020. Getting shit and realizing the skill gap the game provided... that's what made me fall in love with the game. Rust will always live on and continue to grow... but it is past the golden age. 2021 Rust will forever live in my heart 😌
Bring back old recoil. I had almost perfect spray with a full-time job. It's doable, and the game was challenging. Getting high-tier items and spray control is way too easy. It's very easy to get an AK a few hours into wipe. I started playing back in 2018 and it is so different.
Honestly, I only got into Rust again after many of the newer updates because originally when I first started playing around 2018, the course of progression got really stale after the many wipes I grinded xD. Nowadays there are so many ways to play and progress into a wipe and that's really what got me back into playing again. But I do feel the OG players with the AK recoil changes 💔
glad you enjoy it. Most updates are actually really fun
something that also made me not actually play anymore is the fact they changed how the ak looked
What they need to do is release a Old School Rust. Like Old School Runescape. Roll the updates back to around before the recoil change and let servers choose to be New School or Old School. So you are either playing old recoil with no recent updates, no new building skins, no tug boat, etc. Or you are playing new school and getting the fresh DLC comsetic jangling keys in front of you content drip that every game seems to need. Also I would personally roll old school to before the update before the minicopter as I think thats when rust was at its peak sociobility, and peak simple but effective game design.
For me rust bring me more joy than it used to and i have been playing since 2018 and have 3400 hours .The reason is that i quit gaming and i play only during longer breaks, estimating i play once 2-3 months in consequence i can't wait for every wipe i play and even hiting ores is pleasant.
Please fix the gunplay...it needs a skillcap again...that's why everyone got addicted to this game. People came online to get better. Now every player is worth the same and you only win with large groups. Learnable recoils are key, whether you want to hear it or not.
I loved the guns when they first changed from legacy to new rust
@@Steve-O1992cuz ur bad at the game
That point you made about team UI resonated with me a lot. I remember when it first came out and I was like shit now imma really suck against groups
yk when I started rust I was bad af with guns since it was hard af, but after playing for some times and practising my aim and seeing it becomes better... I was feeling accomplished like "finally I have done it" but than some random dude comes up and kills me and that pushed me to get better at the game. Now days I cant get that feeling anymore, everything becomes pointed on luck no need any skill only need some gamesense and luck and that's it. oh And I remember the times that me and my bois go to oil rig with bows and pumps to get weapons since it was the easiest way to get good guns and some good loot. but now its does not matter who goes to oil first anymore since all you gotta do is farm scrap and unlock it from workbench. nowadays having playtime over 1k does not matter since there is no recoil.
I think its silly people moaning about the recoil and they want old recoil back, only because they sweated 1k+ hours learning it to kill "noobs", the game still has a skill gap due to your awareness around you, the only problem with this spray pattern is specifically cheaters, their crazy common lately.
Recoil is very over exaggerated. I mean look at old Rust. There was never a crazy pattern for the AK and the game was still very fun. I just think the game is super stale. Has nothing to do with the mechanics anymore
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@@ItsAlpathe spray pattern for the ak was wild. I can spray my real ak better then a rust ak. When the only players who used ak were the top 1% of players and cheaters they needed to change it
@@gingershrimp4024 dude they made the recoil easy and now there are more cheaters then before so idk what you mean
@@EXP256 bs. Back in the day like half the "beamers" were just scripting.
The old recoil actually benefitted bigger groups, at least to me it felt like the old game and style was based around numbers. A clan filled with people who have over 1k hours, and are able to beam you from 1000 meters away isn't fun, and it's not a long term way to have a healthy game. The game has defiantly changed, has all things will, and just because the game is in a state atm that is less than ideal for some, that doesn't mean it wont ever change, and as long as the rust creators, and community cares, the game will have a place. You don't realize how good something is until you lose it.
I mean the game will always be based around numbers. In my opinion the advantage a group of 8 people have now and before is huge if that makes sense. But in general the rust creators and developers are doing a good job :)
@@Gamesense1I wish they wouldn’t add so much random stuff
@@RustyBear i think that they're just trying to add variety into the game, but i dont really know if that was ever a major problem. Always seems like there's been multiple ways to play/enjoy the game. They are definitely trying to cater to casuals, but as time goes on we'll see if it pays off into making the game longer lasting and more open to all.
@@Gamesense1 Yeah you're right, the game always had inherent advantages to bigger groups. Yeah i get whatchu mean, it lowered the skill gap in general, widening the gap for numbers. I think rust is overall still in a good spot. But the game defitnely has changed a lot, but this is kind of a common thing for every game ever pretty much. I.E league of legends, so many people who have played that game for a long time(me included) feels like it's just not the same. Perhaps the changes that have been implemented into rust could be considered a form of, "power creep".
well worded, could not agree more@@marshalljett4999
2016 was peak rust. Graphics were pleasant, building was simple and still had cool things you could do like wall stack, and recoil was random so you weren’t getting beamed from 200M+ away
Got the game in 2019, played 2.2k hours and stopped playing much after the recoil change. I miss the old days
game so boringgggg
I put in 6k and just dropped after the recoil changes. Yeah changing the recoil and making it more casually friendly is good in the short term but those players don't stick around for the long haul
i miss the days of being able to chase a group through the trees solo and take them down becuase you just have recoil skills like that
They flattened the terrain with the car update but it just made hiding from clans even more difficult, and the bush nerf was also terrible for underdog players.
People forget Rust used to be full of tallgrass and hills everywhere lmao it felt so much cozier.
I've been thinking about this lately. Rust used to look way better and really added to the immersion of the game. With he exception of those steep-ass unclimbable mountains we used to get.
I agree with you. The reason i kept playing was beacuse, it felt like i could improve endlessly with recoil and such. Now i just feel like i have 10k hours and for what? I get in a fight vs 3 newer player, and lose to aimcone... Shit sucks.
I agree with a lot of this video. I would like to see the team system just turn into an ally system; which is already in the game. With the ally system your "friendlies" name doesn't pop up until you're pretty close to them. However you can extend this quite a bit by waving with a "wave check". Maybe get rid of the team system altogether and incentivize people making allies and making it somewhat easy to see them. As someone who's played since early 2015 in groups of 1-5. Having the old system of bi-weekly wipes made it a lot more fun to go around a server with old decaying bases almost like they were player made dungeons. However this was before TC locks were added. Instead of just looting the bases and researching before the next real wipe we'd actually stay on and play because wipe wasn't for another 7 or 6 days. I just feel like they went into a weird direction with the npc quests, drone shops and on a side note the blatantly pay-to-win-esque dlc/skins. I really wanted them to incentivize people talking to one another on the map and making dynamic player made content their focus. They already got zergs why not bake into the game to show their power and make them an enemy of solo's everywhere incentivizing them to team with randoms to just hurt them. I'd love to see other view points below
I was never able to play pc rust in its golden age before 2022, but damn am I so glad I got to watch so many videos of it😢
Having 1800 hours and most of that being from 2018-2020. I quit after the recoil update, I recently came back and brought a few friends who could never get into it before. We had a good time and now their hooked. There is tons of newer people playing the game as well. While the recoil change made the skill gap less in gun play, game sense and logic in fighting takes you a long way. I can still revo to ak and proceed to wipe teams by myself. I found that I encountered way too many recoil script users back in the day. Now it doesnt matter if you have a script I still might have a chance.
what a great video, I play rust since its launch on steam, and i loved every moment, but all good things come to an end, and now I mostly watch videos about, and like you said, every blue moon, the boys and I join the game to troll and have fun!
lets see whats rust future, specially with Unity making their changes, rust team might do a rust 2 or something like that, so hopefully the hype comes back those OG players
Ive played Rust since Legacy and Although I haven't put in that many hours into it. I keep playing because when it first announced, And when I saw Frankie1080p playing this, I was so hyped, I enjoyed the good times on Legacy, I didn't get much of a big chance to play Rust during its Beta, I rejoined in during the time Mini's were added, And I kept playing because I loved the direction the game was going. Even with the Recoil rework (Which I personally do Enjoy) I still keep playing no matter what, the True enjoyment of playing rust was more than just the killing, It was the raiding, The building, Losing and then getting back up and claiming your revenge. Sure the change is debatable on whether its good or bad, But is it stopping you from playing? Not really, I'm not giving up and going to another game, Ive been with rust since the near beginning Just like I was with Team fortress 2, and Like both of them I love and devote myself to spending time and making new good times as I can.
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I miss the old Rust... Not only for the old recoil (because i was kinda good at it but not a PvP Chad either, i was average... Winning good amount of fights but still loosing sometimes) so yeah i miss old recoil but it's okay, the thing i spotted the most is... are the Rust's Devs tryna kill solo gameplay ?? Like, have you guys noticed how LITERALLY every update, changes something that give even more advantages to groups and disadvantage for solos? They modify and remove things, in a way to make Solo's life a nightmare... (either it affects stealth ,so solos have a harder time to sneak up and groups and make some plays) either it affects PvP (as you said in the video, with that new recoil, groups are like a Zombie hord), there's that well known sentence in Rust, when you pvp: "There's always one more" (Basically when you're a solo, you wipe an entire team of 6,just you alone, you feel happy and proud of what you've done, theeeen there's a 7th member of the group that jumpscares the shit outta you and kill you. Nothing more frustrating than that... So yeah i'm running out of examples but am i the only one to feel like every new updates, makes it harder and harder for solo players ? As if solo experience wasn't hard already...Basically if you play alone in Rust, with no-one to watch your backs, you struggle soooo much, it has become so hard to make plays and clutches as a solo vs groups , even fighting a Trio or Squad has become hard. A solo vs a trio is hard nowadays. Back in the old Rust, if the trio had bad communication, or lack of gamesense, ooor bad recoil control, etc, you could just take them down one after the other, making them running in circles tryna find where you hide, outsmarting them, until the whole squad was dead. Now they just all yell in their Discord VCs "GEARED GUY 160° ON THE COMPASS !!" and they all mag-dump their gun in your direction and you die in less that 1.5seconds (talking about gun mags, wtf is it about that extended magazine accessory?? 38 bullets in an AK47 is fucking OP even more with that new ,easy af recoil the Ak has...anyway).
true story. i was so proud being the only guy in the zerg who was allowed to carry AK since i was the only guy knowing how to play it. i almost cried when rust changed to modern warfare.. i still play, but the adrenalin rush is gone..
BEST CLIP I EVER SAW IN YEARS ! Mate, you are very good at this !
I play rust console and when it 1st dropped since SOOO many people didn’t know how to play nor control the weapons it actually felt like a true survival game😂 there wasn’t a lot of pvp such as roams just pvp at events and whenever you catch someone farming and running monuments it was truly about out survival and that was it then in about a 2 month everyone learned what to do and everything changed
Bro the first few months of rust console was insane. I saw less than 5 multi TC bases in the first 6 months of playing. It was crazy.
Now we have crazy huge teams with Cronus all the time, and the devs have added split glitch back into the game like 3 times, and I still don’t think they’ve fixed the boat glitch. It’s mad
started playing during the old recoil day and racked up about 2.6k hours. Gotta say the game has definitely changed to something else but I try to stay optimistic and enjoy the new era. i Can't see myself putting the game down for a while even if newer changes aren't great or necessary.
i realy felt that, everything u said is true and its sad because first rig was everytime fighhting 100 people now u are glad to see one group and some grubs to come, old days when affinity, moose and vital was on top were nice
I still FULLY believe that the recoil change was the worst thing Facepunch ever did to the game. When I started playing I couldn't use any of the guns besides the revolver, it was impossible. Then I started practicing, I'd go on UKN for an hour before I went on the actual servers. Doing this over months I got really good at recoil control, then I translated that into the actual game. I slowly progressed and actually became fairly good. Then BOOM they take it away and replace it with guns that don't have recoil. It was a slap to the face.
Agree with everything but you have to adapt to win.
Large numbers comes with its cost as well.
Easier to deep on, pick off kits and learn their movements to jump teams.
Larger rewards too when beating a group.
I think they could fix most of the issues by simply adding a feature for servers to switch from old recoil to the current one and add more diversity for each biomes, like waterfalls, actual rivers, actual Mountains etc, cause it looks too much similar and limits the survival aspect.
Rust is doing amazing if u look at the stats #12 on most played games list first 4 are free to play games as well. Oldies cant stop complaining about the recoil
-50k peak and -11k average since recoil update.... also recoil isnt the biggest problem in the game currently there's a massive list.
I really miss the good old days from 2015 to 2021! Mostly the years from 2017-2021 tho! Great video! Completely agree!
2016 Rust was the best personally to me. Nothing can top it.
if you think about it they can still bring back old recoil since they changed it after so many years, so there is a possibility old recoil could come back
Changing blueprint system to tech tree really changed the excitement of finding a garage door. Just scrap now
used to take legitimately 20 - 30 hours to get good with old recoil
literally nobody wanted to try though 👍
I think I'm the only one that remembers the days of legacy rust. I remember when the rust that you all are sad is gone was called "Experimental Rust" and was really REALLY buggy.
I’ve got 4k hours, 3.8-3.9k are from old recoil. The start of wipe I still feel like I am a bit over average… the first… 30min before the groups get t2/t3 guns and I get shat on because the only thing they know is pressing W wins the fight.
I miss back when 5x5 peekdowns was wild lol
We need the option for New recoil and old recoil patterns in Servers I think that would revive rust A LOT
For some reason people always talk about how the game was "originally" aimed at competitive players with the recoil patterns. But originally the game had random recoil, then aimcone, and then it finally went to patterns. It was always aimed toward casual players. The only one that wasn't aimed toward casuals was the patterns. Thats why most people who have been playing since legacy or early new rust quit at that time.
Would be good if they made a "classic" rust with the old component system and gun mechanics. that was prime rust
Sometimes I watch old Ramsey videos. Man, those were the days...
A lot of players who are content creators I feel like devoted so much to rust and it was their only game that they don't know how to move away from it. Like frost used to be in a constant group and almost all of his old friends from before recoil change have now left the game. Hes stuck playing though, its hard to tell if hes enjoying it or if he doesn't have anything better to go to.
I have like 2k hours but I started playing in 2021 around the underwater labs update. By the time the new recoil came out I was getting really good with how the game was before so when they switched everything up I got cucked. Although I wasn’t playing very long before new recoil, I really do miss old rust. It used to be so much fun.
gold times for rust were 2016, 2017 and 2018, i remember those years well
miss the 2015,2016 rust, the old bp system. maan those days were the best
i think the reason i struggle to enjoy Rust now is because I'm 30 years old now, constantly tired, and Rust keeps me stressed out and on the edge of my seat in hyper alertness scared i'll die at any moment
I have like 5k hours and I find myself getting off after a week 1 on monthly servers. I duo with one of my co workers and that is what revived my passion for it because with home, I played different. It’s a lot to experience from the game I would suggest switching it up doing different things. My first 3k hours was farming and staying in a general area. Hemp farming to get scrap for explosives vs farming sulf noids. It’s still farming and take time to turn in the hemp but it’s different from traditional bode farming.. it’s things like that you could change.. on wipe today I will build by oil for the first time ever and try it out. I play solo servers btw.. and once I get tired of that I’ll move to main vanilla and go against groups like the content creators do. But I am tired of playing my style and I miss opportunity by staying in general area..
Didn’t have a pc in those older days of rust, bought it on ps4 when it came out there and despised the sweaty kids spending all night waiting for my old ass to go to sleep.
Eventually elevated to pc gaming and now enjoy rust on a calm pve server that’s got the vanilla grind and just lets me do as I please. At 42 I don’t have time to focus exclusively playing this game. I got other things to do, so it’s nice to know my base will always be there the way I play regardless of how busy my day is.
"Jump check, jump check," good times
Did you make a new channel or is it renamed?
Ohh good i was waiting a new video dude thanks a lot
Not sure why we cant have certain servers that play with old recoil. Have some servers use old and have some use new so we have the option.
i couldnt have said it better, there is too much of too many things. sometimes less is more and i wish someone in the facepunch team had realized it sooner rather than later😔 i havent played rust in a coupple years now but even towoards the end of my time in rust a coupple years ago i started enjoyig pvp less and less..... this lead to me going in to my deamon arc, becoming one of the most hated player on any server i played, i love the grind, i love getting good, but when the skill expresion you could reach before was removed the skill gap was too small, i ressorted to just being the most PERSISTANT MOTHER FUC*ER and literally just farminng, i love the grind, sure the grind back in the day was more fun, but this was a new way for me to grind the game, how much sulfur can i farm and how many bases can i offline raid, how INSANELY RICH can i get.... i know this is looked down upon by most of the community but to be honest i think it was a great way to end the game, i had become what i used to hate more then LITERALLY ANYTHING..... i had reached the end of my journey to take a different path..... i had finished the entire "sircle of life" (rust) and my journey had come to an end, now i cant hate on facepunch too much, i must give credit where credit is due and for the better part of the games lifetime it was great, for me at least. i have had lots of fun and met lots of good friennd and i will NEVER take that for granted♥ sadly its just not for me anymore🥺
One thing people tend to forget is that the server limits used to be like 50, and that seemed like a lot at the time. Now the servers everyone plays on are 300 players or more.
Even if you do try low pop, the map is still massive so its harder to even find people.
I played before and after recoil, and I personally don't think that made a difference. I think the recoil just gave script bros unlimited power.
I disagree about guns, I feel like there are hardly any guns anymore. Most of the gun crates are super trash, and you have to do the monument puzzles to get the elite crates, which still have a lot of junk in the loot tables. The only people who get guns are the sweaty try hards who start on wipe day.
I think they made the game to grindy. They really leaned into the tech tree and made grinding for scrap too important. I miss when I could find guns at monuments and immediately get into some good combat, instead of having prim gear until I either strictly follow some try hard meta or grind endlessly.
I think we've both had 2 very different experiences, I've played Rust since legacy.
I played Rust, you guys played Repopulation. Unit. Survival. Test.
Tbh guns are only rare on wipe day or maybe 2 days if bp wipe, bith sars and tommys are rather cheap, i usually see ammo/meds as more expensive/valuable. I do think the game revolves around bps to much now and that creates a rather boring meta.
There needs to be servers with old rust stuff, like 2019 version of the game, whoever wants to play it can the rest can play normal servers
yeah i love to remember the days you could play like 2-3 weeks and the server would be still full with people.
I personally think that the tech tree should be time limited, for example you can only tech tree to tier three stuff at say day 3 or 4 of wipe. Where as going out to find guns to research is rewarded by being able to research them early, this would incentivise players to roam for guns early wipe to try and get an advantage over others creating more pvp and disincentivising just campaign a monument for scrap till they have enough to go straight to ak.
Yup, the skill gap made sense. Now it’s just ak within a few hours and raiding in 6. As a 3 man.