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This week Microsoft's new Copilot+ PCs with Snapdragon chips were announced, Samsung got in trouble with the repair community and features like Recall will reserve 25GB - 150GB of your storage, and we got rumors of foldable Macbooks.
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0:00 Intro
0:26 The Brief
1:58 Release Monitor
3:52 Microsoft Recall's memory problem
5:34 Samsung repair insanity
6:45 Foldable MacBooks - Věda a technologie
Imagine going to a Samsung approved repair shop and them disassembling an unauthorized repair part, and then handing back your PC, after telling you "that's Samsung policy".
Sounds like asus rma process
Samsung has a privacy policy unlike Microsoft I need to go back to Samsung even if it's the A series Smartphones I miss my A02s small storage but has a simcard slot so I wasn't too worried about it I never really cared for 4k or 8k or this k and that k it's a damn scam and drains your battery maybe on a computer or SmartTV but Smartphones need worked on I just switched to Linux and not going back for a long time.
Isn't that literal stealing, because you damage.someone else's property that Samsung doesn't have any right of modification beyond software anymore ?
Disassembling someone's phone can't be legal. When cars first became popular in the United States, some states required car owners to disassemble if a horse was startled.
@@sub_rapierAt most, they can say have you agree to the terms that they’ll alter the device in that way upon you turning in the phone.
But it would be illegal if they just did that without telling you that was a service requirement
To be fair, all MacBooks fold.
Yeah, the ‘book’ part in the name is a bit of a giveaway isn’t it? 😎
That’s nuts
Wait, what?! mine has been open since I turn it on for the first time.
So do all iPads if a little bit too much force is applied.
@@GeoStreberJerryRigEverything approved
Apple with their classic "fck you" move. Who could have thought? It's not like they move to USB-C out of courtesy and generosity.
yeah they are at the top of a**hole companies, but it seems like Samsung is trying to catch up.
Seriously! I love how after they were forced to adopt usb-c, they put out a press release making it seem like it was their idea all along because they care. Pure. Greedy. Evil.
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they switched all ports of their macs back in 2016, and we all had to use dongles for everything else. We didnt even have Magsafe.
Also, they switched ipads from lightning to USB-C back in 2018.
All these big companies are guilty of this sort of marketing, remember when Apple deleted the headphone jack and Samsung beat their chest in media saying look we still have a headphone jack, and not long down the track Samsung did exactly the same thing,
And then Apple removed the charger and accessories that used to always come with a new phone, same thing all over again with Samsung again mocking Apple and then doing exactly the same thing, and Samsung was on a roll then, galaxy phones in the non ultra models downgraded the screens from 2k to 1080 p and around that time they also deleted the glass backs for plastic 😂 , talk about penny pinching.
And check out this bulldust with repairs on the galaxy devices , just disgraceful , and this is why I stopped buying galaxy phones.
Samsung years ago used to be the best , this is why I no longer buy samsung gear.@@JasonReagan84
@@JasonReagan84It only took a government to enforce it, the European one :)
Windows can copilot these nuts.
Kinky. Or rapey, depending on perspective.
thats amazing, im stealing that.
Of all the choices Microsoft have made recently, Recall is easily the one pushing me the hardest to move to another OS.
I'm testdriving Windows 10 LTSC at the moment and if I'm happy with it after my evaluation period I will be switching the rest of my workstations to it. Things are looking good so far. I CAN UNINSTALL EDGE.
4:00 way to kill SSD lifespan by endlessly spamming iops... Not to mention how creepy it is giving a huge corporation permission to screenshot everything you do on your (their ?) PC.
Wouldn't that kill an HDD equally as quickly? I can't imagine that any storage type likes constant polling except RAM.
Those sceenshot is stored locally..that is why those feature use more drive storage.
@@RokeJulianLockhart.s13ouq probably, but for the different reasons. SSDs have limited numbers of written TB (250GB ssd will forseeably end its lifespan after about 150TB written).
HDDs will have an extra hard time moving head from writing sectors position to writting sectors, and while they are officialy not limited by amount of written data, it'd make them extra slow and add strain to its moving parts.
In theory this is true, but we don't know how much space will be used per day, it will obviously depend on the amount and kind of things done, but if it were like 200 GB a year, in ten years it would be 2 TB, so insignificant on SSD life.
It's even worse when you realize that they programmed it so it won't capture any DRM content like Netflix, so they are going out of their way to protect other corporations while literally recording everything you do.
Being able to turn Recall off is not really a guarantee tho. We're talking about Microsoft and Windows here.
First, they most definitely they'll hide this setting super deep so that most don't even find it (rather than freely give up their privacy) and secondly you just can't trust MS and Windows that it actually remains off. They do that all the time that you turn something "off" just so that it's automatically turned on again later, without any notification or whatever.
In Windows your options often aren't "yes" or "no" but instead "yes" and "bother me later".
...I mean 99% of windows settings you can literally type into the search bar and the relevant setting window will come up. That's how I turned off all of the cortana and ad stuff on my windows 10 machine. Didn't take diving into the catacombs to find.
Technically disabling bitlocker should prevent Recall from working, along with not using a M$ account as copilot requires both, technically....
well the biggest market for this is going to be business. And they will not give you the option to disable it. It will be on recording everything their workers do. Two things I will bet good money will happen in the next 2 years. Firstly Recall will turn itself back on during a forced Windows update. Microsoft will explain that default states are just applied and by default its on. So most people won't even know its on. Secondly and this is the big one and the entire reason Recall exists IMO. Around 12 months into this Microsoft will announce quietly that it will begin uploading your encrypted images to their servers for EXTRA processing to make your search results even better! You can of course opt out of this.....sure Microsoft, sure we can. And that data will then be used to train a LLM how to use Windows. Or rather how we humans use Windows across millions of varied circumstances. It's just exactly what they need right now with copilot trying to become some super assistant.
And while I'm tin foil hatting. By the next version of Windows Recall with be an integral part of Windows itself. There will be no off button for it. It will do far more too and just automatically upload everything you do. I would imagine it would start to interrupt you also. So say I'm about to throw a file in this one location. It will grab it and put it where it should go. A bit like auto correct with spelling but for what you're doing in Windows. Recall has a bright future for Microsoft, I just don't think most people are seeing it for what it really is.
Hey y'all should get the O&O Shutup10++ program. It allows you to disable telemetry and tinker with other privacy settings
@@ClayMann I am not sure that they'll need to move the screenshots to their servers, it would be the easyest way, but it would raise a lot of red flags, they could recognize some usage patterns locally and share them. As it is not puctures people would be less scared
Microsoft online account used to be non mandatory for home user too. .
The option to turn it off is there FOR NOW.
OK, time to learn Linux, this time for real. 😢
Fr if you actually wanna learn Linux I learned by watching the Linux expirement 🙃
I got a good deal on a MacMini M1 for 350€, MacOS is suprisingly clean from Apple's usually bullshit. The window management is bad but fixable and it's not locked down like in terms of sideloading.
Also Updates for MacOS are painless compared to Windows and no ADs baked in.
@@2failepic I should be dumb to use any Apple device, the company I hate the most.
@@littleharry7977 now learn how to make apps for linux to learn how much your gui protocols suck. This must be fixed because mass people and devs move to linux.
MentalOutlaw on installing Gentoo. Priceless xD
"[Qualcomm] Chips might be cheaper?" Prices were announced (leaked) and they are definitely cheaper.
The laptops don't get cheaper though
@@zanblr Remember, price cuts don't trickle down.
Time to get rid of copilot
You were using Copilot?
I never even used Cortana back in the day, let alone use Copilot today. Just disable everything you can.
Copilot is finishing where Cortana left off do they think we're that stupid Microsoft is gullible!!!!
I keep removing it. They keep adding it back after every update lol
First thing I do is turn all that crap off, it's more annoying than useful and uses processor and memory I would rather allocate to something useful.
As someone working purely on windows (sadly) for years with very diverse tasks, I have yet to find any use for AI (besides one-off random easy task), and do not see any reason for this sort of hype. Recall option feels absolutely useless as well. Yes, once in a lifetime you can recall maybe successfully something random on your screen (unlikely though), but thats not a feature, that's a gimmick in my books.
Let's see whether we see a benefit when people actually start using Recall. Some things can better be judged when practically trying them.
100GB allocated storage for Microsoft Recall is insane. I'd rather waste it on some AAA games or storing downloaded YT videos than allocating it for Microsoft Recall
Ya, no.. I have used Windows personally and as a core part of my career for decades and I have no interest in this AI fad that Microsoft and others are pushing increasingly heavily.
It's bad enough that the OS is littered with "suggestions" and app links I never asked for, and that telemetry can't be fully disabled, and that perfectly usable devices are to be made obsolete so Microsoft can push even more of this junk through Windows 11.
No thanks. I'm giving serious thought to moving to Linux for my home environment. I just need a Server 2019 AD/GPO replacement that doesn't take a Linux guru or infinite patience to setup and I'll be off I think.
@@sihamhamda47 So many people lacking reading comprehension. You can lower it to 25GB on a 1TB drive and down to 10GB on the lower storage drives. You can also disable the feature altogether.
Yeh, I thought exactly the same, seems like a gimmick rather than anything you would use regularly.
Fuck that windows. No way
This is where linux comes to play
@@pikagamer9676💪🏽. Linux, ollama and a few scripts. Git gud, Ai with none of the Microsoft bloat. 🤤
There's still too many programs I use that aren't available on Linux, it sucks to not be able to make the switch yet
First make the lives of our devs a breeze with a consistent GUI protocol. No really okayish org gonna target your platform because of how much your gui protocols diversify. I never believe that linux gui games are gonna to come that uses the native system
@@PomuLeafEveryday there are always OSS version of all the programs avaialbe on Linux (for instance use GIMP instead of PS) or play games through Wine (you would have to do some adjustments, but its not a problem if you are a skilled user)
Unlike telemetry, Microsoft's Recall feature is such a big privacy nightmare and potential attack vector that I wouldn't trust it even when turned off. A single flag should not stand between me and my OS analysing my every action. That being said, I am still looking to buy a Snapdragon X laptop if they support Linux and I am able to use the NPU for data science.
It would have to be an open source effort like with M-series macs. You can use those with Linux already btw.
I am seriously considering moving to Linux.
i have been since windows 11 released and windows 10 was announced EoL in 2025
I switched to Linux about a year ago after being frustrated with Microsoft, and at least for my needs I couldn't be happier, it just works. I have everything I need to daily drive my PC, and perhaps more importantly I have nothing else. Also, I'm not personally a big gamer, but to my total surprise the few PC games I play work completely fine with Steam Proton, I couldn't tell they are being emulated.
@@benoitrousseau4137Proton is based on Wine, and its devs don’t want people to call it an emulator.
"Wine (originally an acronym for 'Wine Is Not an Emulator') is a compatibility layer capable of running Windows applications on several POSIX-compliant operating systems, such as Linux, macOS, & BSD. Instead of simulating internal Windows logic like a virtual machine or emulator, Wine translates Windows API calls into POSIX calls on-the-fly, eliminating the performance and memory penalties of other methods and allowing you to cleanly integrate Windows applications into your desktop."
Just remember to start off with Mint instead of Ubuntu, Manjaro, Pop_OS, etc.
Many beginners make the mistake of choosing the latter ones because they're the most well-known names among non-linux-users and end up with a horrible user experience.
@@RogueParatha i much rather get manjaro or arch.
i tried mint, it's alright, but i want something different and manjaro looks good, arch i tried out and learned the hard way that not installing konsole, pacman and a web browser is a mistake, but this happened within a virtual machine luckily
I saw a comment weeks ago that getting sold was humane's vision all along
Of course it was, a scam right from the start
Actually a lot of people thought about that, and they were right
Why do I feel like companies are just inventing things we don't need now?
After the smartphone nothing really need to have was invented.
Lol. That is what companies do.
Now?! You mean, As Usual...
Got to keep the industry churning.
I have heard “AI” so many times the last week my head is spinning. I feel that corporations are just more interested in AI than I am. I wonder if the extreme emphasis on AI in product development and advertising may be out of touch with what consumers want.
AI isn't for regular people such as us, it's for rich people.
Ai just machine learning with steroid, except ai develop in quantum computer, AI just massive library book with good search engine and give just what we want
Microsoft thought they can rehash your average school spyware into some AI gimmick.
Sailfish has been my daily driver since their very first release... cheers from Costa Rica!
I'm having visions of when Microsoft search came out and it crippled local pc performance by indexing continuously in the background
Beating an M3 Air with 4 P (+ 4 E) cores by only 23% with 12 P cores isn't a brag... but so many OEMs are behind the chips they must be pretty good.
I agree with you, especially when the M1 Ultra quadtrupled the bacis M1 cores/performance, and still only had 16 power cores. And their 12 power cores can't even increase the performance any further (just 10% improved performance when you increase the power consumption with 250%? Because from 23W to 80W is about 250% extra what they use for that 10% extra performance)
not to mention Air doesn't have a fan, while Surface does
It is a brag if the cost of the chip is less, no?
can't think of one situation that warranted a 24/7 screen recording app as a solution to my forgetfulness or curiosity. screen recording and screen share reserved for presentations and blog/socials. besides the idea of a backdoor to the "feature" for live monitoring is a thing besides riping the recall info from the pc.
6:46 hey Apple, I bet you can’t make a worse keyboard than that butterfly fiasco.
Tim Apple: Hold my cider….
150GB just to spy on me? Insane.
Won't the heavy use of local memory wear out the SSD very quickly?
who cares, move fast and break things is the way for almost all tech at this point
probably.. but its then Microsoft they will now save SSD's by storing the data in the cloud instead.
Probably future laptops will have a special inaccessible storage just for AI. Because there is also security risks with that many screenshots.
@@ksh6I can’t tell if you’re being ironic. You mean that as a dystopian prediction, right? And by inaccessible storage you just mean storage? Because if it’s accessible to an AI, then it’s accessible, just with an extra step. Personal files stored on your computer so they’re not accessible by you, only by a third party? Perhaps a better term would be malware or maybe spyware?
Probably not. I’ve had 16 GB swap on a 512 GB SSD in Linux for 2 years and it’s only at 4% wear level.
I have no care in the world for foldable phones. All i want is rollable. Please, tech companies work on improving rollable
Damn Samsung I just bought the S24 Ultra in February (pre Order Discount) and now I feel bad because I gave them my money for being so b*itchy😮💨😒. But it's a great phone and I hope it will last me 4-5 years.
It is amazing how companies can change mate , what i think it comes down to is when big companies have a Leadership change , you might have a very fair minded leader that wants to give the customer good value , then a different more ambitious leader takes over that is all about making money and points for himself.
I started buying Samsung gear in 2012 , you can see a change in the way companies do business over time.
Don't worry, it will last. Maybe even into 2030s. It is very well build. I also purchased one, and I research a lot before buying.
The price of components of s24 Ultra are significantly cheaper than that of S22U or S23U too, incase you need repair.
People have stopped replacing phones regularly, so Samsung hopes to now make money by selling AI subscription to you in the future, so now it is in their interest too that you are using their device.
Is that Samsung repairability news that surprising?
Trying to get even greedier than Apple
Face of Samsung: “We make repairable products unlike Apple!”
Actual Samsung: “We make products that shame us to Apple!”
That program is like exact same as Apple then, according to Louis Rossmann videos from few years ago. You can't get parts you need, need to report all customers info, need to account for all the parts you used, self snitch on all the things you cant really have (anything that isnt provided by Apple) and you have to sign NDA so you cant say how shit program it is without facing legal action.
@@HarrisonLuiEKYiss not something new, they posted once an image stating that their phones do include chargers, 1 year later they removed them and deleted the post
No, they got used OLED screen imports for their phones banned last year from the USA.
Stuff like Nvidia's stock and Recall just make me feel that AI is just another bubble. Companies are putting way too much money on it before actually finding real uses for it. Eventually AI is going to be a very big part in very niche applications and the thing that small companies use to make their promotion material and the voice assistant on your phone.
AI is the realization for an automation of tasks we’ve been dreaming up since the Mechanical Turk. If you want a real bubble look at crypto.
@@doujinflip you sound exactly like NFT bros who told nft/block chain was the future and will be used in everything.
Not really. It never was a bubble. the AI is the future
Just like AI is getting its own dedicated chips - NPU
Manufacturers ought to eventually implement dedicated storage/memory for AI - AI SSD & RAM
I still don't understand how so many people got fooled into jumping on the AI bandwagon like it was some real hot stuff.
The investor class is dumb and chases buzz words
Thats what marketing does to human mind. Heck, if they market it honestly, all these Ai-products will be called "Human Personality and Data Harvester for Enhanced Supercomputing for Big Businesses Use" and people will still fall for it. Thats why they push and integrate this Ai-product into almost everything despite of having lesser demand from consumers. All the data they gathered can be utilized to offset the backlashes they receives and potentially become a huge profit-maker as well.
It's the equivalent of 3D tv.
@@user-ce8ut8hr9k 3D TV was actually cool tho
I just saw a video of a women talking about AI taking over jobs and everyone in the comments were saying AI will remove 90% of the jobs. Only one thing was recollected in my mind, NFT bros few yrs ago
What does it even mean, foldable MacBook? Aren't they already foldable? Isn't that like the main feature of literary every laptop?
Honestly I may consider using Linux as a daily driver.
I kept windows for the convenience of having window and not dealing with Linux lacking some stuff I need for work but if they are planning to have fun with my data, their push for AI is sickening. I want a PC to get things done not a toy why they think we want all of this?
I'm surprised Jolla is still alive after more than a decade of nothing.
They still updated SailfishOS and made it avidible for new hardware
@@perfektpeter8037 That's true
@@perfektpeter8037 Yeah but how is it? It looks way better than Android and iOS 12 years ago, dunno about now.
Aren't laptops foldable already? Do you mean they're now the foldable Nokia b4 Samsung and Huawei made full touch screen on them and a chappy battery?
All of AI things are a privacy and a security nightmares.
And for that Jolla I advice everyone "do not fall for that", there is no privacy with AI.
Starting to regret that i got windows on my laptop that originally ran linux
you can always dualboot
I really like the 3:2 ration Microsoft uses in their screens.
Wow! Microsoft have figured out how to slow your machine down. That's new!
Given the application software compatibility issues, I expect that adoption of Snapdragon X (Elite) will meet with some resistance by consumers. Of course, technologists (including me) will purchase either the Snapdragon Dev Kit or a laptop equipped with one of the CPUs.
Bro said "Foldable Macbooks" as if Macbooks don't fold.
Sounds like Recall will screw up our SSDs in no time.
wouldnt be surprised if windows 12 requires these ai pcs
Then we have a vista situation but worse, since then 99% of machines are locked out and you can't demand that every user buys a expensive AI PC just to get more ads into Windows. If they do that and drop windows 11 support as quick as they did with windows 10 Microsoft has lost
I already use Ubuntu for my laptop and i’m thinking to install some SteamOS like distro on my Lenovo Legion GO in the future. Microsoft it’s getting mad on Windows.
The moment I head that Recall used screenshots I knew that the service would AT LEAST require Call-of-Duty-scale storage
Sounds like a good excuse to spin up a Windows 7 Ultimate build.
They backported the Win8 telemetry to 7 a looong time ago...
I need Windows 11 looks + Windows 7 Microsoft or I will switch to a Mac…
@@HarrisonLuiEKYissmake it using linux lol i would recommend something running kde plasma for appearance customisation
0:47 😂😂😂 best line ever
You can bet people are already figuring out how to write malware that steals your data from Recall
I'm glad there're new foldables in the horizon, and Apple entering this segment may be great for the other brands as well (as probably many people will be more excited about foldables in general)
How can automatically creating this copilot feature be legal ?
The privacy issue is insane.
Forcing 100 gb of space to store data you don't want seems unethical and and throughout history, the power of public opinion should also have market influence.
With all the checks and balances supposedly put in place to protect our privacy, this is a grab for data and control.
Checks and balances?! Oh, that's cute! LOL
Nice animation
We know our desktop search sucks so we fixed it with AI
I’m really interested in this new Recall feature. Yes, it has ample possibility to go south, so I’d try to limit its storage to the previous 36 hours or something short like that. And stay ready to switch to Linux at the first sign of shenanigans.
The fact that you can turn Recall off is not enough - the functionality exists in the operating system. Will someone construct malware to turn it on without your knowledge and exfiltrate the screen shots to try and capture even more data about you? As with most big tech “innovations” it doesn’t seem like enough attention has been paid to how bad actors will leverage this.
Samsung wanting the names of people who modify phones is dystopian.
Thanks for the vid
Just disable the npu on your computer in bios
then GPU is the other option for AI calcs
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150gb for Windows spyware, hell no that’s enough, I’m going linux
Ah, the enshitification of Microsoft has come full term.
I have been a lifelong Windows user, and I just bought a raspberry pi to start messing around with Linux. I also recently bought a NAS to move as much of my data from MS and Google clouds as possible.
I am really tired of this stuff, and completely agree that even if Microsoft includes an on / off option, they will abuse that to the best of their ability.
0:26 I'm sure that was always the plan
There's nothing micro about an OS that demands a minimum of 150GB.
'the key selling point of the (449dollar) headphones is they team up with your home speakers'. never heard of anyone using both at the same time. its either/or unless of course u are deejaying a party
i just bought one of the Asus 15's (budget laptop). its really nice, i like it.
Microsoft has power now to swallow all digital workforce in just a blink of an eye. The problem of Model successor only focus much of the Model Architects Parameters since there's need of Human Prompt Engineer. The engineer prefer manipulating or play around with model parameters (the waits); but we are tired of their AI demos... At least Microsoft has hands on both, Hardware and Software world , Cloud Computing world.
Malware bytes tools might come in handy here
Cant afford the space.. how do i opt out or uninstall...
customers will sue the repair shop, not Samsung
thus saving their asses
Did you really call storage memory when the label says storage?
Does anyone know free courses to learn linux?
Install one next to your OS and start using it. It usually takes just a few minutes and normally it should just work. You'll discover things on the way
What do you want to learn? Desktop? Command line? Server? Virtualization? Containers? Building a system for yourself? Its a big subject.
Well, I actually do know how to use it, I was making a joke, but I guess it failed😂😂😂
No SIM functionality for Lenovo in Germany according to their website. WHY
Hardware with WWAN modules from Lenovo is currently subject to a sales ban in Germany. It's about patents and licenses.
@@ferdynand40Is the same story with Iphone 12 who is forbidden in France.
With Microsoft it's not a question IF they will start spying on you it's about WHEN.
And here we are asking ourselves why CALL OF DUTY in heavens name takes up 300Gbytes. Now Microsoft wants to claim half of that for some AI crap. Yeah NO!
Can this Microsoft AI be deleted? I don't need a potential Modern Warfare III that spies on me.
When games become spywares too.
@@r.a.6459 do you mean the kernel level rootkits within games?
really bummed that switching fully to linux is not on the books for me since one of the program i use the most (solidworks) don't have a linux version
You can run Windows within Linux as a VM with pretty much most windows programs working properly.
Run a VM, or learn FreeCAD.
Dual Boot?
Can you focus on making more videos for tech alter?
You should cover Coffeezilla’s story on Rabbit R1
I don't understand why Microsoft go back to presenting at ces rather than build
They still havent released an up date to the surface studio
won't touch anything with copilot or recall feature. i didn't want to use linux ever but i guess i will be soon.
Back market listed lots of MacBooks @ $55 was a bug
Is there anyone buy once
Last day it's happening.😮
your internet bill when your pc sends all ur data to satya nadella
Jolla still exists?
how is it going to be installed😭😭
Ok , how do I disable it 😭
8 Gpedit > User Config > Admin Templates > windows Components > Windows Copilot >
Isn't MacBook Already Foldable?
Hi, we are going to take 15% of your hard drive, you're welcome. HOW ABOUT NO!!
MacBook was always foldable
The entire purpose of Humane and Rabbit is to be sold as much as possible.
the problem continues to be does turning off the built-in Spyware actually turn it off? the fact the offensive software is there is scary anyway does Microsoft even understand this?
Ahhh, Martin is reaching his rantsona era. xD
Recall sounds a lot like rewind ai
Wait a foldable MacBook? Do these people not know what laptops already do?
@Microsoft copilot consuming lot personal devicec storage but is giving just 5gb data storage to users in outlook, What a shame. Similarly, in 2024 they annouces laptop with 256gb storage while the mobile phones starts coming 256 gb as base version. Also there is not alphanumeric keys in 16 inch laptop also.
Good vid 👍
How do we turn the crap off?
I hope this will be an "off-turnable" feature.
Yes can be off
A minute ago is craazy
2 min ago is more crazier
15 minutes ago