DIPPING while Tig welding? STOP IT with these tips🔥
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How much does it SUCK to be tig welding, and out of nowhere, BOOM! A heavy dip into the weld pool to kill your vibe! Or feeding the filler and accidentally feeding it INTO the weld cup.... It happens to everyone. EVERYONE. Yes, even me.
These tips are VITAL to correcting a few things to help eliminate this problem. As well, they may help you change the way you think completely about setting up and getting going with your passes. Hopefully I can save you some time at the belt sander to sharpen your tungsten!
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I wear those cheap 3x magnification reading glasses, it has transformed my welding
TIG has bluffed me out of my comfort zone. Each time I pick up my piece to practice tig my confidence goes walkabout. It has had my balls firmly clamped for over forty years, as has ms stick welding (stainless not a problem) and all mig not a problem. But bloody tig, GEEZ, IT HAS ME BLUFFED.
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For me, as a new learner, dipping is caused from uncomfortable travel length and/or not having the proper vision to realize how close I am to the puddle when I'm tracking along the weld. Thanks a ton for this video! I learn so much from this channel =) EDIT: I paused to drop a comment like you mentioned in this video, and as I continued watching afterwards, you literally mentioned my main issues!!! hahaha it's nice to know that my problems are common and I appreciate all the time you take to make this available for learning purposes and so on. I'm in my 3rd week of welding class now and this info is pure gold! currently working on horizontal open corner joints, and I've gotten about 99% through the project but sometimes leave the tail end of my weld with less penetration than the rest. I'm paranoid about blowing out the ends of my corners, and so I'm very touch sensitive when I get to the end of the joint and only get good penetration at the finish maybe 60% of the time. I'm still practicing and going extra lab hours to get it all down, but thank you so much again for everything you put out here for us to learn from!
Hey are you taking school classes or online course? I'm interested in something for beginners. I'm sure I can dip with the best of em! Thanks.
@@MrCbell57 my school days are split into both. We start the day with a Zoom lecture and do our assignments and tests online, then we hit the lab for a few hours after. Great starting place for new learners. Good luck!
Seems if your puddle grows into your tungsten you can't see well enough.
Running into a tack at the end is preferred.
@@johnmoriarty6158 that's not really the case for me, It's more so that I tend to accidentally dip my torch a little lower as I'm adjusting to the travel speed on the torch hand
Im guilty of dipping 😂😂thank u for the great tips Dusty💯💯💯
Cheers Ryan! Hope you are well my friend!
@@PacificArcTigWelding all good thanx Dusty hope u and the fam are all well
I’m newer fo TIG so I may be too focused on the torch itself - height, angle, travel speed, etc. the most common reason I dip is because my brain gets a second behind on hand feeding the filler and when my brain realizes it, I switch focus to catching up and then torch position fails. Happens maybe once a session. Figured this kind of moment is a part of learning. Working on stopping instead and doing a mental reset before starting...(edit - ha! You were right, discomfort). 🍻
To start definitely get comfortable, so a fake run to ensure you have the movement needed. If needed turn amps down and go a bit slower. Over time you get used to it, and eventually be able to weld Tig in the most uncomfortable position you can imagine
that previous 3 tips vid did soooo much good to me... and my welds!!!
Getting in comfort has pushed some limits. My welds are more regular, straighter, and I feel better during and after the weld. And longer.
I still dip, but thanks to that I'm a reaaaallly good tungsten sharpener!!
A good sharpening tool is a great thing to have. And that’s awesome you checked the last vid out!🙏🙏
Wise advice. Nice to meet somebody from close to home, I live in Saanichton.
I subbed couple of days ago but haven't had time to comment till now. I started a job a month ago where I hired in as a stick and mig welder. I've only made two short passes Tig welding on boiler tubes with two of the best in the company (25yrs welding) looking over my shoulder.
They tell me after I hire in on the new job that I was going learn soon. The very first day they put me mig and Tig all day on a 12 hr shift. I've asked people there but it seems like in general of the trade I know more then they do and no real help gotten from them.
I have learned more in the last 3 vids I have watched in the last two days then I have the whole time I been there asking for or help. I'm always striving to get better with every pass.
Sorry for the lengthy comment. Later.
More great tips Dusty..thanks again brother.....👍👍😎💪💯
Well said Dusty, I was dipping lots last week. I was trying to complete a fillet weld on the inside profile of a L1"1/2x1"1/2x3/16 aluminum.
I have this problem a lot, I setup with what’s comfortable without thinking of where I need to get to. Great tips.
reaching beyond what I should is what does it for me. Knowing my prop position is only good for a few inches, but pushing it a bit further. "Oh, it's a little uncomfortable now, I'll just go just beyond that tack and ..." dip.
I don't do it much on stainless anymore at all. As soon as I tried aluminium I was dipping it in almost every couple inches/runs. Just couldn't get used to holding my torch up higher than used to
I have never dipped in my life... But I am about to start as I just got a welder ;p
Using a foot pedal makes it so much easier. Try using a switch, limits your torch angle even more.
Can’t agree more. Too much fumbling with heat control with a switch. Can be done for sure, but the footy makes it so much easier 🤙
I'm gonna go ahead and disagree with that, I've been tigging for nearly 12 years now and have never once found an issue with using a torch switch, but, again I haven't welded everything out there so its possible but not something I've come across yet
@@mikethecripple it completely depends on the switch on your torch ^^ there are switches that are super easy to press... then others you have to press so hard that you need to hold the torch like a mig gun to press it without dipping XD.
Great video Dusty; love the blue lights in the shop. :)
Thanks! I love it too! Gives the metal a great look on camera 🙏🙏🙏
I never dip my tungsten,,,,,,,,,,,,,, when I'm MIG welding!
But eh, I find when I'm TIG welding a piece that I have to do in a difficult position I go through some tungsten. It would be great if I could do it all in a flat horizontal position sitting at a table. My consumables would last so much longer. I probably woulden't make Q-tips of my tungsten so often. But don't have that circumstance very often. But you know what I found helped me quite a bit was those glass lenses you use. They are amazing!!
I started stick welding. So, I'm used to keeping a tight arc. That mentality carries into my TIG welding and that's why I dip.
Just learning... You are awesome...
Love your positivity Dusty. So true - comfort and a couple of dry runs!!!
my problem seems to be: i make a few practice passes. feel comfy.
somehow, the moment i lean on the pedal. i am pushing really hard on that same arm and can't move...
or, i get my gloves and sleeve bound up on the fixture table as i try to slide... then my arm jumps into the filler rod or i dip...
lack of proper focus is most likely the cause. during the practice, no pressure...
it's like playing an instrument casually, then someone hits record. at least I think that's a good analog.
I'm mentally thinking "light hands, lights hands..." before i strike the arc lol.
really appreciate your honesty. that's the mark of a pro. no ego to get in the way of the truth. or you'd stop improving.
thanks to you again for the content!
Great tips as usual! Just getting set up with my used Syncrowave 250 transformer machine. Never TIG welded before but I watch your great videos religiously. Nice nightclub lighting btw!
Haha thanks! Kinda tacky but I love it😂🙏 I appreciate you watching 🙏🙏
Thank you so much for your videos!
I really appreciate your approach to issues and the way you deliver the possible solution.
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It means a lot you watch! Thank you 🙏
I did this about two hours ago it does my head in 😫🇦🇺👨🏭
Here are my "before" thoughts.
1) Vision- The ability to see the "Arc Length" is not only being able to see the arc length but also noticing the puddle behavior, as you weld more, the ability to notice changes in the puddle without actually seeing the arc increase. Head position, Clean lens, and an understanding that the puddle gets larger when you add filler metal can all help. Additionally, Aluminum can be a little more tricky due to the highly reflective puddle that gives you the impression of an arc much longer than it actually is.
2) Physical control- The ability to control the torch and filler metal is a key part of being able to weld with Tig (and oxy Acetylene) and that ability is built by practice. Luckily, almost everyone has already built some of the torch control by just using a pen or a pencil. There really is NOT an easier process to melt two pieces together with and make it look good. My HS students are 1st introduced to welding with GTAW. They use the same muscles they have been using for years. Though there are hundreds of ways to hold a tig rig, placing the handle in your fingers similar to how many people hold a pencil is pretty much identical to what people do when writing. We are just writing with some fire!
Those are my thoughts. Now on to the video to see what you say. Great videos on your other stuff by the way!
Another statement I always use is "Start Uncomfortable, finish comfortable"
Just wanted to say thanks for the great vids. I don't think you can help me with my problem because I am Legally Blind. I have been working on finding a way to TIG for several years. The dipping problem you are right on about. I have a pair of 4.0 cheaters in my hood and wear 5.0 reading glasses too. This means I have to get real close (like they guy in that shot). So when I have to adjust position, instead of stopping and resetting, I try to keep it going and , DIPPPPPP. Just going to keep working at it. Maybe a mini video cam and in helmet monitor might help. Who knows. I love welding even though I suck. It just makes me feel like somebody. Thanks for everything!!
👍😎👍 - another PATW gem !!!!!!
I think not owning a tig machine is probably my biggest hurdle to having nice tig welds. I like my MIG but im for sure taking that tig leap in the next year or so. they look super handy for auto fab with a bit less cleanup afterwards. thanks for the info.
Do it! So much fun! Let me know if you make the move!
Dusty, love the videos, love the messages. The biggest reason for me is, " Im in a HURRY!!!" I know thats a poor excuse, but thats it. Hood down lights on.
You are a great teacher! Love your attitude! 👍
Thanks for tips it’s very helpful 💪💪
I've noticed a few recurring things that might be causes of dipping for me. They pretty much boil down to welding where I can't see, or can't see well enough. Much less frequently are things like having too much stick-out of the electrode- stick out that I determined I needed in order to get the root pass of an inside corner joint that's also beveled ( beveled because they are heavy sections over an 1-1/4) Or also less frequent is keeping too tight of an arc, and once the filler is introduced , the added metal is now too close to the tip. Another one that's somewhat common is being tight-in where it's tricky to get the filler into the area easily and it's now just tougher to manipulate the filler.
Great explanation!!
Excellent Tips!
Basic, but very useful again. I now know where I go wrong....
I have a question, so im still pretty new to tig welding. Been doing it about 6 or 8 months now.. I have no actual training, everything I know I've learned from watching CZcams channels (mostly yours) and what I absolutely struggle with the most is being able to slide my torch hand.. for whatever reason no matter how hard I try I just can't smoothly slide my torch.. do you have any recommendations? Or better yet, any videos that specifically cover this subject?
The thing that will get me a lot of time is when I am doing a fillet or a beveled groove weld and the puddle raises into the tungsten. I like to raise and lower my torch slightly as I go along, as it leads to a tighter and more consistent arc length. Sometimes I get lazy and dont raise enough though.
I have a really bad habit of not sharpening it right away and I continue to weld for a bit, to keep the tungsten as long as possible before I replace it with another tungsten rod
I recommend using a tig finger xl as it adds an anchor point that is also slippery enough you can slide your hand easily. Works especially well on pipe
I personally don't like the xl seems to fall off my hand a lot
Thank you brother!!
Always informative and direct! Great as always!
Nice Dillinger hat 🤘
I feel I usually dip either because of discomfort (usually I'm welding around small diameter thin wall tube) or focusing too much on keeping a tight arc, but not accounting for the puddle growing. Usually is more prevalent when I switch from steel to aluminum.
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@@PacificArcTigWelding oh man i wish I had seen them live. Their stahe presence is amazing. I've seen a lot of bands live but they never made it up to Alaska. They alllllmost came up, but the promoters didn't have the dough to make it happen haha
I tell you why I dip, because I always seem to have a messy workbench, I can't run along a smooth workbench, my bench is the wrong height, the seat is the wrong height, the bench is covered in spatter. The metal isn't super fresh, so it doesn't seem to melt properly. I pretty much use the same consumables for everything. I have only one size of rod for each metal, and one size of tungsten. I can't feed the rod either. I typically get the job done eventually though. Or if I'm doing steel I'll typically just use MIG. I'm only watching this because I tried some alu TIG today for the first time in too long, on a machined part. So many problems ensued. A new one, I found unusual was not being able to clamp the piece down or I'd ruin the machining, the piece was tapered, so I was balancing it on it's small end out of necessity, probably weighs a couple of kg, in any case as soon as started an arc the piece starts wobbling! And I'm fairly sure it wasn't from the gas pressure. I think it was the force of the current flow (like electromagnetic forces) and/or arcing to the table. Weird times. Hopefully I never have to work like that again.
Shaky hands or not having proper vision? Yeah, that's called getting old. I feel that!
very useful information Dusty, headed out to do something nice for someone tonight....cheers for Florida, Paul
Reducing tungsten stick out, and a magnifying lens in the shield helps those who dont have great eyesight...............
using clear cups helped me with vision, a tig finger around the palm of my torch hand lets me glide on the surface and one on my fingers keeps my hand cool all of it helps alot specially when welding aluminum
I am absolutely sure that the material has it out for me. It sees me coming and attacks when I least expect it and jumps on to the tungsten through no fault of my own. No clue how it got there.
A lot of my dipping problems where because my torch and lead were just to heavy (26 euro style), i just upgraded to a chinese wp20 and I've reduced dipping by at least 50% so now i only dip every few inches 😁
I don't have a workbench or anywhere to put a workbench so I typically weld on the floor of my garage after backing the car out. I put my work up on an old beer keg which I can use as my earth clamp point and sit on a milkcrate. It's probably not ideal
Thanks
Digging the new intro for me as a newbie on the tig torch I think it’s resting too much of hand weight on my hand. And mostly trying to make a longer pass than im Comfortable for both skill wise and hand positioning wise
Usually in a uncomfortable position and I slip or stick or stay in one place, etc.
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Tungsten touches my peddle biggest problem I'm having now is doin a t joint trying to get that arc to focus on one piece since the arc bounces back n forth video on joint welds and tacking
I need help please!!! Can I just lay the filler rod on the material and manipulate the torch , instead of dipping. Will I get the same result?
It has never happened to me. Because I have never touched a welder. But that is going to happen some day. Once I learn as much as I possibly can before I even purchase a tig.
A reason I dip is bc for tig you have to multitask with both hands. One with the filler metal and with your other hand having to hold the tig torch at the correct angle. Learning the tig rhythm is the important part.
I want to be comfortable when I sew metal. I'm old so comfort is key! I'm ready for the course! Where do I start. Thanks
It happens to me cause I am new to tig welding and am trying to learn my form and technique. I also notice that when I rush or get a little out of position, it happens immediately. Plus, did I state I was new to this?
🙏🙏🙏Awesome. The comfort and technique will come with time and practice:) Thanks for watching!
After moving to Thailand, I have discovered 2 issues. First unstable electric supply causing variations in amperage. Second the lack of a welder with a foot petal. Foot petal TIG machine are very uncommon here. My final solution is a Voltage stabilizer and second learning how to weld without a pedal. I now have 2 TIG machines I finally found a commercial machine with a pedal.
That would be a nightmare with no pedal
80% of the time I either get it in when the puddle bulges after it absorbs the filler wire or I just tap the filler directly into it. The other 20% is just working in a tight spot and bumping my hand on something
old eyes sharp points and moving back into the mound and catching the tip
Great video but how do you fix a messup or dab on alluminum especially or any other steels
I made a cup stand that I can adjust the height of the tungsten. It’s physically impossible to to dip the tungsten in the puddle.
That is a good idea. How did you attach it to the torch? I use a switch for now, so this might help me a bit.
Sometimes when I try to keep the arc length tight.. And 2 when I dip the filler sometimes it gets higher to the back where I am not seeing.
Your coming in to low with filler rod, increase angle of approach, could be using too large dia. Of filler.
@@tubeonline629 most times it's 1/16th filler but I'll try what you're suggesting
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Only other thing I thought of is you might be putting your filler rod into the puddle to far, watch your puddle not your tungsten, you just want your filler rod in the leading edge of your puddle and it should flow right into your puddle, but don't stay there to long or it will increase your puddle height. Just dab on that leading edge and pull back out, but not to far or you'll get your hot tipped filler out of the shielding gas and it will absorb contaminates from the atmosphere.
I would say rushing is my worst habit - not spending enough time prepping, rehearsing the movement and so on. Even just taking a moment to steady my breathing leads to fewer dips.
I think at least sometimes it happens do to a break in or lack of concentration. Or getting distracted by so many things going on. Another cause could be fatigue.
I have a problem when welding aluminum where the tip of my tungsten gets an eradic movement (not stable) the head shoots out in random directions and sometimes ends up in the puddle. I don't know why.
I know I'm a little late to the race, but I may have a semi-unique problem.
I have a persistent tremor from some nasty TBIs I've had in the last half decade, as well as nerve damage/numbness in my fingers of my non-dominant hand. When I set up to weld and get the arc going, I'm actually incredibly unstable- until I start rolling down the joint. I can even wrap corners despite my setbacks. How can I get stable starts, and still transition to good joins?
i think i dip cuz im propped up funny or not able to mobe my arm correctly. or instead of sliding forward i catch and tip over and aways too tense
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I am just begining to TIG but i strugle with the arc on thin stainless. 1mm sheet/tube. I have to make some brackets to an exhaust which is very thin and i.m afraid will go through the metal.
I have an ac/dc inverter but i really can't get a nice adequate arc. It's either too hot and burna everything or too weak and sticks or doesn't maintain..
Watched the videos..but can't figurw out where i.m wrong
The tig welder I use has a button instead of a pedal. I cant hold it without having my hand uncomfortable and tight cause I have to be pushing in the button
I'm brand new to welding. I think it happens because I don't have a good feel for where the tip is once the arc is obstructing the view of the tip. I also think that the puddle rises when I add filler causing it to touch the tip.
one thing I'm wondering about: often after I dip the tungsten I can see where puddle material has wicked up the sides of the tungsten quite a ways. Do I need to grind the tungsten all the way back to where the sides of the tungsten are clean? Can I grind the sides of the tungsten to crudely remove the puddle material? I'm dipping a lot, most of the time I'm just sharpening a new point and ignoring the material that's wicked up the side.
Happens to me I feel because I'm not positioned properly, always happens when I've got strain on my arm trying to run smoothly.
I'm still learning to TIG, I notice my weld all come out dark and are not clean looking. Like too much heat is being used. I working with 16g stainless and using a 1/16 filler rod, Eastwood 200DC with Argon. Any videos you can suggest or have an idea how I can fix this?
Sounds to hot to me, either speed up your travel or turn down the amps or both, but more than likely you need to speed up.
can you do an episode on overhead tig welding, tips on hand placement and line of sight..
I just started tig welding two weeks ago while taking a class at the college. I have noticed in other forms of welding that it just seems I have good days and bad days. Sometimes I try and push through and sometimes that works. What's the tig I have noticed that I have to be in a very comfortable position with the right angle to see or it just doesn't work. I do have days in other aspects of my life where things just don't seem to work as well but I know if I just step back relax for a minute or a day and start again it'll get better. I think this applies to welding.
I am mostly tig welding 18 ga sheet metal right now. I find I dip into the weld pool when I have too much filler down and it expands up into my tungsten. I am new to tig and still learning.
At 59 with tri focal glasses it is very difficult to tell where the tip of the tungsten actually is.
I sometimes dip after 8 hrs of tig welding same part all day long over and over next thing I know I'm dozing off and either come out of the joint or stick my tungsten.
I'm getting my tig certificate at work , and I keep diping my tungsten . Idk I really need this cert.
25 years tig welding. Usually just slipping off the work piece. Very rarely tho.
Trying to finish a weld with 2" of filler wire remaining,your feed fingers are on fire and I stick the filler into the tungsten🤗😎🤗😎
My comments would echo Anthony Hefferman's below.
Do you weld your art plate to stainless or a carbon plate on the weld table?
Awesome video . Where is best place to buy argon on island.
Not preparing properly gets me every...single...time..lol
hi dusty .
new tigger here i think i get nervice
I find myself hitting the tungsten with the filler rod and it’s due to lack of practice with the filler hand.
It happens almost every time I stop focusing on the tungsten and start focussing on the puddle
What's your favorite material to Weld
Material and filler rod
Stainless, 316L🤙
Yeah it for sure runs real smooth what's your thought on monele and econele
I once ran into some 17-4 ss I was taken back when I seen the magnet stick
I dip cuz I am frigging blind and cant see that well. Trying to tig through a magnifying glass. sucks getting old.
I paused at 1:30 and here's why I think it happens. I can't figure out where the tungsten tip ends, so I have no idea how close it is to the weld pool. Hitting play.
Try looking at the reflection of the tungsten in the weld pool.
@@MidEngineering Really, I've not heard that anywhere. Thanks.
My guess is uncomfortable position, not controlling your breathing, not taking a practice swing.
I'm going to ask a dumb question.........The image we see on youtube, is that what you see through your mask or is it just the filter for the camera?
Because no matter how much I adjust my settings I cannot see that well through my mask. I have a Lincoln Electric Viking at the moment. Do I need to upgrade to the "True Color" type mask. I can't see the joins in the metal. So I don't weld the joint straight. I can't see the weld pool properly. I just can't see as well as your videos show.
I need help in sorting this issue out.
Thanks in advance.
BTW....I think you channel is by far the best weld channel on youtube. You go through everything like it's the first time you welded. And I need that because IT IS the first time I've TIG welded.
What shade do you have on your helmet
@@gasclutch6280 I have an adjustable shade from 6 to 13. I've tried to adjust the shade to see if I can see better. If I have it too light, It's too bright. If I darken it up I can't see the join.
If you weld an inside corner you pull the tungsten out to reach! If you forgot to put it back in you can kiss dip!