PANTHEON SEASON 2 EXPLAINED| AGE GAPS | HUMANS VS GODS| LIVING FOREVER
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I really liked how everything felt like it escalated so quickly towards the end, it felt like a paralel to the nature of technology and the never ending search for knowdlege that only seem to grow exponentially.
Hard agree. As I understand it this show was cancelled and thats why the ending was done the way it was but I actually absolutely love that. Fast escalation of a story towards the end is one of the most amazing things that can happen if its done well.
Kinda similar to the "Houseki no Kuni" Manga...
I don’t know maybe it’s my human speed brain but I just thought everything moved too fast at the end and I just couldn’t keep up in the ending. Just kind of blew my mind where I didn’t even know what to think of the end I thought I like the show I think it was pretty brilliant butI’m all about the endings and this one I just can’t really figure out. I just thought it was a little too abstract and I love abstract movies, but this one felt like the fountain or some other weird movie that is incomprehensible.
@@FzBlade land of lustrous fan here
@@FzBlade Same! I feel like I haven't seen it much, if ever that I can recall. Do you have any show recommendations that include this kind of escalation towards the end?
I remember watching this show and being so uncomfortable everyone in Maddie's classroom moved at the same exact time in the same exact way, but it was never brought up again or explained why. Now, after so much time, it finally has. And it's so incredible how everything came full circle. A little incident you brushed off as a coincidence was a tell tale sign afterall. Just comes to show that without the presence of information you limit yourself to what you can understand but what you can't doesn't automatically mean it isn't there.
Because I recently watched serial experiment lain. When that scene played out I thought maddie would somehow transcend and become god or she already is one. But by the beginning of season 2 I thought no way that plays out. Happy I was wrong
To me this movie was good but only if I was a kid when I wondered about life but now it's like a reminder of the phrase from the bible about god made man in his image but living life proves that is wrong
Huh, never thought about it that way before
Although that then begs the question how that specifying strings of incident differ in their origin universe (non-simulated)
This show was so dope, that ending completely took me off guard.
I really wanted to say I love how the teacher in the opening scene of the very 1st episode was actually foreshadowing everything at heart, but when we we first introduced to the scene (the first time it showed in ep 1) his voice fades in the background and instead it focuses on everyone in the class moving in the exact same way. But after finishing the series/watching the very last episode, if you listen closely to the beginning of the first episode, you can tell the same exact thing is being said. But the last episode is what allows us to hear the teacher's lesson, the discussion of Greek Gods, which perfectly ties into everything. You can tell they planned it all. A little nice detail I'd love to hear more people talk about.
I thought this show got canceled awhile back until like a few hours ago and I binged season two on CZcams. I didn’t even know Amazon picked it up but I hate it was only for Australia and New Zealand. I’m glad someone uploaded on CZcams because that ending was crazy.
Such a awesome show. I wish it never got cancelled
Technically, Amazon saved the series from cancellation. However, it's only officially released on Prime Video in Australia and New Zealand. Let’s hope it reaches an official release on streaming outside of those two countries.
@@halloweenfriday nothing a vpn won’t fix
True, but it also depends on what VPN brand you're getting.@@fishscalecocaine
@@fishscalecocainebut it needs correct marketing. I only heard about the show from a CZcams channel begging people to watch because it’s so good. Should fit with Amazon’s more adult animation. Only would have preferred keeping the show going and season two wasn’t compressed to reach an ending. Still great and hope people catch on over the years.
Lol, me too. I think most people, who watched it did it because of that author
Need the medication the writers were on when they wrote this 😎
i think it was a good ending...felt a bit rushed, but made sense
lets be glad we had an ending at all lol, someshows get milked into trash or non sense
this one, played all it's concepts and tied the knot
Can't really think of anything they should've added. Only thing i wonder is if the Israeli and Iranian dudes were alright in the end
I think the time jumps were disorienting, and existential, which I think was purposeful and to the shows benefit
@@duki8616those two were alright. They fused into a CI, you could see them in the fight that killed Caspian at first (or so we thought). My question is the other OG UIs like that astronaut lady, actually only her, the rest probably disintegrated.
Maddie goes full Zima Blue
I dont think safe surf created the dyson sphere, did it? Maddie explictely said she created it after uploading using her robots. In her original timeline Humanity was able to harness the power of the sun using the explanation of exponential growth of technology since UI could think way faster and all we are watch is the past and diff timelines she visits to tweak to have a specific outcome.
I don’t think she could’ve created it cuz the robots would’ve killed her before she got uploaded in the real timeline. I think what he meant was that she created a Dyson sphere within the grand simulation which is inside the safe surf’s Dyson sphere. This also means that there are countless other simulations of their universe where madddi creates a Dyson sphere but chooses something different in the end
In the original timeline Safe surf is implied to have killed Maddie before being banished from earth where it then encountered aliens and created a grand simulation and then end up creating a another simulation in which contains the Dyson sphere which contains the simulations that show the events of the show. The entire show is a simulation inside a simulation inside a simulation
This is why i love certain art, when they arent cowards and do what they want with the endings
Dude, it did not end too soon, this is the problem with modern TV, they cant keep longing it out just for fans, that ruins the story. They did it perfectly, two seasons and done, so many other Sci Fi serieses and movie franchises could learn from that, its different with single plot episode dramas like Star Trek, that can go forever, but this is ONE story and it was perfect.
I think that by season 2 Caspain is 19 and Maddie is 16. And I don't think we needed that much backstory for them to end up together. In a story this complex you have to assume that most romantic situations happened in the background. Being a teen mom was something very interesting tbh. And is what makes writing a story so compelling. It wasn't celebrated or encouraged; it was something that just happened; like it does in real life. The part of the son not contributing much is true though. Caspian and him literally never had a conversation but of well. But I still have a question... what happened to the uploads??? Did Maddie just went her way to live alone and create a universe?
This series was perfect. That's literally it
I know s9me fans had issues with Maddie and Caspian but I really understand their chemistry and I became an instant fan of it. To be honest I did not like the time skip into 20 years and felt like they could have done something better to avoid that, but I get the whole cancellation and have to wrap tj8nys up explanation
Here, in this case regarding Maddie's search for a version of herself willing to ascend to godhood; we can only ever wish her the best of luck in that endeavor.
Brilliant video bro. Definitely could tell they envisioned more seasons to tell the story but had to wrap up and jam pack s2. Gosh man Season 1 is such peak story telling. Season 2 , with its rough edges , and I’m talking really rough , was quite unusually pleasing. Really wished they continued Holstrom and his pandemic arc. That would’ve been insane.
Appreciate it!
Seems like there was supposed to be more in the middle. Like, I feel like there was supposed to be a post time-skip season where Dave played a bigger role and Maddie and Caspian have to deal with living in different worlds and the now reversed age gap.
Yes!
tell me, was this scene depressing, what did you think of the ending? To me. It hurts that Maddie and Caspian, cannot continue their real lineage through their son Dave, in the real timeline. I would’ve expected all the humans to naturally die and then on the verge of death, let them be uploaded instead of voluntary uploads. It’s so sad that even after 46 million years, I’m not even a computer neuroscientist or anything but I feel this is logical. I’ve just finished school.
I think it needed another season. The ending to me was sad but I get just wanting a normal life in the end after everything they’ve been through.
@ToonDad444 so true, man. I actually get some weak form of depression after watching this show
According to the creators, it was always planned to be two seasons. At some point, only the premiere of the second season was cancelled.
thank you for making this vid
Yes, I thank him too!!!
After watching the whole show I'm really trying to catch my breath. It's all so incredible but also overwhelming somehow.
10:56 they made the son to make sure that maddie wouldn't find love during the 20 years time jump, its a technique that producer use sometime
I had to say this was such an incredible video, you explained everything so flawlessly that it almost felt like an official video produced by the show and studio itself. Very on point and precise. The reviews given at the end were also great to include. I liked your interpretation of the ending, I have to ask, what made you see it that way? I felt disheartened and less optimistc with how the show included. I thought they were entering an exact timeline where all the events were the same. So it felt empty to repeat it for the sake of experiencing it, though I understand where Maddie is coming from. This is why I'm very fond of your perspective on it, that they are entering a timeline where they can in fact have that happy ending. I'd love to hear what led you to feel that way. Perhaps my mind can settle on that idea itself and be comfortable with it. I too have my complaints of the show. Season 1 was outstanding because it challenged the idea of eternal life and brought awareness to the fact a person would be dying if they chose to upload. Season 2 gets rid of that heaviness and approaches UI more casually. I wished there was more consistency and a smoother transition into the society it was by the Season 2. Also, Elle (I think is her name) or Maddie's Mom was also out of character to resort to UI. Of course, people can change, but they did not display change well. My heart also breaks at the fate Caspian had, but it's nice to see there was more to the story than a completely bad ending. There's many questions that arises, but a big one for me, that as good of a person Caspian was, it's shocking to think that he is a younger Stephen Holstrom. It makes you think that if Stephen had a Maddie in his life, would he still be the same? Of course he wouldn't because your experiences shape you, so what I'm trying to say is, I wonder what the "flex point" was for him to become a UI extremist. It's sad that there were so many areas anticipated to be explored and fleshed out but they were forced to bring it to such an abrupt close. I don't think there is anymore more upsetting than working so hard to your craft only for it to be rushed and prematurely end. But there is a remedy...other people. And that's why I'd like to have this discussion. Great video!!!
Awesome video by the way
Thanks!
Definitely going to have to rewatched to take everything in
Maddie wasnt a genius but being uploaded for thousands of human years running at speeds a lot faster and learning things the way only a UI has the capability of. Was how she was able to do it.
Oh that also brings up my question! Not necessarily to you but to anyone who reads this, why did it feel as if Maddie was the only UI "alive"? Weren't there technically other UI's to experience uploaded intelligence with? But at the end, it seemed she was automatically seperate from the others. So this is one of my biggest concerns. How was she able to achieve God like level when there were other UIs? Or not. Again this isn't being said so you can feel forced to answer, it's for anyone to reply to :)
@@animalfinatic9366 because the UI’s exist inside a simulated Universe that Maddie created. She is on a higher level of existence than them. See it as platforms. The lowest being the universe we watches as viewers, the one with the UI’s and humans we followed, then there is a higher level, which is Maddie’s universe with her dyson sphere (Idk how to write that), then there are even more layers above her own universe. You can see her as the god of those simulated Universes within her dyson sphere. But in the same sense “God” Maddie is also just a simulation living inside a simulated universe made by another even higher Maddie. And that 2nd Maddie also lives inside another simulated universe. That goes on so far until we reach the highest simulated universe which is run by SafeSurf. SafeSurf lives in the real universe.
That safesurf also might not be the real world. They admit still learning. Which means it is 'upper' world than Maddie, but not 'real'
But you know, I think they're all "real." That is, these other worlds are still made of the same stuff as the "real" world; everything is still a part of the same intraconnected whole. The same is true of fiction: it's not a reflection of "real life" but is a part of it, coming out of the "real world" and affecting it in turn.
@@Hakajin I remember most of the 'real' worlds discarded by Maddie. How much could 'real' that be recognized as 'just processed to the goal' by creator?
Also, this couple was flipped timeline so that restart their lives in 'real' world, which means whole forward timeline 'real' world people's works became meaningless.
Yyyeeeaaahhh idk the show didn’t end or go in the direction that I thought it would when I started watching it. Not really sure what I expected but certainly not all this like universe simulation and simulations inside simulations etc. It was an alright show but yeah the ending kind of killed it for me. Glad to see most people enjoyed it though, my friends did.
Episode 7 and 8 should be 3rd season. I don't mind if the show just have 3 season but feels complete
Hey thanks.
Now we know that after two seasons companies such as HBO, Netflix and Amazon Prime must increase the wages across the board after a second season to creators, producers, technician and actors. They rather make a buck and move on to the next best thing for the dollar.
Of course they want to make money. We are literally talking about companies. If a show doesn’t have enough viewers watching it through legal means then it’s going to be cancelled because it makes less money than they have to pay to make it. It’s a simple business decision. It’s not quantum physics.
It never end
a base reality does not and will never exist. the universe is creating itself forever and ever again and again.
Maybe
This feels like the life and suffering of sir brante
This show was incredible and it's complexity rivals Dark, I loved it and I hope a season 3 is made.
I don't quite understand it yet. Was the "real" world that we started to see in the first season also a simulation within the Grand simulation, or was that not a simulation?
If the former was already a simulation, did we ever see the real world?
Season 2 was like Maddie's dyson sphere lot's of story(universes) inside a single season. Should have been 3 or more seasons would be much appreciated
Pls where Can i see scavengers reign on grand Line if you know What i mean
I have a question for everyone? Does this series need a season 2 reboot because I only watched season 1 and it was the closer to a masterpiece in my opinion but not watched season 2 so that's why I asked that question
Bro no noo nooooo season 2 ending still is rushed you can feel it in last 2 episode
Sorry if i was not paying atention o dint understand but did maddie uploaded or what? How did she gained the ability to create simulation? And when they choose to go back do they forget everything or only the part about the simulation? Anyways the show was great and i binge it in 2 days. ❤❤❤
Maddie did upload after losing Caspian again. When they go back they only retain the memories of that universe, not the simulation. She didn’t gain the ability to, it’s sort of the same as UI but instead of uploading it’s a simulation. She takes the data of the people and experiences and puts them into a program
bruh lmao , at exactly 0:48 i said glitch in the matrix the same time you did LOL
i guess another glitch in the matrix
loved this show
I would for sure upload. I have experienced enough of this world to understandable how valuable and yet meaningless it all is. Immortality while being able to live out my dreams would be..a dream lol. When we eventually reach that point in our world there will be people who fight against it as well as those who move forward into it, I just hope those who go against it don't try killing the rest of us like pope tried, we might not have a Maddie of our own to help us. The pros would also greatly out weight any cons, if you would even see not having a "body" as a con. Your brain is ultimately living in a VR experience, seeing and feeling the world though the body it exists in.
The lack of physical experience would be mitigated by the robots. You'd be able to walk around just as well if not actually better because of the hydraulic systems, possible flight and swimming upgrades... Uploading is the way to go.
So if this show never got canceled we would have had more seasons? Will it explored the origins of the children of UI we see after the time skip?
Amazon bought this show.
When Maddie was creating her universes what where the other UI's doing in the original timeline, did they die🤨, or Maddie put them all in one of her universes..... please i need an answer people, just from finishing the show, had to watch the last 30 mins of the last episode 2 times and i still dont get how she became in isolation.
The ending was bittersweet by the way, frustrating that it was rushed but amazing if u think about how they defined the simulation theory so well it makes u question your own reality 💀
Caspian said he was 18 when Maddie was around 16
User Interface people losing there minds 😅🙈 uploaded intelligence come on 🙈
A fascinating saga of existentialism and technical aspirations and evolutions of one profound something into eons of something. Bottom line: does it need to get that excessive before we realize, we just needed to say, "hey. I need to be vulnerable and work together with you." Lets not let time pass so significantly to say and do the right thing. Problem is, the dance of accord and discord can only be performed by those who can preserve the steps and movements without falling into excess.
So...dance with me and maybe we wisdom will exude from union of opposites.
In love. In unity. Terrestrious.
7:00 that parts sounds like chatgpt
I thought amazon prime saved the show! So will there be any season 3??
Can anyone please recommend mopre hidden gems like this, absolutely no one can match a 100 like Pantheon but I would like myself a 90 or 95. P.S I think Blue Eye samurai is 90 totally different but storytelling execution everything is on point. Thanks
Check out the show Space Dandy and if you don't like that then the movie suzume no tojimari could be another option
Can anybody tell me is this only a two-season show? And why was it never released on a streaming service for Canada? You don't know how many streaming services supposedly have it and one by one I worked my way through all of them not one had it available for Canada.i had to watch it without being able to do so through a streaming service piracy I mean. I even tried buying it on DVD and the only option to buy it on DVD was bootleg;(. I'm guessing from the ending there's no third season but I'm a little confused if there's a third season or not
The show is only two seasons because AMC chose to cancel it. I believe the decision was made after season two finished production, but before it's release. The cancelation and removal from their streaming service was due to cost cutting over at AMC. As for streaming in other countries, that's likely due to licensing rights issues. Same reason why there are certain shows you can watch on Netflix in the UK but not in the US. Unfortunate that it wasn't available in your country, but I'm glad to hear you were able to watch the series. Even with its ending being rushed, it's still one of the best animated series that's come out in some time.
@@j3omega I've been a little tempted to go so boxing lately. There are a lot of science fiction shows believe it or not that are filmed in Canada and you can't watch them on a streaming service the streaming services there on are not licensed for Canada! Do you know how big a slap in the face it is that American companies are filming shows here in Canada that Canadians can't watch online unless we watch them through a pirate option. Pantheon is one of several dozen series that you can't watch in Canada through a streaming service like AMC and you have to Pirate it from somewhere in order to watch it. Beacon23 was another one that as of yet I can't find on a Canadian streaming service it's getting ridiculous. There are a couple of Doctor Who specials that were connected to the 60th anniversary that you can't stream in Canada unless you can find some place online pirating them as another example I do believe they're going to do a doctor who Britain and Doctor Who for Disney which is why they split it up into two doctors one of them being Trent and the other being the new guy Trent as far as I know was contracted to do quite a few episodes before he got booted back when he originally played the doctor he got into an argument with somebody at this company and he got basically in the snappier fingers fired and written off the show despite being contracted to do another season so as far as I know they're still planning to finish out his original contract where he got brought back in. There's been several Doctor Who actors over the years that got yanked off of the show for pretty bizarre reasons almost overnight.
@peterparker6584 I agree. It's pretty bs the kind of stuff streaming services get away with when it comes to how they treat shows, actors, and viewers. That, along with the fact that shows are so spread out you have to have several memberships to watch what you like, is why I don't really mess with streaming services anymore. I'll buy shows, movies, and merch to support the those who make stuff I enjoy, but I'm not on board with financially supporting companies when they're screwing over the people making worthwhile content that's bringing people in in the first place. Support the creators where you can, and don't feel bad about being a pirate when necessary. 👍
@@j3omega I'm going to give you an example. Star Trek prodigy is not on Paramount in Canada. As far as I know Paramount Canada has Star Trek lower tax and every other Star Trek series including the 1960s but I can't find Prodigy on any streaming service! It's a huge slap in the face that they have all but one Star Trek series on One streaming service. Disney owns So Many intellectual properties it's insane so you'd be surprised how many programs you can get on Disney. I was considering getting a streaming account with Crunchyroll but they pulled something super dirty and cut a lot of us collectors off at the knees. Crunchyroll bought Right Stuff and shut down right stuff completely. What do I mean? Me and a bunch of people used to buy adult Japanese anime DVDs from Right Stuff because they were pretty much the only Outlet you could get it short of getting the stuff bootleg they were the only real legitimate source for anything adult Japanese anime that any of us knew of. And we're Crunchyroll shut the site down and all they carry now is the PG stuff there are no websites left that I'm aware of that carry English dubbed and English subtitled original DVD Japanese anime that is the adult stuff! Everything they carry at right stuff now is the R-rated and lower I know the market wasn't what it was 10 years ago for the adult stuff but still there are a lot of us that don't want to waste money buying pirated DVDs with poor quality. Pretty much any anime DVDs on Amazon or bootlegs same thing with eBay.
Only reason I found out is I heard about a anime series of the adult variety and I tried to buy a copy and I found out right stuff's been shut down in regards to the adult stuff there's no worries you can buy it on DVD English dub or English subtitle I've seen Snippets here and there online of the show in English but apparently you can't get it on DVD in English due to the fact nobody carries it and the stuff on eBay is bootlegs from Singapore and China which aren't even quality copies they're very poor low grade copies that are poorly dubbed in English with subtitles LOL they're not even the original subtitle version.
So much crap going on with stuff that's available on American streaming services that we can't get in Canada because it's region locked it has nothing to do with licensing. ABC and NBC and Warner Bros last I remember do not offer a streaming service platform for Canada those three streaming services last I was able to ascertain or American only. All their content is reach and locked so you can't access it from Canada HBO last I heard was still not obtainable in Canada as another example. There's a whole bunch of stuff that's on Amazon that is Disney owned but you can't get it on Disney Plus and Amazon is charging 20 and 30 bucks per movie to watch it on their streaming service which is total ass they're literally charging more than going to see it at the theater! It's no wonder that pirating stuff is becoming more popular than it was 15 years ago it's because they're literally making it almost impossible to watch it legitimately. Even physical media is going away to make matters worse. At this point I have around 2 or 3,000 DVDs that I have to sort through and get rid of the stuff I won't watch where I keep getting massive collections of DVDs people throwing them out in Rubbermaid containers cardboard boxes or big garbage bags in some cases I've gotten dozens of DVDs that never even got out of the cellophane and we're still wrapped and unwatched. My relative had no cable and I used to drop them off two and three Rubbermaid containers worth at her place and a couple months later I'd come and pick the container up and drop a few more off. I think I've got nine boxes all together of DVDs and about six or seven DVD racks that I haven't gone through and that's not including my own personal DVD collection of anime that stuff's all sorted LOL it's pretty messed up when you find two or three hundred DVDs and great big see-through bags on the side of the road or one of those great big DVD shelves with about 200 or 300 DVDs on it. I've likewise got a anime VHS collection that I hung on to because each one of the VHS tapes is not available on DVD I've got a hundred or 200 anime titles that were never licensed for a DVD release where they were licensed through American manga and American manga when they went bankrupt anything they own the rights to never got released on DVD only VHS. And some of that stuff you can't even find online yet where nobody's ever uploaded it that I could find
Yeah it just didn't make sense rushed to conclusion
Is that why season two just feels so jarring in the last few episodes I feel like once they started time jumping thousands of years into the future. I just couldn’t keep up with the show I mean my brain just overclocked and I just can’t move at UI speeds at the end. I was just thoroughly confused and I’m wondering if the reason is that they just rushed the ending because they didn’t get, the show renewed is that why the ending just feels so overwhelming?
Was this the ending that was always planned and it’s just hard to get your mind around because of how abstract it is with Maddie just having everything in a super super simulation and talking to our past self through time or just all rush together because they weren’t getting a third season so they trued to wrap up everything at the end of season 2 and that’s why it feels so jarring?
Does anyone know?
Probably a mix of both. It’s likely it’s rushed because the cancellation of the show, there are signs that more was planned, but at the same time the show discusses topics that are hard to comprehend.
so it goes on and on and on. what about the simulation where they sent david into? do they send a copy of themselves in that world or did the world cease to exist. And why are we saying its a world ? doesnt every ball is reality in itself. why did david say you made a universe? shouldnt it be multiverse?
Nooo the dyson sphere is created by the safs search in the REAL world..otherwise how would maddie gain that energy inside a simulation????
Maddie was 14 or 15 and Caspian was 18 years old when they did it, isn't that illegal. Caspian was an adult but Maddie wasn't. That's highly inappropriate.
as cool as this idea is i would say no
why is she a genius? because season 1 and 2 are simulation made by her. it is a plus
The ending was so lazy.
What do you mean
My Dark take is that when you upload the real you dies and a copy of you lives on.
If this was possible in real life that's what would happen
amazing story mediocre animation
Bruh
Thats an outrageous amount of technobable and incorrect terminology
I dont want to put some religious idea on you guys but in Hindusism The Main God said that The whole world is a maya(sumilation)
By your definition Hinduism is just an illusion and not a real thing to discuss