Interesting. First time I've ever heard a quote from Miles about Sun Ra, and its a blind fold test. Always wondered if the famously blunt Miles couldn't find anything to say about Sun Ra. He had something to say about most of the "Jazz" people of his era. This is a very nice piece, inside and outside. The first time I saw Sun Ra he played "King Porter Stomp" written, I believe by Jelly Roll, and it sounded to me the way it sounded when Jelly Roll's band improvised, totally abstractly modern.
A callous diss by Miles Davis. Basically reading the full quote Miles is saying the Football equivalent of "y'all playing white!" Or over precisely. Miles had no time for free improvisation and he knew exactly who these musicians were to the point of wanting John Gilmore before securing Wayne Shorter.
Frankly I was thrilled to this kind of complex arrangement being orchestrated way back in 56'. Masterful Miles Davis seems to predict the future by comparing this arrangement to legendary musical pioneer Raymond Scott who not only provided soundtracks for all the cartoons we no and love, but also influenced and worked with many top musical inventors like John Williams(think Jaws) and R A Moog who gave a prototype minimoog to Sun Ra for European tour 1969 .
@@charleswinokoor6023 this has to be approval disguised by Miles dark sense of humor. Like when he used to play with back facing the all white audiences of his day. That didn't mean he hated his fans. It was just symbolic or poetic gesture. Without synthesizer technology there be no bitches brew
@@Rdment You miss the point by a mile. But it really doesn’t matter. And for the record, by the time he was playing out with the loud Agharta/Pangea band he wasn’t turning his back on the audience. He was too fucked up on coke and painkillers to give a damn about it. I saw Miles at 1975 Newport Jazz Festival, which was his last gig before he went into a five-year seclusion inside his West Side apartment. I still remember watching him drop his mute and then spend a good five minutes bending over to retrieve it. He was a mess. The saving grace that day was Steve Grossman on soprano sax. He stepped up in a big way.
@@charleswinokoor6023 SRRS. Miles Davis was a jazz prophet. What sounds like a diss is actually a prediction in my view, about 2 very influential and sucessful artists, Sun Ra and Ra ymond Scott. Without their contributions there be no innovative synthesizer tech for classical jazz fusion as early as recieved.
@@Rdment Ass backwards. Scott was already old school by then, and Davis had no use for Sun Ra. He even thought the latter was a bunch of white musicians being pretentious. He’s not being clever or cryptic in his remarks. And the only people who regard other people as “prophets” are sycophants.
@micheljch this was likely taken straight from the CD but CZcams's audio compression is horrendous. one thing you always lose in compression are overtones (since all the "non-audible" frequencies are taken out) and that's a lot of what the reverb effect is made up of
is this taken from the CD? I had the a copy of this LP on vinyl years ago and I'd swear there was a touch of reverb added to the sound - this sounds more 'flat' in that regard . . . and I like it!
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Interesting. First time I've ever heard a quote from Miles about Sun Ra, and its a blind fold test. Always wondered if the famously blunt Miles couldn't find anything to say about Sun Ra. He had something to say about most of the "Jazz" people of his era. This is a very nice piece, inside and outside. The first time I saw Sun Ra he played "King Porter Stomp" written, I believe by Jelly Roll, and it sounded to me the way it sounded when Jelly Roll's band improvised, totally abstractly modern.
"[Sun Ra's 'Brainville'] sounds like a 1935 arrangement by Raymond Scott."
-MILES DAVIS, 1968
Down Beat magazine blindfold test
Absolutely true.
A callous diss by Miles Davis. Basically reading the full quote Miles is saying the Football equivalent of "y'all playing white!" Or over precisely. Miles had no time for free improvisation and he knew exactly who these musicians were to the point of wanting John Gilmore before securing Wayne Shorter.
Davis didn’t mean it as a compliment.
Frankly I was thrilled to this kind of complex arrangement being orchestrated way back in 56'. Masterful Miles Davis seems to predict the future by comparing this arrangement to legendary musical pioneer Raymond Scott who not only provided soundtracks for all the cartoons we no and love, but also influenced and worked with many top musical inventors like John Williams(think Jaws) and R A Moog who gave a prototype minimoog to Sun Ra for European tour 1969 .
Go back and read what Davis said.
He called it “sad” (pathetic) and said, “That ain’t nothin’”.
His words not mine.
@@charleswinokoor6023 this has to be approval disguised by Miles dark sense of humor. Like when he used to play with back facing the all white audiences of his day. That didn't mean he hated his fans. It was just symbolic or poetic gesture. Without synthesizer technology there be no bitches brew
@@Rdment You miss the point by a mile. But it really doesn’t matter.
And for the record, by the time he was playing out with the loud Agharta/Pangea band he wasn’t turning his back on the audience.
He was too fucked up on coke and painkillers to give a damn about it.
I saw Miles at 1975 Newport Jazz Festival, which was his last gig before he went into a five-year seclusion inside his West Side apartment.
I still remember watching him drop his mute and then spend a good five minutes bending over to retrieve it.
He was a mess.
The saving grace that day was Steve Grossman on soprano sax.
He stepped up in a big way.
@@charleswinokoor6023 SRRS. Miles Davis was a jazz prophet. What sounds like a diss is actually a prediction in my view, about 2 very influential and sucessful artists, Sun Ra and Ra ymond Scott. Without their contributions there be no innovative synthesizer tech for classical jazz fusion as early as recieved.
@@Rdment Ass backwards. Scott was already old school by then, and Davis had no use for Sun Ra. He even thought the latter was a bunch of white musicians being pretentious. He’s not being clever or cryptic in his remarks. And the only people who regard other people as “prophets” are sycophants.
god i love this sun god's music
me too!
1957 - one of the earliest sun ra recordings
the understatement for that year
Tremendous solos and cosmic energy all around.
1:08...simply genius
Those polyrhythms are no accident.
A Sunny Ray indeed.
@micheljch this was likely taken straight from the CD but CZcams's audio compression is horrendous. one thing you always lose in compression are overtones (since all the "non-audible" frequencies are taken out) and that's a lot of what the reverb effect is made up of
is this taken from the CD? I had the a copy of this LP on vinyl years ago and I'd swear there was a touch of reverb added to the sound - this sounds more 'flat' in that regard . . . and I like it!
What subgenre would yall consider this? Experimental big band? Straight big band? Post bop? Straight bebop with a swing?
Sun Ra's 2020 ...