Berserk Analysis - WHY WYALD MATTERS...Part 1
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- čas přidán 26. 07. 2024
- Berserk Analysis - WHY WYALD MATTERS...Part 1. The fact that the captain of the black dog knights, Wyald, is completely removed from both adaptations of Berserks Golden Age arc is very unfair towards the story for several reasons. This will be the first of two videos, where I will be examining why Wyald matters. Specifically in this video, I will be talking about Wyald as a character, and in the next video I will talking about his external impact towards the story.
▬ Contents of this video ▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬
0:00 - Intro
1:11 - Wyald's Introduction
5:01 - Childish Behavior
5:40 - Unpredictability - Krátké a kreslené filmy
The creepiest part is when you realise he was just a little old man living out his fantasy.
maybe that's what he means about wasting his life away like he was a normal man for all he's life and when he was about to die he realise he did'nt enjoy anything so with a behelit he became this
@@yochior I imagine he would have sacrificed his wife or grandchildren or maybe a carer who looked after him in his feeble state.
That's what made Miura a master mangaka. It wasn't just his art, but his attention to detail in his art and the dialog. That moment when Wyald died and his human corpse was revealed left me confused at first, and then after I thought about it, left me profoundly disturbed. It tells you something, something about man that is rarely shown or discussed...like the Beast of Darkness. That's one of the reasons Berserk is special, and special to me.
he did nothing wrong he's a victim
@@alexmercer9763 Well. I wouldn’t go that far. Good villains always have reasons, motives, or explanations for their actions, but Wyald still raped and killed a lot of people. And obviously sacrificed something with a behelit.
I wouldn’t exactly identify this person as just a pure victim.
I think Wyald is pretty much the "appetizer" or "starter" to the ever changing world for Guts & Casca. Yes, we had Zodd encounter before this, but the event was rather dream-like than Wyald with its full on actual evil war crimes being shown front & center, regardless both are being a violent events. It's pretty much showcased what Guts will be doing most of his life after the eclipse. It showed how Guts capable of taking literal monster on his own & a complete zen state for a vengeful warrior under such an unexpected situations & pressures by encountering/fighting apostles.
This is a rather somewhat complete opposite with Rosine as Guts resolution on Apostle being tackled & wavered in Lost Children chapters. I am sure some fans also regard Rosine as a "filler" contents too, just like Wyald.
I agree completely. and the way he demoralized the hawks by explaining to them how broken griffith is now is some of the most evil shit I've seen.
I honestly really like Rosine as a character, I don't consider her to be filler.
@@3babylon3 and what... You love to relish in evil things?
@@ArvelDreth she was nothing but filler, and nothing great about her. I'm sorry another waste of my time happened with her and more unspeakably horrid shit being shown that has no right or reason to be shown other than Mirua is a sick effing pervert. There was absolutely nothing useful to come from the lost children sht other than a deviation into action and debauchery which had no value to anything. That's something else that is good to be cut out. Best thing to do is work his encounter with her into a black swordsman arc or opening to the conviction arc and make it just his fight with Rosine and make it end with HER DYING THIS TIME
@@Fudgaboutit okay
I think Wyald not being included made it even more of a shock. I think that’s why they do it. I was thrown off so badly when the eclipse happened.
Completely right man. The 1997 anime is writing wise the best display of the golden age arc. Cutting out some of the supernatural scenes makes it so that the focus lies more onto the relationships between the main characters. This leads to a stronger attachment to them and makes everything more relatable and understandable. You can FEEL everything because everything's human. This also increases the shock value, since it just seems like actual hell on earth: something surreal. The Zodd encounter was so long ago and strange it seemed like a bad dream but now they're living the nightmare. I advise everyone to first watch the anime and then potentially read since the anime just does it so much better.
yeah also the anime omits most of the black swordman chapter. when the eclipse happens in the anime , if you didn't read the manga you would be in shock because nothing prepares you for that, while the manga gives hints of how ugly things can get
@@videomakertje I disagree, the anime takes advantage of leaving out things like Skull Knight or Wyald because of 1. Time and 2. Because they aren't too important to the strictly Golden Age narrative and the people making the 97 anime weren't preoccupied about continuing it. This is the real reason why Wyald doesn't show up. In reality, Wyald's inclusion is essential because it's what tells Griffith how to start the eclipse, cutting this out obviously makes it shocking for anime watchers but manga readers already know what a behelit does and seen a smaller scale eclipse. Without Wyald it looks like Griffith just knows how to use it all of a sudden when behelits in Berserk lore are supposed to be cryptical. In this aspect it would be better if we go for your "makes the characters more relatable and understandable" because we know Griffith knows how to do it and the suspense is in if he will do it as his behaviour once they enter the open field becomes more suspicious. Good writing is better than shock.
Wyald is also written to be sort of like a faux final boss, the "climax" of the arc, he's the greatest enemy in the Golden Age arc barring Zodd, and he shows up out of nowhere to prevent Griffith from escaping. Which makes the Eclipse even more shocking because after the Wyald fight you don't think there's still more struggle than these characters have already gone through.
@@deuce5546 After having read the manga in full I must agree with you. The Wyald chapters are definitely one of my favorites since it instilled an eerie feeling of constant dread. I still like the 1997 anime for what it did though; to me it's just another form of experiencing the golden age arc and can basically coexist.
@@deuce5546 that's true in the anime it first seems like Griffith just knows how to use the behelit
Never understood the Wyald hate, he's the most direct foreshadowing of the direction Berserk is going in leading up to and after the eclipse
Maybe people just hate him because of how gross he is. Understandable, but that's what Berserk is all about. It's a dark world with sick fucks running around
Think about the Name of Group "Black Dog Knights". I was maybe foreshadowing Gut's Dark Primal Side after the Eclipse when he puts on the BERSERKER Armour. Remember Guts resembles and has in him a Wild Black Dog.
Miura does nothing by chance. Good on you for delving into Wyld
Dude, Wyald's gang massacring the villagers made me feel so bad the first time I've read it because it made me realize that things like that were real once a land has been conquered by an army.
That and the whole thing with the Kushan are based on real stuff that happened, i.e what the Persian army, and later the Soviets and Allied, did to Europe.
@@hieioni3354 I had looked up about Dirlewanger Brigade and dude, it's disgusting how somebody could think about creating a brigade of crazy criminals, just like the Black Dog Knights
Wyald is edgy yes, but complaining about it and saying it’s cut is good is a bad take, especially since it helped setting a darker, Black Swordsman-esque tone of the Eclipse and following chapters, not to mention the fight itself is great and peak Golden Age fighting
Edgy, no. Evil beyond anybody's "Wyaldest" imagination, yes.
I would say he's not edgy but sadistic and hedonistic, you wouldn't call General Buttnakes edgy for the same reasons. Wyald's actions ellicit morbid curiosity from the reader, and horror, which are entertainment at its core.
That would be like calling Mexican cartel sicarios "edgy", edgy is more like a "sasuke type" character imho.
@@wpninja83 I swear to fucking god
To me Wyald was a proper farewell to Black Swordman Berserk. When the series was mostly an edgy manga about an edgy guy killing very evil demons. right at the end of Golden age comes wyald, the last remnant of old Berserk Doing everything we know happens before Golden Age started.
To me Wyald was Miura venting off the last of Black Swordman berserk before moving the story in his new direction.
This is literally where i am in the manga so this is very fitting for you to cover, honestly i wish he was in the 1997 anime, because he was , one of the most threatening and terrifying villains in the Golden Age, arc.
Please refrain to watch anything Berserk related until you've finished the manga but maybe you already did.
@@danolix shut up jfc the 1997 is what I started with and I read it all afterwards and I'm just fine let people do what they want
@@Nerevarine420 chill out, he probably just doesn't want him to walk into any spoilers just because he's so enthusiastic, I know I've already seen my fair share and I'm still in the middle of the eclipse.
The anime barely had mention of the black swordman saga. And wyald is kind of a last reference to that era of Miura.
I bet Wyald is still waiting on-set, expecting to get his part in the third Berserk movie.
Wyald: “So where do I come in, eh? I haven’t seen me and my boys in the script.”
Director: “Well, we decided to cut you out of the movie...”
Wyald: “What? Why!?”
Director: “You...um...are a bit too extreme to be put on screen. On top of that we have blown our budget on the Eclipse already so we cannot put you in the movie.”
Wyald: “You’re adapting a story with one of the darkest events put to page and *I’m* too much?”
Director: “You raped our female staff.”
Wyald: “Those whores had it coming.”
@@theatheistbear3117it’s scary because this comment is well written
He was a benchmark that would set the tone for what was to come: for Guts as a fighter, for the power of the apostles, for how bleak and devastating the world of Berserk could truly be, for how this was no longer the golden age world of Berserk but the Black Swordsman world, for Zodd as an apostle that was on a league of his own; an important benchmark from a storytelling perspective imo.
Its the biggest connection between Golden age and Black Swordman.
It always annoyed me when people said that the Black Dogs and Wyald aren't necessary for the story when its the exact opposite.
Right
Nah they are totally unecessary. They are just a cheap way to show pointless violence against women.
@@schmebulockjizz He’s the first apostle in 70 chapters, and it gives Guts a chance to show what he achieved by leaving the band of the hawk.
@@schmebulockjizz Actually they are a necessary worldbuilding tool and without them the following chapters don’t make much sense. Also it’s a real cool fight that shows how cunning and brutal guts is
@@edtheangler4930 "worldbuilding" is for idiots. No great writter actually has that therm on their minds when creating a story.
The scenario with Wyald during my first time reading the Berserk manga was what *110%* cemented the fact that this series was without a doubt NOT f*cking around and held back nothing.
Atleast until conviction. I think after that chapter the series goes on a more subdued tone, it's still violent, but never close to black swordman
I want a Wyald story in the way Grunbeld's story was told, but from the perspective of the person he sacrifices to become an apostle. That would be amazing.
Yeah, but Miura gas to get an actually good writer this time!
The more i'm thinking about wyald it looks like because of him and his bestality the esclipse wouldnt feel as suddenly as it felt in the anime
He builds up the eclipse similiar to Skull Knight and Zodd
It just feels more reasonable if every of those apostle tell guts his doom comes closer and closer without actually knowing anything about it is perfect character writing
the fact the guts thought that wyald is the eclipse shows how cruel he was and that for an average human who shouldnt have survived the fight with him anyways so it does make sense that guts sees it the way.
I think giving us another taste of what an apostle is like before reaching the eclipse was good for the story overall. Seeing the Hawk surrounding by Apostles is extra scary after seeing how strong just one of them is. Yeah, there was Zodd before this but that was many chapters before the eclipse. I think having Wyald there keeps the apostles fresh in our minds.
After watching all your video, i can easely say that in a couple of month, you will be one of the biggest berserk youtuber..!
Tank you for these analyse, they are obviously made with passion.
You just earned a sub. Nice video essay!
More berserk content creators, hell yeah subscribed!
I didn't know Jango Fett had a youtube channel.
I just realized that i thought it was Wylad this whole time lmao
I'm always up for more Berserk content. And hopefully Wyald can be animated one day
He was in a video game most recently. It's something, at least.
He can, you just have to cut the Casca scene which I doubt anyone will raise their voice about.
@@deuce5546 Nah, cutting that is like cutting the rape of Casca at the hands of Femto during the Eclipse. It's also like eating french fries without ketchup :D
I always thought of the section when the entered the tower to just before the eclipse that it was Stress test- seeing how far and wacky they could stretch the series events for the fans and see what boundaries to go by in future chapters
I feel like getting rid of Wyald would be like if the David Productions Jojo anime got rid of Cioccolata and Secco. I don't think there's anything wrong to showing depraved villains if they have a reason to be there.
Honestly I'm the complete opposite if they don't really add much to the story and just show how fucked up they are for the sake of it, then there's nothing wrong with cutting them. Hell I'd be completely fine of chocolata and secco were cut ESPECIALLY Wyle he's just fucked up for shock value with no interesting character with an ok fight
@@heatkingdom3053 Wyald's character is not just for shock value, it's to show the readers how sadistic and cruel the apostles in general can be. Besides, Wyald being a feeble old man who just wanted to have "fun" shows us the worst side of humanity; basically, the whole point of Wyald is a cautionary tale (if you're cruel to others, someone will cut you down eventually.)
I really loved Wyald's character. His placement in the story only adds to the manga and its a shame he's not in any other adaptation. My man doesn't get the Fun & Excitement he deserves!
Idk how you can "love" his character when he's a complete monster but uh.....you do you I guess
@Heat kingdom the same way people "love" the joker, joffrey
Palpatine and friza or even griffith to an extent. They are irredeemably evil pieces of shit, but they enjoy what they do or are so good at what they do, that you can kind of have fun with them. Plus when they are finally defeated you get an immense sense of satisfaction when they get what they deserve. They are villains you love to hate.
@@michaeld7945 you love them because they are just fiction, after all Griffith is just a character, if Miura wanted he could just draw a scene where Guts and Griffith are saying "Remember boys, it's all an act" to remind us that all of these actions are not real
@@axlrosest I'd love to see a panel of Guts and Griffith saying "Remember boys, it's all an act." xD
I still think Barbo is an Apostol too. WYald refers to him as an octopus
I loved Wyald. He was the first taste of a villain with personality, he scared me. The fact that he looked like a fucked up dog/human hybrid I saw as metaphor for humanity
This video should be called Why-ald matters
I always saw wylad as foreshadowing of what the eclipse would look like
wyald was pretty wild
Ay I'm your 200th subber
I don't understand why you think the shouldn't be able to show wyald trying to "attack" casca but you can show femto doing it?
Wylad is to based for us
The introduccion is wild... you feel danger for the heroes... nice job by the way
Wyald chapter was genuinely stomach churning.
“ENJOY EXCITEMENT!!!”
Wylada JUMPA Wylada STOMPA! Wyald is pretty cool in Berserk Band of the Hawk game.
One of the best things about a story is its mysteries; and Wyald has me asking questions
Where did he come from? When did he find a Beherit and summon the God Hand? Who or what did he sacrifice? Where the flying fuck does he get off on raping and murdering an innocent child? (I love Berserk, but what the fuck, Miura?)
I'm left in a want-not want area when it comes to these questions. Knowing could be great, but not knowing may be greater
I'm not a fan of wyald. He's too edgy to be enjoyable. The main reason is that the golden arc world and post golden arc are two different worlds. The eclipse basically bridged the world with the demon world. Zodd was a really interesting way of teasing that insane demonic world while wyald straight spoils it. He doesn't fit in the golden age arc.
I agree, the shock of the eclipse is blunted some when they see such a monster right before.
@@madscientist916 it's like, yes and no though, because wyald also sets the power level for all of those apostles. once they see how powerful just a single apostle is, the horror is that now there are hundreds of them and you don't have a snowballs chance in hell. that and it makes Griffith more accountable for what he's doing, he knows what kind of monsters his giving his men up to.
Besides all that, I think it's really essential to have Griffith see Wyald and his strength, and to have those panels in the midst of that fight where Griffiths inability to even lift a sword is contrasted with the invincible might of an apostle. It gets the gears turning in his head, like, "oh, that's something stronger than even guts, being like that could solve all my troubles."
I think the real difference of opinion on wyald will stem from whether or not you think the black swordsman arc at the beginning of the manga should be omitted. If a large part of what hooked you on berserk was how absolutely madcap the eclipse was, then you really want that shock value of never having seen an apostle before. But if you value the characterization and tone setting that's done during that opening arc, there's not nearly so much lost in terms of shock value from revealing an apostle before the eclipse, since you've already seen several, plus all of the godhand.
Personally I enjoyed the horror of anticipation throughout the whole golden age. It felt like a real tragedy in motion, rather than just a story with a wildly left-field bad ending.
@@KingMinish Thank you for such a detailed response. It has made me examine what drew me and what I enjoyed. We still would have seen Zodd so it’s not like without Wyald we never would have seen an apostle. Also we got Zodds foreshadowing of the terror to come and the betrayal.
@@madscientist916 you're right about zodd, but for whatever reason he didn't come to mind- probably because he's less of a grotesque than wyald and the monsters of the eclipse. His hesitance to kill Griffith and his going out his way to save guts by throwing him a sword put him across as a character, not just an empty seething force of evil- warning our characters and occasionally saving them somehow puts him closer to mind with skull knight on a first reading.
In terms of power levels though, certainly, he's already setting that somewhat for apostles- but there's also some value in clarifying that even your average, stupid apostle, not just one that's been legendary for 300 years, is a match on his own for a whole band of fighters.
Mechanically, plot wise, Wyald can be omitted- but I think the story is just a bit less for it. Even aside from that, if it wasn't wyald to be dealt with, having some interlude between rescuing Griffith and Griffith's betrayal makes the series better I think. It could've been something else- but Miura loves, big, exciting, and gory, so that's what he put there in that interval, I think.
@@KingMinish I get where you’re coming from, I think also (and this supports your view) that Wyald shows that there’s more nastiness and apostles hanging out in the world than the rest of the Golden Age Arc would have us think.
On my first reading I didn’t care for Wyald, probably in part because I watched the 97 anime first. I can see his purpose, but it felt like tipping the hand of what’s coming a little too much. But everyone is going to have different things they like and prefer in their stories.
2:16 If i remember correctly, he doesnt necessarily kills her, i dont speak Japanese, and in the book i have, there isnt written of him killing her(Strangling is one thing)
Anyway, Wyald was a showcase of what the average apostle is.
Slug count loves his daughter, and fights with his apostle form(Strong enough to calm down an enraged knight, despite looking like Belgian health minister) and Snake baron treats his men well, and also fights with an halberd.
Wyald Mistreats his men, and fights with his bare hands, and a log.
Wyald was absolutely necessary, it showed how hard it is to kill one of these monsters and at the eclipse there are thousands of them which makes it even more horrifying, wyald was personally my favorite fight in the manga, guts slayed his first demon with the band of the hawk watching and did it without dragon slayer
Yeah, it also shows that Guts used wit to kill an Apostle rather than relying on his own brute strength, which explains how he was able to kill the Succubus, the Snake Baron and the Slug Count during the Black Swordsman arc.
@@hieioni3354 one hundred percent he has to use wits, physically a human can’t match an apostle in brute strength, gotta have wits too
@@mrhunter2154 Yep. And that's one of the reason why I like Guts as a character. He went from just swinging his sword as a child soldier to applying wit to kill apostles and never stopping struggling. His character arc is intricately linked to the story of Berserk, it feels natural (at least to people with a brain, not to twitter freaks)
@@hieioni3354 lol exactly, it’s because of those people we may never get a faithful anime adaption
@@mrhunter2154 I think it's more like because you cannot show M-rated and R-rated stuff on Japanese TV, which is dumb to me. Why not put the anime at the sleep-time or midnight block? That way, only the manga fans can enjoy the faithful adaptation and not kids.
Every time an adaptation skips Wylad
Fans: 0nce again we are denied M0NKE.
I subbed
What chapters are these? I don't remember
Wyald was the farewell to the old Berserk to me.
Berserk started as an ultra violent shocking immoral manga about a dark world in the brink of perdition, with guts being the main avatar of that world. Guts next encounter with apostles in the series would be as violent, but not as immoral or shocking. because Miura changed the direction of the series by that point. The Berserk of the black swordman, ended with Wyald's death.
Yes , worst things would come, but the narrative of the series matured a lot. Wyald to me is Miura representation of the first few episodes, while Zodd is the representation of the evolution of the series Wyald has zero morality, zero ambitions, He is just an immoral inhuman horrible beast that revels in acting on impulse. Wich represents the chaotic world of berserk before Griffith later retcons completely the direction of the series but also the style of berserk before Golden Age. While Zodd has a clear direction, has a moral code. he has structure, he represents the new Berserk narrative where there are prophecies, causality gets more depth, story has more weight. No wonder Zodd kills Wyald and not Guts.
If you hate Wyald, that's the point, Wyald is supposed to be the most hated character in berserk. Miura wanted to make sure people didn't miss old Berserk, so he blew off a load of the most disgusting berserk could get , so people didn't want more of the tone of the black swordman before he moved later to conviction.
I would say wyald is pretty ambitious
To me, Wyald is the most evil apostle out of all so far.
there are many apostles in the series, but Wyald easily top most of them in terms of his level of evil.
the count, Rosine, and the rest of apostles are blood thirsty, but they got limit, they still have a special person who they care deeply. even for Ganiska, he might have killed many, but at least his armies matters a bit to him that he don't just go on rampage at them before his second transformation, Ganiska at least have a cause of building an empire.
but Wyald is a different level, not only he has no regards for normal civilians, he does not care about his army, nor does he even care for the godhands. all that matter to him is to rape, murder and defile corpses for fun.
When that crappy musou game came out I was at least hoping for silat as a playable character.....then the game came out with 4 different versions of casca and wyald along with the usual choices.
I guess what I'm trying to say is, fuck wyald.
who is more cruel ramsay(got) or wyald?
No, I don’t agree that there is one scene with Wyardo that should not make it to the screen. If it’s able to be published in manga form, it should be able to be animated.
he a reason to show how dark is seinen are and how cruel is berserk world are
Wyald matters because he horrifies the shit out of me.
He looks like my hairless cat.
Well we all know why he was erased from the adaptations, no surprise there.
They removes him from the anime because it would ruin the eclipse and god hand appearance to new time watchers
yes wylad is necessary to the story but y’all can’t say his dialogue was good or exciting
‘The death you can’t escape’ remember Zodd’s warning?
This was Wylad’s being the red herring and a reminder not to forget about it.
That being said he is a old man.
He talks childish.
Question: when do old people talk like that and to which people?
Now with that question answered… can you guess what he sacrificed?
And realize all this to kill a guy already on his death bed.
he did nothing wrong
he's a hero
Just....what did Wyald sacrifice to gain this freaky body and a monstrous physique?!
His entire family and friends.
I saw comment asking who the f*ck arrested him on another vid and honestly I'm more scared of that guy
For anyone who believes he’s too edgy, I totally get why, but I have a test to see if something is too edgy.
1) Does it happen in real life?
2) Can it happen in real life?
If you’re wondering if Wyald fits, look up Peter Scully and or Daisy’s Destruction, afterwards ask yourself “What did unsupervised medieval bandits do in the past?” give that bandit super human abilities and government authority, I feel safe to say Wylad isn’t that bad when compared to the things we do in real life.
it's just miura seeing how brutal he can go, that isn't a grat character
Until you realize his childish talking may hint at what he sacrificed…
When do elders talk like that and to which people?
It also is a red herring in context.
Remember the ‘death you can’t escape’ the Eclipse wasn’t released yet. Remember that.
i think when people say wyald was unnecessary they mean the amount of r*pe and sexual violence, to me Zodd’s existence alone is proof that these story beats and character traits could still be accomplished without the use of it, although zodd wasn’t as barbaric of a character we still could effectively feel the weight of his barbaric nature through almost all the scenes that were depicted just subtract the sexual violence, even the raid on the village and how he literally put their burned naked bodies on spikes is okay but the amount of shown sexual violence when he was raiding the village i do think is a lil unnecessary
Wyald's character is not unnecessary, it's to show the readers how sadistic and cruel the apostles in general can be. Besides, Wyald being a feeble old man who just wanted to have "fun" shows us the worst side of humanity; basically, the whole point of Wyald is a cautionary tale (if you're cruel to others, someone will cut you down eventually.)
You completely misunderstand Zodd and Wyald. Zodd isn't brutal. He doesn't murder. He fights in battle, like Guts. Wyald was an introduction to your TYPICAL Apostle.
@@pinealdreams1064 It's true that Zodd fights in battles there; and while Wyald may be the introduction to typical Apostles, he also serves as the very first Apostle obstacle that Guts has to get past in his life (Zodd doesn't count because Guts's encounter with Zodd was short-lived because of the Crimson Behelit)
Honestly fuck Sensitivity!!!🤬🤬🤬 We want a True Berserk anime adaptation and make it accessible for Adults Only!!! And Wyad should be Animated!!! He literally is the First apostle guts Truly killed!!!🤩🤩🤩🤩
Oh boy you reminded me just why I hated this dude so much
Even his horse is devilish
Sharing my critical view and opinion:
I want to make it clear that first of all I don't see Wyald as an unnecessary character for the story, he demonstrates a certain impact as was shown in the 2nd part of this video series. However, I still have complaints with the character because: 1st Miura is not perfect and Berserk is not perfect and this should be more recognizable, 2nd his actions are oversaturated and underestimates the viewer's intelligence and ability to interpret.
remembering that Berserk, being a Seinen, must maintain as its main characteristic the taking of subjects aimed at the adult public and, also for this reason, the same public has a wide range of opinions, this is just mine.
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In summary, my main complaint about the character is due to his clumsy construction which, even though it can be used as an argument to explain his childish and cruel behavior, expresses a lot of ignorance towards the reader since it reduces the artistic expectation of the work due to the lack of concern in approaching the subject of "evil" in a less saturated and more upfront.
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we had already been introduced to the cruel, visceral, promiscuous and degenerate world of Berserk long ago until the battle with Zodd and Griffith's torture the need to make the reader more shocked led Miura to transform the already visceral enough work into something completely below expectations, the evil of the character Wyald is presented in such a chewy way for the reader that he does not need to carry out any activity of reading and comprehension of those actions for the sake of the plot.
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That, generally, does not pose a problem when placed in a work that one does not want to have trouble watching and just wants to relax, this is incongruous with the mature structure of a Seinen, mainly of Berserk caliber.
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Berserk is recognized for being a visceral work, but that doesn't stop it from exploring evil in its most tangled pursuits to force the viewer to try to understand behavior.
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My main problem is the scene of the village. for many, they'll say that the cruelty inflicted on the citizens of that village who helped our beloved troupe of heroes was something brilliant to break expectations and explore the evil of the apostle Wyald. For me i think of it as something saturated and unnecessary, if the objective is to explore Wyald's evil and demonstrate his childish and cruel behavior, is it really necessary to sacrifice the reader's intelligence to interpret the scene in a more dignified way? I mean, If you want to portray someone as a bad person you don't necessarily need to make them the worst in existence, and even if that was the objective it certainly wasn't necessary to rape all people, behead all of them, dismember all of them them and use bodies as banners for that and, my actual problem, make the viewer watch all this, if you want you can skip all this but it's still is something exacerbated and disrespectful to the reader's intellectual capacity, i ain't dumb to understand he's bad, there is no need to force this onto us who are reading and even in a seinen where the message is the most important thing such a forced thing is done.
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As a reader I don't set my eyes on gratuitous violence or rape or something as grotesque as if I'm not going to gather a message that is being used as an artistic basis for it, I'm not a masochist to see something bad which is shallow and insults my intelligence and much less sadistic to see it as if it is normal to use something so sinister without giving proper impact, I hate trivializing it.
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Is just my critical opinion as someone who values what he reads.
Might be biased since I watched the anime before I read the manga but Wyald is like a pressure release valve imo, totally blowing the load too soon. It's a speedbump that kills some of the eclipse's momentum and most of all, shock; especially Casca nearly getting violated. Wow so right before the big eclipse where Guts gets wrekd by unkillable monsters and the band is terrified and useless while Casca is held up about to be [redacted] in front of Guts, the same exact thing happens a chapter before? DIDN'T SEE THAT COMING MIURA
We already know apostles are scary and Guts is capable of taking one on. It's by no means bad content, it just feels so unnecessary especially right before The foremost defining event.
I think miura tought going straight to the eclipse would be way too much for the reader, so he released one of the apostles before it started to prepare the reader. Remember than most of Golden age wasn't even close in tone to the bleak tone of black swordman, by that point the manga has been like 10 volumes with the only apostle being Zodd, and Zodd, compared with the earlier apostles had a strict code of honor. He even seemed to refuse ot partake in the eclipse feast due to his own code preventing him of hurting the weak. The story needed to remind the reader just how horrible apostles could be before throwing a horde to kill the hawks And zodd didn't cut it.
@@yusukeelric That's exactly why it sux imo. We already know the apostles can be debaucherous nightmares and that guts can take one on from the snek and slug barons; and since the last time we saw one was years ago, they arent exactly fresh in our mind so when they amass in a huge army and kill all your favorite characters it's shocking because it wasnt foreshadowed a chapter before.
I wouldn't call it pulling a punch but it treads the line
I think it shows guts and caska romance in a new light. Casca risking her life for guts not caring about wyald
Ehh this argument is kind of bad. The repetition of events is on purpose, especially on Casca's part, it allows us to see how low Griffith stoops to the point he's literally mirroring the demon that they just fought. Wyald also actually helps the pace of the Eclipse, Wyald is the fake final boss fight at the end of the arc, we saved Griffith but there is one last obstacle in our way before finally being free. The fight is MEANT to tire you out, after all that you don't think there could be anything left because the king doesn't have anything to throw at them anymore, this makes the Eclipse come out of complete nowhere, the enemy isn't an outsider anymore but he comes from within.
Also, we need to see Golden Age Guts kill an apostle. It would be inconsistent writing if in the matter of 2 years Guts could already kill several apostles, when we only see him fighting army men in the Golden Age. But if it's shown Guts has always been at the very least capable of pulling the feat, especially near the end of GA where pre-Eclipse Guts is at his peak, no such inconsistency exists and this weakness thus turns into yet another strength of the narrative. Wyald elevates the GA arc in the long running purpose of the series. He's the bridge between the hard medieval genre of Golden Age and the dark fantasy & magic of the rest of Berserk. Actually his and Skull Knight's removal in the animes is probably why people are disappointed when they watch them, move to the manga and find out the story leans more towards the magical side, since the animes try to put Golden Age on isolation like it's GoT instead of integrating it into a bigger picture like it's supposed to do.
It's hard to understand what you are saying, thank god there are subtitles
AYYYY Finally someone showing my boy some respect!
I think the issue with Wyald, is Zodd makes a better introduction to the Apostles and Wyald is merely additive of that.
He never mattered
The way I see it, Wylad represents the absolute worse of the Apostles… humans with inhibitions gone, and their evil fully embraced.
This wasn’t a good explanation for why Wyald deserves to be in any movie/anime adaptation.
Yes. You are technically correct. All the scenes succeed in pulling off everything you point out. You aren’t wrong.
The problem is that in context with what comes after: everything related to the Eclipse, it’s all filler. Cutting him adds shock due to the hard twist the Eclipse brings; from a medieval epic, to a fantasy epic.
All the larger narrative details are already laid out with the inclusion of Zodd and the eventual Eclipse.
Whyld lives matter 😔🤘
Wyald live matters lol
Wyald is cool but some additions should be like having apostle spawn a “gift” for the most depraved members of his knights the wyald bunch so to speak
Would make guts life more difficult
100% correct.. The anime was boring tbh... He'd of made the anime so much dam better!!
I knew wyald was a terrible character but not a pointless one. Didnt understand why people said he was the worst character of the golden age arc
Wyald was one of the most entertaining apostles. He's a cliche done to the extreme and exaggerated purpose to make him work. If your squeamish or judge what should be depicted based on anglo christian norms your not going to Get this characte..
I think some of his deeds could be done with a little more tact. Did Miura really had to show him violating that girl while also having his brother head stuck in his sword? Its pretty metal but also very unholy. Normally im not for censorship but i think some clever ways could have been used here. After all we see them hacked apart in the next scene so it wouldnt leave to much to imagination anyway.
Berserk is also an older manga so that stuff was still fresh, and frankly you don't see the hyperviolence of the 80s-90s as often, I miss that shit.
@@Sernival damn right. Genocyber docet
@@SIGNOR-G remember, this is the kind of apostles you see in Black Swordman Berserk. And the manga needed to prepare the reader for the eclipse after like 5 years of Golden Age. Berserk had a lot of inspiration out of Devilman so, YES it needed to show a woman getting raped next to her brother decapitated head. It was never a series that left anything to imagination, and you would know that if you read the first chapters or even some of the next ones.
@@yusukeelric
This comment looks like something straight out of the meme:
*berserk fans explaining why showing rape and mutilation at the same time is important for the plot*
But i get what you said. I just find it a little too over the top and very worthy of some grindcore cover art.
wyald should have won
he's a hero
@@alexmercer9763 he had a good motto.
rip monke, wylad did nothing wrong
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I only disagree with the part where you said that one scene shouldn't be shown on the big screen. Why not dog. Yes, it's a very sensitive subject matter and offensive, that doesn't mean artist should be censored. If people are to sensitive to watch it they should just stop watching. The U.S is weird. We show ridiculously gratuitous violence and torture on day time tv but anything even remotely resembling sexual assault can't happen. Do people think not depicting it will reduce it in real life? That's a really stupid thought.
This part of the story was truly disturbing...
*Disturbingly misogynistic that is!*
Do Japanese media creators have no way to make a character appear as intimidating/dislikeable other than showing women getting brutalized in all sorts of horrific ways?
Its so fucking cheap and lame, no matter how you look at it.
Lmao this shit is like 20 years old if you really have a problem you should’ve been crying when it first came out.
I mean, have you read A Song of Ice and Fire (the Game of Thrones books)? Gregor Clegane and his cannibal-rapist knights are much much worse. It’s also worth pointing out that Wyald didn’t just rape. He also crushed his right hand man’s head, butchered his own men alive, and brutally murdered a woman’s father and younger brother in front of her.
@@griffiththechad9483 now thats a fucking lame answet if i've ever seen one 😂 how far will you go, what awful things will you say should be ignored just to defend some political agenda? Dont you see media like this is at last and finally dying for good.
@@gdn5001 there you said it, "in front of her", in front of the character. Wich means the shock value was directed towards her, not the audience. To probably come back later into the story and become a character defining moment. Unlike in this manga, whereas this type of horrid things making it to the story seem to have zero story value other than shocking the audience, wich itself is one of the cheapest things a storyteller can do.
“Wich means the shock value was directed towards her, not the audience.”
What? That statement is literally nonsense. If you read that scene and weren’t impacted gutturally I don’t know what to tell you.