This Cadillac DeVille Is the Performance Sedan Nobody Suspects

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    Cadillac Deville DTS-i review! This special Cadillac Deville was modified by Cadillac and Tim Allen for more power and other upgrades. Today I'm reviewing this special Cadillac Deville and I'm going to show you all the amazing quirks and features of this amazing Deville. I'm also going to drive the Tim Allen Cadillac Deville and show you what it's like on the road.
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  • @patrickmason6971
    @patrickmason6971 Před 2 lety +3449

    I love it when Doug reviews relatively normal cars from 10-30 years ago

    • @johnsnow1355
      @johnsnow1355 Před 2 lety +130

      Cars most people actually owned.

    • @deedsofdecapitation7477
      @deedsofdecapitation7477 Před 2 lety +133

      Honestly even if I had the money to buy all those 2-3 million dollar supercars, I would still be much more interested in Doug's "regular" and historical car reviews.

    • @haziqhashim2618
      @haziqhashim2618 Před 2 lety +31

      Agreed, but seems like Doug has been holding some of his vids. Ramcharger, Clio V6, Nissan Zagato. He teased them over a year ago.

    • @Baddawg_313
      @Baddawg_313 Před 2 lety +1

      Right

    • @lkendrix7782
      @lkendrix7782 Před 2 lety +14

      @@deedsofdecapitation7477 expensive to buy, expensive to maintain and expensive to repair or replace! Makes no “cents” to me!

  • @safiullahqureshi3196
    @safiullahqureshi3196 Před 2 lety +967

    These 2000s Cadillacs were packed with tech and super comfortable to drive. It's a shame the Northstar engines had such so many fatal flaws that really hurt Cadillac's reputation.

    • @Almighty_cornholio
      @Almighty_cornholio Před 2 lety +90

      Damn head bolts 😂😂

    • @Grimm-Gaming
      @Grimm-Gaming Před 2 lety +35

      yeah i miss my 96 and 97 Seville...... i averaged about 26mpg and blew both up.... Drove great though for the year i owned em

    • @dylanbechtell3756
      @dylanbechtell3756 Před 2 lety +34

      Glad my escalade atleast got the ls treatment they all should have gotten

    • @mustasheolll2020
      @mustasheolll2020 Před 2 lety +9

      Too bad it’s so ugly 😂

    • @dylanbechtell3756
      @dylanbechtell3756 Před 2 lety +114

      @@mustasheolll2020 that's simply false

  • @maxlarose4539
    @maxlarose4539 Před 2 lety +502

    We love your "older car" reviews Doug. Please never stop making them. This is what makes me love what you do

  • @PetersenMuseum
    @PetersenMuseum Před 2 lety +192

    Thanks, Doug! We're always excited to have you in the museum.🏎

  • @heybravo23
    @heybravo23 Před 2 lety +493

    I remember when these came out Cadillac was so proud about how the brake lights became fully illuminated quicker than any other car on the road and that it was a huge safety advantage.

    • @dabnisbrickey6527
      @dabnisbrickey6527 Před 2 lety +48

      I do remember when I was a child and I saw one of these on the road for the first time. I thought the brake lights were super cool.

    • @fp5495
      @fp5495 Před 2 lety +34

      Oh yea! I forgot about that. They did make a big deal out of the lights. Back when you still had to read about it in car magazines too.

    • @heybravo23
      @heybravo23 Před 2 lety +6

      @@fp5495 That reminds me of when I was a kid collecting Hot Cars brochures!

    • @Jack_Stafford
      @Jack_Stafford Před 2 lety +5

      I liked the idea of those tail lights until I saw them in person. I'm one of those people that unless lights have an extremely fast refresh rate they seem to flicker. So for most of the past 20 years any GM car with LED tail lights when they come on they seem to strobe and flicker. I don't notice it as much in other brands but especially the early Cadillac tail lights and also the new LED Christmas lights that came out at about the same time for a lot of people it's just like having a strobe light in your face.
      People see things at different frequencies and all lights blink but most people don't perceive it so it's not a problem.
      But for many people they have the same problem with fluorescent lights but for me it was the first led lights TVs and everything were completely migraine inducing.
      There's a simple experiment anybody can do if they are skeptical, turn on your camera phone and point your TV remote at the camera and push a button. You'll be shocked at the bright flickering light that your phone camera lens picks up but that you can't see with your bare eyes. You don't even have to do it in a dark room the camera phone will pick up the strobing white light that the remote uses to communicate with the tv. But for most people that is outside of their spectrum of vision so they never see light coming out of their remote control. It's the same kind of thing there is enough variety in eyeballs that for some people LED lights are absolute torch torture and for other people they can't tell the difference one way or the other.

    • @fp5495
      @fp5495 Před 2 lety +11

      @@heybravo23 Every month, I couldn't wait for my car mags to be delivered. It was glorious. Delayed satisfaction is lost on today's youth.

  • @venividivicichannel
    @venividivicichannel Před 2 lety +127

    keep doing these old car videos! every time I check the comments on these older/quirky car reviews, there are tons of people voicing their desire for more! myself included. never stop

    • @smokeyzx14
      @smokeyzx14 Před rokem

      He talks to dam much for the video

  • @BaltimoreAndOhioRR
    @BaltimoreAndOhioRR Před 2 lety +129

    It's neat to be able to go back in time and evaluate cars that were around us, that we maybe didn't think twice about at the time. But we can appreciate certain features or whole cars, now that we're many years removed. Thanks for doing this! 🚘

  • @leonardborgesx
    @leonardborgesx Před 2 lety +122

    Doug, an interesting quirk I remember Tim mentioning is that when they decided to remove the hood ornament and make a custom grill the night vision stopped working. They figured out that it was the Cadillac emblem that was blocking the IR camera. So they had to custom make the emblem as a cutout. If you notice the emblem is not the usual solid multicolor one but a cut out version that lets the camera do its job (or maybe not).

    • @HammondOfTexas0
      @HammondOfTexas0 Před rokem +2

      That makes sense. I wonder where it went. I found the auction for the car online, and they both mention it in the flaws, and shown in the pictures, but the emblem is missing.

  • @Arkeo36
    @Arkeo36 Před 2 lety +243

    The Deville, Seville, and El Dorado were cool looking cars. They deserved to be rear wheel drive.

    • @TheJetJONES
      @TheJetJONES Před 2 lety +13

      The Seville's successor STS (Seville Touring Sedan) had RWD 🙂, while the DeVille's successor DTS (DeVille Touring Sedan) kept its FWD 😐
      They were both succeeded by the XTS - which had FWD
      The El Dorado didn't have any successor

    • @retardray5701
      @retardray5701 Před 2 lety +4

      This was when Cadillac was still very firmly in the "traditional luxury" territory, so that's why they kept FWD.

    • @NCrdwlf
      @NCrdwlf Před 2 lety +2

      Loved the eldorado

    • @w41duvernay
      @w41duvernay Před 2 lety +3

      Try AWD.

    • @curbozerboomer1773
      @curbozerboomer1773 Před 2 lety +1

      FWD is a better way to go, for all cars!...superior traction for sure!

  • @BlazeORenegado
    @BlazeORenegado Před 2 lety +147

    I always love these 80s, 90s and 2000s cars reviews. It's just wonderful to see what was high performance and high-tech back on these times.
    Also, I loved this Deville. I didn't knew about this "new" Deville, only about the 60s one. But boy oh boy, what a wonderful performance sedan!

    • @ohguy1991
      @ohguy1991 Před 2 lety

      That's why I love Motor Weeks retro reviews

  • @rotaerceht687
    @rotaerceht687 Před 2 lety +89

    I remember the a/c in this car worked so good and v8 was so strong. Suspension floated like a cloud and seats were very comfortable. Battery was under the seat was a pain. Trunk space was great. Add some rims to this and candy paint and your a G in Texas 😆

    • @liljack2xjl634
      @liljack2xjl634 Před rokem +15

      You ain’t neva lied🙌🏾‼️

    • @sdalt001
      @sdalt001 Před rokem +10

      That cloud suspension was so awesome. Not great for handling, but driving on marshmallows.

    • @AestheticChino
      @AestheticChino Před 11 měsíci +3

      And california

    • @tariqsw69
      @tariqsw69 Před 9 měsíci +4

      My dad had one of these when I was little, i remember feeling like we were millionaires with the rear heated seats and all 😂😂

    • @user-it1dx5yi6n
      @user-it1dx5yi6n Před 9 měsíci +3

      I counted 2 or 3 on the lot at the strip mall on friday after next lol

  • @blackjackjoker2759
    @blackjackjoker2759 Před rokem +15

    I acquired a 2003 DTS for my mother-in-law. Before she took possession of it I went over it to make sure it was road ready.
    That meant road testing it. I really enjoyed it. Plenty of power. Great handling. It has plenty of head turning appeal.
    I wish they had made them rear wheel drive and not screwed up the design of the engine that causes the head gasket to blow.

    • @paxhumana2015
      @paxhumana2015 Před měsícem

      A little bit of aftermarket tweaking could fix those issues, along with an LS engine swap.

  • @ZeroGrav360
    @ZeroGrav360 Před 2 lety +117

    I have a friend that owns a standard Develle and it’s amazing just how luxurious it is for such an old car. He has a gauge cluster with a screen, heated and cooled front and rear seats, powered just about everything, and much more. It’s truly a stunning car. If only it was as reliable as it was luxurious

    • @DD-dj4jr
      @DD-dj4jr Před 2 lety +6

      Style killed desirability not the tech

    • @BobC59
      @BobC59 Před 2 lety +10

      Your last sentence says it all -

    • @lou8395
      @lou8395 Před 2 lety +3

      Tbh looking back you’re so right. I had a 2000 as my first car for almost a decade, and lookng back at what’s standard in cars nowadays - my deville had them before them all.

    • @gwpeoples
      @gwpeoples Před 2 lety +4

      Lol that was the first thing I thought of. GM likes to load up their cars with high end features and tech but stuff (like power window regulators ugh) is always breaking.

    • @MrCy101
      @MrCy101 Před 2 lety +4

      Rides like you're on clouds..... Until the air ride suspension goes bad😞😞😞

  • @Cameronb.1026
    @Cameronb.1026 Před 2 lety +207

    I’ve wanted to see this specific car reviewed for years but nobody seemed to know about it and that Tim Allen had a hand in making it

    • @btl4220
      @btl4220 Před 2 lety +2

      me too

    • @reformedgarbage5415
      @reformedgarbage5415 Před 2 lety +13

      That's because anything related to Tim Allen has been canceled all because he has different views than other people.

    • @BigJonkulous
      @BigJonkulous Před 2 lety +3

      Doug is here for you

    • @rileym2247
      @rileym2247 Před 2 lety +1

      @@reformedgarbage5415 p

    • @User-1683x2
      @User-1683x2 Před 2 lety +2

      I love tim Allen's lt5 impala ss too

  • @kylefowler5082
    @kylefowler5082 Před 2 lety +56

    I had a Deville back in the day and if I remember correctly the reason the passenger didn't get a dial for the climate controls was because the passenger could only vary the temperature from what the driver picked by 5 degrees or something like that.
    It was a good traveling car, kinda like riding in a boat going down the highway.

    • @jst7714
      @jst7714 Před 2 lety +6

      And it was probably a carry over system from Buick, who put the buttons for the passenger in their door. Same controls, different car

    • @henryjk9419
      @henryjk9419 Před rokem +4

      Like riding your living room couch down the highway 🤣

    • @procupine14
      @procupine14 Před rokem +1

      That's exactly what I remember. The manual for my grandfather's old Cadillac had this same system and that was exactly how it was explained in the manual. Passenger could choose "hotter or colder" than the driver's set temp but it didn't really vary that much.

    • @Ashw1115
      @Ashw1115 Před 9 měsíci +1

      My dad used to have a 1997 Deville and that was to this day the most comfortable car I’ve been driven in. Big ole boat

  • @abraraziz998
    @abraraziz998 Před 2 lety +75

    Absolutely beautiful, the body lines, the beefy stance everything. Tim Allen’s involvement only makes this more special. I think this car has aged exceptionally well, doesn’t look like a car from the early 2000s at all. Front end reminds me of the Mercedes c140 c class

    • @paulthomson9014
      @paulthomson9014 Před 2 lety +6

      Really? It's one the blandest most soulless looking designs I've ever seen . Could literally be any mass produced car from anyamufacturer

    • @brym4467
      @brym4467 Před 2 lety +11

      @@paulthomson9014 a big square car in the 2000s? only thing shaped like this is a impala. everything else was curvy and aerodynamic, like the bmw's to hondas. not sure what other brand this could be mistaken for besides a GM. even the fords Taurus or dodge chargers looked nothing like this.... this is the design all the 60yearolds wanted at the time lol and no other manufacture had anything similar.

    • @yallugly4317
      @yallugly4317 Před 2 lety +5

      You're lying to yourself because this car is so obviously dated with its design

    • @abraraziz998
      @abraraziz998 Před 2 lety

      @@paulthomson9014 yeah the regular one was bland, I’m speaking specifically about the dtsi, but you’re wrong about the design being “like any other car”. This was a “boxy” sedan in the midst of cars which had no body lines or definitions, and were what I’d describe as curvy blobs

    • @abraraziz998
      @abraraziz998 Před 2 lety +2

      @@yallugly4317 Is having my own opinion really lying to myself? Compared to the e38 7 series, Audi a6, heck even the w220 s class, this car looks far sleeker and more modern. Yeah the front end would obviously look dated, it’s a 22 year old car but look at it starting from the b-pillar and you’d understand what I meant

  • @jacobyo99
    @jacobyo99 Před 2 lety +45

    It is absolutely amazing that Cadillac integrated the night vision system into the heads up display. They don’t even do that nowadays

    • @marcusdamberger
      @marcusdamberger Před 2 lety +3

      I remember the ads for this, I think maybe Mercedes also had this.

    • @Northanteus
      @Northanteus Před 8 měsíci +1

      He said infrared as well.😳

  • @joecunningham2944
    @joecunningham2944 Před 2 lety +46

    I remember when this car was introduced back in 2000, Car & Driver did a complete show with Tim Allen and Jon Moss introducing the car and Tim Allen Design company. Jon Moss delivered the car to Tim at a road course where Tim put it through it’s paces. Cool then and cool now.

  • @johnnydeville5701
    @johnnydeville5701 Před 2 lety +14

    What an awesome car! Cadillac started doing cornering lamps in the 60's! These are wonderful cars! Some of these neat features are found in my '04 Buick Park Avenue, too. Body roll is definitely a thing! If the Northstars were PROPERLY maintained, they didn't suffer from the head gasket problems (fixed by '05). I love these big American cars! I'm glad to own Cadillacs and Buicks!

  • @sithlordsoup
    @sithlordsoup Před 2 lety +11

    This car will always stand out to me as one of the first cars I ever noticed to have bright-ass led brake and turn signals.

  • @bryangerarrdo
    @bryangerarrdo Před 2 lety +62

    When Doug reviews some ultra rare fast supercar : 😒
    When Doug reviews a regular 2000s sedan : 😍

    • @automation7295
      @automation7295 Před 2 lety +3

      More like
      When Doug reviews some ultra rare fast supercar : People be like *"I'm wishing death on Doug"*
      When Doug reviews a regular 2000s sedan : People be like *"Oh my god, marry me!?"*

    • @drippgxd
      @drippgxd Před 2 lety

      @@automation7295 Based. These people who makes these comments are not car guys

    • @drippgxd
      @drippgxd Před 2 lety

      L comment tbh

    • @tmo2798
      @tmo2798 Před 2 lety +1

      This is the 'Tim Allen Design' trim. It's not actually regular. Best things in these cars were power steering, comfort, and ... smell.

    • @brian5o
      @brian5o Před 2 lety +1

      I’m with you there. I hardly ever watch his supercar reviews. I don’t find anything interesting about them. I prefer cars that I stand a possibility of owning to those uber-wealthy status symbol cars.

  • @audiocl1932
    @audiocl1932 Před 2 lety +64

    You realize Doug is in a different level when Peteresen's fleet is being auctioned at Cars & Bids

    • @PD-we8vf
      @PD-we8vf Před 2 lety +7

      Wonder what % he takes.

    • @joelflex
      @joelflex Před 2 lety +13

      @@PD-we8vf he mentioned it on one of his more Doug demuro videos. I believe it was a flat percentage of the final sales price maybe like 4-5% if I remember correctly?

    • @spencers4941
      @spencers4941 Před 2 lety +2

      @@joelflex maybe different if it was a package deal with peteresens

    • @Ripplin
      @Ripplin Před 2 lety +8

      And yet, despite all his huge success, he's still so obsessed with views and analytics that he keeps threatening to stop reviewing older cars like this. So irritating... :(

  • @ingvarhallstrom2306
    @ingvarhallstrom2306 Před 2 lety +8

    This car has dramatically improved shutlines like I have never seen on a Cadillac before. Whoever made the final prep of this car was out on a mission.

  • @Skyfall-pf6qi
    @Skyfall-pf6qi Před 2 měsíci +1

    I just purchased a 2001 Midnight blue Cadillac Deville, thanks for the schooling this model is on point, really nice I had engine pulled and sealed.

    • @brandonyo5718
      @brandonyo5718 Před měsícem

      How is it running how many miles you get it at and how many you put on it since buying? I got a 2001 midnight blue also LOL! Only 60k miles my grandpa owned it for 20 years and never drove it. Worried about the north star engine being unreliable. Small oil leak that’s been there for couple years have to top off oil. Any issues at all so far?

  • @jxr-gl4yq
    @jxr-gl4yq Před 2 lety +24

    I gotta admit what got me hooked on Doug were these old car reviews. This is probably what makes Doug unique in a world of somewhat similar car reviewers

    • @curbozerboomer1773
      @curbozerboomer1773 Před 2 lety +1

      doug seems to dwell on the fact that "older, elderly" folks would buy these cars...in actuality, most owners were not 80ish, more like in their 40s and 50s.

  • @chrisminnig7144
    @chrisminnig7144 Před 2 lety +60

    I’ve seen this Caddy parked in the Petersen’s parking garage a couple of times. The fixed Brembo calipers really conveyed that this was some special edition or modded model. I was super curious and found Car and Driver article on it. Such a wonderfully odd creation.

  • @homeslice1958
    @homeslice1958 Před 2 lety +7

    Awesome car, and very cool to see Doug get so excited about this car. He's driven everything under the sun, and he still thinks this DeVille is special (and it is).
    This car is one of one, and so is Doug.

    • @Jordanmilo
      @Jordanmilo Před 9 měsíci

      Of course he’s excited about it. He’s selling it!

  • @pastapylon3008
    @pastapylon3008 Před rokem +8

    this gave me so much nostalgia. my first car was one of these in 2017. i thought that the parking sensor lights in the roof was the coolest thing ever. Even though the front bumper didnt fit, the coat was peeling above the windshield, i broke the sunroof on the highway, and i blew the water pump up on it after two weeks, i will always miss that car, and i will want another one until I die.

    • @tannermartin6094
      @tannermartin6094 Před rokem

      I have one of these, and the parking sensors are so cool😂😂 I love it.

  • @Ishliss2012
    @Ishliss2012 Před 2 lety +7

    I had a 03 Deville it was one my favorite daily’s.
    Fun fact. Turn on traction control and spin the tires from a 10-15mph roll on a dirt road onto pavement, traction control will make the car fall on its face but the rpm’s will keep rising. Keep it wot and hit the TC button again and it will basically neutral drop itself and take off like a rocket.
    Dumb 16 yo me thought it was the funnest thing ever. Called it my “turbo” button. Fun times.
    Use this knowledge with caution.

  • @ImmortalInflames
    @ImmortalInflames Před 2 lety +94

    I've heard that there is a company in the states that offers the upgraded heads, with longer bolts, requiring you to drill into the block, not for the faint of heart.. but if you're an experienced mechanic this solves the fatal flaw of the Northstar... Certainly worth doing on this vehicle!

    • @DrewLSsix
      @DrewLSsix Před 2 lety +13

      You dont need to drill into the block, the fix is well known and relatively easy to do, not some obscure aftermarket fix.

    • @ImmortalInflames
      @ImmortalInflames Před 2 lety +11

      @@DrewLSsix it's obscure if you're not from the states..
      We only had the LS1, thankfully no Northstar down under.

    • @christianf4305
      @christianf4305 Před 2 lety

      @@DrewLSsix how to fix ser?

    • @Flies2FLL
      @Flies2FLL Před 2 lety +15

      @@christianf4305 The problem was that Cadillac used head studs with very fine threads. These would eventually pull slightly loose, and then the head gasket would blow. The solution is to install head studs from a Chevy LS, which have very coarse threads and clamp perfectly. The problem: The existing head stud holes have to be drilled and tapped and this can only be done with a hand drill. The water passages are VERY close, and it is easy to ruin a block by doing this.
      Car Wizard is a channel on here and his shop has done numerous NorthStar head conversions. He has a video on it if you look at his stuff.

    • @josebrown5961
      @josebrown5961 Před 2 lety +5

      It just seems that a company like GM would have tested and determined that the head bolts were wrong before they let them on the street.
      They spent BILLIONS on development and this slips through?

  • @austinmuff5120
    @austinmuff5120 Před 2 lety +7

    I have an 02’ dts and they are amazing cars. Even stock they are pretty fast especially for the size and age. We’ve also had very minimal issues and we hit 150k miles this summer.

    • @bramlintrent1145
      @bramlintrent1145 Před rokem +1

      Same here. I've got a 2002 DTS with 145,000 miles --- never had any trouble with it. Fast car, good performance, good gas mileage.

    • @Browningate
      @Browningate Před rokem +1

      @@bramlintrent1145 Even the stock LD8 Devilles (and later, the DTS that replaced it) don't feel that underpowered, and the gas mileage is decent. A good "work hard, play hard" car.

  • @ronbrock6153
    @ronbrock6153 Před 2 lety +2

    Love this review, Caddy has always been so tech ahead. I have a now semi retired 99 Buick Park Ave Ultra, when changing from USA to Imperial, there was no issue as it was a needle on a back round. What is cool about that car is it had rain sense wipers that fell out of favor for a few years.
    Cornering lamps were falling out of fashion when this Caddy was built, that was old school luxury. But it is a feature found on Caddy XT4s, it turns on when using the turn signal or if you turn at lower speed with out the signal.

  • @dsbromeister1546
    @dsbromeister1546 Před 2 lety +43

    My grandfather, who was an electrician in Detroit for something like 50 years, had this car. Young me was amazed by the luxury features (like heated seats and a digital speedometer!), especially compared to my parents' YJ Wrangler and 1st gen Grand Cherokee. After decades of hard work, his definition of success was being able to buy a big V8 Cadillac sedan. He bought another DTS of the next generation and drove it until he passed away. Thanks for this great review.

  • @drippgxd
    @drippgxd Před 2 lety +4

    Doug when he reviews some crazy fast hypercar I will never see: I sleep
    Doug when he reviews an old car from 20-30 years ago: real shiiii

  • @supremekingjesus425
    @supremekingjesus425 Před rokem +1

    I'm 29 and when I first saw the 2000 Cadillac DTS I always wanted one . I ended getting one when I was 27 and loved it. But I sold it because of the covet 19 . I'm planning on getting a 2006 or 07 Cadillac DTS. The cars are so comfortable to ride in.

  • @kaleandoscope
    @kaleandoscope Před rokem +4

    I love how this version looks!! So beautiful and simple.

  • @KingKola1
    @KingKola1 Před 2 lety +99

    The amount of technology in this car is crazy for its time. More tech than some of the newest cars. Parking sensors, heated rear seats and digital speed wow.

    • @mosquitogzz
      @mosquitogzz Před 2 lety +1

      mercedes had it too in the 220 s class

    • @nickyj3571
      @nickyj3571 Před 2 lety +5

      Night vision also as well as magna ride

    • @drissistg
      @drissistg Před 2 lety

      /S

    • @marcusdamberger
      @marcusdamberger Před 2 lety +1

      @@nickyj3571 Surprised he didn't' mention the magnetic ride. Was that feature adjustable? i.e. you could make it more hard or soft riding?

    • @glennbailey9165
      @glennbailey9165 Před rokem +2

      The navigation system is so obsolete. The plastic push buttons are horrible. It was the era and I worked inside General Motors Design Staff in the Chevy III Studio on the C5 Corvette at the time.

  • @Randolph_
    @Randolph_ Před 2 lety +11

    That silver car looks stunning under studio lights. Glad Doug now has more access to studios for better lighting

  • @bluegizmo1983
    @bluegizmo1983 Před rokem +2

    I have a 1998 Cadillac STS, that thing was crazy fast! I also installed a nice flow master muffler on it so it was louder and sounded awesome. I surprised a lot of Honda's in that car. It was also the fastest top speed I've ever driven, 160 MPH on a lonely highway (limiter was disabled). I don't remember exactly how to do it as it's been years, but there is a way to access the computer in those cars through the stereo buttons and put the transmission into a sort of performance mode for much firmer and faster shifts!

  • @Lianpe98
    @Lianpe98 Před 2 lety +3

    Each time Doug sees a car without big curves and creases he calls it "dull" and "boring". And no Doug, this was far from the old school looking Cadillac, it even alienated some of the last few customers that didn't want to let go of the 70's. The last old school-ish looking Cadillac was the 97-99 Deville, and the last properly old school was the 93-96 Fleetwood.

    • @hotandnasty
      @hotandnasty Před 2 lety +2

      Exactly, I owned a 2005 and thought it was a somewhat classic take on the big bubbly modern American car. So much better looking than a Lincoln Town Car.

  • @Fartmastaman
    @Fartmastaman Před 2 lety +24

    I like how stock this caddy looks, it has that AMG vibe to it. Would have been cool to see a DTS-V next to the ATS-V and CTS-V.

  • @Danmandingo
    @Danmandingo Před 2 lety +20

    *And after all these years, it's STILL COOL LOOKING.* 💯

  • @EchoRhythmMusic
    @EchoRhythmMusic Před 5 měsíci +11

    As a black man, I can assure you it wasn’t just old people that wanted this car. I had a 2000 Deville and I thought I was driving a Bentley lol

  • @radarlovedr
    @radarlovedr Před rokem +1

    I have an 08 DTS it is a beast of a car. Not the greatest around town, gas wise, bun on the freeways, Belt lines, and interstates it is fantastic. Like driving a hot rod couch. Smooth and quiet.

  • @megatronusorionpax4900
    @megatronusorionpax4900 Před 2 lety +156

    So was the DeVille one of if not the first car to have Night vision? Either way it's insanely impressive and deserves a lot of credit, that touch screen is pretty impressive too cause it still works and looks relatively responsive

    • @BadaBing.UCF30
      @BadaBing.UCF30 Před 2 lety +22

      Looks like GM sourced the same touchscreens Lexus used at the time. Same exact graphics.

    • @v8dude609
      @v8dude609 Před 2 lety +14

      Yes, they were the first ones to offer night vision, something they proudly bragged about as at the time you couldnt have a Mercedes or BMW with night vision

    • @safiullahqureshi3196
      @safiullahqureshi3196 Před 2 lety +5

      I'm curious about the software they used for the infotainment. Jaguars and Lexus of the same time period had similar touchscreen systems that still perform well even today. Far better than the terrible controller based systems in Mercedes and BMW.

    • @imrytebeehyneu
      @imrytebeehyneu Před 2 lety +2

      @@BadaBing.UCF30 I thought the Buick Reatta was the first with their touchscreen?

    • @9.5.9.5
      @9.5.9.5 Před 2 lety +1

      @@safiullahqureshi3196 The controller is a lot better than this screen.

  • @waywithwords3632
    @waywithwords3632 Před 2 lety +14

    I love how it even has the check engine light on.
    I have yet to see a deville without one.

    • @marcusfieldfield4069
      @marcusfieldfield4069 Před 2 lety +2

      😂 true words

    • @hotandnasty
      @hotandnasty Před 2 lety +5

      I noticed that too. I owned a 2005 and I think it was just on in this video because the ignition was on, not running. The battery light was also lit.

    • @waywithwords3632
      @waywithwords3632 Před 2 lety +3

      @@hotandnasty that's a possibility.
      At least with my '04 Mary Kay, it's got a misfire on the 7th cylinder and a bad 0² sensor.

    • @2dfx
      @2dfx Před 2 lety +2

      The car was off. This is standard procedure.

    • @caleboden8079
      @caleboden8079 Před rokem +2

      @@waywithwords3632 you had a 04 mary kay ? Was it pearl white or the mary kay pink ? If it was mary kay pink id like to see it, ive never seen the deville/dts from 00 to 05 in pink.

  • @donnis618
    @donnis618 Před 2 lety +11

    Loved this review! Never knew this thing existed. Check out the STS-V, I can't remember if you did that one or not. ALSO The hvac controls on the steering wheel is a no-brainer!! I would rather have those on the wheel than the cruise control, which I never use. Would love more special edition/one-off reviews!

  • @drjohn1084
    @drjohn1084 Před rokem +1

    Owned a black DTS for 12 years. One of the BEST road cars I've ever driven. They really spoil you and nothing compares to a Cadillac. I miss this car soooooo bad. 03 DTS with the 320hp version of the Northstar. Had a different VIN for that motor. If ya know ya know.

  • @ericmarois6960
    @ericmarois6960 Před 2 lety +21

    Factory sleepers! Love 'em already but didn't know of this particularly cool one's existence until today. Isn't Cars and Bids just the perfect complement to this channel for some odd/unusual content to surface that would otherwise hardly ever become possible? Very much enjoyed this video, thank you.

    • @matthewbowen5841
      @matthewbowen5841 Před 2 lety +1

      Eh, they were quick-ish in their day. Not really sleepers per se, being slightly faster than most 200-ish hp V6 family cars. The 240-280 hp V6 family cars of the early 2000s eclipsed them in straight line performance. But in the early to mid 90s, the Northstar STSs were a little faster than, say, the original LS400 or Q45, and similar to V8 E-Classes, XJs and 5-Series.
      Comparing them to the 9-speed or CVT-equipped cars of today, with the insanely fine tuning control of advanced computer controlled systems isn't really fair, though. This was back before variable valve timing allowed broader spectra of power and output was limited by 4 speed automatics. Even wheel slip played a bigger role with less advanced traction control. It's a meaningless comparison.
      My $50 tracfone has more computing power than a $20k Silicon Graphics workstation from 1992. Big whoop.

  • @toddstewart3179
    @toddstewart3179 Před 2 lety +26

    I’ve always loved this model. One of my favorite interiors. Like the color and wheels on this one. Great review.

    • @kaisersoymilk6912
      @kaisersoymilk6912 Před 2 lety

      I like everything about this car except the front: it manages to be both dull and ugly at the same time, the front lights seem out of an old Honda Civic.

  • @S955US84
    @S955US84 Před 11 měsíci +1

    The DeVilles from 2000 to 2011 were GREAT cars. For 11 years, I owned and enjoyed two of them. Smooth as silk. Powerful engine. Pure class in design - nothing like the PIMPMOBILES that Cadillac is grinding out today.

  • @russyp
    @russyp Před 2 lety +3

    My moms 89 Sable had cornering lights. Always thought it was a great feature, especially growing up in a rural area with few street lights and a lot of dark dirt roads and moose.

  • @VdiMusicGaming
    @VdiMusicGaming Před 2 lety +41

    Doug was so true when he said older people in Cadillac “Driving in left lane with turn signal on”

    • @danmccarthy4700
      @danmccarthy4700 Před 2 lety +7

      Years ago I had a '92 Buick Roadmaster. You could tell it was designed for older people because it actually had a warning chime for if you left your turn signal on too long.

    • @VdiMusicGaming
      @VdiMusicGaming Před 2 lety +2

      @@danmccarthy4700 🤣

  • @alexeiutgoff7955
    @alexeiutgoff7955 Před 2 lety +5

    Looks like the enkei wheels that everyone had in highschool in the early 2000s

    • @Techjunkiero
      @Techjunkiero Před 2 lety

      Always hated it back then and now…aged terribly.

  • @George-nx4bp
    @George-nx4bp Před 2 lety

    Literally haven't watched a doug video in months but this popped up in my subscriber feed and I love it, had a DTS for a little bit when I was 17

  • @Carluvr2011
    @Carluvr2011 Před rokem +4

    My 2nd car was a 99 Olds Intrigue that had the "baby Northstar" AKA Shortstar 3.5L LX5 V6. It was a pretty potent motor considering the weight it was hauling around and 215 HP doesn't seem like a lot now, but back then it was considered quite a bit. Those motors and the Northstar's also had some technology that wasn't widely seen at the time like limp home mode. Definitely a cool review!

  • @mikeholmes1313
    @mikeholmes1313 Před 2 lety +92

    I LOVED my 2005 DeVille DTS. The DTS trim front bumper with integrated fog lamps makes the front end look so much better. I've had 3 cars with with the Northstar and absolutely loved them. They sound so great! When GM released these engines in the early 90s they really were amazing. People like to hate on them, but once the head studs are upgraded, they are fantastic. I really wish they would have continued development and improvement as well as modernization. Crazy to think these survived relatively unchanged from the early 90s thru 2011. GM was on to something!.... key word, WAS. Lol

    • @reformedgarbage5415
      @reformedgarbage5415 Před 2 lety +14

      You're one of the few people that actually like the Northstar engines.

    • @johnsnow1355
      @johnsnow1355 Před 2 lety +11

      The headstud fix costs 5k the cars not even worth 1500 in decent shape.

    • @ImmortanDan
      @ImmortanDan Před 2 lety +2

      Nah, they were right to prioritize small-block development. They are simply better engines.

    • @lkendrix7782
      @lkendrix7782 Před 2 lety +3

      I was not that lucky 🍀! My 1999 Cadillac started burning oil at 32,000 miles! Had the runaround with Cadillac. Sued them under the lemon law but got only $2000. I’ll never buy another GM product. Like some many others! I now drive Lexus! Second vehicle! Only one problem! Had to do with an adjustment needed for the braking system. 130,000 miles still runs strong!

    • @imrytebeehyneu
      @imrytebeehyneu Před 2 lety +1

      Dude, the engine rumble sounds crazy good....

  • @THECelrenel
    @THECelrenel Před 2 lety +14

    I drove like a 02 Deville and to this day it's the smoothest driving car I've operated. And I've driven a lot of cars/trucks.

  • @guaterican85
    @guaterican85 Před rokem +4

    I had 2002 Seville SLS and loved the smoothness of the engine and suspension. People say RWD would’ve been nice, but in Chicago, FWD was ideal in the snow. I would be able to go 80 MPH in heavy snowfall and slow down like nothing due to the weight. There’s still cars these days that still don’t have the tech/amenities that car had.

    • @watchandjewelryloft4713
      @watchandjewelryloft4713 Před rokem

      I had a 1998 STS around 2004. It had everything except the sunroof. I absolutely loved that car. Should've never sold it. I'm trying to get a DTS right now. I'm so excited just shopping for them. Found a 2003 DTS and also a 2009. But, to be honest the 2003 body style has me all nostalgic, and the one I found has less miles. Only 92,000.

    • @Jerkmadness
      @Jerkmadness Před 9 měsíci

      I'm in Chicago too and I can agree😂

  • @2bunphettered788
    @2bunphettered788 Před 2 lety +1

    Good pick Doug. 👍 I remember cornering lights! 😁 We had a 1989 Mercury Sable station wagon that had them. 👌

  • @illbehim
    @illbehim Před 2 lety +10

    Woa! Car review straight outta the Doug Demuro oven! Get it while it's hot!

  • @Notorious40z
    @Notorious40z Před 2 lety +30

    I always loved this car , because they were mostly owned by elderly people it’s easy to find a nice clean one with LOW KM. They can sound sweet with a proper exhaust the only thing is the Northstar V8 I always hear they have issues.

    • @hotandnasty
      @hotandnasty Před 2 lety +4

      I owned a 2005 DeVille and loved it! It was the perfect balance of affordable, luxurious and sporty (bought used 2016-2021). It gave me very few problems and was great for a custom sound system. You can even check and clear diagnostic codes from the dash! 1993-2004 northstars had headbolt issues that could be fixed for a high price. 2005-2011 were revised. I still own a 2003 Oldsmobile Aurora with the 4.0L northstar that the previous owner had the headbolt issue fixed. That is the lighter better handling sleeker sporty looking northstar to have in my opinion.

    • @jeffreymorrow6503
      @jeffreymorrow6503 Před 2 lety

      That engine will surely fail just because it’s old doesn’t matter how well it was maintained or how low the miles are. They got a lot right but that engine negated all the positive attributes.

  • @TheTulerie
    @TheTulerie Před 2 lety +5

    I think this might be one of my favorites for Doug's videos. You can really see how much fun he is having with filming this car

  • @jordysrevenge
    @jordysrevenge Před 2 lety +4

    i love this generation of deville cause they are SOO damn comfy, a friend of mine had one in high school and the seats were like sitting on a cloud and they ride amazingly (i was surprised because of it being a late 90’s/early 00’s GM product) and i was actually looking at one of these for a daily but the northstar’s got me paranoid

    • @toddprater14
      @toddprater14 Před rokem

      If you like this 5 year body style (00-05’) grab a last year 05’ northstar was fixed by then finally using longer coarser head bolts.

  • @themechanic9226
    @themechanic9226 Před 2 lety +7

    Another Demuro video where he sees something for the first time and thinks it’s a “quirk”, despite it being an old feature. Cornering lamps had been on luxury cars for decades before this car was made.

    • @BadaBing.UCF30
      @BadaBing.UCF30 Před 2 lety

      Yep, same with the touch screen. It was nowhere near as uncommon as he claims they were in 2000.

  • @KevRC4130
    @KevRC4130 Před 2 lety +9

    Thank you for mentioning this taillights on this car! I love that you and I are of a similar age (and oddity) - when this car came out I was the same wide eyed 10 year old kid mesmerized by the then-revolutionary LED glow and fast blinking characteristics that looked like a spaceship at the time. Truly excited by a taillight as a kid - Kind of hilarious to think back on that (although these days LED lighting has become such an important design characteristic on almost every car, definitely not the case back then!). 20 years later and I'm an industrial designer - it's funny how things all make sense with time! :-)

    • @BaltimoreAndOhioRR
      @BaltimoreAndOhioRR Před 2 lety +2

      I agree! I always noticed these taillights and thought they were so cool! I didn't know they were just straight LED, like the ones that are common nowadays. I always thought they used fiber optics somehow. For some reason, these lights still stand out today when I see them. They just look different than the current LEDs.

    • @trey072
      @trey072 Před 2 lety +2

      Second that! Was truly amazed by them. Didn’t know about LED technology back then and always referred to them as “digital” taillights due to their definitive ON/OFF sequence

  • @RusticShine
    @RusticShine Před rokem

    that light on the fender for the turn signal has been around for a while. i have a 83 coupe deville and it has it. love love LOVE that feature especially finiding hard to spot driveways

  • @lindayeager3126
    @lindayeager3126 Před rokem +2

    They need to start making cars like this again ,simple ,solid ,and beautifully smooth driving , easy to fix !☺

    • @coreyprkr2013cp
      @coreyprkr2013cp Před rokem

      Facts

    • @davidsoto7114
      @davidsoto7114 Před 6 měsíci

      @@coreyprkr2013cp if both you guys think a deville is easy to fix, then you guys must know about cars

  • @lennonade23
    @lennonade23 Před 2 lety +4

    I’m primarily interested in watching dougs videos on older cars, because its the weird cool stuff of the past that I can potentionally afford and own, anyone else?

    • @brian5o
      @brian5o Před 2 lety

      Yes, I feel the exact same way, actually I just made nearly an identical comment myself.
      I have no interest in any of the over-priced supercars Doug reviews with the exception of older Ferraris, Lamborghinis and such. I typically never watch his videos on modern, $1,000,000+ cars, they just don’t interest me.
      I too like cars that I have a hope of being able to buy.

  • @rgbtrashcan9148
    @rgbtrashcan9148 Před 2 lety +5

    THIS, is my favorite car review channel.

  • @isailopez4132
    @isailopez4132 Před 2 lety

    That smile when expressing how cool this car when he is driving it.. is priceless.. ❤️
    we love you doug..

  • @alexbritch02
    @alexbritch02 Před rokem

    I see Devilles quite often where I live, BC, Canada.
    Always loved them

  • @yueibm
    @yueibm Před 2 lety +34

    The 4T80E transmission had "Performance Algorithm Shifting"! One of the first ones that uses driver inputs to pick the right gear and shift firmness. In my STS if I braked and started to turn, it would go into 2nd gear before I got back on the accelerator.

    • @matthewbowen5841
      @matthewbowen5841 Před 2 lety +6

      Yes, all part of the Northstar System. Haha. Or, at Oldsmobile, the Precision Control System.

    • @yueibm
      @yueibm Před 2 lety

      @@matthewbowen5841 I just learned that from you! Makes sense, since the Aurora had a de-bored version of that powertrain.

  • @goldendawn7
    @goldendawn7 Před 2 lety +13

    Had an 04 (amongst many other North stars) and it would flat out fly in a straight line (300hp was really good back then), rode smoother than anything, and got 28mpg highway, nearly 20 in city. Felt super solid, maybe not compared to an S class, but it was also half the price. If these things were RWD, they would have been real contenders. I have an ES350 now, the spiritual successor to the deville, but dead reliable.
    They get so much crap for not being German sporty, not everyone wants that. Smooth, isolating ride and high end torque for highway overtaking are all I want or need. Keep your punishing suspension and tight steering, I drive an ambulance for a living and get enough "road feedback" when I'm at work, I just want to be pampered by my car in my off time. Lots of people do. Stop mocking it.

    • @davyd4355
      @davyd4355 Před 2 lety +1

      I totally agree with you ,who told automakers that we all wanted to ride around in stiffly Sprung Race cars I miss the days when you could make a U-turn using only your pinky finger and float across railroad crossings

    • @VcArena
      @VcArena Před 2 lety

      As long as it turns and stops safe I'm good, don't need to be the fastest around the track, but I do wanna blow some doors off in a straight line (dig, roll or top end)

  • @darkwoodmovies
    @darkwoodmovies Před rokem +2

    Wow, this car aged insanely well. Even the design still fits in with modern cars. I really like it.

  • @SkeetMcRibb
    @SkeetMcRibb Před 2 lety

    Loved this review. I’ve always liked these cars for better or worse. I haven’t got one yet but all the research I’ve done has pointed to unbelievably complete factory service records. The old folks took great care of them and I can’t deny it makes them more attractive to me.

    • @curbozerboomer1773
      @curbozerboomer1773 Před 2 lety

      Yes!...I bought my 93 Buick Park Avenue from the original owner, about five years ago...he had serviced it rigorously, and it now has around 150,000 miles on it, no serious problems at all--and I love the FWD.

  • @christianneff1985
    @christianneff1985 Před 2 lety +3

    Bought a 88’ deville off my grandad last year and have been amazed on how well it has served me and how nice it is for the time. Powered seats and windows, air suspension, and plenty of other features I wouldn’t expect from an 80s car.

    • @nickyj3571
      @nickyj3571 Před 2 lety

      Better engine back then. 4.9 i think or 4.5

  • @johnrobinson2552
    @johnrobinson2552 Před 2 lety +7

    Doug, this was an awesome video experience! I love unique cars such as this and hope to see more. Thanks!
    Cheers!

  • @robertborne895
    @robertborne895 Před 12 dny +1

    Often with older navigation systems, the fastest way to set them up is to input the phone number of your destination. Discovered this on a 2003 Infiniti Q45 and it works on other makes and models.

  • @MagicNomadic
    @MagicNomadic Před 2 lety

    This is my favorite year Deville, this is a killer mod. I love it and the fact Tim and I are on the same page when it comes to cars.

  • @ultraguy8771
    @ultraguy8771 Před 2 lety +6

    For a 20 year old car mainly targeted at 80-year old men, these things are surprisingly high-tech.

    • @Knights2theEnd
      @Knights2theEnd Před 2 lety

      He missed a few of the features... the seats have a massaging feature, auto rear shades that go up and down, and voice activated/hands free communication.

  • @raphaeltoast
    @raphaeltoast Před 2 lety +6

    We love the old and quirky car reviews, Doug - keep 'em comin!

  • @grottu
    @grottu Před rokem

    Had that northstar in 96 Eldorado....LOVE it, never had any issues other then oxygen sensors....

  • @AustinRides7264
    @AustinRides7264 Před 2 lety

    I had a pearl white 2000 Cadillac DeVille! Guy I bought it from put a factory Cadillac touch screen unit in that would tilt forward for you to put dvds in. I would watch movies in my garage with that thing in park. LOVED this car. Heated seats were a God send in wintertime 😅
    That Northstar could move that baby too just fine for a grandpa car. Mine didn't have any major issues. Over 100k miles.

  • @josephdunkle1152
    @josephdunkle1152 Před 2 lety +17

    Yep the 2000 DeVille was the first car with all LED tail lights I saw back in the day. I thought it was so futuristic looking.

    • @jonlosito2004
      @jonlosito2004 Před 2 lety

      Also.. Doug thought that the Mercedes S Clas W220 was the first to offer LEDs. Hes wrong.

    • @Browningate
      @Browningate Před rokem

      With that diffused appearance, they are still instantly recognizable (and even iconic) to this day.

  • @bigfatbub
    @bigfatbub Před 2 lety +16

    "Everything on this car was for the elderly"
    The last thing my grandma would've wanted to say about her custom made granny mobile is "I ride the devil everyday"

  • @DR_Bloom86
    @DR_Bloom86 Před 2 lety

    Back in January I bought a 2006 DTS with only 54k miles. I took it on HotRod Powertour this year too lol. Its pearl white with tan grandpa special but i love it!

  • @johnricci4511
    @johnricci4511 Před 2 lety

    Great review! I owned an 04 DHS for 10 years, wonderful car.

  • @cars9716
    @cars9716 Před 2 lety +4

    This growth of "This" is slowing down at quite a rapid rate

  • @cts12321
    @cts12321 Před 2 lety +7

    For when grandma is running REALLY late to church.

  • @beingmyself000
    @beingmyself000 Před 2 lety

    Haven’t stepped foot in a Cadillac dealership since the last of the DTS models. I think it was 2007. My grandfather said that it was the last of what a Cadillac should be. Big Cadillac family of the past. A lot of Cadillacs.

  • @ArtemisAvali
    @ArtemisAvali Před 10 měsíci +1

    I own a 2003 Seville STS, it's crazy how different my car is to the Deville. My 6 CD changer is in a lower center console compartment, and my touch screen panel moves out and down to allow me to put a map/DVD in. It has the same Northstar 4.6L V8, super nice sedan

  • @CarputingYT
    @CarputingYT Před 2 lety +17

    Thank you for still making videos on older cars even though you know they will get less views - your old fan base such as myself appreciates you Doug. You're a real one.

    • @drippgxd
      @drippgxd Před 2 lety

      I love it when Doug makes videos on new cars. These old cars are so boring and that nobody cares about them.

    • @nimi2470
      @nimi2470 Před 2 lety

      I’m pretty sure the views on those videos on new cars would drop as well if he stopped doing these. The people subscribed for older and cool cars would start unsubscribing.

  • @AUTOdidact77
    @AUTOdidact77 Před 2 lety +10

    Long live the Northstar V8 (head bolts) 😎

    • @NSH_2814
      @NSH_2814 Před 2 lety +5

      @@aidaaliten8817 stop spamming random numbers

    • @Techjunkiero
      @Techjunkiero Před 2 lety

      It’s a engine disaster

  • @TheAJKid
    @TheAJKid Před rokem

    I have an 03 Deville out front with a leak at the Lower Crank Case Seal. Thing is a beast, though. I love that car. So comfortable.

  • @beatboxlanguage
    @beatboxlanguage Před 2 lety

    Once again, doug reviews a car that I never knew I needed. I am now obsessed with this thing.

  • @Games_and_Music
    @Games_and_Music Před 2 lety +9

    I'm happy that more brands will start doing the turn signal lighting on the side, not just for the drivers, but also for me mostly as a pedestrian, because during the day, it can be hard to see if, or which signal they've got on.

    • @stevesmith6236
      @stevesmith6236 Před 2 lety

      Cornering lights have been available on cars for decades! Don't know why Doug made such a big deal about them. My 1967 Buick Riviera had them.

  • @hbgriss
    @hbgriss Před 2 lety +10

    Minus the good for nothing engines. I would have bought one long ago. Perfect sized sedan

  • @carl200616
    @carl200616 Před 2 lety

    I waited years and years and years for a Cadillac deville review from this guy, who went from new cars reviews to, anything I can review so money can continue coming, which don’t get me wrong, I like

  • @Long-nd8bq
    @Long-nd8bq Před 2 lety

    When I was stationed at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Dayton Ohio, there was a local guy who had a local shop build him a turbo NorthStar for his STS. I got a ride in it, and it was impressive. Not your typical LS swap or muscle car. I loved it. My grandfather had a 2004 Cadillac DeVille and my dad got it after his passing. We took it on some road trips and other than having some expensive blend door actuator replacement it was a good car while it was in the family. I always wanted to change the wheels, tint the windows, change the exhaust, and make it more of a muscular touring car. I now have a black W221 S-Class that fits that description, but I always loved these Caddy's even if the NorthStar wasn't the best powerplant. Wish they had the LS4 instead. This is like the DTS-V that never was.