Comparing our New 5th Wheel to Our Old Travel Trailer (Fulltime RVers Review)
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- In this video we compare our new 33 foot Alliance Paradigm 295MK to our old 26 foot Outdoors RV 22FQS travel trailer!
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You ABSOLUTELY made the right decision not to go super long and introduce a whole series of issues many are experiencing. We’ve been at 34’ for several years. Would not want to deal with longer.
God Bless you both & your travels❤! I'm 2-3 years away from semi-retirement. And my #1 choice is 33' 5th wheel, that I plan to tow with a 1 ton diesel. So I felt like I was listening to Kindred-Spirit Cousins, as you described your upgrade to your 5th wheel set-up.
I'm a widow, with 3 Furkids & 3 SlitherKids. Being able to accommodate my Boa Constrictors was a deal-breaker consideration for me...they're my Spirit Animals😂 So I was glad find someone that has had success with a 5th wheel rig like I've been dreaming of.
I look forward to reviewing your library of videos. To learn more about what to expect when me & the kids can finally hit the road. Be Safe & Happy Travels🎉,
Candy😊, Tauo, Killian & Dixie 🐾; Raoul, Rosalita & Seraphine 🐉
Your wedding pics are a testament to your adventurous spirit and lifestyle. 🥰
Oh thank you!
I too started with a travel trailer and moved up to a small 5th wheel, I found myself watching your video and say yes, yes as you went along. Good video, lots of food for thought.
Thank you for a very comprehensive and unbiased summary of the pro's and con's of travel trailer versus 5th wheel. Your experience makes the information so much more credible. We struggled with this dilemma for quite some time and we were dead set on a small 5th wheel for all the reasons you described. However, we use our rig for only 1-6 weeks at a time, not full time, and live in a heavily forested area so we ultimately went with a travel trailer simply to avoid low hanging tree branches and phone lines. That concern was not even on our radar until we specifically evaluated the practicality of our property and the roads leading in and out. Good stuff and thank you.
We have a 24 ft fifth wheel . It is an older rv Forrest River classic,super light,but they still are making 27 ft and Grand design has one also. Our height 12.9, weight 8000 lb.. We have a diesel 250 . We don’t even know the RV is back there.
It seems like you are in a Goldilocks scenario. You had a house, Too big, too much, stuck in one spot. Then you tried different options, Van, fun but small. Roof Tent, really small, travel trailer, great, but started get cramped with the dogs. So hopefully this is just right! It is your home! Find what is comfortable for you, your lifestyle, and your work. Have fun with your travels and life!
You are right! Good assessment! 😊
@@IreneIronTravels those roof tent days were dark days 😂
Love your Basenjis!!! I grew up with tri, red and white and black and white.
I went the other way. I went for a 37 foot toy hauler to a 25 foot class. C. The reason was our changed. It’s a lot like a hammer; the right tool for the right job
Wow what a great video. You all crushed this one. Thanks for the video and adding all the extra clips while talking. Made for a very entertaining video.
Much appreciated! So glad you noticed and we really appreciate you watching!!
Dang, Chris your driving skills impress me so much! ! What a rock star you are! ✨🌟💫 And no I didn’t think pregnant - I think it’s a new truck!
Carman!!! I miss you and hope you are doing well. Thank you for the compliment 😘 - Chris
@@IreneIronTravels miss you too!
your floor plan checks all our boxes. i love your 33 foot
It fits ours too!
❤Love watching your channel grow and the videos just keep getting better and better!!❤
This latest rig is just wonderful-that floor plan is dynamite! looks likes a calm comfy home. Brings the outside in. Depending on where you are the views are magnificent. 😂
Thanks Mary! So homey! 🥰
I just wanted to say every time I watch your videos It puts a smile on my face. Thanks for all your great advice.
@Me-xm4tg well thank you so much! ☺️ That makes US smile. 😊
Great video and size does matter in all things RVing. Which is why we got the Alliance Avenue 32RLS since we are mostly without kids now. It's size suits us and we can hit most state parks also. Thanks for sharing.
Luv your video and your pets. I find this a great comparison video. I take along 2 dogs and a cat everytime we head out. Space is precious when adding 2 crates and litter box. We aren't full time otherwise 5th wheel will be on our wishlist. We had same issue with the trailer unhitching. Tried several method until I found one that was simple and just about guaranteed to work. Safe trip and thanks for sharing your moments.
While traveling the East Coast, a good overnight camping option is Huntington Beach State Park on US 17 in South Carolina. It's just South of Murrells Inlet and 80 miles North of Charleston. It's directly on the Atlantic Ocean, with great restaurants and lots of historical venues nearby. Your videos are always informative and entertaining. Safe travels !!
Luv the wedding pics!
Fantastic comparison setting realistic expectations for others!
Enjoyed the comparison between your rigs. We are only using our camper a few weeks a year bur we went from 36' 5th wheel to 19 ft tag along. Like you said, we are all different with different stages of life. I'm glad this rig is working out for you.
Loving the variety of your videos and especially these when you two sit and hang out with us. That muddy spot was wicked!
Glad you like them! Appreciate you hanging with us! 😊
Great overview of some the pros and cons of various rv types and sizes. After many years of part time rviing with many different rvs I agree 100% with your observations. It really boils down to how you use it, and what you value most. Good job.
Well said!
Great review of the two different types of RVs. Each person needs to decide what and how they intend to use the RV. We have a 40ft toy hauler with a small garage under the bedroom. We cycle, so we carry 4 bicycles. Usually stay in RV parks, but discover the area outside the park on our bicycles. Take you time and watch great informative videos such as this one.
I think you needed more grease on the ball to make the TT easier to remove.:). I think is it funny that you say the 5th is more manueverable but you are more cautious of driving in tight spots. Seems like it wouldn't be an issue, as much.
This has been very good for my wife and I who are retired and looking at trailers and fifth wheels, thanks!
Glad it was helpful!
very nice comparison. That is one of the beauties of RVing. There truly is something for every style. We move around a lot and cover a lot of ground, and frequent state, provincial and national parks, so having a trailer that is lower and a bit shorter than a lot of 5th wheels suits the current needs. If a point comes when we want to stay in one place for several months at a time, then a bigger 5th wheel may be what meets the bill. One thing I do like with the trailer hitch versus a 5th wheel hitch is the articulation of the hitch that is available for getting into some of these very sloped sites. But again, it really depends what your style is. Very happy to see that you are enjoying yours, and really looking forward to your trip up the east coast. As always, very safe travels.....
I enjoyed this video so much, thank you! We’re in a super nimble travel trailer for our first rig right now and working our way toward going full-time and accommodating animals while we do that. I think we’ll go fifth wheel for that transition, and your video really helped me understand the pros and cons for those choices.
And the “I’m not pregnant! I know what you all are thinking” made me laugh so much! (I’m 34 and child free, and I always feel like I have to caveat “surprises” with my family 😂)
As we contemplate downsizing from a Class A, your insights and experiences are invaluable. Thank you for an excellent presentation.
Glad it was helpful! Good luck in your decision! 😊
Have been in one of those older parks in Ft Myers and also in Pasadena with our 33' 5th wheel and many gyrations to get in and out of the sites. Now have downsized to 27' travel trailer and much easier to maneuver.
Welcome to the east coast! You are correct that the boondocking spots are limited. There is always the moochdocking option too.
Thanks Garret! 😊
Those dual rear slide outs will really increase the living space in your fifth wheel! Congratulations on the new RV! 30 feet seems to be a sweet spot on length, with more wanted while camping and less wanted while driving! And it is a lower weight than the maximum length 40 foot long trailers, that is important in the weight, fuel mileage, tire wear, and more!
Nice technical video and explanations
Thank you so much 😀
Great insights! We started with a 16' Scamp (13' living space) and it was a great size except the bed was too small. We upgraded to a Bigfoot fifth wheel (20' long) which was a terrific size and good space for us but we never used it! We're not full time so the fact that it just sat in our driveway made us really sad. We sold her last summer and just picked up a pop up truck camper! We went from small to a little bigger to smallest yet! LOL We're hoping the truck camper seems easy to just get up and go for a couple nights or a long weekend. But we'll see how we do with us and two dogs inside! LOL Thanks again for your valuable insights!
Enjoyed your comparison video. We have a Outdoor RV25RLS Backcountry we really like, but really like your 5th wheel too. Sonora is our home town that you showed as a small town you went through after showing coming down Hiway 88 from Tahoe.
wow, such a good video, lots of info. Thanks!!!!!
Thanks for that video we are actually in a 33’ Grand Design and have been fulltime since 2018 in it. Going to be looking at an ORV 24rls in Tampa next week. Your video gave us some insight as we have never lived in a travel trailer. With the Lippert frames which both companies (GD and Alliance) were told not to travel with full tanks by Lippert. Has Alliance done something different in this regard? If so, will take another look at them. As to hitching on uneven ground when truck is not even to hitch…..trust me, have had some moments of worry when we could not hitch or unhitch with fifth wheel either. Just love your living space I wish they came built this way, it’s perfect!
Great video! Really informative on the pros and cons of a travel trailer vs a 5th wheel. I love that new rig of yours but I don’t know if we would be able to do what you do with yours.
We are finishing our vintage trailer restoration this year and have two trips planned but we think of when we retire what we might want to upgrade to. The 5th wheel would be perfect for snowbirds wanting to not own two houses.
That comment at the end. “We have some news” Chris should have kept everyone thinking before saying. “ I know what you’re thinking”. You were right I immediately thought mr stork was paying you a visit.
😊 Yes, thanks! 🤣 Awesome to hear you're finishing your vintage trailer!
Great video. My wife and I did 2 years in a van like you had before. We now have 2 kids and are planning to go full time again. A van is out of the question, but I am leaning towards a trailer. This video will help us decide.
Nice! Yes, maybe a little bigger one than our 26 footer? Good luck in the hunt for the RV. 😊
Great information! We have ordered a 40 ft toy hauler and have a dually to pull it. We will be big, but plan on boondocking out west quite a bit. Here on the east coast (we are in New Hampshire) there isn't much in the way of boondocking.
I was amazed on your roof top tent days
😊 good memories for sure!
Lots to think about as we get get ready to upgrade on the next year or so. Thanks for the info
Yes, good luck on the decision!
We had 2 travel trailers and then got a fifth wheel.so much better in every way. Driving in high wind is not a constant white knuckle terror. We got a Reese goosebox. Even though it is 3000 lbs heavier, we get better gas mileage.
I would love to have an Alliance...our dream. I know y'all will love it. I can't wait to hear about your new baby! Best wishes ans safe travels! Love from SC, Jane
Thank you so much!! 😊
What a tease!
That’s good you like the new Rv even though I have a fith wheel I don’t like it as well as my trailer and my motor home the stairs are hard for my older parents and and even my wife. I definitely don’t like the center island as it just takes up floor space I would like to buy a new Rv but they are hard to find with out the center islands
Your math is skewed on figuring that 5th wheel's length overlapping w/ truck.
54 ft combined length individually doesn't go down 4 feet hooked up...
That 4 ft overhang overlaps w/ 4ft of the truckbox...
54 ft would reduce to 46 ft "hooked up' based on that statement...
I'm still on the fence. We traded in our old tt for a good used 5vr a couple years ago. I will admit a couple things. The 5vr pulls better and has a little more storage. Overall though. The tt was nice and served it's purpose without issue. Cheaper on fuel as well. Both within inches of each other. 34 foot. 1 5vr plus is my rod storage being inside the front. I use 2 inch pvc pipe and some electrical stand off straps to mount to the ceiling of the front tunnel. Works great. Not sure why. But I think the tt was easier to heat and cool also.
If you’re traveling through Pennsylvania this year, most of the state parks have at least electric only sites and some with some full hookups. We’ve been to some that have sites big enough for your rig.
Good to know thanks!
Ohhhh, we had the problem once we were not able to disconnect. We were super new RV'rs then.
I hope you'll get a chance to stay in one of Vermont's beautiful state parks. 😊
I've towed bumper pull trailers, gooseneck trailers, and fifth wheel trailers. I can make a 180 degree turn in a gooseneck or fifth wheel in the length of the trailer...not easy, because it requires a couple of jacknife turns, so you must watch the cab and trailer closely.
Long bed is the way to go.
Hilarious! I certainly did think a baby was on the way.
You should consider a goose neck hitch and get your truck bed back.
👍 I would look into it more if we had a long bed truck, but with a short bed we like the automatic slider. Seen and heard of too many accidentally truck cab hits. We just go to so many unknown and new places.
@@IreneIronTravels Gen-Y has an offset ball, its basically just like a slider hitch.
We look forward to watching you doing some more boondocking.
We do too!! Thanks!
Even though we are boondockers, I think we were just priced out of 5th wheels...even used. So bigger TT was kinda all that we could go for. but I'm not looking forward to parking it in the occasional park. just backing 36ft travel trailer is going to be a challenge!
In almost 45+ years of rv-n and everything from a tent to. 34’ Class A if we learned anything, it was no one rv / size fits everyone or all periods of life. We are now back to a 30’ ORV travel trailer. It’s what fits us now. 2-3 years from now ???
Quit showing our second home, Tahoe!! Hehe! Just kidding. That makes me so happy. Cave Rock, Caples Lake, also looked like the casinos at Stateline. If you’re ever there again, we are in South Lake during the summer months. But usually not with our Brinkley…we have sticks and bricks there!
🤣 Yes, what a beautiful place! We look forward to going back some day!
I think the only travel trailers that are actually the length of the model number are Airstreams. Most 26' travel trailers are closer to 30' in length. Airstream measures from the center of the hitch ball to the rear bumper.
Hey y’all! I’ve watched a couple of your videos and just hit that subscribe button! #Lovin’TheVids. I did want to ask (sorry if you’ve been asked this question a million times) are either of you on videos calls (Teams, Zoom) while at campsites or boon-docking? I work remote but have to be on video chats often and want to find a reliable internet before heading out. Keep up the great content!
Hello! We do video calls a couple times a month. So it's not a daily thing, but we do need reliable internet everywhere we go since our business is 100% online based. This is the video of what we are using. czcams.com/video/5SItxqWksgI/video.html
But here's the gist. We use dedicated cellular based interent as our number 1 and carry star link as a backup to make sure we are covered.
(IMO) Cellular is still king because of trees/obstructions and having it work while in motion. Starlink now has in motion, but what happens when you get to your campsite and its under trees.
So a good roof based antenna and quality router in your RV is what we use. Insty Connect (like in the video) is a little less expensive than say Peplink options, but dosent have as nice of routers. But, now the new Instyconnect has an ethernet option do you can use and ethernet router.
With this said a lot of people use Star Link full time...... but you really have to make sure you always have a clear view of the sky....
Very niiiice and informative video!!!
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Thanks 👍
Hi guys, love your content and watching your travels. Now, in this video, you seem to be interested in something different (maybe a travel trailer again)? My wife and I found ours from Grand Design 2670MK. It has opposing slides, a kitchen island, a desk area, and tons of countertops. Check it out online sometime. Have a great day! David PS, our friends liked ours so much they sold theirs less than one year old and bought one like ours :)...
Awesome video. We’re currently searching for a fifth wheel to replace our travel trailer. What made you choose the Alliance? I apologize if you’ve covered that in a previous video.
Thanks! It started out with friends that had them that we first saw the Allainces. Then we met Rob, one of the team members at Alliance through RV Unplugged and that started more conversation. We really fell in love with 295MK we have and also heard great things about quality and warranty. We've had more little warranty things than we'd like , but overall love the rig. Will cover more in the future. 😊
We just love the state park for camping. It also helps to be 62 to qualify for the America the beautiful pass for half of the sites
Yes, nice perks!
Military vets get it way before 62 and the same discount!
I thought I went through rigs quickly until I ran into your alls channel. 🤣
😂 true
Just found your channel!! Love!! Where from MN are you guys??
Hey 👋 thanks for watching! We are from the Twin Cities area. We had a house in Hudson WI, for about 10 years and then we moved over to St Louis Park area before we went full time in the RV. We worked all over the TC's area...Stillwater, St Paul, WSP, Plymouth, SLP.
I would have gone with the 28rks 5th wheels suffer from frame flex they are always closer to 2ft taller and I believe Outdoor RV TT i believe has a little more ground clearence especially in the back end.
Thats a great option!
Thanks for the informative video! Question: Are you running the stock suspension, wheels, and tires on the Tremor?
Thanks! Yes, all stock on the Tremor.
You should get a F350 Dually for that full profile fifth wheel.
Travel days & errands can be tough - even with our smallish Imagine 17MKE (22' overall) and our truck. Walmart gets a lot of grocery money from me, as I know we can always find a spot. OMG on that older mobile home park in FL - we drove through a similar one (not towing) in NC and just a giant no. RV toilets use a lot of water & can definitely fill the black tank. Ah ha ha "and no, I'm not pregnant".
How do you feel about giving up the truck bed (for the most part) as storage (if I missed this, my apologies - dog, husband...)?
🤣 Yes! For the most part all of our stuff in the bed fit inside the 5th wheel so it's kinda a wash. We still use the truck bed for "wet" stuff storage though. 👍
Very nice and interesting talk. Entertaining as always! Y'all will be fine up the E coast in the state parks and COE land. Be careful out there and scratch the dog's head for me!! 😄
Thanks! We will! 😊
@@IreneIronTravels Well, I just saw that Phil & Stacy had their RV ceramic coated at the same place that you did.. :)
@grayfox9911 yes, I just saw that too! Nice 😊
Chris you need to start a special club for Women 5th wheel drivers (Shirley, Following the Yellow Brick Road,; Sharon, S & S and Rv cats; yourself).
Yes! Good idea! 😊
I told you guys to go to Ocala and Kissimmee It's much drier and higher up
😊 Yes!
Did you remove a booth t
And create your own double desk? It looked great
Yes, we removed the couch and had the factory put in the desk! 😊 Thanks!
If your travel trailer had a Murphy bed it would’ve been AOK 😎👌🏼
Yes! That would have been great if it turned into a couch under it!
Very interesting video. Maybe I missed it but how about a blurb on items like your batteries and other upgrades. Doesn't have to be an entire video just a throw in on your upgrades and how they are working.
Yes! A some good updates are in order ! Thanks Dan😊
Is it the same width as the travel trailer
U-RNext Truck U Need to Up toA1-Ton Dual Wheels to give u better weight distribution & Keep U out of trouble with D.O.T. So U Don’t get no over weight tickets.
Thanks for the Gilligan's Island radio announcer moment. My wife said, "I'll bet she's pregnant" and you immediately answered, "No I'm not pregnant." 🤣
🤣 Yes! Thanks!
We are about to do an east coast adventure. Do you have suggestions of state parks to stay at? Places to see?
We like to hug the coast and hit up all the big cites like Savannah, Charleston, the Outer Banks, Boston, Cape code, Philly, NYC, Maine..etc. If you go back a couple videos to the " Whats Next" video the comments is full of great suggestions to visit and stay!
I know what the news is all ready You guys are going into another travel trailer
Florida is the RV capital of the world You guys must have saw something really nice
Florida is the RV capital for sure! 😊
Nice size rig. For us 32 is max for 5th wheel… those 38++ rigs are just too much. Great choice. So you went from a van. To 26…now 33…your next one will be a 3 bedroom 2 bath condo..😂
That is funny, just when you said you had more news.. I started wondering if... and then you said no you're not pregnant. Anyway nice comparison to the TT.
I'd also love for them to start a family 😢
I've always like 5th wheels or goose neck they pull and follow better for me and if you have a tung trailer that heavy your truck looks like it's heading to the moon
We have a 30 foot 5th wheel
How many times have you walked into the sink/Island? I bet your black and blue from walking into the Island.
I think you need to put it on scale because a 33 ft 5th wheel is not 16800 lb.Only Luxe,New Horizons or DRV are so heavy.And if it is so heavy you over load the rear axle of the truck.
Can you comment on overflow parking at RV parks? We’re thinking about bringing a small chaser car with a motorcycle trailer. Overall pretty short but obviously would never fit in the same spot as the truck and 30’ trailer. As long as we’re perfectly fine walking a long distance is there typically always a (free?) place to put a small car and motorcycle trailer away from your site?
Yes, typically there is free overflow parking at most all rv parks and campgrounds. Some is close...others might be a little walk. State parks are typically at the beginning, but every park is different. But if you have a trailer behind a second vehicle that might be tough at some places. Normally you're good with your RV and 2 vehicles included with your nightly stay. Or a motorhome, small cargo trailer, and 1 vehicle...
@@IreneIronTravels thank you for confirming this. Our motorcycle trailer is small and stands on end so I think that will give us options where we can put the motorcycle next to the RV on the site, then stand the trailer on end vertically behind the car in overflow. Those together are still not as long as a truck so would just need one parking space.
Maintenance? Trailer cost and time cleaning lubing seals etc Truck ?def, oil ,fuel filter, tires,tranny, difs, make a video pls
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Ground clearance is gone. Top heavy as well.
I noticed your travel trailer was made by Outdoors RV Mfg. What was your experience with that trailer other than not being a 5th wheel setup.... I understand that Outdoors RV makes high quality units.
ORV makes a great trailer and we really liked the quality of the unit. We dint care for the darker color scheme and carpet though.... But solidly built!
Are you still happy with Allaince? I'm looking at an Avenue model. What is the difference beetween Paradigm and Avenue do ya know?
Yes, we really love the Alliance. We've had a few smaller warranty issues that have been a pain in the but, but overall we are happy. The Avenues are lighter weight, shorter height, and don't have as many features as the Paradigm.
I just want to say I really enjoy your videos, and I have a question going from the outdoors RV travel trailer to The Alliance fifth wheel are you able to fill your fresh water tanks in the alliance and travel a few hundred miles to a boondocking site like you could with your Outdoors RV or do you have to wait until you're just a few miles away from your site before you fill your freshwater tank, I've noticed a lot of RV manufacturers tell you not to run down the road with your freshwater tank filled but I also know that is not a problem in an outdoors or Northwood RV, I was just wondering your thoughts and whether or not you can do that in your alliance fifth wheel.
Hello, and thanks for watching! Alliance reinforces their fresh water tank with welded steel straps. They don't tell people to drive around with a 100 gallons of fresh water if they don't have to, but they understand that you have to sometimes if your dry camping or boondocking. With that said, we have driven many 100's of miles with full water. No problems for us so far.
Thank you so much for your reply, that's what I was hoping you'd say. GOD BLESS AND SAFE TRAVELS
How's the ceramic coating holding up on the truck?
👍 That MAC ceramic coating is amazing!
I know you prefer the roof top tent 😂😂😂
😂😂⛺️Yes! We should have compared that too! 😂
I bought a roof top tent for the roof of my F250 and have an overland rack on the bed for everything else. I have yet to go camping with it. But I know for a fact if I had to live in it I might MURDER SOMEONE 😂😂😂😂😂
@@bigreds9188 I say put a rooftop tent on top of the fifth wheel. Looooong ladder climb though! :-D
Is the 5th wheel more stable on the highway? Less swaying when semi's pass you?
Yes!
Do you have to unhitch while boondocking?
You don't have to, but you can if you want to. We usually did so we could drive our truck around. 👍
Was your 26' the model or bumper to ball? We just went from a 26' trailer (32'4" spare tire on bumper to ball) to a 29.5 5er (34' overall). so barely 2feet longer
Yes 26' overall. The box/floor plan was about 22''.
I wish sprinter vans were just a little bit bigger! Six inches wider!
That would be awesome if they were!
You mentioned the black tank on the 22’ TT would last about one week. How long would the gray tank last? And how many showers would that be? We are considering buying the 22FQS. Thanks.
We could go about 7-10 days total on all the tanks. But that is being very conservative with the gray water. That might be 4-6 really quick showers and using paper plates, etc. If you do regular washing of dishes and showers it could fill up really quickly!
@@IreneIronTravels "That might be 4-6 really quick showers and using paper plates". How do you use paper plates in the shower? That's one serious boondocking hack. 😏
Be cautious of your tanks. Most are not designed to be hauled full. Especially rough roads.