Whatever Happened To Big Numbers?

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  • čas přidán 10. 06. 2024
  • In 1990 Alan Moore and Bill Sienkiewicz teamed up to create Big Numbers, an ambitious twelve issue series. After two issues the series disappeared into obscurity. So...what happened?
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  • @StrangeBrainParts
    @StrangeBrainParts  Před 10 měsíci +1

    Support Strange Brain Parts on Patreon: www.patreon.com/StrangeBrainParts

  • @Thenameless1
    @Thenameless1 Před rokem +25

    >Comic named big numbers
    >Only released 2 issues
    Joke writes itself

  • @castironchaos
    @castironchaos Před rokem +30

    Worth mentioning: you showed one page from "Brought to Light," the graphic novel that had one 32-page story by Moore and Sienkiewicz that they did manage to complete. And it is indeed a masterpiece: it's a blistering political satire that tells the story of the CIA's involvement in Central America during the Cold War. Moore uses devastating black comedy to make the story terrifying, and he is matched by Sienkiewicz' artwork that makes the entire story a surreal nightmare. This may be why the story begins and ends with "This is not a dream."

    • @StrangeBrainParts
      @StrangeBrainParts  Před rokem +12

      I agree. It's a piece of work I've been meaning to cover for the Obscure Moore section. It's frightening and very well done.

  • @alfredolopez9642
    @alfredolopez9642 Před rokem +10

    Such a shame that this potential masterpiece never got completed.
    There's a lot to love in those first two issues. Just like you said, it could have been a revolutionary work of art. 😢

  • @ctbinary42
    @ctbinary42 Před rokem +14

    These two masters would have been insanely amazing

  • @scotmooney6543
    @scotmooney6543 Před rokem +10

    i really wanted Ashley Wood to take over the series. His style is similar to Sienkiewicz and proved he could hit a deadline too. oh what could have been.

  • @jacob_ian_decoursey_the_author

    The fact Tundra didn’t take Al Columbia to court after his stunt is honestly kinda baffling to me.

    • @StrangeBrainParts
      @StrangeBrainParts  Před rokem +8

      Ultimately, Tundra turned into a money pit. Which is still something that baffles me to this day. Possibly, the $9,200 they gave him was a small amount to Eastman? Maybe they took that loss as a learning lesson? I don't know.

    • @PhilipAMoore
      @PhilipAMoore Před rokem

      @@StrangeBrainParts they over paid people and undersold book so it blue up in there face,

  • @noneofyourbusiness4616
    @noneofyourbusiness4616 Před rokem +8

    I once had the brief opportunity to ask Moore about this, but he wasn't interested in talking about it, just saying that he harbored no ill will for anyone involved.

    • @Aaron-zt5ee
      @Aaron-zt5ee Před rokem +5

      Considering how much Moore holds a grudge, I suppose wishing no ill will is the best that can be done.

    • @noneofyourbusiness4616
      @noneofyourbusiness4616 Před rokem +3

      @@Aaron-zt5ee I also should have clarified those weren't his own choice of words, just my clumsy attempt to paraphrase a brief, hazily remembered conversation from the early '90s.

    • @Aaron-zt5ee
      @Aaron-zt5ee Před 11 měsíci +2

      @@noneofyourbusiness4616 It's cool. I was more commenting on Alan Moore's usual grumpiness.

  • @JamesHaney
    @JamesHaney Před rokem +10

    An excellent overview of a never-completed classic. I remember getting these off the stands, then waiting, waiting….
    Well Gaiman and Bucky’s MIRACLEMAN finally came back, so who knows? ⚪️🖖♾

  • @briarpatchlogic
    @briarpatchlogic Před rokem +8

    I've often wondered if this material would possibly see publication as a prose novel...it certainly was very strange.

    • @PhilipAMoore
      @PhilipAMoore Před rokem +3

      Alan has said he thought about but decided not to.

  • @amanzeihedioha
    @amanzeihedioha Před rokem +19

    I know its unrelated to the vid but Rest in Peace, John Romita Sr

    • @StrangeBrainParts
      @StrangeBrainParts  Před rokem +9

      Oh no...I've been so busy putting this together I wasn't aware he had passed. Aw, man. Rest In Peace, sir.

    • @DonTheMoron716
      @DonTheMoron716 Před rokem +7

      Damn, he was 93!

  • @fad23
    @fad23 Před rokem +5

    I bought each of those issues off the shelf and just waited forever and ever.

    • @StrangeBrainParts
      @StrangeBrainParts  Před rokem +4

      You and everyone else. :)

    • @fad23
      @fad23 Před rokem +2

      I mean, there are generations of readers since who never got it off the shelf.

  • @TechnicolorGhosts
    @TechnicolorGhosts Před rokem +18

    Would be very interesting to see Big Numbers completed in the modern day seeing as we're now 30+ years out from the economic and cultural time period that it's story is critiquing and is built around.

  • @ianr.navahuber2195
    @ianr.navahuber2195 Před rokem +3

    0:40 I might need to check that theme later
    1:34 Another video to check later: The watchmen video
    3:18 Another video to check later

    • @StrangeBrainParts
      @StrangeBrainParts  Před rokem +1

      I did embed those in the video when I uploaded it. Going to have to check to make sure they show up. Thanks for the reminder!

  • @immanuel7925
    @immanuel7925 Před rokem +3

    I genuinely wish that they finished this. This could have been a nail in the coffin for ideas on comics not being old enough. A grounded, novel esque tale of chaos and order through the lens of ordinary people.

    • @StrangeBrainParts
      @StrangeBrainParts  Před rokem +3

      Historically, it could have added to the prestige of the medium, in my opinion.

  • @nerdfatha
    @nerdfatha Před rokem +5

    You find the best stories to talk about!

  • @kylecarter1599
    @kylecarter1599 Před rokem +4

    Now I wanna find interviews with Mandlebrot talking about this book

  • @williamgeorge2580
    @williamgeorge2580 Před rokem +3

    Ah, comic's great "What If...?"

  • @leroypreston2973
    @leroypreston2973 Před rokem +7

    I found about Mandelbrot sets from a google search, it is simple enough to explain. In short, equation used to explain fractals (infinitely repeating patterns). The equation used is f(x)= x^2 + c. With x being any variable and c being a constant number.

    • @leroypreston2973
      @leroypreston2973 Před rokem +2

      I now wonder if you'll do a video analyzing 1963's plot. I know you mentioned the behind the scenes cobflict with that miniseries, what I'm suggesting is an analysis of the story

    • @StrangeBrainParts
      @StrangeBrainParts  Před rokem +3

      Hm. That never occurred to me. Mainly because it's incomplete, so I could only guess at where it was eventually going to land.

    • @leroypreston2973
      @leroypreston2973 Před rokem

      ​@@StrangeBrainParts perhaps to go over the plot of the 6 issues we have and then spectulate of the annual

  • @ryaneasterling1556
    @ryaneasterling1556 Před rokem +3

    Sad story, so unfortunate how many interesting projects, in comics and other mediums, due to the basically logistics, great video as always

  • @spacecrimebeatz
    @spacecrimebeatz Před 11 měsíci +1

    Never heard of this project thanks for bringing it to light for me!

  • @markfields9368
    @markfields9368 Před rokem +3

    That is an absolutely wonderful video, very in-depth. I cannot wait for more. Be safe and have a wonderful day.

  • @cliffwoodbury5319
    @cliffwoodbury5319 Před 7 měsíci +1

    I like the premise and wish they had finished. I remember reading a novel that took place in Virginia and it centered around a Civil War cemitary and a man trying to buy it to build a mall and housing developments on it

  • @zackeryparkerson
    @zackeryparkerson Před rokem +1

    I had no idea this even existed. I love how much I learn from this channel.

  • @daltonerd
    @daltonerd Před rokem +5

    Moore could turn the project into a prose book. It would be interesting to see the story in this format.

    • @paulbrown6464
      @paulbrown6464 Před 8 měsíci

      I doubt it, this project was started with the idea to see what they could do with the comics medium

  • @JimMahfood
    @JimMahfood Před rokem +6

    Love this series! Great job on the video, I appreciate your work

  • @derekbhinkle4624
    @derekbhinkle4624 Před rokem +1

    I've been waiting for this one! Great work sir! I have always been disappointed that this series was never completed. I always assumed that, after reading many of Moore's ultra detailed scripts that Sienkiewicz, who has always been more abstract, couldn't work in such a rigid manner once the shine of working on a "Alan Moore project" wore off.

  • @Tarkus337
    @Tarkus337 Před rokem +4

    Nice poetic ending

  • @tonyfrickey9062
    @tonyfrickey9062 Před rokem +3

    Sienkiewicz has said he would like to finish it but that's probably never going to happen...hes been working on a comic for the last 10 yrs..

  • @johnsonbenjamin887
    @johnsonbenjamin887 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Thanks for doing a video on this !

  • @DonTheMoron716
    @DonTheMoron716 Před rokem +3

    I have the Mandelbrot Set tattooed on my left elbow cause I’m freaky like that.

  • @patrickrobles1036
    @patrickrobles1036 Před 11 měsíci +1

    For some reason this hits me a bit harder than 1963…

  • @carloscrecelius9597
    @carloscrecelius9597 Před rokem +6

    I never knew that Moore and Sienkiewics had worked together. Another entertaining and informative video.

    • @StrangeBrainParts
      @StrangeBrainParts  Před rokem +3

      They worked together twice! Big Numbers and Shadow Play. And both are pretty awesome.

    • @carloscrecelius9597
      @carloscrecelius9597 Před rokem +2

      @@StrangeBrainParts with that talent pool, you'd think it couldn't be anything less than brilliant. Again, I'm in awe of your encyclopedic knowledge.

    • @StrangeBrainParts
      @StrangeBrainParts  Před rokem +2

      I agree! On a bad day, Moore and Sienkiewicz would still be an amazing thing to read.
      Don't be too in awe of my knowledge. It's backed up with a fair amount of research. :)

  • @TheBeird
    @TheBeird Před rokem +1

    Good stuff

  • @samwill7259
    @samwill7259 Před rokem +2

    I dunno man, I got into early high school, they started adding letters and greek into the math and I stopped paying attention...

  • @raiden_187
    @raiden_187 Před rokem +1

    This was so interesting. Amazing video

  • @thehmc
    @thehmc Před 11 měsíci +1

    To this day I hate Sienkiewicz's interior art, but I love his covers.

  • @sentryw4rd
    @sentryw4rd Před rokem +1

    Great overview!

  • @PhilipAMoore
    @PhilipAMoore Před rokem +1

    the editor of big numbers Paul Jinkens went on to write Hellblazer and Spiderman.

  • @AkiDave
    @AkiDave Před rokem +1

    Great video!

  • @themediumcheese
    @themediumcheese Před rokem +1

    Wake up babe new stranger brain video

  • @KingfisherTalkingPictures
    @KingfisherTalkingPictures Před 11 měsíci +3

    I spoke to a friend who was a student/disciple of Sienkiewicz, and who has been a comics artist with a similar style. I knew my friend had some connection to the project. Sienkiewicz approached my friend about possibly stepping in for future issues, and showed him Moore's scripts. Apparently the script for a 40 page comic was 400 pages long! My friend felt he couldn't work under those constraints, and didn't have the skill needed to do the job required. My guess is that coming off Watchmen, Moore was used to generating these monster scripts. (Entirely a supposition on my part.) I've gotten the impression that he now works with the artists more to not be so overriding. But again, I'm an outsider hearing rumors on Moore's process.

  • @troycruikshank1027
    @troycruikshank1027 Před rokem +1

    I would totally buy a finished book of this story. I feel like it leaving money on the table. If Gainman can finish Miracleman, then nothing is impossible.

  • @Tymbus
    @Tymbus Před 11 měsíci

    I seem to remember Ted McKeever was rumoured to be taking up the art duties on Big Numbers.

  • @TitularHeroine
    @TitularHeroine Před rokem

    I had issue one back in the day. Now and then I try to search up a transcript of the poem by the lead character ("Find me a dead cloud and a sharp piece of science..."); no luck. If I ever buy another copy it'll be for that. Thank you!

  • @MegaBunnyd
    @MegaBunnyd Před rokem +4

    honestly, given the time period, it's hard to not wonder if maybe the two of them were taking each other for granted
    I mean, this was both of them at the high of their popularity -they both had every reason to assume they'd get to work together again --perhaps even in or at the face of the mainstream.
    That they didn't "get to" finish this project is really only that they chose not to
    --both of them were at the top their game here, neither of them had anything to lose by finishing this.
    if eitheir of them actually cared about this more than a paycheck, this wouldn't even be an issue.
    point is, this wasn't a piece of art for either of them --as much as they both smack around at being artists, if this project had meant anything to them, it would have been finished decades back

  • @thespecial5169
    @thespecial5169 Před rokem +4

    Alan moore is the most screwed over creator. It amazing that power bombing dc executives has not added to his writting

    • @HeyImRosko
      @HeyImRosko Před rokem +2

      Its because he is a 100% idealistic hippie at heart. He believes in sharing things evenly and trusting his fellow man. Unfortunately, the world and humanity in general more often than not rewards such openness with negative results

    • @StrangeBrainParts
      @StrangeBrainParts  Před rokem +3

      I do agree. I believe he was trusting in his business dealings and believed that everyone was as transparent as himself. And their intentions leaned towards fairness. Unfortunately, that's why there are contracts...to ensure there's at least some level of fairness. Even then, it's no guarantee. Which is what Moore learned over and over again.

    • @radathecat
      @radathecat Před rokem +2

      I would put Bill Finger or Jack Kirby on top of that list.

  • @foxholecharlie2750
    @foxholecharlie2750 Před rokem +14

    Al Columbia is a name from a terrible 80's action movie

  • @zobop
    @zobop Před rokem +1

    Have both issues 😛

  • @jamilfrost6217
    @jamilfrost6217 Před rokem +3

    Huh this is one of Moore's work i haven't read yet. I'll probably check it out.

    • @StrangeBrainParts
      @StrangeBrainParts  Před rokem +1

      Be aware...it's all beginning with no ending.

    • @DonTheMoron716
      @DonTheMoron716 Před rokem +1

      @@StrangeBrainParts You ever see the Big Numbers chart? It’s insane!

    • @StrangeBrainParts
      @StrangeBrainParts  Před rokem

      I tried to find it to include it in this video, but I couldn't locate it! It appeared in one book, but I don't have that in my collection.

  • @wartscmort6199
    @wartscmort6199 Před rokem +1

    Until next time...

  • @javib2978
    @javib2978 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Alan Moore is a Neal Adams clone. Well, yes. Neal Adams and Dennis O' Neil influenced Frank Miller, Alan Moore, and Neil Gaiman.

  • @HeroJournalism
    @HeroJournalism Před 11 měsíci +3

    "it's too difficult for any artist" - just because Bill S had to back out and his replacement was a scam artist?

  • @afroscifizianzcomix7836
    @afroscifizianzcomix7836 Před 11 měsíci +1

    If Miracleman can be completed, this can be too. I can hope and dream.

    • @Thenameless1
      @Thenameless1 Před 11 měsíci

      Is it not currently in the progress of being completed?

    • @afroscifizianzcomix7836
      @afroscifizianzcomix7836 Před 11 měsíci

      @@Thenameless1 I don't think so. Alan Moore is a novelist now. I think he wants to put comic books behind him.

    • @Thenameless1
      @Thenameless1 Před 11 měsíci

      @@afroscifizianzcomix7836 I meant the Neil Gaiman saga of it, I thought Alan Moore said his run on it was complete.

    • @afroscifizianzcomix7836
      @afroscifizianzcomix7836 Před 11 měsíci

      @Thenameless1 oh. I see. 👍 According to Neil Gaiman the writing has been completed but the issues are coming out very slowly. Miracleman the Silver Age #6 will be out in August.

  • @yayoeliasgiron4892
    @yayoeliasgiron4892 Před 3 měsíci

    I know that Benoît Mandelbrot is a very important and remarkable scientist, but if THAT was the actual response to Moore putting his name for the title of the series... if I was Alan Moore, I wouldn't have changed the title.
    It may seem that I might be elevating the comic book medium too much, but the man (at least in the Eddie Campbell book) seemed to have a prejudice against it that is not founded in any way.

  • @kenlieck7756
    @kenlieck7756 Před rokem

    I'll give you five big letters that should prove to Moore or anyone else that there's
    always gonna be somebody out there cable of completing any project: *SDOAR!*

  • @yesthatjake5601
    @yesthatjake5601 Před rokem

    I still have my faded, somewhat crusty single issues that I bought off the rack. I saved nearly nothing else.

  • @PhilipAMoore
    @PhilipAMoore Před rokem

    for the record is you want to know how the story would have played out Moore has multiple time published a complete draft from start to finish of big numbers

  • @rickray1202
    @rickray1202 Před rokem

    If Al Columbia wasn’t such a mercurial individual and produced more comics he easily could have been one of the greatest cartoonists of all time.

    • @JRussellDay
      @JRussellDay Před 9 měsíci

      But who would work with him after this stunt?

  • @billvolk4236
    @billvolk4236 Před rokem +4

    Shout-out to Benoit Mandelbrot for getting skeezed out by Alan Moore way ahead of the population at large.
    Also, I'm mildly amused how Moore failed to understand that the numbers in the Mandelbrot set are not big at all, since every one of them has an absolute value of less than 2.

  • @IsiahTomas
    @IsiahTomas Před rokem +3

    " Sin' ka' weh' vitch' ". Got it.
    Now onto Fabian N.

  • @markodjuric4282
    @markodjuric4282 Před rokem +4

    Did Al Columbia even exist?

  • @SabinStargem
    @SabinStargem Před rokem +4

    I sincerely hope that Columbia's career was utterly canned after his stunt.

    • @DonTheMoron716
      @DonTheMoron716 Před rokem +7

      An excellent artist who never fulfilled his talent.

    • @noneofyourbusiness4616
      @noneofyourbusiness4616 Před rokem +4

      It wasn't. I'm not a big fan, but if you go to his Wikipedia page, he's gotten a lot of praise for his (somewhat sporadic) work since then. The limitations on his career seem to stem from his own personal interest in or ability to produce rather than any sort of stigma as a result of this incident.

    • @HeyImRosko
      @HeyImRosko Před rokem +1

      Personally, this video is the first I've even heard of him, and I've been into comics (esp Moore) for 30+ years, so I'd reckon he's been suitably comeuppanced.

    • @StrangeBrainParts
      @StrangeBrainParts  Před rokem +1

      To the best of my knowledge, his comic work has been sporadic. But I do believe he mainly does fine illustration.

  • @residentgrigo4701
    @residentgrigo4701 Před rokem +1

    I never liked this one. Neither the writing nor art stood out as anything great and there is no forward momentum despite 1/4 of the story being finished so no loss here.

  • @markb.265
    @markb.265 Před rokem +1

    Um. Muth rhymes with Truth.