Kubo Reveals NEW DETAILS on Human Sajin, YAMA & UNOHANA'S PAST TEASE + More! | Klub Outside Q&A
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- In this episode of the Klub Outside Q&A Round-up, we're looking at Kubo's Original Gotei 13 tease (maybe the Hell Arc?), Komamura's human form, and more!
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We're back today with another instalment in our Klub Outside Q&A Round-up series, this time looking at a...very interesting 'tease' on Kubo's part regarding Yamamoto and Unohana, as well as some more concrete answers regarding Komamura's human transformation, Kukaku's relationship with Ichigo, and more!
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This is a pretty strong episode for the Q&A, so let me know which of the insights is your favourite! Enjoy!
Chapters:
Intro - 00:00
Yamamoto & Unohana's First Meeting - 01:32
Human Komamura - 10:19
Kukaku & Ichigo's Connection - 19:19
Loly & Menoly's Masks - 23:33
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Which topic did you find the most interesting? Will we see the first meeting between Yamamoto and Unohana? Does Komamura's human transformation make a little more sense now? Let me know your thoughts!
The whole thing was entertaining as always tommo 🎉
It makes sense, but it's still a huge disappointment, being he didn't even get to be in the presence of Juha Bach, let alone avenge his CC.
When you making a prediction vid about the Bleach 20th anniversary announcements?
I def think he’ll draw this as part of the continuation of the Hell Arc, hopefully!
I’m hoping that the hell arc versions of Yamamoto, Unohana and the rest of the captains are portrayed in their primes when they appear from hell.
Kubo saying he'll draw the meeting between Yamaoto and Unohana tells me the next chapter of the hell arc is still possible and waiting to happen.
Yeah after him saying that; I definitely see it happening, as Yamamoto making Unohana kneel before his great power.
I definitely think it'll happen after the blood war anime
The hell arc is definitely happening. There is no reason for anyone to even think it's not. Please remember, us old bleach fans waited 15 years. So this is just part of kubos process.
Kubo said let him cook. And Kubo has never let us down.
Let him cook.
Patience is a virtue
Kubo originally wanted to put Unohana’s backstory in TYBW, but he said it would lead out of the main point.
Kukaku is a character that ABSOLUTELY deserves more spotlight.
She’s practically forgotten after her brief role in the Soul Society arc. Plus, her design is top tier and needs to be seen more.
I really am interested in seeing more of her abilities. Just how powerful is she considering she’s part of the shiba clan?
more like TOP HEAVY! kukukukukuku . 😎
I remember those Kukaku being former Royal Guard theory. Even one of the official artbooks put some tease around it putting the Oken info around Kukaku pages. Such a troll.
Lol considering your profile picture we all know why you like her design 😂😂
She is so Meh.
So after the fight with Bambitta, if Sajin had not start focusing on going after Ywach for revenge and instead more on protecting soul society, he probably could've solod 2/3 of the quincy army including a few sternrittars. Man what waste, he probably could've been a big help against Gerald too.
Kinda just hoping Mayuri uses yammy against gerald
@@Bl4ckV3ins Ngl that would be kinda cool. I mean, seeing Yami at all would be something considering it's really weird he is basically the last remaining Espada other than Grimmjow and Halibel and we don't have any info. Kubo could've just kill him there but instead he is lost doing feck nothing with a doggo lol
Honestly that would have too Convenient and Plot Armoury
Like this lower weaker side character just so happens to have this power that allows him to solo most the enemy
@@RandomGuy-ci9nt really, but his Bankai is that strong but him getting defeated so easily was very weird
Given who unohana was in the past I bet her and Yamamoto fought and he got impressed by her skills that way to recruit her in to the gotei 13
That seems very likely
Yea it would be cool. Like if they fought and ended up in a stalemate or some wager that if she lost, she'd join Yamaji.
@@dariusd2003now that sounds cool
I just realized, it wouldn’t just be the Original Gotei 13, but every other dead Captain since.
Lord knows how many are down there.
Komamura's whole deal is very Buddhist in thought. There's a term in Buddhism/Hinduism, "Ahmisa", which adheres to a principle of nonviolence toward any living being. The sole exception being self-defense or to save the lives of others. Revenge is NOT considered a noble exception. This also ties into the whole "Beast Race/Realm" aspect of Komamura's story: in Buddhism, the Beast Realm is when the soul is reincarnated as an animal in the next life due to bad karma, and is considered one of the "Hells" one can go to when you die. Accumulating sin in one's heart by desiring violence is one of the ways one can fall into those "hells". Granted, Kubo took a lot of liberties with all this (Sajin doesn't literally "die", but "leaves his life behind", for example) but that's the overall theme.
Is Sajin still intelligent/sapient, or has he been reduced to just being a beast? I'm guessing the former, because his Grandfather maintains intelligence.
Would it be possible for Sajin to return to his former form of his karma improved enough, perhaps?
Sajin is one of my favourite Captains, and I really feel he was done slightly dirty with the Humanization Technique - it didn't really achieve a whole lot for how much it cost him.
@@dougla517 Don't know if he can return to human form. His heart, after all, was destroyed. I'm sure there's something symbolic in that, but only Kubo can say for sure.
That was my take on it as well. His fight against Bambietta was a fight to protect his comrades, even as he was staking his life to avenge Yamamoto, but once she was defeated, revenge once again dominated his heart. Hence, the curse reactivated. The whole thing was a poison pill from the start.
This is largely the conclusions I've come to regarding Komamura as well, but it's even darker than that from what I understand. In some sects of Buddhism, being human is a mere one or two steps below Nirvana and true enlightenment, and all manner of beasts are lesser because they lack some inherent "humanity" that humans alone posses. Because all beings aspire to Nirvana, all beings must therefore become human before making that final climb to enlightnement. That's what Komamura's heart represents in his whole tragic arc. It's not literally his heart, contrary to how it may look (because Soul Society is the afterlife remember, everyone's bodies reflect the state of their soul), but rather the budding core of humanity that he earned for himself in distancing himself from the Beast Clan in the first place.
Theoretically, there's nothing stopping Komamura from regrowing the humanity he sacrificed, but it would take time. Like thousands of years time. Meanwhile his dear grandad gets to sit on the side and gorge himself on scraps stolen from people like him. Lovely man.
CFYOW explains Isshin's sadness as knowing Ichigo is to be the next Spirit King. He and several others are privy to this and don't like it for obvious reasons, with even Ryuken describing himself as a better father than Isshin in that we can infer that he'd fight tooth and nail to save his son from such a fate instead of passively allowing it.
To be or could have been?
@@RandomGuy-ci9nt He could have been. Ichigo was strong enough so he could be put in the SK's place as needed.
Also just noting this, Soul King=/=Original Sin which some people think for some reason.
@@nahte123456 if the dismemberment of the soul king at the hands of the nobles isn't the original sin then what is
@@SkeetWeet4368 That IS the Original Sin, it just has nothing to do with being the Soul King. The SK was already the SK when the nobles thought "he's so strong, what if he takes our power?" and attacked him, which multiple characters have mentioned he COULD have stopped but didn't.
If Ichigo did become SK he could still just...live in the castle, walk around, have a family. He just would have to stay in the castle so no one attacks him and keep the worlds in order, the Original Sin has literally nothing to do with being the SK, that's why it's a "sin", the nobles were just being horrible and selfish.
@@nahte123456 Ichigo could just live in the Royal Palace, yes. But Ichibei wouldn't let that fly and all but says as much. Too risky to let the linchpin have free will and shit.
For Komamura, I think the thing is that Komamura had to remain steady and resolved the entire time, keep his purpose in his mind of protecting soul society and protecting the things Yamamoto wanted to protect, but after his battle with Bambietta it wore him down enough that those emotions got muddled and baser, the purpose just became an excuse for his hatred rather than his hatred fueling his purpose. A classic bleach "The king and the horse" or "The flesh and the bones" where both work together but one rules the other.
I'd love to see an og 13 spin off
It would be so disappointing if they don’t. I feel like manga creators leave a lot on the table in terms of what they could do with their universes.
@@jaioncebollero1168 I think it's burnout. They do these series weekly and end up totally exhausted. At least Kubo is now in a position where he has time to rest and do it more pleasure.
I think a young Yamaji recruiting the notorious criminal Yachiru Unohana to the first generation Gotei 13 would be a good way to show her full, prime strength, as I could imagine a scenario where Unohana only agrees to join Yamaji's little murder gang if he defeats her in combat (because of course that's what happened).
The two would have a fierce battle of Zanjutsu, with Yamaji gaining respect for her skill with the blade actually surpassing his own via her countless sword styles. Unohana would eventually pull out her Bankai Minazuki and fiercely clash against his Ryujin Jakka, though I think she would eventually be bested and spared by the Head Captain. Perhaps due to her healing it turned into a battle of attrition she was very slowly loosing, and thus she willingly conceded?
She might well have even been the one who gave Yamaji the very first scar across his forehead, with Choujiro later creating the second. That could also be why he was so impressed by her.
I really like this idea and hope we get something similar to it.
Unohana giving Yamamoto his first scar makes too much sense! That’s gotta be where he got it from, cause who else would be able to? Maybe it’s the other way around and she wanted to join him but he wouldn’t let her until she landed a strike on him. Either way, it’s bound to be a cool story.
@@iReiGNxx no but the other scars by her first is
@@BlackT-ff6wr Well…I don’t mean his literal first scar, just the first one on his head
I have a feeling it would be around the Hell Arc where Kubo will give more on how Yamamoto and Unohana met.
Hopefully we get a chapter this year because it’s been 3 years now.
@earlvaughan-williams3835 defo not this year. Probably won't get anything until 2026 after the anime finishes
15:00 When Komamura human form was revealed you can see Animal Traits already showing (Wolf Ears, fur etc etc)
With kubos answer I think it's safe to say he was already turning into a wolf but halted the transformation when his intentions shifted to "Protecting Shinji" (A Noble Cause).
After refocusing on his Vengeance the turning into a wolf was completed.
The purpose was to get more power. We saw how Komamura’s grandfather egging him on while licking the heart.
I think you're right about hitsuguya and ragiku realized ichigo was related to issuing when ichigo first used banzai against byakyuya it cut to hitsuguya and rangiku shocked like they sensed a familiar energy
Yamamoto and Unohana literally embodied the term
" I'll see you in hell again"
I always wanted to know if the wolfman clan's sin is tied to the original sin
I do recall, during the Unohana vs. Zaraki fight, Kubo revealed he had Unohana's entire backstory already written even where she grew up and why she picked up the sword. Although he thought it wouldn't work to fit it in the anime.
There's a chance we might get this too then!
Was this a tweet, or an interview?
omg i vaguely remember this too, but cant recall where he said it
I think it was at jump festa 2023. Not the recent one but the one after cour 1 ended
That’s an excuse for him to be lazy and not give us some well deserved details about characters that he rushed or was force to rush to finish the story
Would love a confirmation we are getting the hell arc
This discussion about the notion that Hitsugaya and Matsumoto could have realized that Ichigo was related to Isshin from his spiritual pressure reminded me of a scene aired in the anime. When we see Ichigo going bankai for the very first time (a truly epic moment!) against Byakuya, we see a shot of Hitsugaya and Matsumoto being absolutely shocked by it. I always thought that this was done to showcase how powerful Ichigo was, but now I realize that the reason those two specific people were shown to us out of all the others was because Ichigo going bankai made them realize that he was in fact related to their former captain. Another instance of awesome foreshadowing by Kubo!
He didn't want to kill Yhwach to save the day, he was asking purely on hatred and a desire to avenge the man he admired. He was motivated by bloodlust and anger, not justice.
I wish Kubo gave Unohana more backstory What made her start on her redemption arc and become a healer. I gotta know
We know what started her redemption arc. It was her guilt for crippling Zaraki's potential.
We kinda know
@@jackwitt7430 doesn’t explain why she would be a healer and how she transformed from murdererous to kind hearted
@@cian239 She was already a healer. She learned how to heal so that she could extend her fights.
I want to say Kukkaku felt a portion of ichigo's reiatsu that was subtle but damning. Like, "Oh it's the way he lifts his chop sticks, that's gotta be Uncle Isshin" whereas Ganju seems like he'd be less occupied noticing something like that or just put the thought away because it would be ridiculous. The Captains you could maybe argue simply didn't know him like his family. A stretch, but plausible. Toshiro and Matsumoto seem like they would be close enough to notice the ryoka feels vaguely like their former captain.
I think Sajin's curse activated because he targeted Ywach. Sajin accepted the curse to aid the Gotei in the next round iirc. When he fought Bambi, it wasn't to get revenge for Shinji but to help him. When he targeted Ywach, revenge was his only focus. If he would have continued helping the people around him, I think the curse would've activated more slowly. It would've been great to see him battling internally with his hatred and trying to fight off the curse jut succumbing to it as they approached the SK's palace
Kubo is definitely building up the hype for the Hell arc with a lot his answers. Would be really cool to see the first meeting between Yamamoto and Unohana!
So, here's my take on the Humanization Technique.
You're not wrong in saying all the shinigami would have wanted Yhwach dead, cause it's a war. But with Komamura specifically, I think it comes down to the fact that when he went to march on Silbern, it stopped becoming about winning a war, or protecting Soul Society, and his entire purpose was killing Yhwach *purely* for the sake of revenge.
The overall character arc of Loly going from bullying Inoue, to "risking her life to save Inoue" (You could argue that she was doing that for herself... but I don't think so it just was the most dramatic Tsundere move ever), and then in the TYBW being saved by Inoue once again, makes me want to see her have like a slice of life type of re encounter with Inoue in the world of the living where she tries to make up for her earlier behavior but still gets all tsundere about it. But could be funny if Ichigo still got bad blood with them too, idk seems like a unexplored little side plot that for such a small side character it got a lot of screen time even coming back at the last arc.
I think Yamamoto and Unohana met like Zaraki and Ikkaku, where Unohana on her quest for power and the title of strongest, sought out Genryusai and challenged him, he beat her up and chose to spare her because he was impressed by her potential.
Instead of killing her, he used her goal to become a strongest to tie her down by making her an offer, claiming to be the strongest shinigami there is and if she follows him, she is free to challenge him whenever she thinks she’s strong enough but in the meantime she would work for him.
And as time passed, they became more like family and that’s what we get.
That’s my take from the way they are portrayed by Kubo in the manga.
Edit: now that I’m reading this, I think that’s Ace and Whitebeard’s dynamic as well 😂
He beat her up is crazy. Unohana said no one but zaraki is stronger than her. U have a wild imagination
@@yngsamsungit may just be in a specific area like pure strength or fighting abilities because we know there are several shinigamis like the royal guard who are stronger including Genryusai. I don't see anything she has that can counter his bankai. Just like even Kenpachi being the "strongest" doesn't mean he'd curb stomp all captains of the entire gotei 13.
@@dariusd2003 zaraki is already known as the strongest captain. And unohana said I am stronger than anybody. Meaning anyone she fights she is stronger than keyword anyone. She stopped fighting because no one could kill her.
In physical strength and swordsmanship Unohana trumps Yama but in shikai/bankai, Yama trumps her. Yama's body is full of scars yet Unohana has only ever been wounded once according to her own words(ch.523 pg.17). So I think it's more than safe to say she'd win in the sword skills department.
@@kanoreese1253 I disagree, Yamamoto is physically superior, maybe she's a more proficient Zanjutsu master, sure but that's it.
Also, from what we've seen from Yamamoto in "fights", he almost always just stands there and takes whatever damage his opponent sends his way so the scars don't mean anything bro.
He stood there and allowed Driscoll to strike him with lightning, he did the same with young Chojiro, did a similar thing against both Shunsui and Ukitake, same with base Aizen, Ayon, Wonderweiss and so on. The one time Yamamoto actually went on the offensive was against Yhwach, and even then, he only used Bankai just to spite him and display the difference in their power... He was being emotional about Chojiro's death, he clearly was already stronger even in base... he perception blitzed Loyd and rescued Zaraki even before Loyd could realize what was happening, he had enough speed to decapitate him at any point he wanted.
He never evades or even bothers to block, hence all those scars on his body and the lore behind his name is a pun on how his scars are shaped based on how many scars he has, he eventually settled for Genryusai officially from Eijisai, Juujisai to Genryusai to honour Sasakibe. Meaning, it was so "normal" for him to get scars that other Shinigami started giving him nicknames based on the scars.
Unohana on the other hand fights with no openings, even her bankai is a reflection of that where blades of blood are omnidirectionally shielding her from any attacks.
Yamamoto's bankai on the other hand just compliments his challenging nature, if you're powerful enough to reach him, go right ahead, as his reiatsu cloaks him in at least 15million degrees of heat. So when you do touch him, you know he ALLOWED you to do so, making all those scars trophies of sorts in a twisted way.
It's just a difference in choice of fighting style, not a measure of their skill or strength.
If anything, the fact that Yamamoto is still alive after receiving all those scars (supposedly some from Unohana) proves my point... from the Chojiro fight, he just stands there in base with openings and allows him to attack him with his best hit in Bankai, assuming he did the same with Unohana, then yeah it makes sense that the scars on his body are bigger than Chojiro's because she's stronger but it also means that, had he even released his shikai or even tried to fight back or defend, her best attack wouldn't even have nicked him... Yes, she has no scars, but it simply means Yamamoto never actually fought back (assuming they fought), because we know that he literally takes souls whenever he fights seriously, she would have at least some burn scars on her body if they truly fought.
They aren't comparable in power, maybe skill but not physical strength, reiatsu or anything otherwise.
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Kubo does say "selfish" instead of "good" or "bad" when describing how the curse works. I don't think the objective of killing Yhwahc in and of it self is what activated the curse, I believe wanting to kill Yhwach for the purpose of satisfying his blood lust is, and if Komomura did it purely out of a sense of duty or protecting others he wouldn't have transformed. That's why the moment he was no longer protecting people from Bambietta he transformed. For why he didn't immediately transform into a dog after doing the curse when apparently having selfish motivations, I believe he must have resolved himself to do it as a duty after learning of the cost of the curse since his selfish comments were before he knew what was at risk and what he would have to do, but lost that resolve to his anger after his battle with Bambietta.
I know it’ll never happen, but I’d love to see how Isane and Unahona first met. They couldn’t be more opposite deep down, so I’m sure their dynamic early on was interesting.
Despite Isane's normally meek demeanor, there are times when a fiercer side is hinted at. She was one of the lieutenants who charged at Ichigo on Sokyoku Hill, she wanted to attack Aizen as he was leaving only to be restrained by Unohana, and she also wanted to fight the Exequias after arriving in Hueco Mundo, only to once again be held back by her captain. This leads me to think that Isane does have a fighter in her buried underneath her shy, self-conscious exterior, and Unohana was able to pick up on this.
@@DoctorWortspieler That’s what I always thought too.
I still like how sajin walked the same path as tousen but didnt realize it until it was too late
Considering that Yamamoto and Unohana are the only ones left of the original Gotei 13, it is possible that the unity of the original 13 lasted only for so long as they had a common enemy to fight (Lichtreich Quincy). My theory is that, after the war ended, at least some of them were power-hungry and cutthroat enough to challenge Yamamoto's rule and were thusly killed by him. Unohana survived due to her being the master swordswoman Kenpachi and/or making a deal with Yamamoto.🤔
I figured it was central 46 that put the rest down. To weaken Yammamoto. My thoughts were central 46 didn't seem to care for thr og team, just used them. He was a thug, but Yammamoto had integrity. Which makes sense why shihoin and kuchki liked him, but do did commoners. The government was pretty aggressive in making sure more Yammas weren't made, and so instead of the og gotei getting reincarnated, for thanks for them Saving the day, they go to hell. But just my thoughts.
@@charminglady2011 lol, had to cap his population
@@charminglady2011Central 46 doesn't seem to be strong at all they were all killed by Aizen.
True, but they have orders from the royal realm right? @@Timmy-mi2ef
While it doesn’t add a TON to the story, it’s nice knowing that Kukaku did everything to help Ichigo knowing he was her younger relative. (She must’ve guessed how they were related) She was making sure her nephew wasn’t going into danger without at least passing on something to him. It’s things like that that make revisiting the series more enjoyable with new context.
In Ganju's defense:
Ganju is a bit of a doofus.
Oooo. I would definitely dig an arc or so delving into the old Soul Society history. Kubo not wanting to give it away because he could draw it gets my hopes up more than it should.
Kukaku treated Ichigo like her little brother so I guess it adds up
It seems like she might be keeping some huge information from Ganju again tho lol
Just the idea of the hell arc got me so hyped
Ukitake immediately notices that Ichigo looks exactly like Kaien and Byakuya tells him they only resemble each other and nothing more. So Byakuya clearly doesn't realize who Ichigo actually is despite being present in a meeting with Isshin. So maybe only people very close to Isshin who would be used to his reiatsu, like family and direct subordinates, noticed.
I think they byakuya was referring kain due to looks.
Interesting theory, I haven’t seen anything later than the thousand year blood war arc. But imagine mayuri figures it out as he tends to and helps him develop the humanization technique.
I think with Komamura, it's about personal satisfaction, he must have felt satisfied in killing the enemy that humiliated him personally instead of feeling satisfied in killing an enemy that humiliated the Gotei. the selfish satisfaction fulfilled the curse. I think.
For me, I thought that his battle with Bambietta was a temporary distraction from his overwhelming desire for revenge, but when he defeated her, his renewed focus on taking down Ywach activated the curse.
Yeah, I thought he wanted to kill Yhwach out of revenge for Yamamoto and not strictly to protect Soul Society
I wonder if during the fight with Bambietta, Komamura indulged in a bit of selfish revenge against her which triggered the curse? Nobody's ever mentioned that as a possibility but I think it's reasonable given Kubo's subtle methods of storytelling that that's the most logical conclusion. He used his powers selfishly defeating someone he had a grudge against and as such he succumbed to the curse.
I think him beating Bambi was the red flag for the technique. Kinda like double dipping or going overboard. If he wanted to stop yuga, he should've done so and aimed only for that. But he took on more than he should have. Pretty interesting/morally entangled stuff
I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again, I am SO HERE for a Bleach prequel series focusing on the original Gotei 13. My head canon for this is to be really dark and gory with some political intrigue mixed in. I’d honestly take that over a hell arc.
I mean, you can have both.
if we have learned anything, its that mangakas cannot write sequel series at all,without destroying the legacy of the main characters. ie by making them weak or irrelevant or dumb or "out of practice". prequel series would be great.
@@jadenwilliams4807 that would be the idea situation but it is taking so long to get the hell arc. I can see it being a part of the hell arc but I’d really prefer Kubo take his time with it versus throwing it into an already crowded story arc.
@@blacklikethesun my issue with some anime sequels is that they basically just do the same thing over again but with the previous protagonist’s kid or relative. That is OK but I prefer when they use it to add onto the world building, lore or add new themes that weren’t previously explored.
@@MIZZ.BLKNRD yeah
I would like to see Yama's fight with Unohana. I can see Unohana beating Yama in sword skills and physical strength but losing when he brings out his shikai/bankai. I believe there's enough evidence to suggest that Uno is a much better sword fighter than Yama by far.
Well, Yamamoto is well know for have the strongest bankai and the Kenpachi's for being the strongest fighters, my theory is that Unohana is the one who cause the first scar in Yamamoto's head.
I think it's because, instead of the inner dialogue being for "US" it turned into for "ME" of that makes sense. He wanted revenge for Yamamoto and soul society, but it slowly went from that to I want revenge for what he did
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It's possible the curse gets stronger the closer one gets and more one does towards achieving the "purpose" (killing Yhwach) of the technique, or possibly that you have to perform enough actions with ill intent trying to achieve the purpose before the curse "decides" you've been ill intentioned enough.
In other words, the more things Komamura did and the more he exerted himself trying to get to Yhwach while caring more about getting revenge than doing it for the betterment of the world, the more the curse activates until he's been selfish "enough" to transform. If he'd truly wanted to defeat Yhwach for the sake of the world rather than for the sake of revenge for Yamamoto, he may not have ever transformed into a beast at all, but he couldn't banish that feeling in the end.
I think since he stopped to aid Shinji and Momo, Komamura's curse halted.
Only when he went back to his revenge mentality, it may have sped up the curse.
I think the fact that sajin's elder was very arrogant when he was asking to learn the technique makes me think he was more than aware that he was teaching it to him for selfish reasons so that it wasn't going to work at least not for long
Hell Arc:
Ichibei: Kenpachi, Unohana is in Hell.
Kenpachi: "How do i get there?"
Yama: (draws his zanpakuto)
Unohana: (Laughs like a maniac waiting to face the heat)
I'm going to guess Loly and Melony had their mask procedure done by the Arrancar with tentacles that Ishida fights once he, Chad and Ichigo arrive in Hueco Mundo. I say this because in Volume 3, we see that same Arrancar tearing off Grand Fisher's mask and make him into a "natural-born" Arrancar, one that was born without the aid of the Hogyoku.
Since that procedure seemed quite matter of fact to the tentacle Arrancar, I'm going to guess that cosmetic procedures must not be that rare. Perhaps Aporro even requested that his mask be made into glasses, to fit his past life's scientific roots.
I actually really love this explanation for human Sajin.
Sajin wants revenge on the Quincy king to avenge a friend and a mentor… not to just protect the soul society. He might have been selfless in protecting his allies, but after that his intentions were angry and purely personal
Imagine Yamamoto Idea of the original gote 13 His plan probably was to just unite a bunch of criminals under his wing I mean that kind of is what it is but They were defenders and name only.
Maybe he turned into a dog because the purpose of the transformation was to kill the quincy king but killing/defeating bambi wasnt the purpose so that triggered it
with sajin, i think perhaps the curse was likely treading a fine line because on one had, killing yhwach would be to protect the soul society and by extension the world of the living and hueco mundo, on the other his surrogate father was murdered by the same man. his motives would easily slip to selfish vengeance from his loyal duty to soul society. I think if the curse is a question of the afflicteds reason or desire then by the time he turned to save shinji the curse had decided since he clearly wanted to go straight for the head ignoring the lower enemies along the way, even leaving his Allies to fight a battle he would've won quick enough. With the removal of the heart it makes sense to me with my thought as its almost as though the curse is stripped of the emotions that brought you here, are your motives/desires pure or are you selfish throughout, the latter leading to the transformation
I need that OG Gotei 13 flashback!
I always love to hear about Arrancar. I assume with the masks that it happened in one of two ways with some implications depending.
1) They found each other before becoming Arrancar at some point or other and looked similar or just got along and when they removed their masks they did a careful job to look similar. This sounds unlikely as I don't think they get to choose such things, but less likely things have happened before.
Or
2) They took a file or a blade and hacked away at their masks. Considering Nel turned into a child because her cracked mask leaked her reiatsu so heavily I would argue shaving their masks would severely weaken them. Instead of filing down your nails you're filing down your fingers.
To me the masm thing is more about how much damage as being inflicted in Nel not exact her mask alone, but remodeling the mask shoud not be a problem if someone does not try to break it completely in one go.
Sanji's human transformation expiring sooner after defeating Bambi makes sense, given the context we have now. It makes sense, after all the preaching he did, denouncing Kaname for seeking revenge. Its only fitting that it would be his fate, for being a hypocrite.
Which goes hard, because Kaname also renounced his humanity for the sake of revenge and which reflects Sanji's state. The only difference between the two is that Sanji had a LT. that consoled him to say you were justified, while Kaname never had that courtesy.
Maybe they all recognized ichigo. That's why when Yamamoto first met he says kurosaki ?
My take is that it is easier to recognize a specific person's spiritual pressure if you know them better. The Shibas would recognize Ichigo's pressure most easily, while Toshiro and Rangiku probably suspected before they had their suspicions confirmed in the Arrancar Arc, and just kept quiet. Ukitake probably suspected it too, but took Byakuya's word for it that he was wrong even though Byakuya didn't actually do his due diligence.
15:29 It’s because his resolve & reasoning was shifting. It was shifting from revenge (a selfish desire) then a selfless desire via protection 16:53 Yes in this situation it was as he was fighting for no reason but himself not for others. 17:42 Yes but for different reasons and he broke his personal curse.
Given the wording of the humanization technique, while defeating yawach would be for the good of Soul Society, Komomura was interested in defeating him with the primary gain of vengeance,thus triggering the curse. If protecting was his primary goal,it would be held off, which hints at why he was able to fight in that form at all,he was acting in defense of his fellows and not simply for revenge
I think you misunderstand what Kubo is trying to say about komamura. It's not just about revenge.
Komamura preached to tosen NOT about taking revenge, but about selling one's soul for power.
Komamura sold his soul for power for revenge making him a hypocrite,
The overall history of the Gotei 13 is interesting. But I'd love to learn more about Soul Society pre Gotei 13. It sounds like Shinigami and Zanpakuto were around for much longer. So what was the system like? Was it akin to a Warring States era with each Captain level Reaper literally being a warlord in control of a territory?
My understanding of the humanisation answer is that only when his intention becomes purely selfish would the curse activate, but given Sajins personality the selfless desire to protect soul society would be part of his desire for power, But when he faced Ywachs palace the desire to protect Soul Society is lost and was completely overridden by the desire for revenge which is what triggered the curse
I do like the idea of the gotei 13 going up against the present gotei
There are so many people who seem to think that Unohana was 'recruited' into the Gotei 13. Nah. I don't think so at all. Part of a thought experiment I've been doing with my current fan fic is about this very situation. What are the facts? At some point, Unohana Yachiru joined the Gotei 13, solidifying herself as the first Kenpachi, and having learned Kaido in order to enjoy fighting even longer. Her skill as a swordsman is unmatched. She was described by Shunsui as the most dangerous criminal in all of Soul Society. Given the others who were around during that time, *that* in and of itself speaks volumes. She would've had no motive for joining the Gotei 13. So Old Man Yama had to force her. And there's only one way to force her into something like that. Gather enough hardened like-minded criminals on your side in order to persuade the rest. Yamamoto likely gave her an ultimatum. Join us and take up a leadership position, securing your future within the Soul Society, or die, here and now. You'll likely kill your way through more than half of us. But you won't be able to kill us all. This harkens to the very reason that she was out in the woods searching for a fight, for meaning in the first place, when she first came across Zaraki. Because she couldn't do that any more within the Seireitei. The Seireitei became something of a house arrest for her. A prison of boredom. Mutually assured survival through the threat of mutually assured destruction. The fight may have even happened. She may well have cut down an untold amount of enemies before Yamamoto got the upper hand on her.
I interpreted Kamamura losing his human form from him taking a “detour” on his path to revenge. I think he was supposed to turn into a beast once his revenge was complete, but because he used his new form to save Shinji it went against the form/ritual’s purpose and so it completed and turned him into a beast because he “threw away” his revenge momentarily.
Honestly a timer makes more sense otherwise your left with a essentially unkillable high powered individual indefinitely
just wondering not sure if i missed the video if you have done one... could you possibly do most "iconic moments" for the different arcs?
Id love to know more about the beast clan, the animal realm and other clans that may exist. I always thought it was interesting what sajins grandfather said about how the beast clan would not be affected by the change of leadership. He does not seem doubtful or concerned.
The way I look at the Komamura answer is that Komamura took on humanization to AVENGE Yamamoto and REPAY the debt he felt like he owed him and his legacy, inherently not selfish desires. But after that conviction was reduced to mere revenge, even if it was briefly, it became a selfish desire to soothe its pride and sate its anger, so Komamura lost everything. Just sucks to see my boy lose it like that! :'(
Also itd be great to learn that Unohana dyes her hair because of her advanced age with how we see Yamamoto; because otherwise Yamamoto is ANCIENT although not as old as the eons old Ichibei.
Yama was ancient by the time the gotei was founded. But definitely no where near so as Ichibe
The way I understand Komamura's situation is in order to get that immortal human body he made a deal he was obliged to fulfill to the letter. The curse didn't have morals and didn't distinguish whether his intentions were just. He was forbidden to use this power to enact his personal revenge under any circumstances, I think. But Komamura knew the risk and still took it cuz he couldn't help himself and ultimately paid the price.
This is the way I read the Komamura scene. Because he decides to go directly towards a calm Yhwach to get his revenge, instead of trying to protect the Soul Society from the sternritters actively destroying it, the curse activates. Since in that moment his “heart” is filled with only revenge and nothing else.
For Komamura, maybe that's why Kubo said mostly correct. Maybe when it's for selfish reasons, the form starts ticking down. Like giving you a chance to turn back to a path of righteousness before you are consumed by your selfish desire.
I also think the curse means the curse of the beast clan. By doing the technique, you take on the curse and Komamura's great-grandfather is just the current being that is the bearer of the curse or something. So he can spread it others in his clan.
Would like someone else’s thoughts on this but this is In regards to the captains being able to recognise ichigo as Isshin’s son when they first met him in the soul society arc.
Does anyone remember that moment in the anime when Ichigo first appears trying to stop Rukia’s execution and Byakuya is on his way to stop it.
Byakuya meets Ichigo and after he leaves and Ukitake steps in to keep Byakuya in check.
Ukitake now getting a glimpse of Ichigo (and I’m assuming his spiritual pressure) seems to find something familiar about Ichigo and makes a comment like “Is he?…,” and his pondering is cut off by Byakuya brushing it off most likely because of his contempt towards him and not trying to think of it objectively.
That moment has always stuck with me in the series because I always wondered why it seemed like Ukitake looked at Ichigo with an air of Familiarity
There were 2 reasons for humanizing:
1. Protecting the SS and his friends
2. Revenge for Yama
One of those is selfish at conception... He was doomed from the start, no way to separate the 2.... 🤷♂️😄👍
It makes sense when you consider the Jinka is activated and then the first use is to help shinji and defeat the foe in the way of his goal. So he is allowed to keep going in that form. The moment he start going after Yuha to exact his revenge the curse forces him to become the beast of vengeance he was acting as. You're defined by your actions and intent. Revenge for a good cause is still wrong, is seemingly Kubo's message. Of course this only applies to their clan for whatever reason, since Tosin's whole thing was get back too.
It would be cool to see flashbacks with the original Gotei in more fights
7:20 Flashback has to be thought very well.
Does anybody feel that the hole in Komamura's chest look suspiciously like a hollow hole?
I thought I was the only one thinking that!!!
Biggest question is how did the original Gotei died besides Yamamoto and Unohana, they weren't killed by Quincy as far as we know so what sort of monstrous power showed up after Yhwach and mowed them down?
Kukaku and Ishhin age is an interesting topic. I believe it was stated Urahara and Kukaku are the same age. Is Isshin older or younger than them? Since Isshin seems to be closer in age to Gin and Byakuya based on EBTR.
I think it's safe to say the hell arc is gonna happen. I think Kubo is waiting because the anime will become the new canon and we will need to wait for the anime to end to understand the new material he wants to add to the manga.
All of these interesting question, and still no one has asked what the N and K stands for.
Unohana and Yamamoto are in Hell, and as we've seen with Szayel Aporro, you kinda lose your total sense of mind in hell. I'd imagine they'll be total lunatic murderers in hell, fitting to be wardens like Ukitake. Their brutality will probably come up in conversation with someone in the manga as a flashback to their history together and the way they met will be brought up.
I do feel like there was a lot of foreshadowing about Isshin and Ichigo’s background. During the SS arc, Ukitake does believe Ichigo to look a lot like Kaien, before Byakuya simply says it’s not him. It’s very possible, in my mind at least, that Byakuya was aware that Ichigo’s Reiatsu was in fact similar to Isshin when he was a captain, along with him looking a lot like Kaien, but simply shrugged it off as being a mere coincidence. This is also why I believe Rukia was willing to lend Ichigo her powers in the first place. Because of that familiarity.
That part about Komamura makes his ending so much tragic
the Yamamoto Unohana flashback is probably in the hell arc
Oh cool
I think yamamoto and unohana were equal when it comes to sword play but yamamoto dominated the fight by using his shikai since at the time it might be rare for someone to even awaken their zanpakto
With Komamura becoming Human it could be that the selfless guideline he was instructed to follow is to use his Human Form to defend others. After Bambi wasn't continuously killing Shinigami because she was defeated, Komamura attempted to use the Human Form to go on the offensive and I believe that is why also why he turned into a beast. Juha wasn't attacking anyone
I thought the oldest time in the source material is Young Yuha Bach flashback? Where he looks like Tensa Zangetsu from Ichigos dangai training if i recall..
My head cannon has always been Lolly and Melony (i know im spelling them wrong) were an experiment of Aizen to recreate the situation that existed between Starrk and Lillynette. One soul, two bodies, and that they were just weaker from him creating the *end* result artificially with the Hogyoku as opposed to the natural creation of Starrk and Lillynette.
We need a Young Yama arc
I figured that the terms of the curse was to avenge Yamamoto and Bambi didn’t kill Yamamoto so killing her wasn’t avenging Yamamoto thus fulfilling the curse. As long as Sajin didn’t kill anyone else besides Ywach, he could’ve stayed off the curse.
Man I want anime for lore of bleach to many details
Small details I noticed about Sajin's dilemma, Yhwach's entire character and the offhand comments from the Wolf Clan Elder seemed to imply that the "Bestman Clan would endure regardless of who was in charge" (paraphrasing), which seemed to imply that for whatever reason, Sajin's grandfather implies some knowledge of the Soul King's existence as a linchpin, since "they will exists regardless of the state of the world".
Yhwach explicitly makes clear his end goal in killing Reio - HIS FATHER - was to spare him the humiliation of being the lynchpin that perpetuates suffering and the fear of death in his twisted form of salvation. And Reio's "The Almighty" was stated in CFYOW to be far superior to even Yhwach's, able to see the future as it WILL happen a million years postmortem. Including his son's actions, and taking in both his power, and by extension Mimihagi, Pernida and Gerard, thus becoming the new Reio, and thus the new crux of maintaining the Balance of Souls
Is it possible that Sajin's desire for revenge, the moment he turns his revenge to Yhwach for killing Yamamoto and so many others, in of itself the criteria for "a selfish act"? Since by intending to kill the incumbent linchpin of reality that keeps the 3 worlds' stability in check, Sajin would have by extension damned all of creation if he succeeded?
I know I'm flying by the seat of my hypothesizing clown pants here, but there has to be some overarching reason why Sajin explicitly nlost everything at such an accelerated pace the moment he defeated Bambi. Could Beast Clan Curse actually have to due with the Soul King and 5 Great Noble Clans in the Original World? We know that human souls have the Chain of Fate as a stopgap from Hollows flooding the world again, but then where do the Beast Clan, a "bloodline of human sinners", come into the mix? Could they have been pardoned from Hell after a stay and reincarnate as beast like the Buddhist Samsara Bleach emulates? Maybe Sajin's clan have ties to the 5th Unnamed Great Noble Clan we theorize exclusively watches Hell? And by nature of Sajin's actions w/ the Humanization technique single-handedly threatened to enact some series of events that caused Armageddon and the literal end of everything so the curse kicked in to prevent such scenarios?
Considering Kubo's teases leave just enough to never connect the big picture it feels like even the smallest details are their own trails of dominoes.