i might be wrong but i believe physical activity, working in farm or cutting wood or something would be therapeutic for anybody but specially when have mental issues. not to forget about healthy clean food
The issue with that is that to have the liberty, leniency, time, and opportunity to do all of that such as not living inner city in a cramped apartment where there's no privacy through walls, you would probably be of higher income or capital bracket. Hence why all of those things are associated with "feeling better" but they're not mutually exclusive. This is easy to say from someone who has had the privilege to do all of those wonderful things but never experienced truly living broke with absolutely no network or opportunities to expand other than to just straight cold call beg for someone online to use their farm to do those activities.
@@philawsonfur that is a logical response. However, the system knows this and uses it to its advantage. In the UK they are supporting initiatives like community building to indirectly improve mental health. But, in the US the only association that gets funding is pharmaceutical. If they do support any sort of community activities the patients will be too damaged by the drug side effects to even receive any benefits. Pushing back against big pharma and acknowledging that mental health (although can be associated with chemical changes) isn’t *caused* purely by chemical processes is the way to make progress.
I went through one of my worst depressive episodes while being a devoted high school athlete and working out 12+ hours a week. Exercise isn’t everything.
I found proper mental health care abroad. Making appointments in the US got more and more difficult. Waiting lists are months long. Medicaid only gives you generic meds that mess up your stomach. Community clinics have the best intentions but are understaffed. Will have a nurse practitioner in psychiatry will have counselors who have never treated a person with what you have. You feel like a zoo animal in a cage and they sit outside the cage in a chair due to all these hippa laws. I’m so pleased with my current psychologist and my psychiatrist who went to Yale is bilingual and his team of 30 therapists. I got 4 hours of therapy for three months with four different therapists and it saved my life. All at a fraction of what it costs in the US. I was able to have a baby so I’m very happy.
There is a mind-body SPIRIT component to Healing that medical doctors are not trained in and do not see. MDs are trying to look for a structural cause for everything, and on top of that medical doctors and psychiatrists have very little training in TRAUMA. Medical doctors are taught in a highly reductionist model and to treat virtually everything with a medication. I know this because I am a medical doctor.
Thank you! Trauma informed therapy was next on my mind as i was watching this and hoping he would mention it ... Body based modalities and spiritual healing have been passed over for too long
Even if it was a chemical imbalance, that's likely a symptom. It's not the root cause, and if meds had no risks, sedating symptoms would not be an issue. On its own it doesn't solve the real problems, but it can patch the wound while you get the treatment to heal it and prevent future wounds. The issue is that the patch has so many risks, that it's only worth it short term when nothing else works, and only for severe cases.
What does "chronic genetic conditions" mean? It's not real. Everything about psychiatry is a lie including the claim that they have found any genetic correlation for what they call mental illness. They spent billions of taxpayer dollars and found nothing.
I have depression and anxiety and I think I have that for real reasons and it's not chemical in every antidepressant I took cause some serious side effects
@@ChristinaChrisR Oh I don’t disagree with you! I have been leary of this assumption for a long time. When I said something I was shot down by a social worker who claimed “IT IS.”
@@marleneholik-ls9wr I know and I feel ya! Many patients I’ve encountered actually have been talking about the serotonin hypothesis for about 15 years. I’ve never said anything about it to any psychiatrist, because I knew I would been looked upon as an idiot. So, last year, I thought: finally - can we now stop comparing it to a diabetes 1 patient that needs insulin bc it’s not true. (Still, who am I to say. I’m not a doctor, I’ve just read papers.) Cheers from Sweden! Take care🌷
@@ChristinaChrisR Hi - I was a nurse for many years myself but also struggled with mental health issues - and I believed the chemical imbalance theory - but recently learned that in 1988 the theory was proven to be wrong. Hard to know just what to believe.
@@marleneholik-ls9wr thanks for telling me. As early as 1988? Wow that’s before I even heard of the theory of a chemical imbalance in the first place. Yes it is really hard to know what’s what… oh I used to believe it too, of course I did; that’s what “everyone” said, and this particular narrative seems to be consolidated in people’s minds. But I got the impression last year that it had finally been acknowledged by doctors the narrative was wrong. It actually made me so angry hearing about it I barely could make myself listen to the change of hearts lol. (I hope I’m not too confusing in regards to how I express myself, my English skills aren’t the best at the moment - foggy brain!)
I was taught, and not too long ago, about 15-20 years ago, the Neuro-Psycho-Social model. It is posited that brain chemistry alters behaviors, as behavior alters brain chemistry in feedback loops. Some people seem recalcitrant to behaviors altering their brain chemistry, at that point considering medication is logical option. However, it's not a given either. The brain is semi-closed network, psychotropics can indeed enter and alter neurochemistry because they mimic endogenous versions of it. Yet, the brain recognizing a higher level of synthetic variations then typically reduces endogenous levels further to achieve the homeostatic set point, which appears to be mostly related to genetics with some influence from environmental factors.
This sounds a lot closer to the truth or what could be happening and FEELS that way as someone who has struggled with a list of issues including depression and anxiety since I can remember. It's disappointing to hear people in the medical or science fields often stick to just THIS OR THAT thinking as if the issue with a body whose parts/functions are very interwoven in it's function internally and how it reacts to the outside world, would just be one source only throughout a lifetime. I don't think very much in lifetime is just this one thing or that one thing. While health and exercise are ALWAYS a good starting point and foundation to have, they were never the complete answer for me. However I do think that over time pain loops and certain messaging I tell myself has ALSO increased and worsened my condition. Pharmaceuticals became necessary to work but ALSO worsened my issues over time. Not to mention a myriad of other environmental factors that could be disrupting endocrine function etc... How much time would it take in an absolutely perfect setting would it take to slowly come off all meds (AGAIN) and rewire all of the nuerological pathways somehow through a myriad of therapies of whatever back to a healthy foundation and then would my body even be able to hold that....?? I tried to complete something like this. Quit my job , took my savings, moved in with parents, came off meds (years of benzos was brutal) exercised, removed stress, read motivation material, tried to listen to and repeat mantras all day or most of the day and while I slept at night, fasted, cleansed, ate super healthy for a few years but it just wasn't enough. Not sure what people like me are supposed to do but at least some people realize the brain is powerful and looping is real but it's not everything, there are a myriad of reasons why people can't function and the recipe will not be the same for everyone. (Also just a side note, slightly off topic) but the benzos I think did permanent damage or at least it would have taken wayyyy longer than 3 years to completely heal, maybe I would never quite feel the same after taking them.
I think it's also caused by lack of something in your life to love. With abuse, you're not finding a lot of love in that environment. Think of how happy animals, dogs etc. make you. You have to have love to come home to, and not an empty, abusive home or empty apartment. Something to live for...
Yes, it's not the reason for everyone but I think many people are self medicating because they NEVER got a appropriate supply of dopamine their whole life resulting in a cascade of other issues.
Though SSRI’s CAN work, doesn’t mean they will work for everybody. Correct me if I’m wrong but, there doesn’t seem to be any evidence that depression is caused by a chemical imbalance, more specifically serotonin.
Depression is over focusing on the past and anxiety is over focus on the future. The “chemical imbalance is a result of thought too much in either direction leads this. Balance = health. A focus on the present is the secret sauce.
While there is truth to that old statement, it is very simplistic and does not define what everyone is dealing with. Life and of course our layered bodies are often not just one thing or the other thing but a combination of issues.
Are you really changing people on disability 300$ and hour if so shame on you benefiting from suffering I help others for nothing and I went through benzo withdrawals
Of course typical MD. Still taking advantage of people with their “holier than thou” “solution”. What we need is these doctors to come out and advocate. We don’t need their guidance. They can point us in the direction toward trauma therapists or movement/ nutrition specialists. But, how can someone help when they’ve all they’ve been indoctrinated in is pharmaceutical damage? Admit this system is a waste and use your time to either advocate or get an education on how to actually provide the help we need.
Can you please help me? I always think the same of these Drs. That finally have the answers to our suffering and want to charge so much. They’re obviously already well off and have plenty of other clients they can get rich off of. Like Dr. Amen a Dr. to a bunch of celebrities, ok take their money because they have it, then do some charity work for the rest of us. I’m not talking FREE, but at least a sliding scale. I’m sure God would bless them.
@@s.o.c.2669 Yes it's atrocious! Technically any of these people with MDs who spent years studying the drug model primarily, can create a 501c org and apply for grant and federal funding to keep up operating costs and allow for treating people with high need yet low incomes. Yet, these "psychiatric professionals" help themselves by only taking on low liability people who are already in privileged low stress situations and will pay whatever they are charged, plus it will be very easy to change their lifestyle which is a major key in recovery.
People need to realize it can help for short periods of time when people are suicidal but it is not lifelong. It is not a Panacea for everyday problems.ps nice lighting
That it is controversial to believe that afflictions of the mind have no meaningful connection to the self, and are purely biological, suggests a radically new understanding of the self: divorced from the mind, somehow immobile and mute, predetermined. It is in fact a projection of what we want to believe about the self: that we have value and potency independent of our thoughts, which we somehow collectively assume to be arbitrary and transient. We are each defined by our thoughts, by our unique experiences of thinking, and the myriad relationships connecting our internal lives to the world at large. This is the nature of thinking and being a thinking subject, and yes, thinking causes problems it may not be able to solve on its own. But the problem of thinking, while biologically grounded, does not transpire in a purely biological milieu. It is a complex, multifaceted phenomenon that can only be defined within the full context of the self.
Gratitude is nice and healthy to start, but it CAN be a form of emotional and spiritual bypass. In trauma informed therapies the process of healing involves processing memories, processing current reactions to stimuli, and really sitting with and feeling our feelings on a regular basis. We need to feel a full range of emotions in order to properly function in life, sadness has to be taken with the gratitude, fear has to be taken with love.
I agree, if done earnestly and consistently. But, even that takes time to learn and have the effects build up. I believe incorporating written, structured gratitude into your life is the fastest, easiest, cheapest, most fulfilling way to healing and happiness.
The brain needs nutrients and hormones that modern food, contaminated water and synthetic chemical supplements are not providing. Even engine oil needs to be clean and have the right additives.
If you are "HAPPY WITH WHAT YOU DO", does that still fit the definition of depressed? "Lives a fulfilled life"? Maybe they're not in that category. Just saying.....happy? Fulfilled? Tell me how that makes sense. The problem is they worship at the alter of modern medicine...
They push that theory of chemical imbalance also to prescribe more chemicals in pill form and make some bucks from the suppliers to keep moving them.
And then that actually creates a chemical imbalance
@@brockashsfrund Amen to that
The medication also helps many people too
i might be wrong but i believe physical activity, working in farm or cutting wood or something would be therapeutic for anybody but specially when have mental issues. not to forget about healthy clean food
The issue with that is that to have the liberty, leniency, time, and opportunity to do all of that such as not living inner city in a cramped apartment where there's no privacy through walls, you would probably be of higher income or capital bracket. Hence why all of those things are associated with "feeling better" but they're not mutually exclusive. This is easy to say from someone who has had the privilege to do all of those wonderful things but never experienced truly living broke with absolutely no network or opportunities to expand other than to just straight cold call beg for someone online to use their farm to do those activities.
@@philawsonfur that is a logical response. However, the system knows this and uses it to its advantage. In the UK they are supporting initiatives like community building to indirectly improve mental health. But, in the US the only association that gets funding is pharmaceutical. If they do support any sort of community activities the patients will be too damaged by the drug side effects to even receive any benefits. Pushing back against big pharma and acknowledging that mental health (although can be associated with chemical changes) isn’t *caused* purely by chemical processes is the way to make progress.
That's never done me a bit of good.
I went through one of my worst depressive episodes while being a devoted high school athlete and working out 12+ hours a week.
Exercise isn’t everything.
Nutrition plays a part. And having a supportive safe family life.
I found proper mental health care abroad. Making appointments in the US got more and more difficult. Waiting lists are months long. Medicaid only gives you generic meds that mess up your stomach. Community clinics have the best intentions but are understaffed. Will have a nurse practitioner in psychiatry will have counselors who have never treated a person with what you have. You feel like a zoo animal in a cage and they sit outside the cage in a chair due to all these hippa laws. I’m so pleased with my current psychologist and my psychiatrist who went to Yale is bilingual and his team of 30 therapists. I got 4 hours of therapy for three months with four different therapists and it saved my life. All at a fraction of what it costs in the US. I was able to have a baby so I’m very happy.
How did you go about finding a doctor abroad while living in the states?
Yes, please answer
There is a mind-body SPIRIT component to Healing that medical doctors are not trained in and do not see. MDs are trying to look for a structural cause for everything, and on top of that medical doctors and psychiatrists have very little training in TRAUMA. Medical doctors are taught in a highly reductionist model and to treat virtually everything with a medication. I know this because I am a medical doctor.
Thank you! Trauma informed therapy was next on my mind as i was watching this and hoping he would mention it ... Body based modalities and spiritual healing have been passed over for too long
Thank you for saying so, Dr.
Even if it was a chemical imbalance, that's likely a symptom. It's not the root cause, and if meds had no risks, sedating symptoms would not be an issue. On its own it doesn't solve the real problems, but it can patch the wound while you get the treatment to heal it and prevent future wounds. The issue is that the patch has so many risks, that it's only worth it short term when nothing else works, and only for severe cases.
Very well put.
It might not be a symptom though for people who have chronic genetic conditions, like bipolar disorder or psychosis.
What does "chronic genetic conditions" mean? It's not real. Everything about psychiatry is a lie including the claim that they have found any genetic correlation for what they call mental illness. They spent billions of taxpayer dollars and found nothing.
@@anteg9084but nobody is born with biopolar or psychosis?
Please offer a solid reason for thinking that nobody is born with it - what is your reference
I have depression and anxiety and I think I have that for real reasons and it's not chemical in every antidepressant I took cause some serious side effects
It’s not only “these days.” Chemical imbalance has been a term used for many years!
MANY years. I thought they finally admitted last year it doesn’t work that way?
@@ChristinaChrisR Oh I don’t disagree with you! I have been leary of this assumption for a long time. When I said something I was shot down by a social worker who claimed “IT IS.”
@@marleneholik-ls9wr I know and I feel ya! Many patients I’ve encountered actually have been talking about the serotonin hypothesis for about 15 years. I’ve never said anything about it to any psychiatrist, because I knew I would been looked upon as an idiot. So, last year, I thought: finally - can we now stop comparing it to a diabetes 1 patient that needs insulin bc it’s not true. (Still, who am I to say. I’m not a doctor, I’ve just read papers.)
Cheers from Sweden! Take care🌷
@@ChristinaChrisR Hi - I was a nurse for many years myself but also struggled with mental health issues - and I believed the chemical imbalance theory - but recently learned that in 1988 the theory was proven to be wrong. Hard to know just what to believe.
@@marleneholik-ls9wr thanks for telling me. As early as 1988? Wow that’s before I even heard of the theory of a chemical imbalance in the first place. Yes it is really hard to know what’s what… oh I used to believe it too, of course I did; that’s what “everyone” said, and this particular narrative seems to be consolidated in people’s minds. But I got the impression last year that it had finally been acknowledged by doctors the narrative was wrong. It actually made me so angry hearing about it I barely could make myself listen to the change of hearts lol.
(I hope I’m not too confusing in regards to how I express myself, my English skills aren’t the best at the moment - foggy brain!)
No one mentions the Spiritual dimension of depression
I was taught, and not too long ago, about 15-20 years ago, the Neuro-Psycho-Social model. It is posited that brain chemistry alters behaviors, as behavior alters brain chemistry in feedback loops. Some people seem recalcitrant to behaviors altering their brain chemistry, at that point considering medication is logical option. However, it's not a given either. The brain is semi-closed network, psychotropics can indeed enter and alter neurochemistry because they mimic endogenous versions of it. Yet, the brain recognizing a higher level of synthetic variations then typically reduces endogenous levels further to achieve the homeostatic set point, which appears to be mostly related to genetics with some influence from environmental factors.
This sounds a lot closer to the truth or what could be happening and FEELS that way as someone who has struggled with a list of issues including depression and anxiety since I can remember. It's disappointing to hear people in the medical or science fields often stick to just THIS OR THAT thinking as if the issue with a body whose parts/functions are very interwoven in it's function internally and how it reacts to the outside world, would just be one source only throughout a lifetime. I don't think very much in lifetime is just this one thing or that one thing. While health and exercise are ALWAYS a good starting point and foundation to have, they were never the complete answer for me. However I do think that over time pain loops and certain messaging I tell myself has ALSO increased and worsened my condition. Pharmaceuticals became necessary to work but ALSO worsened my issues over time. Not to mention a myriad of other environmental factors that could be disrupting endocrine function etc... How much time would it take in an absolutely perfect setting would it take to slowly come off all meds (AGAIN) and rewire all of the nuerological pathways somehow through a myriad of therapies of whatever back to a healthy foundation and then would my body even be able to hold that....?? I tried to complete something like this. Quit my job , took my savings, moved in with parents, came off meds (years of benzos was brutal) exercised, removed stress, read motivation material, tried to listen to and repeat mantras all day or most of the day and while I slept at night, fasted, cleansed, ate super healthy for a few years but it just wasn't enough. Not sure what people like me are supposed to do but at least some people realize the brain is powerful and looping is real but it's not everything, there are a myriad of reasons why people can't function and the recipe will not be the same for everyone. (Also just a side note, slightly off topic) but the benzos I think did permanent damage or at least it would have taken wayyyy longer than 3 years to completely heal, maybe I would never quite feel the same after taking them.
Bro inserted himself as the interviewee
Community mental health is grotesquely underfunded and clients are treated like dirt.
Yup and they are too damaged by side effects of the drugs to gain benefits from community initiatives.
I think it's also caused by lack of something in your life to love. With abuse, you're not finding a lot of love in that environment. Think of how happy animals, dogs etc. make you. You have to have love to come home to, and not an empty, abusive home or empty apartment. Something to live for...
Well, that chemical "inbalance" would probably be better solved with improved nutrition and dental/oral hygiene.
Yes!!
Hormonal imbalance
I think most depression is a low supply of dopamine, most opiates will make you feel great.
Yes, it's not the reason for everyone but I think many people are self medicating because they NEVER got a appropriate supply of dopamine their whole life resulting in a cascade of other issues.
Yeah but eventually the opioids don't make you feel good either after continuined use it's a double edged sword.
Though SSRI’s CAN work, doesn’t mean they will work for everybody. Correct me if I’m wrong but, there doesn’t seem to be any evidence that depression is caused by a chemical imbalance, more specifically serotonin.
You are correct. Great book- Anatomy of an Epidemic
Pharmacia
🎯💯💯💯💯
Depression is over focusing on the past and anxiety is over focus on the future. The “chemical imbalance is a result of thought too much in either direction leads this. Balance = health. A focus on the present is the secret sauce.
While there is truth to that old statement, it is very simplistic and does not define what everyone is dealing with. Life and of course our layered bodies are often not just one thing or the other thing but a combination of issues.
One 'leg' (thought) in the past, one 'leg' in the future and you're 'pissing' on today...
Are you really changing people on disability 300$ and hour if so shame on you benefiting from suffering I help others for nothing and I went through benzo withdrawals
Of course typical MD. Still taking advantage of people with their “holier than thou” “solution”. What we need is these doctors to come out and advocate. We don’t need their guidance. They can point us in the direction toward trauma therapists or movement/ nutrition specialists. But, how can someone help when they’ve all they’ve been indoctrinated in is pharmaceutical damage? Admit this system is a waste and use your time to either advocate or get an education on how to actually provide the help we need.
Can you please help me? I always think the same of these Drs. That finally have the answers to our suffering and want to charge so much. They’re obviously already well off and have plenty of other clients they can get rich off of. Like Dr. Amen a Dr. to a bunch of celebrities, ok take their money because they have it, then do some charity work for the rest of us. I’m not talking FREE, but at least a sliding scale. I’m sure God would bless them.
@@s.o.c.2669 Yes it's atrocious! Technically any of these people with MDs who spent years studying the drug model primarily, can create a 501c org and apply for grant and federal funding to keep up operating costs and allow for treating people with high need yet low incomes. Yet, these "psychiatric professionals" help themselves by only taking on low liability people who are already in privileged low stress situations and will pay whatever they are charged, plus it will be very easy to change their lifestyle which is a major key in recovery.
People need to realize it can help for short periods of time when people are suicidal but it is not lifelong. It is not a Panacea for everyday problems.ps nice lighting
Chemical imbalance has been disproved.
They now have a blood test. Have your Dr do a blood test.
That it is controversial to believe that afflictions of the mind have no meaningful connection to the self, and are purely biological, suggests a radically new understanding of the self: divorced from the mind, somehow immobile and mute, predetermined. It is in fact a projection of what we want to believe about the self: that we have value and potency independent of our thoughts, which we somehow collectively assume to be arbitrary and transient. We are each defined by our thoughts, by our unique experiences of thinking, and the myriad relationships connecting our internal lives to the world at large. This is the nature of thinking and being a thinking subject, and yes, thinking causes problems it may not be able to solve on its own. But the problem of thinking, while biologically grounded, does not transpire in a purely biological milieu. It is a complex, multifaceted phenomenon that can only be defined within the full context of the self.
Being grateful stops depression instantly.
Not true. I am grateful but still have PTSD and depression.
@@indigobunting2431 what are you grateful for? What is depressing you?
Gratitude is nice and healthy to start, but it CAN be a form of emotional and spiritual bypass. In trauma informed therapies the process of healing involves processing memories, processing current reactions to stimuli, and really sitting with and feeling our feelings on a regular basis.
We need to feel a full range of emotions in order to properly function in life, sadness has to be taken with the gratitude, fear has to be taken with love.
I agree, if done earnestly and consistently. But, even that takes time to learn and have the effects build up. I believe incorporating written, structured gratitude into your life is the fastest, easiest, cheapest, most fulfilling way to healing and happiness.
Could this be a Spiritual thing?
The brain needs nutrients and hormones that modern food, contaminated water and synthetic chemical supplements are not providing.
Even engine oil needs to be clean and have the right additives.
If you are "HAPPY WITH WHAT YOU DO", does that still fit the definition of depressed? "Lives a fulfilled life"? Maybe they're not in that category. Just saying.....happy? Fulfilled? Tell me how that makes sense. The problem is they worship at the alter of modern medicine...
I call it life with out God. Call on the name Ahayah asher Ahayah cast your burdens on him.
Let's say it is due to a chemical imbalance that that imbalance can be controlled by your thoughts.
Well caring for the person is not new age its Christian, normal and just good practice. But don't get me wrong Jesus is the only way!
Maybe get some therapy for your religious mania.
The issue is they need Jesus.
If you dont have a relationship with Jesus, your life will ALWAYS be incomplete.
Agreed but in these desperate places peoples brains get damaged from all the drug effects. It’s hard to believe in anything when you’re in this place.
You need to actually listen to Jesus and repent.
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