Top 10 Games That Keep Getting Better
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- Tom, Zee, and Sam share their updated list of top ten board games that keep getting better for them!
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Sam Healy / Zee Garcia / Tom Vasel
10: King of Tokyo / Tatsu / Vindication
09: Deception: Murder in Hong Kong / Paper Tales / DVONN
08: Blood Rage / Arkham Horror / Jet Set
07: Stone Age / AuZtralia / Pulsar 2849
06: Warhammer Underworlds: Shadespire / Keyforge / Roll Player
05: Memoir '44 / Azul / Clank!: A Deck-Building Adventure
04: Champions of Midgard/ Five Tribes / Race for the Galaxy
03: Village Attacks / The Manhattan Project: Energy Empire / A Feast for Odin
02: Western Legends / Carpe Diem / Magic: The Gathering
01: Inis / Arkham Horror: The Card Game / Dominion
Thanks. Makes watching the video a lot more easy to follow and enjoy. Tom's constant pleas not to list the games is infantile.
Tom thinks we watch these videos just to find out what games they picked. He doesn't have a clue that we watch them because we love these guys.
I almost always skip to the end and look at their lists first and then go back and watch. 🤷♂️
Episodes like this remind me why the Dice Tower will always be, hands down, my favorite board game CZcams and podcasts.
Now that Sams gone Idk man...
King of Tokyo variant: make the energy symbols yield two energy. This allows for more card play per game. Very fun.
24:58, this whole bit, just....YES, the burn, the swag, the chuckle
The chemistry between you three was fantastic this episode. The discussion on Sam's 4 was making me laugh. : )
It's so funny when you guys are goofing off. Please don't be afraid to cut loose!
So true. "What's it like..." "I need help" "...to be a crack head!?" LOL
You can see how Sam's brain is slowly melting when Zee and Tom discuss Dvonn and Yinsh :D
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I stupidly forgot the password. I appreciate any help you can offer me
@Samir Manuel instablaster :)
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I liked the look of Village Attacks when I saw it being demo'd at UK Games Expo recently. My group always goes to that show with bursting wallets eager to find new games. Sadly after standing by an empty table for over 5 minutes waiting for one of the publisher/creator staff to show some interest in us we gave up and found designers that were enthusiastic about showcasing their game. Big up to Miremarsh staff by the way your enthusiasm made me buy the game and I've not regretted it
Wow Sam is hitting all of my favs today: Blood Rage, Western Legends, Inis!
Love Sam slowly going stir crazy as Tom & Zee wax lyrical about an abstract 😂
Stone Age :
Zee “I don’t like rolling for resources”
Energy Empire:
Zee “I love rolling for resources”
😆
Actually that happens a lot. Sometimes you try to find a reason why you don’t like a certain game but at the end is the overall of the game that you don’t like or at least many things mixed together that makes the game not enjoyable to you. For exemple I always said that I don’t like Pandemic very much because it’s cooperative but one day i realised that i like a cooperative game, Zombicide.
I just thought he was being ironic with stone age, because of what Sam was saying.
I mean, there's a LOT of reasons to like MP:EE more than Stone Age.
Boardgame Barbarian lol
Funny, exactly what he said!
Hell yeah to Inis Sam! That game is my absolute favorite... so simple yet so complex!!!
Do a top 10 for the game you don't really like, but they ONE amazing thing you love :D
Manhattan Project: Energy Empire is definitely a great game, in my opinion! I always enjoy my experience playing it, and I think it's a wonderfully designed game! It's also easy to teach, along with fun and engaging gameplay. It's also in my top 5 favorite board games. Every game is also different based on which events are in play, along with which cardsvhit the table. Great pick, Zee!
Awesome topic. Best criteria for a game imho, if it's good to begin with.
I can really see where Tom's coming from with Dominion, since I feel the same way about it. Every now and then I try out some (new) game that has some clever and nifty card element/mechanic to it, and then I realize... wait, Dominion does this too... but in almost every case with more clarity, more variety, more intensity, etc etc..
Bernie K yeah, if you spent another 200 for expansions
Really like the three of you. Just funny and engaging.
Essential Expansion ... an expansion that once played with you wont play without.
You guys ( and Wil Wheaton and Game the Game ) are why I have a kallax and it is stuffed full of boardgames. Well, that and I love board games =) I am on level 8 at CoolStuff which gives me really good discounts. All that aside, I just wanna say that the dynamic chemistry and point of view of you three is such a joy! Don't ever change! Here are my Top 3 reasons to follow Dice Tower from this episode:
3. Sam: "And that's just from mah naked lil brain juices."
2. Zee: "You guys are Animals."
1. Tom: "Mud Hut. No, it's Jet Set."
Can't believe Tom said "cool story, bro" XD
I'd love to hear your top A.I.s used in games.
For me number 1. is Terraforming Mars and it's because I play it over and over again with the same friend and as both of our knowledge of the game increases at the saem time the gameplay is just better and better. Plus we include new expansions as they come and it helps keep the experience fresh. For exaple drafting cards became amazing recently as we both have pretty good idea what cards are in game...
Sam, I am intersted in your opinion about the house rule to change the place of the bonus tokens for every round in Blood Rage.
Played Tatsu again this week for the first time in a while. Still really good.
I’m with Zee. I started playing Pathfinder:Card Game, and each scenario got less and less interesting, with fewer and fewer decisions. The reverse is true with Arkham Horror: Card Game. Each scenario is more interesting and challenging. The storyline continually intrigues you and the ability to tinker with your deck leads to even more interesting decisions between scenarios. It’s the perfect game for this title because it really does get better and better!
Love the Ben Knopp reference!
Interesting topic. Apparently many games keep getting better for me with multiple plays. Due to interference of life and the amount of games on the shelf I am not able to bring games to the table as often as I wish and they would deserve. I love the feeling when I and my fellow gamers start to realize certain strategies, combinations and combos. Always something that makes me happy - and that's what gaming is about, for me...
Needed t-shirt...
"Pandemic sucks"
-Zee Garcia
1:18:00 this bit earned me addong this to my best of dicetower youtube playlist lolllll
Too real Zee.....
Great lists guys... most ALL of Sam's lists made sense. I would agree with "Memoir 44". Zee...was surprised that "Neuroshima Hex" wasn't on his list. **Was also surprised why Sam left off Zombie-side black plague. Tom... was encouraged and gratified to find MTG on your list, I will ALWAYS LOVE MTG and it would probably be the very LAST game I'd ever get rid of... love the deck building concept.*** Games that are always a joy and never fail to get better for me: "Operation Tannhauser", "PanzerBlitz/Panzer Leader", "Hostage Negotiator", "This War of Mine", "Tiny Epic Galaxies", "Status Pro Baseball" (AH), MTG, "Condotierre", "Warfighter", and "Battle Cry"... this was a great Top 10... sort of reminded me of your "Con" shows... lots of good interaction.
Nice idea with the PuffinChilly, Sam.
Totally thought Zee would have included Neuroshima Hex on his list.
Someone may have already mentioned this in the comments, but when they talked about games that require you to tell your opponents you are about to win, besides Inis and Chess, the other game I thought about was Uno...very different games INDEED!!!
It should be a rule in Gizmos. The I'm one away rule.
I hope you're listening, Matt Leacock... free expansion name for Pandemic: Cthulhu, "Unnatural Flavors"
Zee Panademic(any of it's variations) Sam( Blood Rage) Tom(Cosmic Encounter, still seems you have more fun than the last time you played).
Sound levels generally seem lower on your live shows versus your recorded ones. If you can increase the volume generally on live shows, please do.
Jim Grant agreed!
Agreed
Agreed. And I'm generally not a fan of the live 10 tens. I liked the old format better.
Why is this always an issue? I have a volume knob... I dont get it.
@@ericlink2828 Because on many tablets, phones, and other devices with small speakers even at full volume it's too quiet or distorts if the source is too low.
I like Zee's no. 1 choice, I love how each scenario is different, but I have to say that Lord of Rings LCG gives me just as much fun for the very same reason.
Crazy. My 2 favourite games of all time on top of the list. Up until now Dominion is only beaten by Inis. I might try Arkham Horror next then.
Sam,
Memoir 44’
I 100% agree with you! I played this game with a buddy of mine while we were in a 5 Week Officer course in the military. We were studying military doctrine, strategy, and combat management. During that time, we played all scenarios of the base game, Memoir ‘44. It is much more strategic then people think! Between the card management and where to place your units (that highly influence the success of die rolls).
I even built a Memoir 44’ doctrine as I played, and my playing improved throughout the scenarios! This was a special experience that I’ll always treasure. Great game!
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Dice
1/2 (50%) chance of hitting an infantry
1/3 (33.3%) chance of hitting an armor
1/6 (16%) chance of hitting artillery
* with Flags: 2/3, 1/2, and 1/3
On average
8 die to kill one unit
9 dice to kill one armor unit
12 dice to kill one artillery unit
* with Flags: 6 dice for each unit
Ratio
3/6 - Infantry
2/6 - Tanks
1/6 - Artillery
Ratio w/ Flags
4/6 - Infantry
3/6 - Tanks
2/6 - Artillery
I am sorry Tom, I only agree with your 4th pick 90%. I think the first expansion for RfG it is a good one. I really dig the goals. It was the only one made an effort to look for. The rest, yep don't think it is too big of a deal. I love race and it would also be one of my picks on this list.
Hey I remember in Tom's Trains review that if Trains got just one expansion, it would replace Dominion for him. What about now?
Inis is amazing but it was always great for me so I can't say it "got better". Charterstone definitely got better every game, but that's what makes legacy games so great. TM/Scythe/Orleans/Whistle Stop are increasingly exciting to play, with or without expansions, but expansions have undeniably played a role. Finally, I think Wingspan is on track to become the next gem with its huge selection of birds to try.
TM is Terra Mystica, or Terraforming Mars?
@@stephanmobius1380 ah true... Terraforming Mars :-)
Cosmic encounters amazing. ❤️
14:12 Sounds like Zee leans toward the Rakdos guild style if he played magic.
Had to pause to read the stamp. HILARIOUS!!!
Blood Rage almost requires multiple plays. Gizmos, Gugong, Alien Artifacts, Council of 4, Dice Settlers, 51st state, Seeland, Century Sand and Sea, and Roll Player are some of mine.
Gizmos is a solvable problem. In the sense that you will quickly find all viable strategies and "solve" the game where it loses its mystery.
@@Steve-yd9ki maybe but each time I play I am trying new strategies and playing with four requires that you watch others strategies so that you can find the right path and get lucky. I dont play it often enough to feel I have exhausted it. I have a points strategy and several race strategies... one including the tier 3 cards, that was fun to discover... if I have time I can build a few other nice engines. Unlike Dominion it is far more tactical, random cards, other players limiting choices or moving the time clock up all go into keeping this fresh. Play against more players and try new strategies... beat your last score.
Dorkus Maximus Aurelius III must be the best non-threatening insult for a fellow boardgamer ever
GrandMasterYoW what about Dorkus Analysis Paralysis?
Western Legends is another great pick! I agree with Sam that every experience I've had just gets better and better, along with such a strong western theme! I've played the game 5 times already, and look forward to all future plays! I'm VERY excited for the Ante Up expansion!!! It's another top 5 board game for me!
Isn't it broken? The optimal strategy seems to be poker -> caberet
@@AdamLindell No, not at all! I've played the game 5 times, and I've never seen anyone win with a poker strategy. I've seen several people win with a neutral mining strategy, and seen others win with either a cattle/Marshall strategy or a Marshall/mining strategy. The upcoming expansion this year, Ante Up, adds many more ways to score points.
Vindication is top notch experience. Best game for 2019 so far.
14:50 - "five letters... two of the letters do not appear next to each other in any other word in the English language..."
*gets dictionary*
*turns to page 1*
"AARDVARK"
Huh.
Also advice, adventure etc etc
@@jhgf280 or advocate, (dis-)advantage
@@jhgf280 yes, thanks, you're not wrong but my point was that there's a counterexample literally on page one!
Nope, not "AARDVARK". There are a least two other words that have "AA" in them. AARDWOLF and AA. You might try to argue that AARDWORF comes from the Afrikaan language and AA comes from the Hawaiian language, but then you have to eliminate AARDVARK because it also comes from Afrikaans, which also contains AA.
@@patcon314 I think you've missed the reference in the video.
Now we need that "Top 10 Social Deduction Games" list :D
When is Zee’s being introduced with the History of the Dice Tower video series?
Sam @ 25:04 was that a sneeze or a gufah at Tom's "Cool story, bro" comment?
Mine is small world. I didnt expect to like it, and I did. Then as I played it more, i thought I'd be done with it. But I recently traded for it because Its now a heavy favorite of mine.
Strongly agree!
It's Food Chain Magnate for me. There's no other game that keeps the tension so high every single time...
By the third round I start to feel my heart pounding until the game is over. Literally. Just because I'm so afraid what my opponent(s) might do to me
So this is games that have layers in which you can continue to improve strategy.
Why are there always electrical problems when Zee plays/mentions arkham horror lcg? O.o
I was expecting Tom to have Terraforming mars on the list.
For me it grows and grows.
rob taylor I play it about 60 times a year. And I love it more than when I started. I still get excited every time.
tell them about german "Thüringer Mett" is raw pig minced meat. But we have hard food law and can be only seeled for a few hours and has to be eaten on the same day.
Innovation. So dry and boring the first time you play, but gets better and better until it finally plateaus around game 50-100 when you have a really solid knowledge of all the cards and major strategies.
Much like a fine wine, Rise of Augustus gets better every time you play it.
Orleans definitely!
Wow, I feel like Sam’s list resonated with me much more then Tom and Z’s...which is weird for me, since I think Tom and Zee typically are my jam.
Yeah, Sam has been firing on all engines lately. I'm going to mark the change with his inclusion of tournament at Camelot in a list about a year ago. Since then he has been broadening his horizons and turned me into some great games. I feel like he has really hit his stride... although... he is wrong about Vindication. Dead wrong.
I'm with Sam on this one for Champions of Midgard. Love love love the base game. The expansions are solid but also complicates the game more and makes for too many viking spots. We usually play WITH the expansions but I'm also more than happy to play with the base game. Dark Mountains is OP in my opinion..
@My Cat's Breath Smells Like Cat Food I agree with your thoughts on Valhalla. It definitely adds more to think about which in turn can slow down which should be a faster paced game. I guess I just wish DM had a few more nastier journey cards to force players to prepare as much as when they go voyaging.
gammon in the semse of backgammon means game - back meaning the end - end game
"Essential" is defined as "sine quo non" by three different dictionaries to include the OED. Maybe y'all should come up with another modifying adjective for expansions.
I feel like Smallworld would make my list with the number of expansions.
What was the music in the introduction?
I miss this trio the most entertaining team in gaming
Zee knows what's up with AuZtralia - it might be Martin Wallace's best train yet!
I feel like thus list should be revisited
Yo... Great list....
Life Pro Tip: watch Dice Tower videos at 1.5x or 1.75x speed.
Download a chrome add-on that goes all the way to 16x but mainly watch videos at 2.5-3x
Thank you for saving an hour of my life.
Why have I not been doing this all along!?
How
@@eddieb8054 when watching a video, select the settings for it and change the playback speed
@zee you should try arkham horror the card game multiplayer, it opens up a whole new dimension!😦
I'm throwing shade upon you.
lol lost it on that one.
I'm sorry to say this, but a few years after he's left and been replaced by Mike, I'm not missing Sam's "looking bored" looks when Zee or Tom are talking, like at 14:26 for example...
Tom, I hope you mean words that START with "dv" because there are hundreds of everyday words with "dv" in them.
Its all about Arkham Horror LCG. I love this game it's my favorite.
What letters appear in DVONN that don't appear adjacently in other words? aDVerse, VOte, ON, aNNotate, among others.
Ah, never mind, I see you figured it out.
I love you guys.
Let me just summarize every pick for every dice tower top 10 list.
Sam - says something I totally disagree with
Zee - talks about some random abstract that no one else has ever heard of
Tom - the voice of reason who’s list is the only one I actually pay attention to
So did this philosophy apply with this list as well?...
Because Tom's list this time was a bunch of bad games except for Dominion and Clank, and Sam's list was 9 good games.
Thumbs up for the topsy turvy hat!
The worst part about Carpe Diem’s look is how unfortunately similar some of the colors and buildings are. It’s like they didn’t screen it at all. Great game though.
Can I see that list of top ten games that got better over time? Maybe with expansions and/or new editions? Maybe a most improved or best final result? Do you have that video?
Glad to see some Inis love. I don't think it got the accolades it deserved.
Agreed, fantastic game!
Expansion hype might give it a boost this year in the next few months. Also surprised Tom picked Race just ahead of Roll when he has the latest expansion pending review. Might be a tight coin flip there next time they do this list.
Agreed - Inis is one of the greatest game designs of modern board gaming!
"With All This Talent Laying Around, Let's Put Out A Game" sounds like the title of a Japanese light novel about a quirky group of high school kids trying to learn game development.
I joined in at number 5 and still do not know who each of these guys are. . . .
Fred Myers I watched from the start and never figured it out.
the one with the beard is sam
@@ashesanddiamonds2692 II think you missed the joke at the start of this video
@@fredmyers8366 I think you missed that all of them have a beard
Let's see a top 10 list of excuses used to not a play a game when offered! Lol
Yes! I know I'm late but this would be amazinh
Backgammon!
I was like waaat when Slovenian Bled Lake showed on the screen at 1:14:00... It is so rare to see anything from my small country on a global scale... besides Dragić and Dončić of course 😁
Lake Bled is crawling with American and British tourists.
Gammon is a word here in the UK. It's a type of pork. (It's also a political insult, but we don't need to get into that here)
which I've just realised gets addressed when I watch the video for another 2 minutes!
Gammon is a shut out win in backgammon. A backgammon is when you win while your opponent still has a piece on your side of the board!
"Geometry son" . lol
This list should be named top ten games that have legs. ;)
Also "dork orcs" :)
#1 Dominion Absolutely
RFTG, Inis
Arkham Horror The Card Game: the top game that keeps getting more expensive
Personally my top game that keeps getting better is Legendary Marvel, specifically playing it solitaire with the Advanced Solo Mode. I initially liked the game but didn't play it much solo, but nowadays this game has become my go-to solo board game. As a solo game it moves and sets up quickly (I can setup and play a full game in an hour or less) and with all the expansions has a ridiculous amount of variety and replayability. Not to mention that as a Marvel comic book fan it's great seeing a bunch of the lesser known characters thrown into the mix ("Oh yeah, there WAS an issue where the Punisher was the Sorcerer Supreme!") And even with a couple of other people, it's a solid cooperative game or with the Secret Wars expansion is fun with one player as the Mastermind versus one or two heroes. It doesn't scale well to four or five heroes but otherwise this game seems to be a real evergreen for me.
What is Zee's no.1 Stefan Feld game?
Bruges for both Tom and Zee I believe.
I thought he meant Qwixx because of the 'xx'