They are all CRAP! Why do they keep making CRAP RV's? Ep 5.6
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- They are all CRAP! Why do they keep making CRAP RV's? We dive into what we experienced at the 2024 RV SuperShow and outline why you should avoid buying a new RV right now. Ep 5.6. #brinkleyrv, #CRAPRV, #Brokenrv, #junkRV, #garbagerv,
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We bought a new Forrest River Puma in 2020. Within one year it had to be sent back to the manufacturer for a complete teardown and rebuild. But, the manufacturer said it was the dealers responsibility, and the dealer claimed it was the manufacturer's responsibility. We finally had to threaten to sue. You name it. Water heater dumping carbon monoxide into the cabin. Toilet leaking at base. Several water lines leaking. Shower pan split down the middle. Wallpaper peeling off. Trim falling off inside and out. Screws just simply backing out of their holes inside and out. Bolts popped off the tongue jack. Frame has had several recalls over complete faulures at welded joints, sometimes near axles. Outdoor speakers failed. DVD player stopped working. Air conditioner stopped working. Three weeks later we got it back. Everything replaced or fixed. BUT. A year later, the slide out won't run out completely. There's a bulge developing in the metal siding on the outside top middle above the slide-out. The plumbing is leaking again. The outside trim they replaced is gone while towing, screws are backing out again. Air conditioner stopped working after one trip. No one wants to fix it, again. So I take it to places that have RV shows and give free tours, showing the horrible manufacturer fails, I show them pictures of the previous failures, before the "rebuild". If I can stop just one family who is going to spend $30,000 or more on these doorstops with wheels, I'll feel vindicated. NEVER BUY A FOREST RIVER PRODUCT, YOU'LL REGRET IT IMMEDIATELY!
Thanks for sharing
sorry your family went thru that. thanks for sharing experience.
Check out Escape Trailers I’m looking at the 5.0 fifth wheel.
We looked to replace our 2002 national sea view 32' A class with 85,000 miles last year.
After research, we decided to gut out the bathroom replace all the windows and appliances. I should have her on the road this year.
And she will still be paid for.
I'm a contractor, so my wife and I are doing all the work.
It's a nice project.
We’re in a Prowler for 2.5 years, living in. The toilet was installed incorrectly, rotting the decking. Kitchen faucet leaked, hoses not tight. Other little nitpicks that I was able to fix myself. Oh, dining table pole bases had to be refastened among other little things. Since this is a FEMA owned trailer, they were good about maintenance. We’re also on our third a/c in 2.5 years. Junk. The stove/oven everyone uses is also junk.
Agree with you 100%. You can’t trust any manufacturer and for sure not dealers! But as long as people keep buying them, nothing will change.
We need to send a message to the industry, don't buy the garbage they are pushing.
@@MyBucketListDay what is a better alternative for folks who want an RV?
@@jeangraceNpeace6767 As he noted, buy something used -- get it inspected, educated yourself on how to look for and repair minor things. Alternatively, go way low end. We used to go to the RV shows and look at the simple weekend pop-ups. We ended up w/ a 32' 5th wheel (!) which we used extensively during Covid. But, hearing about all the issues now I might simply scale back my expectations and go for something super simple (e.g. no slides).
Be thankful that RV manufactures have nothing to do with aviation. 😄
Boeing's latest might as well be defective RVs.
DEI hires and news reports push me into the assumption this is dry humor.
@timdunn2257 don't be too sure of that! I worked for Mcdonald Douglas and Boeing in Long Beach, California, as a Surface and Structure Mechanic. I saw things that would make you walk before flying. There are so many people that 'go out' to lunch. Lunch being 2 or 3 beers and maybe smoke a joint. Then go back to 'work' and continue building an aircraft that flies 7 MILES off of the ground! I'm glad I got laid off when I did. I went into Quality Assurance working for a Boeing vendor. At least the parts I inspected and bought off were correct. What they did with them at Boeing, at that point, not my problem. I refuse to fly on any aircraft!
@@user-bh6eg7qf6t I think you have confused me with another poster. I said, "Boeing's latest might as well be defective RVs." I have a family member who used to work at Boeing. The stories are scary.
I am in my 8th decade of life. As a child I recall that "made in Japan" was synonymous with lousy quality. Now it's the U.S. that has assumed that dubious reputation.
RV manufacturers will continue to make the RVs people demand. If people would stop buying poor quality RVs, manufacturers who have stop building them.
Unfortunately, they all look pretty in the showroom. You have to tear it apart to see how well these guys chest. They're pros. The buyers? "Hey Rube!"
The problem is that the RVs are getting build in the U.S. Made in the USA means expensive junk. Look at the quality problems of American car makers or maybe the Airplane industry
The same problem exists in new home construction poor quality workmanship and materials
You will increase cost by 70 percent
A drug test would stop the poor workmanship. I was shocked at what I saw and what was said. My Toy hauler was a nightmare on wheels.
We were looking for another travel trailer. Local RV dealer here in Rochester NY area wanted $14k for a 2018 Kodiak couples camper. Looked great online until we went to put eyes on it. Bedroom wall was separating at the seams and there was delamination on 3 of the 4 sides. Once the salesman saw were interested but had a fix list, they offered to sell it for $12k as is. We walked away. Found a private seller had listed a 2016 Coachmen Catalina Legacy 233DS on FB Marketplace about 30 minutes. Seller had all receipts, manuals and even took the time to show us the accessories & how it all worked. It was immaculate. Wifey was happy with it and we bought it for cash. Great video.
I spent several months researching fifth wheels trying to suss out who is manufacturing a better product. It’s amazing how poorly they are making them now. I ended up buying a Brinkley because of their quality. I’m sure that there will be some issues with it since it’s a new company building a new RV, but I’m sure they will take care of any problems that arise from any build issues. They have already contacted me a couple times to see how things are going with it, completely out of the blue! That is what I call customer service!
Great to hear.
Your analysis is spot on and I feel for the hard working folks that purchase these RV's thinking they are built as good as they look on the outside. I purchased a new 2022 29 foot low end travel trailer to use as a temporary office for my business. It sat outside for about 8 or 9 months, them moved into a garage. It never sees the road and is not being used any more, but has a leak under the bathroom sink and the last time I was in it the wood between the fridge and stove looks like it's swelling, so it must have another leak somewhere. I won't name the brand other than it's one of the mainstream manufacturers. Horrible.
Thank You for your time and effort !
This should be required viewing by all RV builders
I’m not a fan of big government at all but I’m dumbfounded how government organizations can micromanage every aspect of the smallest car’s manufacturing process but couldn’t care less about 16,000+ pound trailers that can be pulled by amateurs. I think it’s time we force the hand of one or the other… the government or manufacturers.
Why blame the government? The lobbyist bribes are just high enough to keep any regulation away. People are hot and cold on what government oversight they want.
Absolutely. RV manufacturers don't follow any electrical, plumbing or structural codes, and it shows.
Well it’s not that the car industry delivers better quality product these days… you know how tight regulations are for Airplanes? Well the doors are still flying off… the problem is everything that is Made in the U.S. is expensive junk…
@@freedomisnotnegotiable When the punishments are a small fee, I mean fine, what do you expect?
Profit over people.
Totally agree, been saying that for a very long time.
Glad to see someone had the coconuts to say something, and be so correct about when all the crap started being built,during and after covid!!!!!
Looked at a $500K RV, noticed the cabinets were missing screws in the hinges, shower had a loose valve, kitchen sink was missing the drain pipe under it, just said "thanks, I've seen enough" and walked away.
yep, same kind of crap I've seen
Unbelievable!!!!!😮
Excellent job man keep preaching it and keep updating everything going on with your current rig as well as industry. We need this to clean it up and get it back to the way it was made correctly made solid customer service skills doing the right thing.
Agree 100%, great video. Thank you.
just watched your last video.I agree with most of what you said ,the one exception was that you thought they were better before 2018.I am a retired rv tech 25 years experience, I can tell you they where P.O.S. for a lot longer than that.The real problem started with the big recession, 2006 to 2009 .That period crippled the industry.lots of companies went bankrupt. Thor and forest river bought up everything.They don't care!!!! WINNEBAGO IS DOING ALL IT,CAN TO CATCH DOWN TO THEM.
What about Rockwood?
You are exactly correct!👍
I was at the Tampa show and I completely agree with your observations and seeing what I saw confirmed my choice of the MDC camper.
I agree with you on all points...except on the year models of 2020 built in 2019.
I bought and still own a 2020 "Thor
" Keystone 26RB Campfire in October 2020 one owner that was built in summer of 2019. There is no osb board, all plywood flooring, plywood roof, painted front cap fiberglass wall exterior with exception of rear wall that is only fiberglass exterior. All hardwood cabinet doors but 👎has the pressed paper vinyl cabinet frame that is pocket screwed.
We spent 6 weeks in Arkansas, Tennessee, and 1 month in Smoky's, trips to Florida panhandle etc. No molding issues. It has 2,420 cargo capacity, with 81 gallons fresh water 2 gray tanks.
.....MY POINT is don't rule out campers of 2020 that was manufactured in 2019.
Brinkley is 100% quality made and their owners stand beside them.
Until thor buys them out
Never Happen...
Yes.
Grand Design - same story, well it used to be.
Then GD made a midlevel 5th wheel
Then GD made travel trailers
Then Winnebago bought them out.
The path is whore up the marketshare and make the P&L statement fat and ripe for big daddy parent company aquisition.
Hey Thank you for Helping So Many People. 😊 Thank you for your Honesty and Integrity on what is Truly Happening in the Rv Business Today. Thank you and God Bless 😊🏆
You are so welcome
I hate to say this but......The RV industry needs to be regulated, just like the Automotive industry. They need to be franchises also. The warranties are crap, and they make you sign documents that are highway robbery. Check out the Wingman . Oh, stay away from Camping World, they are the worst! If you drop your wallet in the store, you better kick it out the door before picking it up!!
Something along the lines of a "lemon law" would go a long ways without the overhead of most forms of regulation.
@@sonictech1000 anything is better than what we have now. RV builders have run a muck to long now!
Disagree. Most industries are already over regulated. How about the consumer being allowed to make bad decisions? How about the consumer being better educated? Government regulation will cause a price increase of 20% or more across the board, pricing many out of the market, reducing sales, reducing volume and increasing prices another 20% due to reducing economies of scale. Those who want more regulation are ignorant of economics and don't mind government controlling their lives instead of using their minds.
You are a breath of fresh air! Honesty, what a concept! To lead with honesty, integrity, quality, and open to suggests, this is the approach that works!
Brinkley, thank Gos for Brinkley, because now, you have what works, you can still make money, and build a quality unit! Does Brinkley make mistakes, you bet they do, the difference being what they do about it!
Pre - Brinkley, the only quality brand that existed was Forest River and the Palomino div.,(I might be spelling that wrong?), and their Pause units! Yes, it is an off road camper, but not restricted to, but in addition to it, you have the choice of off roading, or regular camping at a camp site, you can not expect anything but quality from on end to the other.
These companies show us, the consumer, that they can build a better unit, and still stay competitive!
You are absolutely right, stop buying junk, demand better! Happy camping!
I would like to make a comment. We purchased our SnowRiver (made by Northwood RV-same as Arctic Fox) 2016 in 2017. We camp 5 months in the winter in BC at a ski hill (temperatures went to -37 this year). It took up about 5 years of research comparisons to finally pick this trailer that met our needs and price point was amazing for a brand new rig. It is about 32 feet toe to tail. I will say with multiple trips across Canada and States this trailer has been a champ. There has been no issues with its construction, unfortunately, Northwood has discontinued this line. The only thing that we do need fixing are a couple of windows that have developed air pockets and have fogged up a bit. There are no leaks at all. We have completed a few mods for additional winterizing (extra insulation, etc.) This trailer is of such a high quality that they rarely are up for re-sale. It will be worth replacing these two windows as I have no desire to purchase another one. Our friends purchased a Grand Design Reflection two years ago and have had many initial purchase option mistakes and interior construction issues, the craftmanship skill set has a lot to be desired. There does not seem to be a level of pride in workmanship. We will hang on to our true four season trailer, it is a winner.
Thank you for your comments, I very much agree with your analysis. 👍🇨🇦
The reason Northwoods and Arctic Fox are built better is because they are built in Oregon. Not built in Indiana by all the crack heads. During COVID when the RV manufacturers were pumping out units at warp speed they couldn't hire enough help. The manufacturers were so hardup for help one of their incentives to come to work for us was "we don't drug test". Keep buying the crap and they will keep building it.
We have an Outdoors RV (a division of NorthWoods). I couldn’t agree more. We recently went to the RV show in St Louis. I honestly had no desire to go in and see this cheap stuff. Our interior may be dated, but I honestly don’t ever see us buying another.
We have about the same trailer, the Northwood Snow River 246RKS. It is a very well built and solid trailer. The only worry I have for the future is the Schwintek slide system used for the couch. No problems with it yet.
That's why I brought a German Frankia. Mercedes reliability with Frankia build qualities
It's as important to praise the good as well as condemn the bad!
Thanks so much for this information!
So many great points. Thank you. I want Blue Ox to do my inspection.
Give them a call they will help
Wow. I’m shopping around for my Class C. This is eye opening. It makes such sense to purchase pre ‘18. I wasn’t interested in new anyway. But I worked and saved all of my life to live this dream. The industry will suffer for poor quality in the long run. Thank you for this video!😊
93 Chevy C dually CUTAWAY 22' 350 EFI is a great little RV I BOUGHT MINE FOR 7K WITH 80K MI. VERY MANEUVERABLE/DEPENDABLE, NOT OVERLOADED WITH ELECTRONICS AND EMISSIONS SENSORS. THIS ONE WAS USED FOR YEARLY CROSS COUNTRY FAMILY REUNIONS.THE ENLINE FUEL IGNITION SYSTEM IS BEST. PREFERABLY WITH REAR QUEEN BED FLOOR PLAN.
Thank you Sir, we are very appreciative for your honesty and recommendations.
I did bought once a trailer with a detached axle from the frame. It scared the crap out if us, luckily the RV dealer reimbursed me for every penny.
Totally appreciate your advice. 🙏🙏🙏
Thanks for sharing
I agree 100%. There shouldn't be any issues with it off the lot. That's what has to change as well.
We appreciate your honesty!
I appreciate that!
I wish those European RV's could be imported here. They're so minimalist and clean looking. The USA ones are so bulky, full of wood and plastic
Their motor homes have manual transmissions!
@@dam4274 nonsense
@@bertroekhoest8135 They absolutely do. You can find some on here!
@@bertroekhoest8135 I am serious! There are many British reviews you can find on here.
I currently have an 2013 StarCraft travel trailer and except for regular maintenance it is like new still.
Thankfully I purchased a Brinkley G3500. I felt exactly the same about the quality of so many RVs. I’m coming from my 2008 Lance truck camper. I can’t say I’d recommend today’s Lance products. When I first looked at the G3500 the salesman asked if I wanted to look at other brands. I told him not to even bother asking. I’m not interested in crap. He wasn’t surprised or offended by my answer. He simply said that he gets it with a bit of a chuckle.
I have no regrets or buyers remorse.
Keep giving your honest opinion and reviews as it’s very much appreciated.
I want a Brinkley. Don’t have 200k though
The observations you have on these RVs sadly applies to homes belonging to my new neighbors in north Texas in new $1million 3500 sq ft + homes. Junk cabinetry with solid surface tops and expensive fixtures. Not total junk but a far lesser grade of most materials than used in the home I built in late 90s. I have a living quarter horse trailer built in 98 and it has cabinets made from 3/4 plywood with hardwood veneer surface. Screwed and glued together with screws hold hinges securely after it has been towed more than 100k miles. The particle board and OSB materials don't hold screws in RVs or in homes over time.
I would say r.v.s are built for the weekend warriors not fulltimers that put thousands of miles on in a year.
My thoughts exactly,and you see fulltimers going back blm lands or national forest fire lanes i wouldnt take a tractor on
The cr*( rv. Is what you get,regardless. How you use it- is what matters. !
Things are a little bit different in the HDT world. Truck stops are the go to parking. In NV. They have alot of wide spots for truck parking. But I'll be enjoying a 450 square foot home.and I can carry 45,000lbs of personal items. That's water 275g
1/2 cored fire wood. I have 1530 watts of solar and more to put on. Now we bought the trailer when we were still trucking for a living. So the trailer was payed for.
u r spot on correct!! I studied and studied before trading in our 2013 Montana for a 2022 Arctic Fox 28 5C . So far we have had minimal fixes.
The Brinkleys and Luxe trailers are both built very well. There’s a Reason why they are so expensive and heavier than the other brands.
I have Sean several Brinkleys on CZcams with broken frames so there goes that out the window
@@davehuber6949funny, I haven’t. I’ve searched for frame issues on You Tube for Brinkleys and can’t find one.
Maybe I’m not using the right keywords?
@@davehuber6949 where? For someone who can't spell "seen" im concerned.
The layouts aren't great imo
I have not seen any, please send those links.
Thanks for the information. We're waiting for the Brinkley Z Air 285.
Coming soon!
Great video . I went to several RV dealers and looked . They still have 2021 and 2022 still on the lots that are junk and still asking close to MSRP . Weathered and parts robbed off of them . Same with the Automotive industry and homes .
This was the truth! I was just telling my land lord I’m not buying a new RV they’re all crap. 2010 and after I been exposing this to everyone for years already the biggest problem with this is some places have an year restrictions to stay so we need to boycott the campsite so we can keep are older models that still look bran new. I feel sorry for anyone who falls for a new RV😂
Thanks for your in site! I gotta agree. Been watching a lot of the broken frame video's, and I was considering replacing my old 2002 Cougar. I won't be looking at anything past 2018. Love the Brinkley, but way outta my price range.
Thank You! Very informative. I agree, those that what we looked at the quality could be better for the cost. Sales always pointed the little extras, but when asked or hear us mention cheap drawers, and shelves, just ignore us. Very disheartening!
Glad it was helpful!
Hi there First time seeing your channel. Very good video, very informative, and this is the truth. Thank you for sharing with all of us. Let me ask you. Do you feel that airstream is doing l this? Or Are they keeping up with better quality?
Thank you for a great video!!
Thanks for the video good information
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks for sharing this video and I love class a motor home
Our pleasure! Yes, I might be going back to a class A
I agree. I own a four horse trailer with living quarters. It's been pretty good. The refrigerator crapped out.They are way to expensive for what you get.
Only thing I would add is I own a 2020 winnebago travato Class B and it seems ok. It’s built on a 2019 ProMaster but it do believe it was the last of its kind. Great video 👍🏼🇺🇸
Great Job I Have Noticed Rv Quality Going Down For A Long Time
Quality lies in the eye of the beholder. If the beholder is living without ever having experienced what a 'quality'
product is. Good Luck
Very little pride in the build these daze.
Great update 👍
The dollar speaks loud and clear, if they're not making money because sales go down, they will change.
Cheers
Thats the idea
My Wife and I were at Big Tent in Quartzite, Az just a few week back and checked out many A's and C's under 135$ and after looking at them and seeing how poorly they were put together we decided to keep our 2004 class C Tioga.
In all, the workmanship was very poor.
When asked to test the slide in one, it didn't work, and this was new.
We even came close to closing a deal and asked for a few changes on warranty they wouldn't do. We got up and left.
RV can only blame themselves as I'll never buy another.
Thor stopped the Guys that wanted to bring back Silver Streak. Sad. I like my 76 Silver Streak. It's staying with me for awhile. ;-)
Agree completely. My best camper was an 06 Hi LO 24 feet. never a serious problem. I only sold it last year. ( I shouldnt have) Most dealers are outright crooks.
Fantastic video, not buying there junk anymore. Even our 2016 5th wheel the cabinets out junk. Slides aren't much better.
Thanks for your video. We are in the middle of researching the market. I will look into Brinkley but I have noticed there is a high degree of quality in the Bruder and the MDC. Both happen to be Australian companies, but they can be imported
Very good video. Hope you rig gets to where you want. There is another repair facility in Indiana called The Affinity Group. It is rumored they can make the repairs the correct way. Just a thought.
Yes, I've heard of them.
Great video! I think a buyer would be okay with a 2019 and 2020 as well. Our 2020 Entegra was built in 2019 and is a beast with the quality you’d expect.
Thanks for sharing!
Have had a 2011 38ft DRV for 2 years and no problems other than regular maintenance. We have put a lot miles down on western US roads that are rough. It has a real frame under it. It is heavy but doesn't break
DRV has had its frame problems also
Mostly the 40 plus ft 3 axles. And the over loaded ones
@@kenj.8897 but they are the exception not the rule...
Well said!!
Niiiice honest video!!! A whole lot if truths in it too!!!
Completely agree with your opinion on the mass produced cookie cutter RV’s.
Did you do a factory tour at Luxe? Very impressive!!! They only produce 2 rigs per week, excellent quality, construction, components, and warranty. A bit more priceeee than the Brinkley.
Thanks for sharing!!
I have to agree with you about Brinkley. The DW and I recently had the chance to tour a Z3100 and I'll have to say it was one of the best built RV's I've ever seen. So now we are up in the air deciding if we want to purchase a Brinkley, or Montana 3231CK Legacy edition. It's a toss up 🙂
I live in Canada and virtually all of the RVs sold here come from the US. I retired in 2018 and purchased a new Winnebago travel trailer and new F-150. The travel trailer looked really nice, but the quality was lacking. We had it for a couple of years and the hot water heater quit after a few uses. I repaired it and it wasn't long before the decals started to peel on the front and back; the side ones looked OK. The interior faucets looked nice, but were made extremely cheap. The toilet was made out of cheap plastic that squeaked and moaned. The wiring workmanship was verry sloppy, nothing was tidy looking or placed in wire loom. There were lots of screws rolling around and sawdust behind cabinets, etc. I fixed everything but I was concerned that some major issues might happen that would be costly to repair so I sold the truck and trailer. The quality of the truck wasn't all that great either. Due to Civid, I got most of my money back. It was very disappointing. If this product would have been made in China, people would be complaining about "cheap Chinese junk" nonstop. In my situation, the wheels, chassis, tires, windows, etc. were all made in China and worked great. It is unlikely that I will ever buy an RV again, if so, it would probably be an import.
My wife and I just went to our local RV show. What a joke! The ones we saw looked like an institution inside. The wall covering on every one was this grey pattern. The cabinetry was terrible. All the window shade boxes above the windows were crooked. I saw many of the campers had the cheap chinese tires better known as a may pop brand. The workmanship and quality of materials are sub par. If we could see it for what it is, I sure hope others could see what we saw.
We have had five brand new RV’s over the years. We had lots of things wrong with our first one, a 1979 but once the problems were fixed in the beginning, it was a pretty solid travel trailer. As the years have gone by, the quality just kept getting worse. Our most recent one is a 2013 which we bought brand new. Tons of troubles. The dealer and manufacturer felt no compulsion whatsoever to have to fix anything and were mostly pretty rude. Once you drive it off the lot, it’s YOUR PROBLEM!!!! The outside of fifth wheel started delaminating at around four years old. Tough!!!! Your problem!!! Now, it’s probably worthless because no one wants an rv that looks like sh!t on the outside. The bottom line is, they do it BECAUSE THEY CAN!!!!! 😡😡😡😡
We looked at many travel trailers in the 26’ - 30’ range. I couldn’t believe how poorly constructed they are. These were supposed top line manufacturers and series. The salesman stated several times that things could be fixed before delivery. We walked away.
You are on point with video on the current manufacturing quality, I have 2022 Class A with a F53 chassis that now has a broken frame extension put on my MORryde. Researching broken frames its amazing how many 5th Wheel with MORryde had broken frames. I just blessed that the Manufacture is taking care of our issues. Keep doing what you do.
Thanks for sharing
I absolutely love my 2023 Alliance paradigm 385fl. 0 issues so far
Awesome!
I guess we got lucky with our 2017 Lance 2285 trailer.
No major issues in 7 years.
Everything still works, had to reseal skylights with eternabond tape, just had to replace bolts on slide, took 30 minutes.
That's it in 7 years.
Thats because it's PRE Covid 2020.
@@kenuber4014
Also pre REV buyout of Lance..
Actually you bought by before January 2018 when The REV Group bought Lance from the original owner. They used to call Lance a generational Camper. That’s because they were built so well you left them to your children. I had the misfortune of buying one that was made after Rev took over and it spent most of its time in the shop. What a piece of crap. I sold it after 11 months and bought a Nash. I’ve been living in it for three years and it has been a wonderful trailer with no issues. By all means take care of your Lance, it’s not replaceable.
Perfect video
It would be good to hear more about plumbing materials and slide mechanics, too.
I can not think of an industry that will get hit harder by the next recession than the RV sales and manufactures. They are pumping them out while they can.
good video. That's exactly what I see in the RV industry. They put out cr*p; people keep buying them. We won't, and would rather build our own if we have to rebuild all the cr*p they put out anyway. I have been looking at Brinkley but have not seen one yet. Again great info thank you!
FINALLY!!! A CZcams influencer that's got the stamina and courage to call it like it really is. The new RVs are pitiful and suffer from the same malady that has plagued many industries after the recent historical pandemic and supply chain meltdowns. Choices of building materials including the support frames, cabinets, plumbing, electrical and slides are so pathetic that it's embarrassing. Anyone with the slightest concept of house building, and common sense maintenance will stay far away until manufacturers improve to the pre 2000's level and ultimately sorted out.
No, sadly this has been happening for decades already! When you work on these things you see things that make your head spin! In the past they didn't have the cheap, unstable materials they have now! It took a long time for a water leak to ruin the wood and rare its head where you see it! Now this process can happen in months! Some materials are lighter and extremely better like AZDEL, but the bonding process still can cause delamination issues from production. RV's have never been as good or followed standards as well as home building! But quality in each is slipping even if standards have gotten better!
Thanks for your informative tips. In class c drivable’s check out Coach House. After two Born Free’s we just picked up our first 27’ Platinum Coach House at their factory in Florida. While there we toured the plant. Their amazing attention to quality and construction detail was impressive. We are very happy with our Coach House and feel confident that we made a good choice. Best wishes for continued success in providing quality rv user information.
Good advise with buying 2018 used! Thanks
Your welcome. Miss you guys....
@@MyBucketListDay Miss you too!
So, is there a newer super C out there that you would recommend or let's say that would possibly have the least amount of problems. Thanks for the video and information.
Sorry I wish I did, but none that what I've found
Had an RV show last weekend. We saw several used coaches. All were priced $20K above high retail. We laughed. Now we own a 2015 Fleetwood Storm 28 MS. This just did 6000 miles with no problems. Look out there and you can find a good product..
Honestly, loved your comments.
Thanks
High standards, equals durability, trust , reputation, honor .
I’ve watched Winnebago’s and their construction is top quality. Brinkley is great too.
I've got a 2007 forest river Lexington 255 DS , the build quality is so much better then the newer ones. Also have a 2019 forest river Grand Lodge. Quality isn't to bad but not as good as the Lexington. Would not buy anything newer.keeping what I have for now.
YES!!!! They are!!!!!!
This is why I purchased a Grand Design. Quality built and they stand behind their products. 3 years, no issues
I’m a 30 year 5th wheel guy and I’m on my fifth 5th wheel and my 3rd new one. I bought my last one in 2016 to be my last through retirement. I had zero issues with my first two new purchases aside from routine items that wear and tear. I’m most disappointed in my last and most expensive purchase that has cost me a bundle in after i bought it beginning with some expensive repairs within the two year mfg warranty. I had 3 separate tire blowouts on a trip early in that I paid for and ended up replacing all 4 with good US mfg name brand tires. I can’t take mine out on one trip without screws popping out or something falling off. I’m handy and can fix a lot of it. Service after sale is a joke. They sell them but don’t want to work on them unless you book an appointment weeks ahead and leave your trailer with them for a three weeks. I have a retired RV tech that does work for me but it’s still a hassle. Right now, I have a boondock water supply issue that he can’t solve and he’s a month into a blown cooler pack issue on the frig. Parts are expensive, hard to get, etc. in summation, I wish I kept my last trailer and I’d have $50,000 to spend on tow vehicle, fuel and trips. I can highly recommend United States Warranty as they have treated me fairly on my 10 year warranty. I can highly recommend Coach Net roadside plan as they perform as advertised. I also highly recommend Progressive insurance for RVs. I had a leaky roof issue. I’m an insurance guy and figured they would have denied or only paid for patch repair but they paid for an entire RV Armor roof job. My final recommendation is RV Armor roof in Denton, TX. They have a permanent, hail proof, leak proof product. In my opinion, these mfg installed membrane roofs are pure crap. You can develop small water intrusions in multiple places and not notice the damage until way later. These new trailers are slapped together junk and way inferior to my last new purchase late 90’s. I started to trade mine off but didn’t want to shell out $60K difference. I’ll just hope mine hangs together through my retirement and keep throwing money at it. Finally, I’ll recommend older used Cummins diesel trucks. Mine is a 2004 with over 200,000 miles on it and aside from maintenance, batteries and Michelin tires, I’ve spent $3,400 between a new front end suspension and new AC system. Runs like a top and still looks sharp.
I currently own a Dynamax Isata 5 and plan to upgrade to a DX3 in a few years. What is your opinion on the Dynamax product, particularly the larger ones?
When we were in the market for class A we looked at lots of RV we ended up with used Prévost Liberty convention ever the so called high end class A were junk.
I personally like Cedar Creek fifth wheel and most of all there is a man in Topeka IN that just works on Cedar Creek’s. Also I have found that when dealing with the companies office you can catch more flies with honey than vinegar. I visit the factory often when I’m in the area. I sometimes leave a case of wine from my home town. I have had 2 bad campers and I traded out
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you ar right boss. cheap. warranties, dealerships from design to lot a rip off, only bright light is alot going bankrupt, which i hope forces 3 or 4 decent builders to rise from the ashes. the cost is phenomenal for the shoddy craftsmanship and materials used. god forbid you need a warranty of a deal ship to help you out, been looking for past few years the more you learn the more discouraging it gets, a build your own probably the best way to go. older ones built well, but they put the 10 yr rule down
I think that as far as towables are concerned, Airstream and Oliver also make some pretty decent, well constructed rigs. In the Class A and Super C section, you really don't start seeing top shelf quality and construction until you get into the $750,000 MSRP neighborhood.
Our 2010 Winnebago View Profile has exceptional quality. Looked at current units, not even close.
I would buy a older one but I like lots of the newer things on the new campers like the tankless water Mine works great The Jayco app will control my entire trailer From what im seeing most of the major issues are with the Big Buck toy haulers and 5th wheels they are just simply not made to haul the load . I would never get more than a 25 ft RV and the more the RV is Towed the more leaks and stuff will break. If you buy one and set it up and never tow problems are few...
Thank you very much for the advice. My fiance and I are looking at a 2018 class c. Don’t know if we should buy now or wait until something better comes along 🤷🏻♂️
Glad it was helpful! Hold off if you can, I believe in 4 to 6 months you will see a significant drop in price on both new and used RV's. The current state of the RV industry in this economy is going to crash again. Banks are holding or going to raise interest rates and require a min of 10% down due to all the available inventory and the uptick in RV failures.
Will you hit the nail on the head with this I have an older RV on a piece of property I own that I don't move I was getting ready to upgrade it to a new unit I went looking and after seeing the units in the way they're built there's no way I am going to buy one I'm either going to gut my old unit and redo it and build a bunkhouse next to it for an additional living room. There is no way I would buy and spend the money they want for any of the junk that's on the market. I feel so sorry for people that retire and go out and spend a hundred grand on an RV and find out they got nothing but trash
Good overall video.
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We recently ordered a RiverStone Legacy 5th wheel. We did our due diligence. We’ve researched, did a factory tour, etc. We’re impressed with its construction and fit and finish. Did you check those out at the Florida RV Supershow? I think you’ll find their quality equal to, if not better than, Brinkley.
Yes, I have looked at them very closely, way better than most but still not what I would consider acceptable quality. They can do so much better in my opinion. Good looking RV's though...
I will stick with my 2007 pilgrim. It might not be the best material but it was built well. Never had any issues with it.
I have heard 2008 and before is the best for quality.
How is the fit and finish between a high end brinkly and a high end Jayco 5th wheel?
Hi my friend question for you is the frame on a brinkley same one and spec as à momentum !!!
The quality looks very good frame flex or broken frame scare me on going with any f wheels exept à space craft 》with heavy duty truck where everything is air ride trailler ,truck cab air ride ,truck suspension air ride etc !!!
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While both frames are made by Lippert, they are completely different frames and designed very differently. Brinkley is purposely built to last and be durable for years and many miles, and the others build their frames for lowest cost and light duty use. Big Difference...
Just ran across your post. Well, I really hate too say this about my Class C, because I may be eating crow.... But, I ordered a new 2022 Tiffin Wayfarer RV in 2021. Took 11 months to get it. One reason was MB had issues getting some parts for the chassis and were only sending to the US manufactures about 10 to 11 at a time. Now, that being said, after talking with Tiffin often during this time, Tiffin had just wait for the chassis to arrive. Once arriving, they began building the coaches. I want to believe they took more time building these and inspecting them. I have to say, my Class C has had very few minor things to fix. It was also just before Thor bought Tiffin and before Bob Tiffin was not longer involved as much. Maybe I just got lucky, don't know. But, being on the Wayfarer Facebook channels, so many newer models have had so many major issues. I took my RV to Wayfarer's facility for warranty work and they were fantastic and even checked over the RV and caught some minor things they fixed. I just hope I got lucky. I am a widow, 78. My late husband and I have had RV's since the 70's. Class C's and a Class A. Thankfully, I am not a newbie to the RV world.
Thanks for your comments. I wish you the best of luck.
What is your thoughts on some of the terrible rubber roofs?huge maintenance large potential for leaks
I'm waiting for Ikea to offer a commercial claa B conversion pack.
At least we'll know what we're getting.
Did you look at nucamp? I know they are small but of all the units i have owned. They have the best quality for the price.