Why Intelligence Fails

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  • @DangRockets
    @DangRockets Před 5 lety +8

    A thought provoking and fascinating discussion.
    As usual, the answer is complicated and many faceted, which is how many things also happen to be.
    No doubt this will not satisfy those who come to the subject with a preconceived idea of how things should work in a much more black and white way.

  • @klk1900
    @klk1900 Před 10 měsíci +1

    After watching this again. His view of the agency is actually correct and the bald guy is immediately emotional about the issue so he can’t see past the bias

  • @TheDavidlloydjones
    @TheDavidlloydjones Před 11 měsíci

    How wonderful to hear this man twice, from his mouth and then echoed from the wall behind him.
    If a speech is worth hearing, it's worth hearing with a full woing-woing-woing.

  • @vikrantvijit1436
    @vikrantvijit1436 Před 3 lety

    A very honest conversation about critical issues of concern highlighting how Intelligences failures and successes impact the real life works in best interests of nation people's.

  • @berkoyt6397
    @berkoyt6397 Před 4 lety

    very well done

  • @milogardner
    @milogardner Před 7 měsíci

    Enjoyed the video. Watching two linguist oriented analysts
    give incomplete yes, no bivalent responses to important
    WMD type data questions that "called out" for gap filling
    yes, no, maybe analyses. Obvious oversights pained
    my MBA trained intellect.
    That is, NSA and CIA have not translated "intercepts "
    beyond bivalent biases, and seem unprepared to consider
    adding trivalent translations, a truth table form of logic
    embedded in Google translate. Math historians strive to
    read ancient Egyptian math texts as originally written,
    efforts since 2001 that have cleared up overlooked
    Egyptian number theory, missed my bivalent linguists
    since 1927. Abstract algebra based number theory was
    taught to Greeks and its mythical Cassandra characters
    have been confirmed over 60 times in the RMP by adding
    back missing scribal shorthand steps (by thinking outside
    the box ...by applying trivalent logic).

  • @LivingDead53
    @LivingDead53 Před 4 lety +1

    I know it would be difficult, but could they have an amnesty box to voice their complaints with evidence that gets reviewed? I think foresight could also come from computer simulations.

  • @harshjones1688
    @harshjones1688 Před 4 lety

    I love Lowenthal! My favourite scholar

  • @argosfalcon
    @argosfalcon Před 10 lety +6

    A very surprisingly open discussion on the process of Intelligence and national policy, and the many ways who wants to hear what rather than looking at the data and not inserting a political which colors or distorts whats being presented.

    • @mhljones
      @mhljones Před 10 lety

      Thanks, William. Glad you found it useful.

    • @argosfalcon
      @argosfalcon Před 10 lety +1

      your welcome, when I look at a variety of issues it's not where things went well, it's where the failure occurs that carries more information that's useful. And to see a respectful exchange of views that's refreshing. and promotes understanding of a issue.

    • @uploadJ
      @uploadJ Před 5 lety

      Grammarly.

    • @dailytruth2073
      @dailytruth2073 Před 5 lety +1

      Do a background check on Milo Jones. Why was he forced out of the USMC?

  • @James_Bowie
    @James_Bowie Před 4 lety +2

    At 39:00 where Lowenthal talks about the CIA allowing policy makers to avoid major crises, he very conveniently omits mention of the major crises that the Dulles CIA engineered and the blowback from which still bedevils the USA today. (Read 'The Brothers' by Stephen Kinzer.)

  • @eugeneobrien6693
    @eugeneobrien6693 Před 5 lety +3

    A lot of weird comments here. I am going to buy the book, Cassandra is definitely a thing

  • @James_Bowie
    @James_Bowie Před 4 lety +2

    At 43:58 Lowenthal: "We [the CIA] had reams of memos about Al-Qaeda ... warning about the threat to the United States proper" -- but nothing was done about it.

  • @petekdemircioglu
    @petekdemircioglu Před 2 lety +1

    Mine doesnt

  • @ninirema4532
    @ninirema4532 Před rokem

    very great interview🌋🏔🌏🏕🏝

  • @Erritae
    @Erritae Před 4 lety +4

    Is it me or is Lowenthal rather rude in upstaging Jones who is, by the way, the invited speaker? There's presenting an audience with one's own alternative perspectives (if asked to do so) and then there's a blithe cutting down of another's work. Lowenthal's conduct is of the latter.

    • @zekeleonardo48
      @zekeleonardo48 Před 2 lety +1

      Sorry to be so off topic but does anyone know a way to log back into an instagram account..?
      I stupidly lost my password. I love any tips you can give me!

    • @zekeleonardo48
      @zekeleonardo48 Před 2 lety

      @Michael Duncan Thanks for your reply. I got to the site through google and im waiting for the hacking stuff atm.
      Looks like it's gonna take quite some time so I will reply here later with my results.

    • @zekeleonardo48
      @zekeleonardo48 Před 2 lety

      @Michael Duncan It did the trick and I now got access to my account again. I'm so happy:D
      Thanks so much, you saved my ass :D

    • @michaelduncan1230
      @michaelduncan1230 Před 2 lety

      @Zeke Leonardo happy to help :)

    • @klk1900
      @klk1900 Před 10 měsíci

      Your exactly correct I saw that also. So EMOTION: happy/sad/mad/. Or in this case some Anger = HURT, FEAR, OR FRUSTRATION. -. You can tell he’s immediately emotional and acts like a typical arrogant agency know it all where they are so deep in the swamp they are incapable of getting a non bias opinion. Understand intelligence is a lot like politics. I’ve seen several intel analysis that swear 100% that X is the answer all to find out years later it was completely wrong. ***Like in Iraq they said this building is a chemical weapons factory! Because the massive air handling units on the roof. ))) well we raid the place all to find out it’s a Iraqi 4-h /FFA type-Club ***. Not one of the analyst had the common sense to say “You know what it’s 120*F in the summer, that’s probably why they have huge A/C units on the roof!” Instead they said it was for ventilation of chemical weapons. This is just an example. Everything Jones says is like 99% accurate btw. But lowen is so emotionally charged he’s incapable of taking any criticism

  • @cogoid
    @cogoid Před 5 lety +3

    1:23:00 Most people who voted for war in Iraq, did not read the CIA assessment on WMD
    1:25:24 _"It takes a special kind of person to run for a public office in the USA today... And that kind of person frequently is not interested in nuance, or even facts, much less truth."_

    • @KevinBalch-dt8ot
      @KevinBalch-dt8ot Před 4 lety

      If everyone THOUGHT Iraq had WMDs, didn’t this skew the analysis? Why was every piece of evidence (Niger yellowcake, mobile poison gas trucks, drones, chemical attacks in 15 minutes, aluminum tubes for centrifuges etc.) wrong in the direction of supporting the war? You would have been better off flipping a coin. Why was Curveball believed even though German intelligence repeatedly warned he was a fabricator? What exactly did Colin Powell vet during the three days he camped out at the CIA?

  • @KevinBalch-dt8ot
    @KevinBalch-dt8ot Před 4 lety +1

    Pearl Harbor may have been an intelligence failure but it was an operational success since it accomplished FDR’s goal of getting the US into the Second World War by having Japan strike the first blow. Even FDR’s admirers admit that he was provoking the Japanese to strike. He was doing the same to the Germans but they didn’t take the bait.

  • @alvinsmith1486
    @alvinsmith1486 Před 4 lety +1

    great pr these museum shows.golly, i guess you folks ain't so bad after all!!!

  • @ninirema4532
    @ninirema4532 Před rokem

    Very nice 🙏🥭🍌🍓🥒🌽🌽🍅🍅🌽🍒🍑🍋🍊🍋🍊🍍🍏🍆🍇🍇🥬🍈🦅🦅🙏

  • @icarustheother8591
    @icarustheother8591 Před 2 lety

    Excuse me but did you just say your name was Vincent Snowden what the hell oh my God

  • @icarustheother8591
    @icarustheother8591 Před 2 lety

    And strangely enough it was 411 when I asked that question. Damn I got to do more research now some b****

  • @LethalBubbles
    @LethalBubbles Před rokem

    the competition guy is the problem

  • @robertwatson7987
    @robertwatson7987 Před 5 lety +1

    Just put (almost) everything on-line: transparent, free and open. And folks online can then make their own policy decisions. End of the corporate nonsense.

  • @250txc
    @250txc Před 4 lety

    The bearded one gave no answer on how they got the wmd question wrong, he used the excuse that everyone else was wrong also;

    • @harshjones1688
      @harshjones1688 Před 4 lety +1

      250txc Lowenthal has written several articles on the matter... check them out, he’s brilliant!

  • @chrisrosenkreuz23
    @chrisrosenkreuz23 Před 2 lety +1

    "why didn't we know 9/11 was going to happen?"
    it is widely known that we did.

  • @ninirema4532
    @ninirema4532 Před rokem

    🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🌻🌻🌻🌼🌼🌼🌻🥬🥬🥦🍎👌

  • @LivingDead53
    @LivingDead53 Před 4 lety

    Well, you guys should feel really speshal with Snowden, Manning, abnormal psychology, summoned, demonic chick. I managed to get a clearance, and so did everyone else. When I talked to the lady, I was delusional, and she didn't catch that. As far as failure goes, Snowden should realize that they have to watch everything. Bad programming. The music is not making us look good and appears to be a bomb, too. I'll keep doing it because I'm pissed.

  • @ellethekitten
    @ellethekitten Před 6 lety +4

    I found this speaker boring

  • @abathens
    @abathens Před 2 lety

    That NAACP (cave people) joke was cringeworthy.

  • @ChrisGroggyCreaser
    @ChrisGroggyCreaser Před rokem

    What About the Vietnam + Aghanistan DEBACLES???????????????..... :(

  • @icarustheother8591
    @icarustheother8591 Před 2 lety

    And strangely enough it was 411 when I asked that question. Damn I got to do more research now some b****