Alec Baldwin to Be Charged for the Rust Film Shooting? | LAWYER EXPLAINS
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- On October 27, 2022, the Santa Fe Sheriff's Department gave its investigative file on the Rust film shooting incident over to the Santa Fe County District Attorney's Office. Will the DA pursue criminal charges against anyone, including Alec Baldwin, over the death of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins? Do you think Baldwin should be charged? And if they do, what are the things that have come out that are both for and against Alec Baldwin?
TIME STAMPS:
0:00 - Introduction
0:25 - Background
3:34 - Alec Baldwin Hasn't Helped Alec Baldwin
4:22 - The George Stephonopoulos Interview
5:38 - The FBI Report
9:04 - Medical Examiner's Report
12:55 - Film Sets
15:50 - Final Thoughts
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#AlecBaldwin #HalynaHutchins #RustShooting
Even though no one had any bad intentions towards the victim, Halyna Hutchens, MULTIPLE people contributed to her death. They each failed to do their particular job responsibly and with due diligence.
If only ONE person connected to that gun had done the right thing that day, Halyna would still be with her family. So, who gets held responsible when so many share in the blame? Maybe no one.
I feel terrible for EVERYONE affected by this tragedy. Their lives will be changed forever.
I think that they all should be found guilty of negligence
@@jfhucka1 I agree it's negigence on the part of everyone involved in that chain of custody however I also recall hearing someone say that where inherently dangerous objects/activities are concerned negligence=recklessness (which would be criminal). I am very interested in seeing how a jury would rule here.
I have handled firearms since I was a kid. It's ALWAYS been stressed to me to believe that it is loaded, regardless of what others have said. Even if I was on set and the Armor said, "It's cleared." I would still check myself. Filled with blanks? I would check each one of those, reload the blanks, then be ready. What is a couple of minutes of time compared to the years you took from someone, and the pain and suffering you brought to their family and loved ones? Just 1 freaking minute!!! Or less. That's all it would have taken Alec to prevent this tragedy.
As someone who has handled multiple firearms (Baldwin) he should have known better. I'm sure he feels bad (although some of the follow up interviews were a little sketchy), but in the end, he didn't follow the known SOP for handling the weapon and ultimately is the one who pulled the trigger.
@@chrismc3744 thank you, we all know not to point a gun and fire it without first checking it. I'm shocked how many people argue that.
yes but remember Reed was NOT PERMITTED to perform her job...they did not even let her in the room when she was supposed to be there? i don't know how she can be charged when she wasPREVENTED from performing her duties?
I’m not sure how to feel. I think a lot of safety protocols in place were ignored. I was always taught that you treat a gun any type as always loaded no matter what. I think a lot of people are at fault and it’s sad that someone lost their life because of it.
Anyone with a cursory understanding of weapons safety knows the responsibility lies with the end user. Just because other checks and redundancies failed doesn't mean Baldwin himself wasn't derelict in basic weapons handling safety checks when he received the weapon.
Most men of my generation were taught as boys of 7 or 8 years old to always assume a gun is loaded and never point a gun directly at a person or oneself without checking to make sure it is clear. Maybe Alec grew up in NYC or someplace where boys were not taught this, I don't know.
@@continentalgin To be fair maybe for the purposes of filmmaking the instance may arise where you have to brandish a weapon and possibly point it in the general direction of them if not actually square at them. The obvious caveat being that the weapon should also be made sufficiently safe prior to which probably means at least no live ammunition if not a removal of working parts like the firing pin so as to inhibit its ability to actually fire whilst also keeping it in a presentable manner for film optics.
@@waynemorgan6153 Exactly.
He knew enough to lobby against gun ownership he knew enough to know not to point a loaded gun at a person and pull the trigger. It was negligence and 100% of that falls on him. Even if others failed he was the one holding the gun and also 100% responsible for it
On October 27, 2022, the Santa Fe Sheriff's Department gave its investigative file on the Rust film shooting incident over to the Santa Fe County District Attorney's Office. Will the DA pursue criminal charges against anyone, including Alec Baldwin, over the death of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins? Do you think Baldwin should be charged? And if they do, what are the things that have come out that are both for and against Alec Baldwin?
If nobody is charged it will send a signal that it's ok to cut corners at the expense of safety, as long as you can somehow muddy the waters as to who is actually responsible for what. That would just be disgusting in my opinion!
@@zaqsdk More along the lines of real life. Trying to prosecute a host of people for the death of someone they unintentionally had a hand in killing is hard, primarily because you have to show someone(s) really !@#$ed up to an unreasonable degree, because, people are going to be very reasonable on the jury.
/me pins Alyte's comment.
@@zaqsdk Well.. stunt men/women Already have it rough as is. Rarely do they even get mentioned in series/movies. And there's many times where they've gotten injured and no compensation or insurance is given.
One of the most famous cases was the stunt women (Olivia Jackson) for the Resident evil movies. Which ended in a disaster.
Guilty. Negligent homicide. (1-2-3) Blatant disregard for film set safety protocols. (4-5-6-7) Not checking gun. POINTING. Cocking gun. Pulling trigger. Gross negligence.
Exactly!
If you had held a gun 3000 times and shoot and you are used to that and on movie sets and you pay someone to check the gun you wouldn't spend time to check everytime
It's his job to use guns on movie sets
@@mrrosenthal85 Because that's not how it works in the real world, and actors shouldn't get special treatment. I can't just pay somebody to check my guns for me and then blame them when it goes off. Even if we allowed that, he still completely disregarded protocol. The armourer wasn't in the room, and he wasn't supposed to be firing the gun in that scene. There was no need for him to pull the trigger.
@@mrrosenthal85 that's actually not the industry standard or the union guidelines.
It's his job to check
Sad thing is, he'll get off
As Alyte said, "accident" also applies to car accidents. Car accidents often lead to criminal prosecution. People can be at fault even for an accident. The only thing the classification as "accident" by the medical examiner would make hard to prove in court is any kind of intent, but I don't think anyone really believes Baldwin wanted to kill Hutchins.
An accident is an unintended action. The medical examiner is making a guess at that point. When a car accident happens the medical examiner isnt checking to make sure the brakes work when the driver claims they failed. Theyll take the statement that it was an accident as being most likely true and label it an accident. Unless there is clear evidence it was a homicide it shouldnt be labeled as such.
Yes, I'm sure Alec Baldwin would openly shoot Hutchins in front of everyone on a set. Is it even a thought that he planned to kill her.
Maybe not kill but injure perhaps 🤔 I hope Baldwin is charged with negligent homocide- a chance occurrence secondary to gross negligence
@@idacoetzee another reason why you aren't in the court case for this.
@@supernova743 he pointed a loaded gun at someone and pulled the trigger.
His recklessness led to a death. That's literally unintentional manslaughter.
Additionally, it would be homicide regardless because her death was caused by a person.
Homicide and murder aren't the same thing
A concise and well done review of the case. Best I’ve heard so far, Thank You!
Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed it!
Alyta, you should cover the lawsuit filed by the armorer against the ammo supply company - it is full of very interesting allegations. Some of her allegations about what went down are supported by text messages between Reed and the "armorer mentor". Some of what she alleges is pretty wild, but she does make interesting allegations about the box of ammo that she says mysteriously appeared on the supply cart on the morning of this incident. That box of ammo, according to Reed was found to have a handful of additional live rounds in addition to the one that ended up in the gun.
This seems like a rough line to argue. To suggest a box of ammo bypassed the armory custody chain, the supply company dropped it off on the cart with no documentation, sounds far fetched. According to previous reports the ammo and firearms were left out and moved around without proper custody on the set. So it’s going to be a tough argument.
A dingbat with a Gun isn’t an armorer 🤣
Unfortunately for her I think she is stuck holding the bag since she didn't nut up and resign after being prevented in the execution of her duties (such as not being allowed in the building due to cv-restrictions capping the number of people allowed inside). It's a harsh lesson but I think anyone taking on a position with inherent responsibility for life and death should step away the moment their superiors sabotage their working conditions and they should also tell them in no uncertain terms to look for another scapegoat. Edit: I personally don't think she was ready for the job though and having ammo appear on set in any way except through her handling of it tells me there was a failure of leadership both on her part and others since she effectively allowed her position to be undermined to this extent.
@@mythoceanas8874 no, she doesn’t say that at all . For goodness sakes can’t people read actual words before assuming things that aren’t said? Read the lawsuit . She doesn’t say the ammo company delivered it to the set. Her suit clearly says the ammo was normally picked up by herself, but she doesn’t know who or how that new box got in the cart. But then admits that is the ammo she loaded into the gun. There is clear chain of custody from that point forward. She loaded that live round. After the accidental shooting additional live rounds were found in that same box.
@@mythoceanas8874 what “reports”? No such official statements exist anywhere. I think you may be getting “facts” from opinion sources instead of law enforcement investigation sources.
Perfect analysis, fair and balanced, beautifully articulated and best of all - easy to understand! As always Alyte, you rock!😎
This took me back to the trial daily updates you did. You’ve always done great with these update videos. Great info. Thank you 😊
Great recap
I just found your channel and subbed immediately! Love your comments on this case and your legal insights. I’m torn about this case and don’t know how to process everything. Ms. Hutchison is dead and Mr. Souza was injured by a bullet that came out of the gun Baldwin was holding. Why wasn’t the Armourer there for the shot? Did the Assistant Armourer physically check the gun or did he think the Armourer had already done that so he didn’t check? Why was there a live round in the chamber of the gun? Where did it come from? Who put a live round into the gun? How can anyone tell what a live round looks like compared to a fake bullet? If there isn’t a direct way, I think for the safety on movie sets there needs to be a marker of some sort on the bullet to tell that it’s not a live round at a glance so this never happens again. Bruce Lee and his son Brandon were both shot with live rounds on movie sets and died because of it. There are so many issues that need to be explained and I hope the court can make sense of this tragedy. No one had to be hurt that day, so why did this happen?
Thank you! I have always thought the Medical Examiner's report about "manner of death" was distinct from any legal definitions, but never had a clear explanation as you have given here. Hopefully, media people will learn this as well.
I was raised in a home with loaded weapons. We were taught very young to treat every gun as loaded. Where Mr. Baldwin losses me is if he was pointing to line up a shot. Why did he draw back the hammer? What was the need for that?
Why even point it toward people? There is no need for that in filmmaking, and film industry rules prohibit it.
@@GH-oi2jf Oh, I agree with that. Perhaps this is just my interpretation, but the way Baldwin was explaining. He was being asked to hold the gun up to prep the camera angle for the scene to be shot. Now! Even if he had not pulled back on the hammer, lined up the shot without incident. They would have shot the scene. I think, cause I have never filmed ever, but I think the trigger would have been pulled during the filming of that scene and there still would have been tragedy. However, what I was trying to ineffectively say was. Why is he pulling the hammer back in a scene prep? Live ammo or not. Wouldn't this question play to intent? For a scene prep there was no reason his finger should have been on the trigger or pulling the hammer back. I may very well be wrong, but I would love to learn why.
I've worked on film sets before and especially in the case of a low budget movie or one angling to be produced with a tight budget, but to yield high profits because of a marquee factor (Alec Baldwin, for example), things can get dangerously loose and relaxed. It is common to find inexperienced crew in a low budget production. In contrast, a high budget production crew will be phenomenally professional in every way. So, what happens with low budget films is that crew can get careless and sloppy, mainly because they are trying to get as much usable film in the can as possible, every day. Often, they work many overtime hours and are constantly tired, even somewhat forgetful as they plow through each day's scenes and shots. It is not uncommon for such crews to let off steam after hours in drunken revelry. Stories from the RUST production are that some crew protested unsafe conditions and quit, many crew were disgruntled about motel accommodations and quit over that, and that the after hours drunken revelry included shooting the guns at tin cans and so forth. After a night of sport target shooting, were unused cartridges sloppily left loaded in the revolver Alec thought was unloaded? In this case, the armorer, the assistant director, and Alec Baldwin were probably, but I can't say for sure, at fault. Certainly, the standard gun safety rules of Hollywood, which have been well established and well known in the industry for many decades, were negligently disregarded. One would think that would constitute manslaughter or some form of unintentional homicide. They could pin it on one of three or all three or more than three people, including Alec Baldwin.
I have also experienced this - anyone who has come up in film usually has experience with working on these underfunded- high expectation jobs. I worked 26 consecutive, non stop hours on my first job and ...the list goes on.
Alec Baldwin, as an executive producer had the power and, I believe, a responsibility to ensure a 'safe set'. In what sane world does it sound safe to hire an Armourer to also be the Property Master?
@@MAYK1NG Correct! I worked on low budget films before getting into television. Young, inexperienced college kids or recent graduates eager to get into film will find an opportunity with a low budget production to get into the business. It is sometimes like slave labor and often unsafe. Not to mention ridiculous, egomaniacs-with-no-good-reason-to-be who make life miserable.
I hope they leave Alec Baldwin alone. He's been through enough
@@MAYK1NG Alec was given a producer credit because he helped with the story of the film.
I don't think an actor can be at fault for something other people should KNOW, as it's their JOB, to be sure about.
David Hall now claims he didn't hand Baldwin the gun and didn't say it was " cold ", because Baldwin already had his gun on him . Also, the armorer had requested the gun from Baldwin that morning in order to inspect it, but he refused to let her check it, even though she had asked him repeatedly. She was not at the church when the shooting took place, as she had been sent away to perform other duties required by him when he first hired her. Those 2 should not be charged with anything. Baldwin is 100% culpable for her murder.
Sounds like Baldwin's lying if that's true, and I personally believe it is.
@@dankodde6721 This may explain why it took him 9 MONTHS to turn his cell over to the police. He received a subpoena in December 2021 and refused to hand it over until August 2022. (Despite his claims that he was fully cooperating with the investigation)
completely agree with this. baldwin has a rocky reputation in the media. it is my opinion that he is a crappy human being based on what i have read and what my gut tells me. i definitely think that he should be charged for murder 1. the conspiracy theorist in me thinks this was done premeditated due to something that Halyna had on him. i think he is so arrogant that he thinks he can get away with murder right in front of numerous witnesses. and he very well may. i just hope that someone faces a jury for this. for Halyna's memory and her family's sake.
Fantastic overview with lots of on point information!
Finally a crystal clear explanation of this on going drama etc. Its about time someone said all of this. No stone unturned. Thank you.
Very nice video... I enjoy your content
Thank you!
Good summary! Thanks LB.
Thanks, I'm glad you liked it!
@@LegalBytesMedia I have and will be supporting you 100 percent moving forward. Godspeed LB/A.
It is very sad. No one intended this to happen. I would argue that lack of risk assessments are a management failing
And Alec Baldwin *was* management. He's a producer on the film and reportedly fobbed off his safety duties to other people who worked for him and it wasn't their place.
I like the video editing. Looking good! What software did ya use to edit? 😌🙂
It's astounding how many mistakes had to be made in order for all of this to happen in the first place. One question I have is why were there live rounds on the set at all?
i think the armorer claims that the pack of bullets supplied to the set (or that specifically "appeared" on the cart that day) had live rounds mixed in with the blanks, perhaps due to a manufacturing error
Appreciate your clarity, Alyte!
No problem! Thanks for watching!
I know she's great !
Every firearm safety course in the country has these basic rules
:1. ALWAYS KEEP YOUR FIREARM POINTED IN A SAFE DIRECTION.
2. TREAT ALL FIREARMS AS IF THEY WERE LOADED.
3. KEEP YOUR TRIGGER FINGER OUTSIDE THE GUARD AND OFF OF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOU ARE READY TO FIRE.
If you break one of these rules, you are held accountable whether you kill or injure someone or not. Once you have possession of a firearm you are responsible for anything negligent or accidental discharge. There is no reason that can be given to justify Alec Baldwin not being charged with negligent homicide or New Mexico law equivalent. The last time I checked, movie sets are not their own country exempt from state and federal law. Anything less is just another example of rules for me but not for thee. I would have half expected a lawyer such as yourself to address this.
Are you sure a jury will see it that way? Thats all that matters.
Why was there live rounds ever on set? Like for what reason?
Alec's Dad, was a shooting instructor since before Alec was born.
I'm sure that Alec knew firearms very well.
We are taught, no matter what,
when handed a firearm,
always make sure that it is uploaded
and then treat it like it's still loaded.
Never point at anything that you don't want to shoot.
The film industry says that you haven't got the time to check if it is unloaded, but that would be breaking firearm protocol.
Having the armorer off doing her other job???, only makes the film producer negligent in one more way.
I've shot competitively for thirty years. NOBODY every handles a gun without checking to see whether it is loaded and NOBODY points a loaded gun at anyone. That the situation was a movie set is a trivial distinction. There are blank (no primer, no powder, no bullet) cartridges used for center-fire guns to allow the hammer to be stored with the spring released. NOBODY given a gun with one of these blanks and told it's a blank will point it at someone without removing and physically inspecting the blank. FYI "Prop" = "property of the film company."
Took long enough.
If this was an “ordinary person” they would of been arrested immediately!
Know what else is disgusting? AB received a subpoena last December to turn his cell over to the authorities. He REFUSED to do so for 9 MONTHS. Had you or I refused, we' would have been thrown in jail immediately.
From what I can remember watching/reading about this case, they were short handed and the armorer had to fill two positions that day. From what I can remember (i could be off) I think they said she was fulfilling duties also as the wardrobe person and wasn't on set when the shooting happened.
I though her family had made an agreement with Alex Baldwin to drop the matter?
In a civil filing maybe, but not the criminal case side of things.
They reached a settlement on the civil suit brought by Halyna Hutchins' family, but the criminal case is up to the DA as to whether they want to pursue it.
It's as if I can hear Trump laughing in the background of all this.
Do you know anyone else who can shoot and kill one and severely injure another and not be in jail right now? Accident or not!
The biggest liability is who allowed real bullets to be on a movie set. Actors pull triggers on gun with blanks. How could he be responsible for being an actor on a set using a gun thinking it had a blank or was unloaded?
1. It's literally his job to double check
2. He ignored all his training and pointed a loaded weapon directly at someone (blanks kill too), then pulled the trigger.
That's reckless.
His reckless acts lead to a death.
That's called manslaughter 🤣
@@ChristopherShaffer1 I don’t know if there are written protocols for the handling of weapons on the set. I agree if it isn’t it should be. Would he know if it was loaded with blanks vs. real bullets. What reasonable person would expect real bullets to be on a set? If he knew they were out firing the guns with real ammo or if there is proof he was trained to check the firearm and there was a written protocol I would agree with you. Even not knowing he could be charged with manslaughter.
Considering she was filming wouldn’t there a be a video of this happening? Maybe she wasn’t at the time and I’m wrong but I feel like with all those cameras something had to be recorded
Alex was the producer and main actor. He is responsible but they will say it was an accident someone else’s fault.
They were rehearsing. The shooting was not filmed.
Ultimately its the armourer that has been negligent in her work. However if the assistant director broke protocol and bypassed the armourers duty, its the assistant director responsibility. I dont feel in anyway its Alecs fault. Its was a rehearsal and he was meant to have a gun that had nothing in it and was clean. He was told this. That is why the cinematographer and director were standing where they were. Nobody expected the gun to have Anything in it especially a bloody live round. Now the armourer is suing the gun suppliers because it had live rounds in a box that was just meant to have blanks. So she maintains. Ultimately I think she may have been bypassed by the assistant director so couldn't do her job properly. I dont think Alec is responsible. I think its the armourer and the assistant director and maybe the gun suppliers.
The firing mechanism on a revolver, especially an old revolver, and including some modern firearms (though there have been MANY design requirements to prevent an accidental discharge of this nature), CAN indeed cause the firing pin to impact the primer cap setting off the round. For instance the 1911 even in up to the mid 70s, possibly later, had (has) a flaw where if dropped particularly on the rear of the slide where the hammer lives, a discharge is likely if the gun has a round ready to fire. Unless that specific .45cal had a striker plate (not something that was put into guns in the era that firearm was produced), the user can 'fiddle with' the hammer drawing it back to just before the first seer landing and release it. It is this position that needs to be tested. Its Baldwins ADMITTED fiddling with the hammer that defeated the safety of the series of seer catches (the clicks that are used as smoke screen to sway those who do not understand firearms) of which the first one is explicitly for holding the hammer in a position it cannot impact the firing pin (why would the hammer be held at a distance that did not have enough force to potentially fire the round? That seer is the first line of defense to shooting yourself in the hip when your hammer catches your shirt in the saddle). And his ADMITTED release of the hammer just before it fired that is the only possible cause of accidental discharge. Period. These are not opinions up for debate. These are facts as to how a firearm operates.
And yes, I did hear the bit about the FBI report, you can stop typing now. Id have to question exactly what failure modes were tested. Because barely pulling the hammer back and letting go is a known accidental discharge failure mode. You know that cowboy move of swiping the free hand over the hammer and firing in rapid succession? How do you think that is done? And do you assume the cowboy pulls the hammer back to the last seer position every time? Have you ever tried it? I recommend wearing gloves. That move only has to rotate the cylinder and cause the locking pawl to extend. Which is less than the total movement of the hammer. Now imagine if you didnt need to rotate the cylinder and just fire the round currently in front of the firing pin? How far do you think you'd need to pull the hammer back? Its a lot less than you think........ It doesnt take very much force to set off a primer, they are literally impact explosives meant to set off a powder charge....
Intent and culpability are up to the courts to decide. However, it is fact Baldwins fiddling with the hammer caused the discharge. There is no other possible mechanical means to fire that gun 'unintentionally'. At all. Period. Look up the mechanical schematics of a Colt .45 of that era, and show us another way..... Ill wait.......
PS - GUNS ARE DANGEROUS!!! THEY DO NOT THINK. THEY DO NOT FEEL. THEY ARE MACHINES MEANT TO THROW THINGS VERY FAST, VERY FAR. IT IS THE OPERATOR THAT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE SAFE HANDELING OF THAT MACHINE. GUN SAFETY STARTS WITH WHO EVER IS HOLDING IT. DO NOT EVER TOUCH THE HAMMER UNLESS YOU ARE READY TO FIRE!!!!! DO NOT POINT A GUN AT ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO KILL. THIS INCLUDES BLANKS. BLANKS ARE NOT SAFE. GUNS ARE NOT SAFE!!!
PSS - I love guns, and ballistics. However I despise anyone who does not treat them with the respect the deserve, or views them as some short cut to power. Yes, I do own firearms. Yes, including a .32cal revolver (though produced much later than that Colt .45). No, I have never had an accidental discharge. No, I never store or show my firearms with ammunition in them. Thats how people die. Yes, they are all in a safe. Yes, all of them. If you handle firearms, respect their ability to kill. Do not blindly trust the weapon. EVER! People are dumb, and guns do not think. Guns do not kill people of their own free will, its a pointy bit of metal pushing into a primer cap igniting a powder charge, and the expanding gas accelerating anything in front of that gas towards whatever the muzzle is pointing at that kills people. Whos responsible for that? The answer is whoever is holding the weapon. These facts are not up for debate. These facts cannot be denied.
In the interview footage you can see his finger is bent as he is recalling the event suggesting the trigger was depressed and the hammer was fanned
What the prosecutors should point out is that Baldwin was angry at Hutchens at this point. Given Baldwins issues with anger, it could explain why the other people responsible for safety on the set allowed this glitch to happen in the first place. Experienced prosecutors would pressure the other actors to admit that they were under pressure by Baldwin to stage this as an accident.
Apperentally a protest happened. Heaven knows modern protests usually involving hoping to ruin someone in the most heinous ways. People always want to be right these days and not be wronged for their big special ego so it doesn't even phase me that protestors would do this kind of thing.
Why was he angry with her ?
@@cutypieable Because she was advocating for better housing arrangements for the actors and workers. That's a big no no!
I agree, this is an acciddent
You have to test THE gun not A gun
Where did this gun come from in the first place?
Anyone who knows basic firearms safety knows that Baldwin's responsibility does not end with someone telling him that the gun being handed to him is unloaded. Anyone handling a gun must assume it is loaded until he or she has verified visually (and preferably physically, with a finger) that it is not loaded. Baldwin did not check the revolver chambers, so his behavior was reckless and therefore constitutes a homicide.
The assistant armorer's negligence may have contributed to Hutchins' death - which will be a legitimate factor in any civil lawsuit - but his negligence does not absolve Baldwin of his own criminal recklessness. It will be very difficult for the defense to show that someone with Baldwin's experience with firearms on sets did not understand that pointing a gun, which he hasn't personally checked for cartridges, at another person would put that person at risk of death or great bodily harm. The defense's strategy will be to needlessly complicate the issue in order to confuse the jurors and make them default to the defense's sympathetic portrayal of Baldwin.
When Alyte covers what I hope will be an inevitable trial against Baldwin I will be watching closely.
For the first time since Depp v Hesrd. Looking forward to returning regularly to the channel. And to justice for Halayna!
Halyna I mean
@@elliotgoldberg5657 I **REALLY** hope the trial is televised. It'll be even more interesting than Depp v. Heard. Beyond that, I believe it'll be more interesting than State of WI v. Rittenhouse.
I hope she does too! I was glued to her channel during the Darrell Brooks trial and she does excellent commentary on livestreams -- not too much, not too little, just the right amount.
Amazing how long this investigation takes when compared to other cases that lawtube has covered
Keep in mind, it took Alec Baldwin 9 MONTHS to turn over his cell to the police. He received a subpoena in December 2021 and refused to turn his phone over to authorities until August 2022.
It was a failure all the way around. Why live ammo was on the set is my biggest issue, but the fact remains that despite all of these blatant safety violations, Baldwin was holding the gun and responsible for all of his actions at that point.
Baldwin was in his role as an actor.
Safety measures are the responsibility of those with those jobs.
Baldwin wasn't at fault as an actor, he may be at fault due to his ownership within the movie.
I don’t agree that means he’s the sole responsible party. He’s an actor. Not all actors are even familiar with guns. He was, but is it a rule any actor who will be hired for a role with gun use be taught how to use them? Otherwise, doesn’t seem logical to blame the person who’s job has nothing to do with guns. He relies on the experts. They apparently were all passing it off on him. Why make positions so important and worthy of respect if it means nothing?
My question though is Baldwin to blame at all for being the producer and not making sure that Hannah wasn’t spread to thin and could be there to do her job?
Jealous if his producer, woman, that wasn't going to tell him
Thank you
The idea of leaving a real gun on a "prop cart" is insane to me. Real guns should be in one of two places: on someone's person or locked up. If your protocols allow for leaving a gun just sitting out you are setting yourself up for catastrophe.
At the very least, they should not proceed with the filming of Rust.
Is it bad or is it just inevitable? The loaded gun was in his hand and anything after that is his responsibility. Under the law ignorance is no excuse for being held guilty of the crime. His deliberate ignorance, willfully refusing to learn and practising safe handling procedures, makes him culpable in her death. Despite every excuse he and his lawyers have dredged up in an effort to keep out of prison. Is he alone in his guilt? No not really, at least two others also again including Baldwin, in his role as executive director, are guilty of violating safe procedures on the set.
Think it's going to be an uphill battle for most criminal charges here unfortunately unless the laws were radically different and the standards of proof were different. But I think that civil cases could be won against a lot of people on the rust set.
There was a lot of negligence - perheps even that would rise to being criminal - but I think that the burden of proof of who that would land squarely on without there being reasonable doubt would be really difficult. I think it could be a round robin of finger-pointing. Maybe they could get a jury to find one of them guilty on a charge, but I think the resources it would take to get them on lesser charges and to get all 12 people to agree on it without doubt when they'll all have great lawyers and great experts are too high a burden.
plus at this stage, who would it benefit to lock any of them up when it's clear it happened due to multiple failures, and it's unlikely to be a repeated error.
@@susannatuttapanna2010 I could see really HIGH punitive damages being helpful if possible wherever they have filing though. A lot of the failures were known and were neglected by the people in charge. That part would be helpful to ensure that other film execs wouldn't try to cut corners on safety for film crews in the future.
@@Tcheera yes, I think punishing the producer or the company would be of most value really.
Let's look at the only facts that matter.
1. Alec Baldwin pointed a gun at human
2. He then fired the gun (accident or not it doesn't matter)
3. Someone is dead.
Pointing a gun at someone is RECKLESS, regardless of whether you think it is loaded or not.
Baldwin knows it is reckless and has been trained extensively on that fact
Even if the gun was loaded with blanks, firing the gun at someone is reckless.
A death resulting from a reckless act is involuntary manslaughter.
You could literally use the facts of this case, none of which are disputed, to teach a law class on involuntary manslaughter.
@@ChristopherShaffer1 The person handing it to him said it was unloaded. Everyone has confirmed that. I agree with you that it's still reckless, but I think his high priced attorneys would be able to get mistrials at the very least on any manslaughter trial since it has to be beyond reasonable doubt that he was the primary one behaving recklessly on set. I mean, if you take a pretty similar issue -- Brandon Lee -- who was shot on set of the Crow... it was the same thing except that gun they knew had blanks. The DA filed zero charges.
I'm not saying this because I think the behavior is okay or that this is okay that she died, but I think there's too much diffusion in terms of responsibility and all of that and that the defense will have too easy a time of shifting blame at each person to get a 100% beyond reasonable doubt verdict. If they did charge him I think it would be too easy to get one juror sympathetic to him or to have at least doubt that he was the one at fault.
Whether the gun malfunctioned or not, why was he holding a loaded gun?
Wow! Awesome video. Cause of death and manner of death. I had no idea the nuanced differences.
Thank you🙏🏾🔥💯
Hypothetically speaking..:
If you load a gun, point that gun at a person, pull the trigger and shoot that person causing their death, should you be charged?
How about if you spend months trying to blame everyone else who wasn't even around? What if many of your claims are proven false?
What if the only part of all of this that hasn't been proven is that you loaded the gun yourself? Should you still be charged? The rest of it was all illegal too.
The sham investigation ignored two things. First, who loaded the gun. Easy to look for prints on the casing, but apparently never done. Second, motive. If there's a motive, the rest should be easy.
I no nothing about guns, never seen one, have no idea about any protocols, rules or safety connected to a gun. However common sense tells me if someone put a gun in my hand the first thing I would do is to check if it was loaded or not. Then point it I. The direction of the floor.........then double check, maybe treble check
Any plans to live stream the courtney clenney jury trial which starts in December
Look up Betteridge's Law of Headlines.
I think, as a prop gun that shouldn't ever have any live rounds, Baldwin isn't responsible. Anybody can hand me a prop gun, while I'm working for a place where that's normal, and give me instructions. If those instructions lead to me actually shooting someone, how in the hell was I supposed to know? So provided it was in his instructions, then Baldwin isn't a criminal. In my opinion.
HOWEVER. The person who handed him the gun should be examined for possible malicious intent against either Baldwin or any of the victims. As it IS their responsibility to know without a shadow of a doubt, that there aren't any live rounds in that gun.
I'm honestly surprised people want to hold Baldwin responsible if he was worth nothing more than the gun itself. The position he was in placed him as a metaphorical puppet.
Update: he’s going to be charged along with 2 other production staff
To be or not to be: Is the responsibility on the gun expert or the gun amateur (is the question)? If the onest is on the amateur and not the expert, then lets start taking the weapons masters off the set!
Multiple people were involved. We all get that, but who created the environment on that set which lead to those safety failures? From what I understand at this point, all fingers should be pointed at Alec. I wouldn't be surprised if a jury agrees with that assessment.
Whoever uses the gun is responsible for anything that happens. The other two have too! All three need to see jail time. 10 years each is a minimum!
Sound's like the FBI guy says it's an accident
No, he said the trigger was pulled when the gun was pointed at someone.
That's involuntary manslaughter 🤣
Baldwin was jealous, she now was being on top..Alec wasn't having it. No matter what. Alec shot, and killed a on set employee.
My understanding is that budget limitations had the crew only using Gutierrez as an armorer before lunch, and then transferring her to a different department after lunch. If true, she could only be responsible for the arms before lunch. After that, someone else would have to take on that responsibility for the PM filming. As tacky as some of the young woman's personal photos are been, it would not be right to put this on her shoulders. It didn't happen on her watch.
I am sure I am oversimplifying this . . . but the film Armorer has only one job: -know about, safety maintain, and deliver film prop weapons to who needs it and when they do. NOBODY else should TOUCH or have access to any prop weapons, except her. PERIOD, end of story. She is only exempt of blame if someone "superior" to her (he who must be obeyed thing) overrides her ability to do her job (which she most obviously did not do). Perhaps she was told her presence on the set was not needed that day? Or she was performing her duties somewhere else? Then the person who created that absence would be guilty. So, I am inclined to think the person who gave the gun to Baldwin, without the needed Armorer doing it, is the likely guilty party. Baldwin has actively spoken out against gun "rights" and owners, and I can find no information about him owning or having taken any gun safety training. Even I know to never point ANY gun, loaded or not, at anybody. However, that action is required in movie making and unfortunately that is where this occurred.
Baldwin has stated repeatedly that he didn't pull the trigger, yet he had his finger on the trigger. The FBI determined that the gun would not fire unless the trigger was pulled. So Baldwin who had his finger on the trigger, most likely inadvertently put to much pressure on the trigger causing the gun to fire. Baldwin knew he was never supposed to point a gun directly at anyone, yet he acknowledged he did so anyway. If he doesn't face charges than no hunter who accidentally shoots someone should ever be charged. As to the examiner declaring it an accident, it does not cover Baldwin for negligent homicide
Lets be honest as much as I would like to see Alec seeing jail time the only charge I see sticking on him is Neglagence and at most Man Slaughter, I think there is a good case for Neglagence here against him and most likely the Armorer and person who handed him the gun will get the Man Slaughter charge. Its really kinda sad this is where we are after the lessons of Brandon Lee but here we are.
I honestly do not even think those would stick with a jury, you could probably charge it, but there will not be a United vote on it.
Any Lawyer could prove that it no time was he ever responsible for that gun, or any other weapon on site. The only way that this could be considered a homicide is if someone intentionally brought those bullets and intentionally loaded it, and either way, Alec Baldwin wasn’t that person.
Why? Is it because he made fun of your idol Trump on SNL? Alec isn’t responsible for this, let the political bias go bro. Michael Massee, the guy who shot Brandon, isn’t responsible either because they’re both actors! It’s not their job to handle guns! I can tell you only want Alec in jail because you disagree with his politics because if you were genuinely mistaken in thinking Alec is at fault, you would say that Michael Massee is at fault too.
@@Tommyboy6426 hush troll, Tump has nothing to do with this and yes anyone who handles a weapon on set is responsible for their actions and their actions alone so yes Alec and Michael Massee are responseible, espcially since The Crow set a president for things like this. Alec was an Excutive Producer on set which means he was responible for safty messures and making things run smoothly as thats what a producer does, those messures were clearly ignored which is no matter how much you scream TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP is Neglagence. Michael Massee unlike Alec admited he messed up at the very least unlike Alec who is playing the blame game. Also by your logic apparently you are fine with killing people on set and no one being held accountable, you really need to sort out your priorties and take politics out of things like this.
@@Shyndryth The day the accident happened, the hashtag AlecForPrison was trending, I clicked on it, scrolled through, I come to find out that every person who tweeted that was a conservative, republican, trump supporter and gun owner with conservative beliefs. A lot of the people I’ve seen in various videos about this who commented, are subscribed to conservatives and Republican CZcams channels. Candace Owens is a perfect example of the people who only want Alec in prison for emotional reasons like making fun of Trump on SNL. Candace literally said on Twitter that she thinks Alec got karma after all the years of making fun of Trump on SNL. When there’s smoke there’s fire. If the only people you can see attacking Alec are those who are conservative. That should tell you that they’re only speaking out because he made fun of Trump on SNL.
@@Tommyboy6426 so you assumed who and what I am and are still trying to make it politcal, I am not, I am objectively looking at what happened and what Alec was incharge of. Someone needs to tell you that assuming is the mother of all fck ups and still does not excuse you from trying to make something that was not inherently politcal and trying to make it political. This is troll behavior..... no matter what was trending on the day, I dont have twitter and dont follow trends.
No matter what.
I see his only responsibility was as a producer. I think he has suffered a lot. Sounds like he's digging his own hole though
I am curious as to whether the armorer was circumvented in this mess. Did she know the guns were being used for 'target practice' with live rounds? Was she told afterwards so she would know to check the guns and remove live rounds? Was she aware of the intended rehearsal in the church?
I get what everyone is saying about being taught never to point a guy at someone & it’s the person who has the gun in his hand who’s ultimately responsible. But to play devils advocate…it was a movie set. If making a movie about say a nuclear bomb or a deadly virus, an actor would never think that they had an actual bomb in their hand…or a vial full of live virus.
I’m not saying Alec isn’t responsible. But I can’t imagine the absolute shock & overall sickness he felt when he finally realized he had a live gun in his hand. This is such a terrible thing to of happened to a lovely mother & wife😢
Thank you for mentioning this...
Nobody here, as far as I read, is empathetic about what trauma this "fatal accident" has caused to Alec Baldwin, a guy who for yrs is vehemently lobbying for gun control & in split seconds he's the one, who (accidentally) killed someone....I mean, we are not talking about hobby hunters who kill animals on a regular basis, but someone who is clearly against guns & now has to live w/ what happened: he killed someone...that's heavy to digest.
Honestly, I probably would have a total nervous breakdown...so if he in his statements talks not like the Alec many here obviously dislike, I'm afraid there's a simple reason for that....even trained soldiers have long lasting PTSD after killing people during wars or whatever...
I think you're all too harsh w/ him.
Prison or no prison legally, IMO that poor man is now in a far worse prison, he put himself in, because he will never be able to forgive himself for having killed a colleague & friend.
I don't understand why you would ever use a working gun in a movie in a scene that doesn't require an actual shot?
Can't you make a replica that looks 100% authentic but can't shoot at all?
By all means, have a shootable gun for a scene where you need to aim and shoot and see a hit. But why not use a safe replica for everything else? Is it some kind of a weird pride issue as in "we have to use an actual 1850 gun for filming" even though the viewer would never know?
Alec Baldwin, and everyone whose had custody of the firearm, needs to go to prison. Alec pulled the trigger on a gun that he did not personally know was safe. I'm not ruling out sabotage or gross negligence. I don't know enough to know if it was the on-set armorer who had prepped the firearm or if the production assistant decided to fetch the firearm himself without the armorer's approval. Either way, Alec Baldwin murdered a woman in cold blood and injured the Director with the blood and bone and clothing from the Cinematographer's body. Alec Baldwin needs to go to prison for murder.
Thank you. I've been saying "involuntary manslaughter" since the beginning and have yet to hear anything that changed my mind. I don't think the shooting was intentional but, as an actor *and producer* of the film, it was his responsibility to make sure the gun wasn't loaded which Baldwin failed to do.
If the DA proves she has a strong case, can she make an argument to get more money for make up the $617k?
First.
Alyte. Thank you. Informative as always. Especially to me as a UK resident.
Second.
My thoughts and opinions.
While I think it is fair to say that there was no ill intent on anyones part, Halyna Hutchens was killed and Joel Souza was wounded.
And this is where I think that Alec Baldwin has problems.
I copied and pasted this section of the New Mexico statutes as they relate to criminal offences, in particularly the act of manslaughter.
NM Stat § 30-2-3 (2019)
Manslaughter is the unlawful killing of a human being without malice.
A. Voluntary manslaughter consists of manslaughter committed upon a sudden quarrel or in the heat of passion.
Whoever commits voluntary manslaughter is guilty of a third degree felony resulting in the death of a human being.
B. Involuntary manslaughter consists of manslaughter committed in the commission of an unlawful act not amounting to felony, or in the commission of a lawful act which might produce death in an unlawful manner or without due caution and circumspection.
Whoever commits involuntary manslaughter is guilty of a fourth degree felony.
We can rule out A (Voluntary Manslaughter), leaving B (Involuntary Manslaughter) on the table. In particular emphasis needs to be on the second part (commission of a lawful act).
The commission of a lawful act which might produce death in an unlawful manner or without due caution and circumspection.
It is the due caution and circumspection part that hangs over Alec Baldwin.
Yes other parties were contributing factors in this case but it was Alec Baldwin who was the last link in the chain.
It is rare, if not impossible, for an accident to be caused by a single event, and multiple things went wrong in this case.
Break that chain of events anywhere and the accident doesn't happen.
However, in every accident, there is always a final link in the chain, the one that links everything else to the outcome.
Alec Baldwin was that last link. His actions, and his alone, chained all the other wrongs into an accident that caused death and injury.
Given that I have said this is an accident multiple times, why do I believe that Alec Baldwin should be charged with involuntary manslaughter?
Because a firearm is a tool. One that was created for a singular purpose, to cause DID (Death, Injury, Destruction). While it is possible to use a firearm in some other fashion, such as in this case a movie prop, it doesn't detract that any use of a firearm is, by the very nature of firearms, inherently dangerous.
The basic rules of firearm safety clearly state that you should treat any firearm as if it is loaded and made ready to fire until you, personally, have verifed otherwise.
Alec Baldwin did not do this. He acted without due caution and circumspection.
The basic rules of firearm safety also state that you should never point a firearm, even one you think is safe, at anyone you do not wish to do harm to.
Alec Baldwin pointed this weapon at Halyna Hutchens, regardless of the fact that it was at her direction. He again acted without due caution and circumspection.
Some people may argue that he was only an actor following orders of other people and shouldn't know the basic rules of firearm safety, but if you read Equity's own guidelines for the use of firearms then you will see that the basic rules of firearm safety are covered there. See link below.
( www.actorsequity.org/resources/Producers/safe-and-sanitary/safety-tips-for-use-of-firearms/ )
As such Alec Baldwin should have reasonably known that what he was doing was considered potentially hazardous to life, and as a result he should have acted with due caution and circumspection.
Again, while others were involved in the chain of errors that led to death and injury, it was Alec Baldwin that took possession of a firearm without checking it, or having it checked by a qualified person in his presence. It was Alec Baldwin who pointed that firearm at another person in reckless disregard to their life. It was Alec Baldwin that made that firearm ready to fire and then failed to maintain control of that weapon, causing it to discharge a round into and through one person and then into another, ending the life of Halyna Hutchens and wounding Joel Souza.
Let me put this another way.
Working at height carries inherent risks.
If I'm working at height and someone hands me a tool which I subsequently drop, and it falls and kills someone. Who is responsible for that death?
The person who got hit?
The person who handed me the tool?
Or me, who acted without due caution and circumspection, allowing the tool to be dropped?
Alec Baldwin was handed a lethal weapon and failed to act with due caution and circumspection, resuolting in one death and one injury.
While Hall and Reed contributed to this accident, I'm unsure of their legal standing. The further from the incident in the timeline, the more protection a person has, particularly for involuntary manslaughter. Baldwin shields Hall, Hall shields Reed, but no-one shields Baldwin. Not sure who the fourth person is, but they're probably shielded by Reed. As a result, while I can find guilty beyond a resonable doubt for Baldwin, I can not do the same for Hall and Reed, or the unnamed fourth person. I do believe that they were contributing factors to this accident, but I have doubts that their actions (or inactions) contributed to what Baldwin did. For that matter, from what I understand, Reed (and possibly the fourth person) wasn't even present on set, even though Reed should have been as the set's armourer.
Final thought.
For anyone who thinks Alec Baldwin didn't need to know anything about firearm safety, and thereby didn't need to follow the basic rules of firearm safety and his own industry's guidelines on safe handling of firearms, ask yourselves this question.
If you were acting in a scene where you are handed a firearm, told but not shown that it is safe, and then directed to point that firearm at your head and pull the trigger, would you blindly follow orders, or demand that all safety measures are in place and followed?
I thought it was the handlers who handled the guns checking or prop people
Actors are supposed to check as well. Had he not refused to attend on set gun safety classes, perhaps he would have known this. He also pointed the gun at Halyna and pulled the trigger. You don't do that-you do not point a gun t another person like that, even a prop gun. The DA's office announced he could very well face charges. Obviously, he bears some responsibility.
She was professional at All times.. Alec tried to over her as Producer
They could just be saying his name to get more money
You are ignoring a basic part of the laws in New Mexico.
NM Stat § 30-2-3 (2019)
Manslaughter is the unlawful killing of a human being without malice.
A. Voluntary manslaughter consists of manslaughter committed upon a sudden quarrel or in the heat of passion.
Whoever commits voluntary manslaughter is guilty of a third degree felony resulting in the death of a human being.
B. Involuntary manslaughter consists of manslaughter committed in the commission of an unlawful act not amounting to felony, or in the commission of a lawful act which might produce death in an unlawful manner or without due caution and circumspection.
Look at the last part of B... no unlawful act required but it would cover what Baldwin did. The other problem you are making is assuming that someone else can magically take away the responsibility of someone to follow the law. So Baldwin brandishing the gun in a negligent manner is also a problem, as New Mexico also has the following law on the books, 30-7-4(3). Handling or using a firearm or other deadly weapon in a negligent manner is prohibited.
I can guarantee you that you can find people in New Mexico that have gone to prison or are still in prison because the shot someone with a gun that they thought was unloaded.
You had me laughing with, “one of the first things that has hurt Alec Baldwin is arguably Alec Baldwin” SO TRUE!!!!! The things we don’t want to admit to ourselves when we really need to! Facing the truth faster is how we suffer less, denial will just make that pain go on until we change or die. That statement reminds me of speaking of addicts as well because he is behaving a lot like that. The sooner we see what power we have to make our situation better the sooner we evolve. But when we deny things we end up our biggest problem while blaming everyone else that had no power in the event. He needs strength of humility to face his truth and grow from reality instead of creating an alternate reality that makes him feel better. That is just not good for anyone. We really have a bad understanding of accountability as a society and that could improve a lot if we make that common knowledge.
Only one person is responsible for that gun when it fired, the person holding it. You can tell me about an armorer who said it was safe, you can tell me about how there isn't supposed to be any live ammo on the set, you can tell me the gun malfunctioned, none of it takes away the responsibility of the person who squeezed the trigger, it is their sole responsibility to know the firearm and what ammunition is in it and what condition the firearm is in. Baldwin has been trained on firearms many times and has handled them many times dating back to the 1980's. He knows it is his responsibility to check the firearm he is holding and if he is unfamiliar with it he knows he needs to get familiar with it before safely using it.
I agree. When the crew, however hobbled together after some of the best crew quit and walked out, is in a bad mood, Alec is in a bad mood, and they're all just trying to crank out takes, stupidity can happen. They were 'zoned out' and 'were not thinking.'
@@continentalgin
Involuntary manslaughter can occur if a person is engaging in a lawful act but unintentionally kills someone by being negligent. I believe this is the crime here.
I feel like prosecuting Alec Baldwin would be fairly difficult, primarily, because there are a host of people that should handle, direct and prompt the firing of that prop-gun.
He's not some kid firing a real gun into the air and striking someone unintentionally, but ultimately an actor running multiple takes on the day being handed a prop firearm that he reasonably wouldn't expect to lethally kill a human being.
You'd have to prosecute a host of people, who at various degrees bear responsibility for what happened and everything is filmed so the defense for Baldwin's state of mind or culpability is very visible for him.
He should be last on that list of prosecution.
@@ricksundberg5659 Sounds accurate to me, but I'm no lawyer. LegalBytes will know!
Yes, Rick Sunberg ! Baldwin's father had been a firearms instructor for almost 30 years. Does anyone think that he didn't teach his several sons proper gun etiquette ? He certainly would've taught them all there is to know about guns.
It was a perfect storm that resulted in her death, and I don't know if any one person is responsible, or who should be held accountable, if anyone.
I really like how you lay things out in a logical, yet personable manner. Having a lot of experience as a theater actress, I would never check a prop I am using to check it's safety /efficacy. That goes to the prop master. I am not sure of the protocol for film, but I suspect it isn't that different. This was such a preventable tragedy. (I just subscribed to your channel.)
I've never been an actress in movies but I have been an extra, and I can always tell when an actor or actress has had firearms training -- they don't do whole takes with their finger on the trigger, but only put it there when the script calls for them to fire. Omg, the bad trigger discipline the inexperienced ones have, just drives me up the wall! But we extras can't say anything unless we're the one getting "shot", which is one role I don't want.
Do actors/actresses in theater get any training in proper weapons _handling_ ? Like -- people aren’t supposed to move their finger to the trigger till the script calls for them to fire?
of course he will be charged.....she was not an actor....he was horseplaying when he pointed gun at her...real dumb thing was allowing live ammo on the set or anywhere near it.....and he acts like a jerk
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I have no issue with the Producers and Production being charged.. and paying greatly for this type of negligence.. but I could never blame the play actor playing gunslinger.. this is putting the responsibility on a person who bears no responsibility the prop gun with prop bullets handed to him is NOT safe... this is a failure 10x over before the prop master hands him the gun. In fact, if actors were checking bullets.. this would almost be more negligent.. as they are not professional gunsmiths.
I do not think any individual should be charged. It was a collective accident. The production, or whatever is liable.
Alec did not intend to kill anyone, end of story. His low budget crap film is at fault. Again, collective blame. Prison for anyone is out of order!!
He was told the gun held blanks
If he had to put the gun to his head, would he have looked? He still ignored on set protocol. Leaving him 100 percent liable.
It's not just about checking that the gun was empty. With his experience he should have known that you are not supposed to point a firearm at anyone. Although I'm not sure this is always respected in the industry. In the ABC interview he says he would never point a gun at someone and pull the trigger. Well then why point the gun at someone, pull the hammer back and let go? I think he's toast here. So is the armorer. And likely the guy who handed him the firearm. He intervened in a very important process to do what should have been for the armorer to do. And he said the gun wasn't loaded and it was. So I'd say all three will be charged and may be convicted. The armorer is going down for sure, Baldwin pretty likely too.
Did you see that ABC interview? First, he said pointed the gun where Halyna told him to and it happened to line up with her armpit. Moments later, he claimed he would 'never ever' point a gun at another person. Completely contradicted himself. I'd like to know why he refused to hand over his cell for 9 MONTHS.
This was a great analysis. The point that you made about Baldwin being experienced with prop guns on set and the protocols behind said use was an eye opener. Great video.
Yes, Baldwin was likely already using firearms before this "armorer" was even born. That doesn't excuse her, but it also adds, IMO, an element of culpable knowledge on the part of AB - especially as he is also the Exec. Producer. He was trying to cut costs, so I suspect she was less expensive to hire, & easier to push around than an older & more experienced armorer. BTWay, her Father was an experienced movie armorer & she learned from him. I saw an interview where he said she had confided/complained to him about having been given 2 job responsibilities on set.
All a lot to absorb, my opinions are the this was Baldwins project and his production, therefore he is directly responsible for everything that occurs at that place in time. That said there are so called professional individuals employed to carry out specific tasks. Every crime has a starting point and in this case it surely would have to be the Armorer who's job it is to ensure every aspect of a firearm and it's ammunition is throughly checked before it's passed on to another. Sure Baldwin was definitely negligent, not to mention his poor choice of employees.
I like how Runkle debunked his claims about the gun being able to fire without pulling the trigger. It sounds like this was an accident of someone putting live rounds into it with very little oversight to double and triple check that the rounds were blanks.
He should have charged and in jail why is this taking so long...
The liability lies with Hutchins. It was a pure accident. A weapon with a 1mm pull is DANGEROUS. his liability lies as a producer. Qualified staff, right number of staff, correct equipment, etc. He has a shared liability there. But I believe he had the trigger depressed without realizing it and then pulled and dropped the hammer. That's not manslaughter, its not homicide. Its an accident. We always have to have someone to blame.
I won hundred % agree with you and he should be held liable through financial gains for the family. This was not a crime, no matter how much money the prosecutor asks for.
So there's no one to blame?
Do you mean the liability lies with Baldwin? Hutchins was the director who was shot and killed.
What?
What you're describing is literally involuntary manslaughter as described in the statue.
"While acting in a reckless manner which may cause the death or another person"
Pointing a gun, loaded(with blanks or not) or not at someone is ALWAYS reckless.
Pulling the trigger, even as an accident, when you have the gun pointed at someone is RECKLESS.
He has extensive training in weapons handling and safety and anyone that has ever been near a gun knows better than to do what he did.
The fact is he recklessly pointed a gun at someone, recklessly pulled the trigger and he killed them.
It doesn't matter if he intended to kill them, that act, especially for someone who knows better (he does) is involuntary manslaughter under new mexico law.
The only debate here is whether they charge him or let him skate because he's famous.
@@ChristopherShaffer1 In the state of Florida, pointing a gun at someone, even though it's unloaded, constitutes " Assault with a Deadly Weapon " and can get you 5 years in prison . Reason being, the victim doesn't know the gun is unloaded, thereby elevating the fear-factor as though it was.
If you have a firearm in your hand it doesn't matter if god almighty handed it to you, it needs to be checked to ensure it is safe.. this was negligent at best.. and you always assume that firearm is loaded ready to go until you personally visually inspect the chambers, mag, ect.. plus.. if he wasn't aware of that fact he had one of the worst firearms experts ever to call themselves one.. the person that trained him also bears responsibility here.. you never ever ever just assume that weapon isn't ready to go.. anything less, as i said, is negligence.. at best.. the fact that there were rounds in it to begin with is appalling.. the fact that he wasn't carrying a weapon with no safety on an open chamber is insane.. hire me if your armorers suck so bad.. i have more firearms knowledge than 2 average joes for the most part.. safety is all, you do not compromise your safety or that of others in any way with a firearm..
Without knowing all the details, it seems like layers of incompetency. I would be very surprised if it there was intent or conspiracy. Its worth saying that negligence can be criminal, so despite it being an accident, there can be still be liability.
Newtonianromance, negligence is not an accident. Negligence is negligence. The charge should be " Negligent Homicide ". Negligent Homicide is considered murder, the same as " Reckless Homicide " is considered murder. Berserker Boy Baldwin is a murderer. Face it
Umm ok but why the hell were they using a real gun to begin with?? Also why was there a live round in that gun??
Why was there a live round on the set of that movie at all? There never should have been a real bullet on that movie set.
Surely this would be accidental death. Even if he did some ill advised interviews it still doesn't make him guilty or explain why a real gun with a real bullet was on the set, in his hand to begin with.
Clearly he didn't think there would ever be a real bullet in the gun, nor would he have wanted to kill anyone on a movie set.