SIX new watches that changed the watch game - Zenith, Bulgari, Tudor
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- Tudor Black Bay 58, Zenith Chronomaster Sport, Bulgari Octo Finissimo plus more.
In this episode of About Effing Time (the fastest growing watch podcast), we discuss modern watches that we think changed the watch game or at least changed the watch brand.
What watches did we miss?
#Tudor #Zenith #Bulgari
I think Tissot PRX is a game changer, a beautiful stainless steel bracelet watch that actually could be bought at a reasonable price with swiss automatic movement with decent power reserve, you get more than what you paid for.
And in the metal. Booom. It really is pretty special for the price. Wow.
Agreed. I tried one on last week and was very impressed with the looks, quality,and how comfortable it was on the wrist. You can easily get them at a decent discount as well. The Jeweler offered me 15% off the bat and I’m sure I could have gotten more if I was a buyer that day.
Great shout! The Tissot PRX 100% is a game changer.
Purchased a PRX Powermatic 80, had it on the wrist for 6 weeks straight. Had to put it in the fault just so my other pieces could feel some appreciation again. Easy the best value on the market. Only mild remark is the resemblance of the Royal Oak, had 2 instances of people commenting on the ridiculous expensive watch I was wearing, while it's anything but.
I think a 38mm would be an even bigger game changer, considering the 40mm wears larger than expected. I wonder why they went with 35 instead of 38.
Holy moly ... this show is starting to be for watches what Top Gear once was for cars. Outstanding! Could watch you all day long!
These comments fuel the 🔥 THANK YOU
BANG BANG YESSSSSSS
Not until they find a way to insult India, Germany, USA, Mexico and Argentina. 🤣
The Aquanaut (Patek Philippe) and the Snowflake (Grand Seiko) are game changers for sure. One paved the way for luxury watches on rubber straps.. the other introduced many people to a true and worthy Japanese alternative for a luxury watch 🙌🏻👍🏻 awesome job with the Podcast, congratulations!!
I think they secretly hate GS
Really glad you mentioned Nims. He doesn't get enough coverage.
The first Black Bay (burgundy bezel) was an absolute game changer for Tudor - and for the watch industry as well - paving the road for harking back to mid-century designs.
how was it possible that you went a whole episode and George didn't mention Tag ??!! wow guys well done.. it had almost turned into a drinking game and i managed to stay completely sober during this episode!
Game charger of the last 10 years: Tissot PRX Automatic Blue Dial
Best independent of the last 10 years: Zelos
Another vote for the PRX and another checking if GB is Ok 😂
Fashion watches are the reason we all eventually started collecting…
And James Bond’s Seamaster is the reason we looked into luxury brands…
And - here it comes - the game changer watch why we love watches: your dad’s watch! 😎
It was so funny when they said "do we need to bring it up? everyone can just look at their wrist", I did, and I'm wearing my BB58 😅😂
Hahahaha yesssssss so true.
In terms of the basic premise I have to agree wiith Adrian’s second choice, BB58. Of all those it has had the biggest impact on the rest of the watch world, really giving way to a trend towards smaller dive watches, and perhaps watches in general. It is the only one of the selection of those excellent watches that has really influenced outside the brand, as well as inside the brand with other lines (see Pelagos 39 and GMT Pro).
This really is a fantastic podcast. This group of guys make for such a great, entertaining discussion. Keep up the great work!!
Much appreciated Philip!
I Cannot Believe none of you have mentioned a Grand Seiko like the Cherry blossom. It’s brought Japanese watchmaking to the forefront, moved on dial design decades and made the Swiss watch world up their game
Agreed!
My choice is going to be the Grand Seiko Snowflake ( it's older than 10 years, but only just and I think after Adrian's VC, I can take some liberties 😅😂) . This was the watch that introduced Grand Seiko to the rest of the world. It not only legitimized the brand, which until then was seen as an overpriced Seiko, but it also changed the consumers perceptions of value for money and their expectations from the watch industry. Truly a game changer.
To me the biggest game changer is the A lange & sohne Datograph. After the releases of 1994, the Datograph is the watch that was a huge middle finger to Patek saying: we can do it, and we do it better than you.
Hands down the greatest case back displays to photograph period. When I lookthrough the macro lens its like I'm in Christopher Nolan's "Inception".
Spring drive! It makes you appreciate and question what is mechanical watchmaking. And with the dials , GS has forced every watchmaker to up their game
This is true but fell outside the 10 years rule!
GS. Yep yep
The Casioak seemed like a game changer. G-Shock watch that appeals to the masses, and one that even watch snobs like; pays respect to the Royal Oak, and at an affordable price. I have one and I love it.
@@happydogg312 Nuh uh
Studio underdog is a game changer. Designed as a lockdown project. Not taking itself too seriously and having the obvious idea (but incredibly rare) to have it’s logo offset so the hands don’t cut through it at the 12 position. It has an original theme with the various food appearances and models.
The use of fellow Brit ‘the strap tailor’ to provide all straps from now on is a bold move.
Endless possibilities ahead and endless movement improvements too!
And EVERYONE is talking about them
Our love is previously declared 💕
And I just received my new Desert Sky....Bought it after seeing the guys talk about it. Bloody good watch. Just wish the strap did not taper down so much. Think the watch looses some points on that one.
Another fantastic episode! You guys are doing an amazing job. Appreciate all the hard work you must put in. Very difficult to pick one of the three that didn’t make the cut. I would probably replace the zenith by the alpine eagle and I would have included the Tonda PF GMT rattrapante. Again gréât show and thank you!
I’m still a huge fan of the Cartier Ballon Bleu …… Keep up the great work guys, I love this format, it’s about F ing time a channel like this was launched!
The Black bay 41 is hands down the most overlooked stainless steel sports watch. A verity of sizes and easy maintenance with an eta movement with amazing Tudor finishing, and the best bracelet on any black bay… no fake rivets!!! move over OP, explorer, and sub
Oh ya and price point is unbeatable for the quality your getting
George Daniels' coaxial movement. Not necessarily a game changer watch per se but a line of watches from Omega that's been brought to a mass market manufacturing level. Game changing movement for Omega.
now make it thinner and then its a game changer and i say this as I type with a PO on my wrist...oh, now i need to take it off...
Totally agree that Octo Finissimo is now a true icon.
love the Ando version
The 10th anniversary sketch dial Finissimos are simply to die for 😍
Yeah I completely agree. Like putting more of its DNA on display. Love it.
That's my favourite one too. It's a simple but clever concept.
Best video yet gents! Loved all of the watch footage that accompanied each piece you discussed 👏
Ahhh thanks for the encouragement Daniel. Its certainly a labor of love, but well worth accompanying this great talk with great visuals.
May I suggest 2 brands:
1. Hublot, I don't like the brand but you cannot deny that they popularize rubber strap into the luxury watch world along with other uncommon material for case.
2. Panerai, althought they haven fallen out of grace but they were the opposite of the BB58. Panerai pushes the whole watch world into coming out bigger and bigger watches back in the days.
All good choices. Spot on …there would not be a Daytona without Zenith, so seize the opportunity. My vote for a game changer is Zenith Skyline …. Great look ( similar to 3 of your picks) case, dial and bracelet with one of the most iconic movements. It is clearly a watch for sport or dress. In fact the ultimate one watch collection at a moderate price and available.
Hell! I my have talked myself into buying one!!
Rollercoaster for me on Adrian's takes to start lol. LOVE the Zenith Chronomaster Sport, I think as a triple-subdial chrono it gets roped into Daytona comps... but the subs are different, in both design and spacing, the tachy bezel is different, lugs are different, movement is VERY different... it's a different watch. It's what Zenith sees the Daytona as if they'd designed the case and dial as opposed to the movement, and Rolex's Daytona is what they see it as if they'd originally designed the movement as opposed to the case and dial. It's unfair to say Zenith doesn't have some claim to a chrono SIMILAR to the Daytona in that they had a part in that origin story, and it's definitely unfair to say the Chronomaster Sport is an outright Daytona copy or homage. If you can look at a Royal Oak, Nautilus, or a GP and say they're different watches you have to say the Chrono Sport is a different watch than the Daytona. Without question.
The VC American 1921 is a dream. Absolutely incredible piece, if I could afford anything in that price range that'd be my buy.
Adrian did a good job holding his tongue in the Bremont discussion! I feel, and I wonder whether he does too, that Bremont and their ways are the exact opposite of Oris.
Blackbay changed the game. Brought back Tudor to the USA & popularized the vintage looks
The Halios Seaforth was an absolute game changer: Bringing the concept of microbrands to many people who hadn't dove into that realm before. Great quality for an awesome price. With demand greatly surpassing supply. And The Seaforth is the model that brought Halios the title "the Rolex of Microbrands".
How did it change the game though. I get you like it.
@@michaelday3589 Regarding the perception of "microbrands" in general and in regards to what value can be delivered at such a price point. Check out the Watchfinder video on the Seaforth that picked that up quite a bit later.
@@danielt.muller7009 no doubt on that. But. It's no "game changer".
@@michaelday3589 Hmm. First, the definition of game changer in differentiation to "milestone" or how loosely one is to use the term has to be agreed on. In the big picture of things of horology the Halios Seaforth wasn't a game changer. For a lot of enthusiasts and people new to the "watch game" I'd argue yes.
@@michaelday3589 The first automatic chronograph, the first water resistant watch or the first quartz watch. Those were industry game changers.
Vacheron American 1921 40mm White Gold on a B&J nato is my grail watch! Good choice Adrian! Another awesome episode gentlemen…..keep up the good work!
I think the VC 222 is a game changer. It brought back the classic look in a modern itineration. Also definitely the Octo. I think a lot of brands leaned into the integrated bracelets this year.
There really is nothing like the 222 that I have photographed. That was breathtaking. Like the perfect design integration. Nothing says BOSS like a 222
I was going to say the same. The 222 has made that classic design cool again. In all gold, is a smaller watch than is typical in modern times but being seen on the likes of Brad Pitt has made it an instant icon... Again
I know the Tudor black bay is a tad boring but it was the watch that got me into watches... I had a cheap rotary watch and was just googling it and went down a rabbit hole and ended up watching a video about the black bay and I was hooked. For me and great money for value
On board with Zenith. They deserve all good things.
I keep getting hugely tempted by an IWC Portofino chrono. Where do you three stand on the snooty third party, modified movement standpoint that continually gets raised in the "Watch community"?
It isn't an influencing factor to me. Just interested in the thoughts of the watch authorities. 👍
This show keeps getting better.
For a game changer my pick would be ORIS again mainly for their movement but with the aquis and the pilot pro watch, power reserve and service interval. For the price, they are putting the big players to shame and to me this showcases the power of the independents.
Great show. I like that the Martin Baker was mentioned. One doesn’t have to agree or disagree, but it’s a unique (great if I may say) looking watch. It’s also tough. Thanks for making this a fun podcast.
I wish these podcasts were longer! You missed the seiko skx, to me that was the biggest game changer
Another great episode gents. Thank you for all the work you put in to this.
Our pleasure Ryan. Thanks for the encouragement. Means a lot.
I heard someone call the chopard a “butt-hole” dial and I can’t un-see it ☠️😂
The GP and the Zenith are winners. Thank you gentlemen.
Octo Finissimo an absolute icon.
Still can't fucken believe you guys are not in the same room. 🤣🤣.
Awesome videos as always 👍🏾👍🏾
Love every episode. Make another season please!
You got it
That’s def the plan.
Plain and simple, the Apple Watch is a crazy game changer
You’re absolutely right - tune in to the live stream for props
@@AboutEffingTime think of how many people wear and are aware or desire watches because of it! I think it’s the modern day Swatch effect of the 80s/90s ….
The Tudor black bay/58 is the best game changer for me because it not only changed the game with the watch but also put the brand on the map and brought them into the public eye more, its made the brand cool again and took them out from Rolex’s shadow
Tudor was well and truly "on the map" before the 58 was released in 2018.
@@michaelday3589 True, but the smaller size and vintage aesthetic separated them more from Rolex’s offerings
Another awesome podcast - absolutely fantastic. May I suggest the Zenith Defy 21 in Indigo ! Awesome piece and always gets attention ! Keep up the great work. Loved Adrian’s comment - If you think different then your blind ! Need some T Shirts with that printed on !
Bloody great idea for the t shirt. Will def think on that one.
That’s why I like tutor it’s Rolex without The tacky looks.
Great episode this week. Love this show. I genuinely think it's the bracelet on the chronomaster that turns it into a daytona copy. There's so many other tricompax chronos that have a similar dial and bezel but don't get compared.
Yeah the bracelet is remark my similar. Like crazy similar.
Totally agree. The ceramic bezel doesn't help on a panda/ reverse panda but that bracelet and clasp push it over the edge into homage for me. I hesitate to say copy, but it really straddles that line.
GS for me are over priced in some cases. The quartz GMT’s are great value with incredible accuracy and priced right. Then there is a huge jump. If the bracelet had on the fly adjustments maybe. I really love the cherry blossom however at nearly 10k here I couldn’t justify the spend.
The Damasko DC 82 is a real game changer and probably the most readable chronograph I could see myself buying
While I agree that it is a legible watch, the (low) demand doesn't really justify calling it a game changer.
1977 Felicia in photo ended up a game changer for the 13yro 🇦🇺 Swiss on stretchy bracelet . About 33mm ? 45yrs later obsessed with About Effing Time. 😂
Bloody great to have you on board.
Bell and Ross often gets overlooked, but it still carries a lot of brand aesthetic and a great price point. Also they were early into ceramics and the green crystal
GP is amazing. So much underrated it is painful. Awesome that George picked the Laureato. Bravo!
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I remember shooting the Laureato Infinity. and wow I mean man....this gave me feelings. And I have shot A LOT of watches.
@@marcusflack1523 the black dial is amazing
@@michaadamski8727 unbelievably good.
Vacheron 1921 I think is my grail… I’ve never really had one or subscribed to the idea of a grail/exit watch, but that just honestly might be it.
How about a discussion of which is the better watch? Chronomaster sport vs daytona.
Tenth chronograph, display column wheel, historic tricolor dials, usable non screw down pushers without loss of water resistance. AND you can get one in a reasonable amount of time at msrp.
Bravo lads👏 .....thoroughly enjoyable as usual. Andrew, you and I just simply see "eye 2 eye," in terms of watchmaking. Grand Seiko, is quite under priced, and equally under-appreciated for the level of watchmaking in most of their models, as well as to their contribution, to the overall industry. The "Alpine Eagle," was such a game-changer, for Chopard. Nothing else out there quite like it, IMHO. The "Octo Finisimo," by Bvlgari, defied the limits of watchmaking, in such a bold, yet impactful way. I could not agree more. Well done to all of you, and thank you for the interesting discussion. Cheers
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Can we all take a minute to check George is okay please? A whole episode without a mention of Tag Heuer. Something is seriously wrong!
I have the Black Bay Harrods and I agree it’s chunky, but I absolutely love it and the heft. That green, the dial colour and green and gilt detail 😍
Always have agreed with Adrian, but sorry not today, saying DW is game changer is like saying Milli Vanilli influenced music, lets only consider the real players. Greetings from MX.
I don't think he was saying DW was a game changer. I believe he was referring to a potential Independent brand in regards to our segment Bring Your Own Independent. However, Andrew brought Seven Friday to the table instead. There def no way in Hell Adrian's saying DW is a game changer. So don't fret....your alliance with Adrian's opinion is still solid.
As much as it hurts to say it, the Apple Watch has got to be one of the biggest game changers in recent times. Hopefully though, it got the people who wanted a real watch, more into watches and people who wanted a Daniel Wellington buying an Apple Watch instead!
Accurate
Not a WatchBox for me but certainly respecting our shared passion well done boys!
I’m guessing by seeing the intro that Adrian is a drummer. Picked up right away he was playing the high hat and snare groove to the opening.
I think this is my fav episode you guys have done - feels more genuine/less staged
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"A challenger approaches!" I'd have thrown in the Grand Seiko 9R65. The first Spring Drive watch.
Adrian and George are hysterical! Squabbling like two rival siblings and Andrew playing the role of Dad trying to add a bit of sense and impartiality! 😂 George the creator, Adrian the unashamed Rolex fan boy and Andrew is Mr refined, which is the first time my mouth has uttered those words in relation to any male Aussie 🤷
😎 I'll take it - much love, Andrew (ps to be fair, I think these roles change from ep to ep over the season, pretty sure I get my squabble on several times)
@@AboutEffingTime yer to be fair, you all take it in turns to play the intermediary. I think it’s quite fluid between you and the camaraderie you all share for the love of watches is what keeps me coming back.
Would love to see an episode where you all pick a few ‘vintage’ watch loves
Can't believe the Bamford GMT Time&Tide edition wasn't mentioned? Great Watch, better get a Bark & Jack strap for it.
GS Snowflake should've been here.. because that was the first grand seiko that made people who aren't super nerd appreciate Grand seiko for the first time.
Good point. Very good point.
Boys, why aren't these videos also on Spotify?! Love to be able to whip my phone out and see what you guys are drooling over when listening on the train. CZcams cuts out when my phone is in my pocket. Check out the Dairy of CEO podcast for an example.
Good feedback, it is an option, but we were worried it might reduce our YT numbers….
And CZcams gives us this very opportunity for people like you to drop a comment or ask a question. Spotify does not allow this functionality. And we really want to connect directly with people like you. Thanks for watching David.
Ahhh, ok. Makes sense. Thank you for replying to explain. Forgive me if this is dumb (I'm not a digital marketer), but can you not have the video on CZcams AND Spotify? Again, I use Diary of a CEO as a reference: czcams.com/video/ktl0UdZtL1A/video.html
I'm sure there's a reason, like ad revenue, but thought I'd ask the question!
Love the show! Getting some pop filters on those mic's would deff take away some of the B, P, S or SHHH sound.
Good tip. We r working on it.
Great as always. You should take a look at Halios for your Microbrand discussion.
Man I'd take any of those (except maybe BBs), but the Octo and GP in particular are very much on my "to buy" list. Love Chopard but the AE doesn't do it for me for some reason. Have a LUC Sport 2000 and wish they'd make more sports watches in the LUC line.
For me it's the Parmigiani Fleurier Tondagraph GT. Never considered PF before, but that one straight out of the gate was at some point and still is more desirable than the usual contenders.
I love your content but I felt the Bremont section was a bit of a conflict of interest as you work with them and to compare them with omega is crazy. Tudor much bettervalue than Bremont IMO
Everything is a conflict when it comes to George, he gets around!
In the world of tim writes and crackhead Archie luxuries, there was only Tim Mossos weekend with watches or whatever his weekly show is called that i could watch. Thank you guys for making this show. You have become my fav. When I saw the rolex episode title, ibwas sooo disappointed that you guys were Fallin down that hole... But earlier today it came up by accident on my CZcams feed as I was cooking a breakfast and ibwas sucked into it before I got a chance to change it. What I am trying to say is that even a rolex episode was sooo... ing cool!
The bb58 is boring in a way that cuddling up at the fireplace with your loved ones when you've just come home out of the freezing cold and see the sun set through the window is boring. That is what my bb58 evokes and i love that type of boring to bits.
Black Bay isn't boring, and tbh I love the 41mm version (I have the red) and the slabbiness of the sides is one of the things I love (it does help that I have larger wrists)
Hearing Daniel Wellington stings like hell. I love the podcast and you guys really are incredible, but I think you have misunderstood the brand. They’re 30$ Ali express watches that have a brand name smacked on the dial, and it’s not even an applied logo. Daniel Wellington is as close to robbery as you can get without flat out assaulting someone and stealing their money.
Smart robbers though, that was our point - they tapped a zeitgeist and cashed in. Very clever.
Zenith are making some really beautiful watches these days imho, I am hoping for some hefty depreciation to pick up one in the future.
Hmmmm. Not sure the chrono will depreciate in a hurry. That things still so hard to get.
@@marcusflack1523 I tried one on and realised they fit great on smaller wrists. I like the new chrono where 1 sub dial is skeleton.
I’m a fan of gin and I just learned that it’s available in the States! I’m looking forward to trying a couple bottles.
I have a wonderful Zenith pocket watch, in Silver with immaculate porcelain white dial, that is a Grand Prix Paris 1900 watch (engraved, with chain, etc.). Pretty cool and it works. Best part...I won it at auction for $225.
Brilliant episode, when do we get to see more Merch from you guys?
“To change the game or not to change the game… that is the question. Whether it is nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of another dive watch variant or to take arms against a sea of troubles and my brothers to design a sports dress watch, and end it. Tis a consummation devoutly to be wished!
But ah there’s the rub, all those watch channel influencers and enthousiasts.
Screw it, if necessary I shuffle off the mortal coil but will be the changer of games: (the Moonswatch… euhm sorry, that’s just silly… ) The Black Bay 58!! “
“What? It also a dive watch… but look at those guilted hands? Look at the bezel! It’s gorgeous damnit.”
extract from the watch archives 😅😎
Great video (and editing). Really relaxing seeing you guys discuss watches.
Excellent to have the bard join us 🎭
I was loving this episode until I heard the word Black Bay 58…. Come on Adrain. That was so lame. All jokes aside great episode. I love the Bremont shout out. Still surprised how little love GS gets in this podcast. Almost seems like your avoiding talking about them completely.
dont worry....its coming
Great show, thanks guys! Had me Googling more info on three different brands, great watch choices to talk about.
Guys you forgot the biggest gamechanger "the Moonswatch" 😂😉
It really deserves a spot, you’re right
As much as I love the speedmaster, I think omega should take it a bit easy with the moon watch name
Especially since they never went to the 🌙 moon.
Great choices. And another vote for ‘Black Bay is not a boring choice’. As articulated - or at least my interpretation - were watches that elevated the brand. BB certainly succeeded. To the extent of rubbing big brother Rolex’s nose in the dog droppings - same quality, affordable, and available.
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Frankly I am bit tired of people saying that you want such and such watch, just because you cant get a Rolex...please come up with something new...
And I’m wearing a vintage Seamaster that works great but doesn’t run, what a horologist I am
getting the Hammy Khaki Field Titanium on deep blue dial but with way more interesting orange leather strap! problem is out of stock on the website', coming soon though. its hot! great show again guys, very entertaining keep it effin going!
Agree with all the picks except the Bremont shilling haha
Fair enough, but I’m backing George in - Bremont had nothing to do with my opinion which is the MB3 rocks - Andrew
I may be in the minority I prefer the Zenith’s watch over the Daytona
Pretty sure many are I. Your camp jesse
The Octo Finissimo, Historiques American 1921 and Laureato are the three winners ... especially the Bvlgari. The rest can suck it.
A true game changer for me is the Grand Seiko Snowflake, and should have made it on the list ahead of all the others mentioned, with the possible exception of the Octo Finissimo. In my view the Snowflake revolutionized the brand, and was a precursor to all the astounding models GS has released since that time, particularly with its Spring Drive movement.
Just starting the vid. This one looks very very promising. Bamford brings the Breitling surf board, which is just killer. But you spelled Breitling wrong on the graphic (“Brietling “).
Finally some Bremont love. So deserving. 🇬🇧
IMHO, and as an Omega fanboy, Tudor BB is tha bomb/Gamechanger. Zenith and Omega runs in my family's veins, and I do not care for the Big brother of the Tudor but I am looking for my 3th BB, most likely the smaller and blue BB58 or the 925. All other mentioned watches I do admire and love, perhaps not Bremont as much (excluding micros), but budget-wise non of them fit most wallets as well as BBs do.
Moonswatch, Tissot PRX, Bulgari Octo, Grand Seiko Spring Drive Snowflake, Casioak, Jacques Droz Grande Seconde.
I've had my Grand Seiko SBGR251 for exactly 2 years now. It's been running around +2s/day. About 1 1/2 weeks ago, it started running - 2 minutes a day. IDK what's wrong. Usual wearing, nothing special happened. Idk what happened.
That's a really good point, the Snowflake was a game changer for GS.
Keep up the good work gents! This topic got me thinking about my own list. These made waves in the industry, for better or worse...
1. Bvlgari Octo Finissimo
2. Swatch Sistem51
3. Tudor Black Bay
4. CasiOak G-Shock
5. anOrdain model 1
6. Rolex OP in turquoise (because almost every microbrand/independent jumped on this bandwagon)
7. MoonSwatch (honorable mention)
Whats the back story to seven Friday?
Thought for BYOI... Sinn?
Def will attack that in the future. Good shout.