How Bad Was The M6 Heavy?
Vložit
- čas přidán 4. 02. 2022
- When people think about US tanks, heavy tanks generally don't come to mind. The most noteworthy American heavy tanks were probably the M103 and T28, which is a shame, because they likely wouldn't have existed without the M6 / M6A1. The M6 was the US Army's first foray into heavy armored fighting vehicles since the Mark VIII Liberty, a World War 1 era vehicle. It may not have entered service itself, but the M6 helped pave the way for bigger and better designs. So why was it canceled in the first place?
Check the channel "About" section for the link to the creator of my profile picture.
Sources:
Firepower by R.P. Hunnicutt
Test of Heavy Tank M6A1, Report No. PG-2.626
AD65653 Tank Fire Control Systems Study
Final Report, Test of Heavy Tanks, M6 and M6A1, AB-383F
American Tanks & AFVs of World War II by Michael Green
The Ordnance Department: Procurement and Supply
Songs used (in order from first to last):
Subnautica - Into the Unknown
Halo 3: ODST - Rain (Deference for Darkness)
Sound mods:
Epic Thunder (Pre-release)
Gunner HEAT PC Crew Voices Mod (Personal, go play the game: gunnerheatpc.com/ )
Sponsor: apexgamingpcs.com/pages/spook...
Second channel: / @spookstoon
Patreon: / spookston
Twitter: / spookston
Reddit: /u/spookston
Discord: See my Patreon page.
Twitch: / spookstonwt
Steam: goo.gl/BYQjC9
#warthunder #tanks #tankhistory - Hry
I think I would like to do the Jagdtiger or Jagdpanther next, but I think it would be cool for you guys to pick the one after that. Feel free to leave a suggestion in a separate comment.
Post War Shermans?
Spookston, how do you be surviving that long in these Shermans bro? My maximum life time in these things is cursed to about 3-5 minutes.
What about the WW1 German tanks?
Can you do jagdtiger? It's interesting
The M-50 Ontos in Vietnam
didn't they use this thing during the war as basically an early monster truck to drum up support for the army by just having a couple in cities demolishing old cars from junkyards?
some were used for this. The main goal was to sell warbonds
I’d say a massive metal beast is perfect for propaganda. Think of how good the Maus would be in pamphlets!
The Soviet T-35 was also used for this purpose, doing quite well!
@@foxxojones4757 well good to see that highly impractical inventions at least have some use.
Like a real-life Captain America!
Love the M6. Never actually used it, but those angled plates on the sides are my best friend when fighting them It's like a tank shut off button
m6 is a free kill in any br because of those plates
It's really a medium tank. Very fun to use the two guns plus the 50 cals
@@jPlanerv2 I've had multiple 10 kill games with it, but realistically it's all luck, if an enemy sees you first, typically you're dead
the sides plates are the worst, cant angle
@@void1n yeah they're awful to deal with, my best advice is keep pushing, you're dead either way so it's best to keep them on the defensive and start blasting
On a conceptual level the M6 isn't a bad vehicle at all, it unfortunately was held back by mechanical issues and how far the fighting was taking place from US soil and factories. Had it been in some sort of continental war in North America it likely could've filled the same niche heavy tanks of other nations did.
Not really. The North American continent before the 50's was hardly a bastion of infrastructure. With varying terrains & only poor roads & the occasional train track connecting it all. I mean, the Texas/Mexico border alone is about 3 times the length of all the trenches fought over in WW1 on the Western front, & the US Army at the time knew that. It's why, against all reason, horse cavalry was held onto for as long as it was. Because horse cavalry makes sense... in the American Southwest, where the terrain doesn't favor hauling heavy artillery, & the infrastructure for modern aircraft is sparse to nonexistent.
In any event, the niche for an American heavy tank never really existed in any of the major theatres the US fought in.
There are two nations people usually think about when talking about heavy tanks - Germany and USSR. There's also France and Britain, but I would go out of my way to say that battle tank and infantry tank are still MEDIUM tanks. B1bis and Churchill were contemporary analogues to Pz.IV, T-28E and M3Lee, not KV-1 and surely not Tiger.
Back to the topic,
1)german heavy tanks are finally recognized as mostly a design failures with their weight being a real gravestone to their existence. Germans followed the very same road soviets didn't with KV-150/220/3. And got the same result as soviets did with KV-1 and KV-3 prototype - engine and transmission trouble, questionable effectiveness due to enemy artillery and air superiority.
2)soviets on the other hand learned from KV-1 and switched the rails. Essentially their tank development switched to "fat mediums". First they filled off the armor to get KV-1s with new transmission, then they decided to make a hybrid of T-34 and KV-1 design technology ie KV-13, while that was being developed they switched to 85mm gun on KV-85 and made heavy IS-1 from "fat medium" KV-13, then they upgunned it to IS-2 because 85mm ended up on T-34-85 already and then they finished off by optimizing hull and turret shape on IS-3(which basically is the same as IS-2 except that). "Monstrous" IS-2 has the same weight class as Panther and Pershing. But it has smaller target profile and has much more powerful gun. The "soviet approach" to heavy tanks would have just resulted in shorter Panther with rear transmission and armed with Kwk43 or shorter Pershing with long 90mm from T32 aka similar to real M26E5(was it E5?).
The M6 is my favorite tank of all time. Really sad to know It didn't actually get to fight in the War. But the lucky tanker who got to run over cars with it.... Props to him.
Honestly looking at what M6 would be up against, it's probably for the better, On a pure pound for pound, it weighs as much as two Shermans, has a gun that was actually mounted in the Sherman (even if Armored Branch rejected it on ergonomic grounds), and wasn't that much better protected than a Sherman. Compare it to the German heavy tank, Tiger, which ways about the same amount.
@@RedShocktrooperRST Indeed I feel they should've did away with the Radial engine and should've gone with a V12 or V16 engine which would allow a reduce of size and weight.
@@bossbingus7457 I suspect a "superor M6" starts to resemble "invent T14 or the Jumbo early" the more you think about it.
@@RedShocktrooperRST Yeah the electric transmission was a really good idea along with it's turret design but the hull, though it looked cool, it wasn't as effective compared to other designs
@@RedShocktrooperRST The US reviewed all previous armor specifications, and finalized a new armor setup for the late production M6s in late 1942 following the measurement at Milford: (The armor upgrade weighed 9,500 lb (4.3 ton))
Late production M6A2's had way more armor than any M4 apart from the jumbo, Fixated mantlet is 101.6 and the Elevating mantlet is 50.8 mm (the elevating mantlet attached to the gun) so 152,4mm total. The turret had 101.6 mm sides/rear and 34.925 - 41.275 mm roof armor., that's more than the Tiger ll and IS-2, and every single part of the tank got thicker compared to early production M6's apart from the floor that stayed at 25.4 mm.
They also tested the 90mm in the T1E1 and in late 1943 they tried it in a late production M6A2, and it got positive feedback. It had a rate of fire of: 8 RPM (7.5 seconds)
The M6A2 also has better mobility than any M4 variant despite being heavier than any one them. It accelerate faster than any m4 variant, with a top speed of 43 km/h fowards and -43 km/h in reverse.
What killed it was it's weight like you said, however late production m6's were much better than tiger l's in every single aspect apart from being taller, and also gave less problems.
I remember this tank for one thing.
I was playing realistic and was using this thing, and a Tiger and EBR destroyed my barrel, but I still had my 37 mm.
Before they could shoot me, I fired the 37 mm and it killed the EBR and the Tiger fled because my team came to my rescue :)
"Two cannons in a tank are useless reeeee!"
Ah yes
I loved this tank for that
Usually, I spot some tank that appears a little eager
Then I only fire my 37 mm coax
Usually, the eager ones can be tricked into thinking you just fired your primary.
And so you know how that story ends
@@MrDwarfpitcher I've seen that tactic, but it never worked when I tried it.
@@TheoHawk316 usually it work with player that was inexperienced with the cannon sound and or didn't pay attention to that. Also the 76 is longer than 37 meaning that when 37 is fired, the muzzle flash appear closer to the turret than 76
@@rain_f Eh I'll just use the 37 as a cannon for light targets XD
Could you do the M41 Bulldog in a video? Defo one of the coolest tanks IMO
Agreed
I'd like to learn more about this line of development. So how about we see the T29/T30/T34 American heavy tanks in a future video?
I believe if they had deployed the M6 early war, we would've learned it was a bad idea, but the Sherman's evolution would have actually been sped up.
By the time the M6 could have even possibly seen combat service, development into up-gunning the Sherman was already underway. So I don't think it really would have done much.
@@Robloxman01 I think by the time M6 would've been ready to fight (in Italy, IIRC), we had already taken its gun, put it in Sherman, tested it, went "this technically works but is an ergonomical nightmare" and set aside fundings to develop 3" M7 into 76mm M1.
The thing that killed M6 was the fact that it weighed as much as two Shermans but had basically the same armor and, especially after they got a 76mm gun to fit, the same teeth.
The later T32 might have been worth pursuing and type classifying since it was just a Thicc Pershing and was a promising vehicle, but there's no way that happens without either giving the Allies a spook about IS-3 sooner, or extending the war in Europe. For the tonnage it might arguably be worth it, especially since it was a development of M26 (which, yes, is a medium tank, but they were working from something good and T32 was a more matured program compared to the attempts to rush M26 into production).
However the only way "Heavy Tank M32" comes into service is as a direct replacement for Jumbo, M26, and possibly also Churchill Mk VIII due to IS Panic.
The T-29 series of tanks were also originally going to be pursued as potential production vehicles before a certain major event in 1945 removed all need for them. Similarly, a "Pershing Jumbo" which was to the normal Pershing what Sherman Jumbo is to the Sherman in terms of the level of uparmoring was ordered in numbers prior to the end of the war, then canceled. Hypervelocity guns like that seen on the Super Pershing and 105mm howitzers were also going to be deployed were it not for the end (luckily) arriving earlier then expected.
The T26E5 is even more similar to the T26E3, just thiccer, basically a Jumbo Pershing.
The gun is the same for some reason
@@JohnDoe-jh9cf 105mm T5E1 or E2 might be a good choice to upgrade over the 90mm T15E2 the T32 was armed with. A tank manufactured with more armor instead of having it welded on ala Super Pershing in a manner akin to the Field Expedient Jumbo. In fact, wasn't the armor package of the Super Pershing field expedient and it just went over to Europe with the gun being the only difference?
With all due respect, I see nothing a concentrated development program could not have solved, and the reason this did not happen was the feeling that the Sherman is just enough given that one could produce huge numbers of Shermans and simply drown the Germans with it. A properly sorted M6 with a 105 mm cannon would have the equal of a Tiger II (or the better) but who cares when you can use three cheap Shermans to do the same job. If on the way there the Tiger knocks out 10 Shermans it just does not matter - life and ordinance were cheap (now of course after local commanders in the field started making a fuss it pushed the M26 program is another story but).
As someone who plays wot from time to time it keeps me up at night
The penetration and armor especially in a game with up to 3 tiers in one match makes it impossible to defeat if you have bad luck with matching
This thing is in a decent place in WoT but only because of its gun and surprisingly good speed. If you don't brawl with it in WoT it's great.
@@empire-classfirenationbatt2691 you either absolutely dominate tier 4, or get ABSOLUTELY DOMINATED BY tier 8 premiums
@@BlackoutGootraxian you get dominated by literally everything thats a tier above you in every tank. Premiums are OP but literally every tier 8 is compared to a tier 6.
In wotb it's a worse tier for tier tank than the T1 Heavy
I actually have all three barrel rings on mine. I also got my Kolobanov's in it.. way back when there were only three tank lines. The Tier 5 version, that is, I couldn't wrap my head around the 90mm being in the tiny turret.
I just got back into War Thunder a few months ago after taking a five year hiatus. I absolutely love the M6 as far as the game goes.
welcome back!
Do you regret it?
M6A1 is so damn fun at 4.7. It's so nice to play something American at that BR that has somewhat effective armor and a good gun
@@michaelbeale559 yeah it was quite fun except for the traverse speed which sucked (if you were still) but it kinda applies to all of the shermans too so idk
@@rounakrai8187 I think I'm just used to that playing with US tanks. Gotta give it a little gas going forward then turn. US didn't believe in neutral steering 😂
The M6 is cool looking tbh
I like American tank aesthetics and the M6 checks all the boxes.
@@Zorro9129 I did to
It's a beauty, specially the A1E1 variant.
Hey Spooks thanks for the videos. One interesting one you could do a video is on the S35 Souma which at least in popular memory was the "Only good French tank" of the war. Was it actually a good tank?
Well, it still has a one-man turret, so it can’t be too amazing. It has three crew, but one of them is in the hull, either playing with the radio if he had one or handing ammo to the commander/gunner/loader. The lazy bastard doesn’t even have a hull machine gun to occupy himself with.
can you PLEASE make a "how bad was" video about the is4m ? it is my fav tank :D
btw great video
hi spookston managed to meet you making this video nice video man
Wait you were in this gameplay!? That must’ve been really cool!
One of my favorite tanks. I keep a handful of HE's for the 37mm. It has saved me numerous times when a flak bus gets over penned by the APHE of the main gun.
Edit: for anyone wanting more information, check out ConeOfArc
I would like to see a video on the M50 Ontos. Pretty fun in game and quite unique in game and life.
Good video as always! Italian m14/41 please
t1 prototype looked much different then the final m6 draft, it had a smaller turret that had a center piece stick out to allow 10 degree of gun depression. also m6 had a super mutant variant with a large turret that made the m6 as large as the maus lol
Hi Spookston another great video but i have a request could you make video about evrything wrong with Star Craft Terran vehicles (Siege Tank, Viking, Thor or Odin)?
Thank you for making a video about my favourite tank xD
You mean *OUR* favorite tank.
@@expandedhistory finally another person that likes this one :D
@@4Mik We’re in this together :D
@@4Mik Also when you have the time you should check channel out. I make military history videos and I’m certain you’d love it!
@@expandedhistory for sure dude :D maybe also take a look at my channel, I jus started uploading some war thunder videos. I'd recommend that you watch the "Im a car!" video xD
Please consider doing a video on how to play light tanks, especially how not do die in them!
I'd like you to do the PT-76, no one really talks about it.
In warthunder this is one of my favorite tanks. I love strong coax/auxiliary guns, it’s why I picked US first for the 12.7mm on everything . Im looking forward to unlocking the French/US tanks with commanders 20mm
i found spook in a 9.0 match i am keeping that screenshot once in a lifetime chance! P.S. Love the vids and keep up the great work!
Weirdly enough I don't recall people saying that putting M6 into the trash was a mistake, just that putting M6 *turret* together with the whole vehicle in the trash was. And for that one I've heard several opinions:
1)use existing turrets on M4's due to shared turret ring in the form similar to how british used Fireflies as fire support/antitank vehicles;
2)make it a shared project with T14 hull and M6 turret which would be seeing final assembly in UK(I guess this one comes from WoT forums, lol);
3)and absolutely wild suggestion to make it a standard M4 turret in line with "M4 Improved".
But saying that whole M6 was okay is news to me.
care to expand on transmissions? i thought that torque converter is another term for a fluid coupling clutch and Hydramatic is a trademark name of a type of automatic transmission using planetary gears and fluid coupling clutch.
Hydramatic was Buick's patented name for their automatic transmission. The fluid drive in the M6 was designed differently than the Hydramatic. It used #1 Diesel fuel as the transmission fluid. There are articles online about the fluid and electric drives used in the M6. Both worked well yet both required more maintenance and repairs that the Army expected to keep operating properly.
Considering the M6 was developed and produced in 1941 before the Sherman entered production: it was pretty ahead of its time as it was produced alongside the M3 Lee. It would have given the early Panzer 3 & 4 tanks a run for their money with its armor and gun, but like every other nation it was going to be a huge struggle to get a nearly 60 ton tank moving. The project wasn't a waste though as the 76mm gun on the M6 was later used on the M10.
epik video as always
Could you cover some british tanks? I would love to hear your opinion about Crusaders, Churchills or Cromwells
I love dual gun/dual turret tanks in war thunder. Shooting the small gun at a corner usually works at making the enemy pop out, then the big gun makes easy work out of thwm
I do really love wartime programs like this.
I’d love to see a video on the first tank fielded in combat
One of my fav tanks to use at the BR, killed many a tiger with it. First the barrel, then the tansmission, then go in for sideshot.
In 1939 the US Army only had the M2 light tank and a Christie concept combat car. The Army declared the combat car was obsolete so began work improving the M2 while designing the M4 and M6 at the same time. The Army felt that the Germans were designing a heavy tank then so it would be a good idea to have one, too. Ordnance chose a fluid drive to avoid burning out friction clutches. The Armor Board was interested in the gas-electric drive since it would allow the monster to rotate 360 degrees in place and achieve the same speeds in forward and reverse. The GE system used a generator driven by the radial engine that supplied the current to an electric motor on each rear drive sprocket. Only one electric drive prototype was built for testing. The Army liked it's performance (top speed of 25 mph) but it added 5 tons to the weight of the tank and required frequent repairs so it was nixed with the electric drive subjected to further development. The fluid drive was a torque converter that used #1 Diesel as the fluid. It worked OK yet required too much maintenance and freaquent repairs that proved difficult to iron out. The Army also had problems with short track life with improved versions wearing out or breaking faster than the original design. The test crews constantly bitched about their cramped working conditions, lousy ventilation system and a lack of escape hatches. The Army said they didn't want it for various reasons so the Armor Board cancelled it's production. The 40 produced were used for War Bond drives where they squashed cars to show it's might. Others were sent to training bases where the Ordnance set various heavy turret designs holding big guns for testing and training their crews. The Army kept one for a museum display and had the remaining 39 cut up for scrap once those were no longer needed. Since the M6 resembled the M4, it was nicknamed Junior.
Would love to see a video about a tank that served in both theatre's during WWII. Something that maybe lacked in one theatre doing better in the other, or the "evolution"/field modifications made by one theatre and not the other
Matilda tank would be perfect for this! It's also a beautiful tank thats very overlooked
That is insane play.
as a train enthusiast i was not expecting baldwin loco works to be mentioned
"important stepping stone" It looks like a hard to climb up onto xD
Any chance you could do a video or two on the T18e2 boarhound, had even less produced than the M6 at approximately 30 total and didn't see combat but was used in an active theatre in North Africa as convoy escort.
Would love to see a how good was the Jumbo video
one of my fav tanks ingame, really interesting to hear that it was failed
I would love to see a video on the t32 t29 t30 and t34 heavy tanks
What about making such video about the Sd.Kfz. 234? It's an absolute monster in War Thunder, however I've heard that it was actually quite bad irl
tank: exist, his trasmission: "im head outta"
I love the story of the m6 reminds me of the kv 1 a heavy tank made redundant xause the medium tank it's supposed to support can do and be made on a larger scale
I've seen you in a game and I knew its gonna be m6 video
Damn that last shot was pretty good. You could barely tell that it was a tank.
I was thinking the same thing.
How can you tell the smoke gray from the dicker max gray lol.
Do you have the videos in the background on stock or did you play for each video for footage?
Before i play the jumbo this tank was so interesting to play not gonna lie y all should try the m6a1 heavy its very enjoyable to play
Can you do one on the comet or Chaffe?
I love the look of the m6 and while i would love more to have been built ik it wasnt a good idea but i can wish lol
Used this big boi for the event no problem using it aggressively. Kv’s and tigers hard a hard time with me
I’m surprised you didn’t mention the fact that even shipping them at all would have been extremely difficult, as the majority of US dockyard cranes had a weight limit of about 40 tons and were thus incapable of lifting the M6 hull to load it onto the transport ships. This would also be an issue for unloading them when they got where they were going.
Whether or not the tank would be useful overseas is kind of a moot point if you can’t get it overseas in the first place.
Would you like to see the M6 with the 90mm introduced into the game? It was made and tested. It could be given a poor reload speed at put at 5.6 to fill the gap made by the jumbo 76 being moved up.
Maybe do a video about the British Churchill
US committees really be designing Baneblades out there
I’d like to see you talk about some of the T heavy’s from America. Like the T-29 or T-34.
could u make make a pt problem video? that thing is way too op
I have a idea for a new" how bad was" the AMX 50 can by a interesting tank.
The ARL-44 was pretty shitty too.
Ultimately, I think the M-6 could have been a successful AFV with continued refinement, as it was capable of upgrading to the 90mm gun that American tanks so needed. The problem with it is that it just wasn't economical. Two M6's, especially upgraded to either the 76mm or 105mm weapon system, were just so much more useful. And the M36 TD had the 90mm gun on a Sherman chassis, so even then two M36's were probably more useful than one M6. But that tank is such a beast when you get the transmission issues ironed out.
hey spooks, how do you scroll the range of the sights? I can't seem to figure out where that is in the settings
Suggestion: how bad is the jumbo?
can you make one with the bulldog becouse most people dont now that tanks was used in the vietnam war
Hey spookston did they silent nerf the German 88 pak 43 specifically the jagdpanther and tiger 2 p. After the updated economic changes I haven't been able to use them. Bouncing off of charioteer and rear of jumbos and sides of is and kv an t34 an even pt 76 it went through hull but never blows up
Got another tank you could use. How bad was the M50 Ontos? It was one of the most unique tanks of its time as it had 6 TURRETS but it was never used to its full potential.
How were the BMP's? Or BTR's? Ik is broad because bmp 1,2,3 but they're all similiar enough
do T95/T28, i wonder if they even existed
My suggestion: How bad was the T14 Assault Tank?
+1 on the idea of the jagdpanther/tiger
I really love these videos haha. You nail the niche perfectly. I struggle to think of another CZcamsr, maybe operations room, who I watch literally every video of
Did u do the su-152
You could talk about non-major power tanks like 7TP.
A stepping stone leading to a stepping stone, ending in another stepping stone.
how bad was the stug, maybe you can cover the modifications like the extra armour?
How bad was the Wirbelwind?
I was in Spookstons match inside a merkava 2D and spookston died like in 1 minute lmao
How bad was t55e1 prototype?
The angled plates on the front always get me killed but I doubt the US tank design team had side scraping in mind
Thing is they needed a viable weapon not a stepping stone. It would have streamlined development greatly to study and copy heavy tanks from other nations. Then modify as needed. It wouldn't have been perfect, but it would have been functional and produced a weapon that was actually usable. This is a problem that stretches back a long way with US weapons development. It's wasteful and takes too long to come up with something useful.
The original concept was probably copied from the UK's Independent or the USSR's T-35, and Germany's Tiger (the most successful heavy tank of the war, except perhaps for the Churchill) hadn't been unveiled yet.
at the time of the M6 conception, the known existing heavy tanks were:
FCM 2C
B1bis
A1E1 independent
T-35
maybe KV-1
@@quentintin1 that’s kind of the thing with the M6, people judge it compared to the tanks made when it was done, rather than what existed when it was conceived, which was at the same time as the M3 medium. You could argue that when the first prototype was delivered, its M1918 3-inch gun was the most powerful tank gun in the world. Sure, it was a little out of date by the time the program ended, but the US has always favored delivering something perfect later rather than adequate now.
@@quentintin1 The B1 was more of an assault gun intended to anti emplacement work. It was obsolete by the time it rolled off the factory and even the French knew it.
The FCM wasn't much better.
The A1E1 was precisely the kind of land yacht they were trying to get away from.
Same for the T-35.
So that leaves the KV-1. Which for it's time was ok. It lacked in firepower, and it was a bit slow. But it did the job and would provide a good starting point to work up from. I'm not saying copy it exactly, but by that time they knew where heavy tanks were going and could have used it as an example to follow. The trick isn't to slavishly copy it, but to point your designers at it and say "Do that but better" and let them work. Most of the heavy lifting is already done so it's just a matter of correcting for what you can produce and need. Most engineering is just iteration on someone else's idea anyway. It doesn't happen in a vacuum.
@@Zorro9129 The KV-1 had been though. And that is the direction I was implying they could have gone in. As I told another commenter, it wasn't perfect but it could have been used as a example of where to start with a native heavy tank. They knew by that time loosely where things were going. So the KV would have stood out as a comparatively futuristic design compared to it's peers.
Ans for some reason. The tank is in the tigerfibel (translated version: page 142)
Him: how bad is the my heavy?
Le me: bad enough to give my ARL 44 an panic attack whenever we cross paths
Compare one on one with Tiger E.
M10/Achilles?
Archer could also be pretty neat
Spook proceeds to tell me how ass the tank was.
Also spookston: makes the entire enemy team look like extras in Rambo
I had no idea it had that many bugs right up to the end! Good to know {some say the US Army made the wrong choice because it left them with nothing to really cope with the German Tigers and panzer Mark 5 Panthers}. But from the sound of things that hardly would have improved things!
It was pretty unnecessary for the Pacific and in Europe for the rare situation that a heavy tank might be require they had a reliable, and prove heavy tank in the British Churchill so yeah giving shipping space to M4s was a good idea.
Imagine if this thing didnt have the angled corner plates.
The M6A1 never managed to fail me in War Thunder, It's incredibly fun.
A giant target with the frontal armor of a light tank mobility of a bathtub and the gun of a goddamn winner.
It’s the same gun as the M10
@@Shaun_Jones like I said, a god damn winner
Honestly I think if the U.S. Army incorporated heavy tanks it could have ended the war in Europe much more decisively and quickly. In HOI4 I've had a bunch of fun making these big boys.
Would've been more of a drag, most axis AT elements could pretty consistently pen it latewar, and with less numbers with heavier weight making it harder to transport, would mean less tanks in the field in total. Would've slowed the fight down to be sure.
how and why would it have occured the way you state?
@@josephdedrick9337 The USA had no shortage of tanks, so it could afford the production capacity for bigger and better vehicles. Transportation was the biggest challenge but it's not like the U.S. was short on convoys either.
Although the Jumbo Sherman was a makeshift solution, a dedicated heavy tank could smash through the lines and even engage with enemy armor with more impunity. The M26 sorta did this but came a bit too late.
@@Zorro9129 what issues did the USA honestly have with German armor? Also it was extra logistical burden for what actual benefits in capability again?
@@josephdedrick9337 Shermans were decent tanks, but if they went up against heavy AT resistance, or against something like a panther, they would need to call in other assets to reliably deal with them, which slowed down the advance. If the U.S. Army had a heavy tank the Battle of the Bulge would have been less likely to occur because the Americans would have had a more effective counter. Also, the Siegfried Line would have been less of a concern.
I like the subnatica music i think it is
Fun to play though
Historical aspects aside, the M6 & M4a3(105) are my favorite lower tier US tanks in War Thunder.
average spookston video "yeah this vehicle is very bad" also makes 20 kills with it in background
I don't think it would've done well on the battlefield to be honest
Facing the Tiger I, Panzer IVs, and pak anti tank guns, the flat armor of the M6 would've been a burden really. Which is why the M6A1E2 was developed (and is in war thunder, and you should probably make a video on it), to add a better front plate that looked really odd. Basically a big wedge of steel add on armor.
The M26 Pershing was our heavy tank and was shipped over to Europe in late 1944. It proved to be much more capable than the M4 Sherman and was very effective against German tanks. The American tankers loved it because they finally had a tank that was equal to any thing the Germans had. The problem was it came a little too late because American generals at first didn't want them because of differences in ammunition and the bugs hadn't been worked out enough to be seen as a reliable weapon. So the M26 was put on hold until reports came back from France urgently asking for more firepower. General Eisenhower wrote up a report canceling 75mm low velocity gun Shermans and M3 Stuart light tanks in favor of the newly released M4A3E8 Shermans as a replacement and also highly recommended that the M26 Pershing be brought into service for the push into Germany. The British army before the D- Day invasion were supplemented with the Sherman Firefly with its 17 pounder high velocity gun and were going to supply American forces with some but the American ordnance department said NO because the 17 pounder wasn't in their inventory nor did American crews have much training with it. Also the gun was much bigger which took up to much space in the turret in their opinion. So when American tank crews landed in and fought in France the only weapons they had were the 75mm Shermans M3/ M5 Stuarts and M10 and M18 Hellcat tank destroyers. The M18 would prove to be the only armored vehicle to be able to achieve success against German Panzer 4 and Panthers.
You act like Spookston doesnt know what an M26 is.
The M26 Pershing wasn't wanted by the Army. Congress was worried about being re-elected in the 1944 November General Elections so ordered the War Department to get a heavy tank into combat in Europe before the elections. Ordnance then super sized the T25 heavy medium into the T26 heavy tank by late 1943. It was approved by the Army in January of '44 with contracts let out in February. The assembly plant was ready by September but didn't have any parts to assemble due to delays in obtaining the machinery and materials. Production started after the elections where 14 were assembled in November and 24 in December. Congress had ordered for the first 20 made to be shipped to Europe ASAP so Ordnance ran the first 3 made around a track for 500 miles to see how well those held up. Two made it OK with one losing a road wheel after 300 miles. Ordnance declared the M26 was good to go without further testing so spent the next 60 days waiting on flatcars to take them to the port. Those arrived in Antwerp in early February of 1945 without trained crews, mechanics and a store of replacement parts. The Army refused to use them for nearly a month before being ordered to by Ike. Those were divided up amongst the battle groups that didn't want them in the first place. They couldn't keep up with their advancing columns without breaking down so were kept at the rear traveling slower then were called up when needed. That required a wait of 20 to 30 minutes so the problem tanks or bunkers were often destroyed by the time they arrived. Army records showed that the M26 Pershings only knocked out 12 to 14 German tanks before the war ended. They reported a considerable number of hits on distant targets that resembled tanks yet those couldn't be found by the advancing GIs.
I was using the m6a1 when I first saw a tiger. Didn't go well for me
Oh...How Bad was the Churchill series?