I raced Mirrors and Enterprises back at Shustoke reservoir 79 - 84 . If you had showed me this video back then, I wouldn’t have believed it ! It’s hard for me to grasp how much fun youngsters can have now. Best wishes to everyone involved in this.
COOL MAN! Thanks for sharing. Laser full rig was my first boat... bought it for $900 after working $3-5 per hour in my early teens doing babysitting and yardwork in town.
In a few years this could be implemented in all kind of boats. I've seen an Optimist foiling with 5 knots of wind so imagine the future championships with all those little botas foiling...that will be spectacular.
Which speed achieve your boat? Its all build in foam? The centreboard was built for you? Here is more expensive one of them. Please comment me this things. Very thanfull and many greetings from Argentine
I had a windmill about the same size... 4 meters, basically... daggerboard keel... planing hull....felt like flying to me when I was in high school... this looks like the future in personal water transport...
looks like the rudder could do with profiling, max amount in water when none foiling and slowly decreases as the boat lifts out, a ratio of how much keel is in the water perhaps. Love to have a go, looks great fast fun.
You definitely must have great boat /sail handling skills to be able to do this without ending up the water with sail right over you.....but it looks great....
That looks really hard. Very twitchy. Although the laser is an amazing boat, do you think it might not be best suited for a foil and why? What would you do to a boat to make it more stable for a foil and not lose the performance of a laser?
Normal ones? Are you a spoilt brat? Too much foiling cats in your garden? If you ask for foil specs, you are a specialist. It takes computer simulations to design those things, if you want to win a race.
Didnt convince New York YC the “bulb” was OUT and FOIL WAS IN (& how so!). My 1982-mod laser Tri keel with dual working foils was sooo close & hoped to be more stable than mono foil.
OK, fine boat and "driver". But why do you think a so strong music on the beginning will attract people ? I jumped to the button to cut it (sound and images). Then I re-started with sound off.
water and air are technically both fluids, you create (like with an airplane wing) more fluid speed on one side in comparison to the oder side of the wing. the difference creates sucktion and will lift you up in the air or out of the water. another point is just the angle of the wing, comparable with holding your flat hand out of the window while driving a car. if you angle up your hand you produce lift and if you angle it down you create downforce. Greetings from germany!
Sail Laser since 89...Now the ILCA 7 are 30 kg lighter.. Upwind with tactics I still win them but the rest they are much more speed, much lighter.. Old Standard and the new, same points... Nowadays they are poor on tactics, trainers (?) supporting, gyms.. Not in Laser competition anymore, only some Regional regatta... Big boats for some years... Not the same.. Sometimes is like a job when we sometimes had problems with colegues of work.. "Team" work depends sometimes and strongly with character, attitude and personality of people..And coordenation.. Crews are not always the same.. Diplomacy... Laser is to ride at high speed with myself.. Great boat in everything.. 👍👌
It's pretty crazy to think a foil can lift a laser hull out the water and still be faster through the water. The angles must be causing a lot of drag. I guess it only has to be less than the hull and the centreboard but Wow. Surprised the Full rig has the power to do this. I wonder how the heel compares? Less centreboard in the water so more heel but it goes faster so less relative forces on the sailplan. Interesting equation. If I was 10 years younger I'd love to try it. Luv and Peace.
I'd guess the answer to balancing is to tilt the boat to the weather, like moth sailors and windsurfers do. That way you can harness more of the wind. Just start it in a reach then head up
@@fenui That seems intuitive but remember the more you tilt the boat off centre to windward the less lift is being provided to raise the hull. In fact it will increase drag. It will help combat weather helm which is a plus I suppose. I bet the Laser full rig is pretty marginal to lift at the best of times so I doubt the crazy angles of moths would be beneficial. Having said that I know nothing about this so it's idle speculation. I wish they could make a wing efficient enough to loft an L4K. That would tempt me back to fast dinghies. 🙂 Luv and Peace.
@@ianedmonds9191 if I understood correctly, you said more power should be available than standard, right? Then having an ARC1 rig can help. But at that point it's questionable if it's worth the price.
@@fenui I hadn't heard of Arc Rigs and had to look it up. That's awesome. Fully battened lightweight sail and spars would make a huge difference. All we need now is a carbon fibre hull... Luv and Peace.
Replying 2 years late, but the way these are balanced is by leaning them into the wind, and having the weight of the boat tipping it over and the wind tipping it back the other way cancel out.
Visibly the rig and sails need to be updated for the foiler version. When the laser accelerates, the old style mainsail looks like a potatoe bag, far too full for this job.
Yeah that's little more than half the price of a new Laser. Buuuut there are already over 200.000 Lasers around... a Laser that foils is a pretty great sales proposition when you compare it to the 40k foiling Cat that will need much more playspace... Other solo foils will set you back $15k (like the Waszp Moth) as a complete kit, but then you have to take looong shipping times and probably import taxes into account. Plus if something breaks you will have problems, just slapping this upgrade on a laser will leave you with access to cheap sails and lots of compatible gear for your toy. Tho probably a hull that is designed for foiling will perform MUCH better, just because they will save a lot of weight in hull, which in turn improves balance and stability.
Obviously you are not very familiar with hydrodynamics and flying. By having the foils agled and v-angled it makes the behaviour more subtle. The lift and change of lift will decrease by the cosine and you should have at least a touch more margin of error.
As someone who is into sailing i definitely want to try one of those some day instead of just a regular laser *which is still cool too*
Lasers are awesome even the nonfoiling ones
Wonderful! Amazing! I love Laser! Greetings from Argentina.
not into sailing or anything but this looks so satisfying
I raced Mirrors and Enterprises back at Shustoke reservoir 79 - 84 . If you had showed me this video back then, I wouldn’t have believed it !
It’s hard for me to grasp how much fun youngsters can have now. Best wishes to everyone involved in this.
COOL MAN! Thanks for sharing. Laser full rig was my first boat... bought it for $900 after working $3-5 per hour in my early teens doing babysitting and yardwork in town.
Wow cool video x Hobie Cat sailor here probably some of the best times of my life
Neat that a boat designed years ago is still able to be pushed into the future.
That looks like a lot of work. Good for them.
David Geiger Yeah they make it look manageable but you can tell by the way that they make so many fast, micro changes smoothly- IT’S HARD 😂
Fantastic, thank you very much for showing this remarkable feat.
The amount of POWER in this video
Wow... just wow... these guys are wind surfers using boats. The skill level is just outstanding! Very well done!!!
Faz um vídeo com outro laser (normal) junto, para ver a diferença de desempenho. Abs
Wow it's definitely hard to maneuver these, very different once they lift off, so sensitive to balancing
That is AWESOME!!!
In a few years this could be implemented in all kind of boats. I've seen an Optimist foiling with 5 knots of wind so imagine the future championships with all those little botas foiling...that will be spectacular.
Looks like a lot of fun, but challenging.
incredible!
Absolutely brilliant!
How fast does it go when foiling?
the amazement of when those boats start to fly will never cease. its so obviously not computer animation, but still looks impossible.
МОЛОДЦЫ! Интересная идея
Which speed achieve your boat? Its all build in foam? The centreboard was built for you? Here is more expensive one of them. Please comment me this things. Very thanfull and many greetings from Argentine
I had a windmill about the same size... 4 meters, basically... daggerboard keel... planing hull....felt like flying to me when I was in high school... this looks like the future in personal water transport...
Brilliant!
looks like the rudder could do with profiling, max amount in water when none foiling and slowly decreases as the boat lifts out, a ratio of how much keel is in the water perhaps. Love to have a go, looks great fast fun.
that was amazing
Amazing.
Why do I always think that foiling are like magic?
Where can I buy this?
I think the twitchiness could be reduced massively with a dual centre foil design.
Show us your foil construction and set up.
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You definitely must have great boat /sail handling skills to be able to do this without ending up the water with sail right over you.....but it looks great....
Wow, that harry guy seems really angry with a lot of pent up aggression
I wonder what kind of speed a foiling Laser can attain?
That looks really hard. Very twitchy. Although the laser is an amazing boat, do you think it might not be best suited for a foil and why? What would you do to a boat to make it more stable for a foil and not lose the performance of a laser?
Robotic control.
How fast is it?
Did not realized that exists. Than you very much.
too touchy on the til when foiling? can not narrow the bottom portion rudder down ? (how we handle it on a hyrdo)
Where can i buy that
How big are the engines. ?
This keeps amazing me, nice!
glad you enjoyed!
Laser Hull: "Am I a joke to you?"
Sailing my life
How does it work??
Фантастика!
Any video of the rudder and main board with the foils out of the watere with some expanations on their differences to the normal ones?
Normal ones? Are you a spoilt brat? Too much foiling cats in your garden? If you ask for foil specs, you are a specialist. It takes computer simulations to design those things, if you want to win a race.
And what is a pdm Bur? Did you fight in the Bur War in 1897?
Labs! :)
This is very good ! Hi from Russia 😊
How much wind do you need that this crate starts to foil? 😂
Really amazing! How fast does the sailboat needs to move in order to create the minimum lift so it will take of?
Thanasis Tournatzis around 8mph
I wonder what the sensation is like transitioning from the hull on the choppy water to flying on the foil with the hull out of the water.
I’ve only foiled on a waszp in 5 knots but I can just say it feels kinda touchy
Didnt convince New York YC the “bulb” was OUT and FOIL WAS IN (& how so!). My 1982-mod laser Tri keel with dual working foils was sooo close & hoped to be more stable than mono foil.
The Banter is hilarious
Muito bom
is that a carbon boom in the video
Durchaus geil wie der aus dem Wasser abhebt.
Крутяк!!!
*_Хорошо когда ветер постоянный, ровный, а если рывками одно мучение._* 🙄😎😎
Гениально, тем не менее!
Класс 👍
What is the piece dragging on the water behind the foil?
speedo.
wolfy365 I think it is supposed to control the foil pitch or a trim tab on the foil to help control altitude above the water...
Hi! - it controls the foil pitch to stop it from coming too far out of the water! :)
the rudder you land lubber
It's called the Wand- controls foil pitch.
That self-trimming mechanism is quite clever if albeit a tad crude.
may be make wing 2 halves and use 2 trimmers levers would self-balance boat as well.
Is that what that dangly thing trailing the centreboard is?
How many knots?.. full out
Were can i buy Laser foil
So could I put this on my Sunfish as well?
No, sunfish strictly for pre schooners.
👍!!!
OK, fine boat and "driver". But why do you think a so strong music on the beginning will attract people ? I jumped to the button to cut it (sound and images). Then I re-started with sound off.
I would like to know how it works..
Like a plane wing-
produces lift in the water and "flys" up
water and air are technically both fluids, you create (like with an airplane wing) more fluid speed on one side in comparison to the oder side of the wing. the difference creates sucktion and will lift you up in the air or out of the water. another point is just the angle of the wing, comparable with holding your flat hand out of the window while driving a car. if you angle up your hand you produce lift and if you angle it down you create downforce. Greetings from germany!
Cap counts as extra sail area, right?
i want one
You gotta have some serious balance to foil a monohull...
1:25 I think they cut the wipe outs
Nominative determinism - mr harbours and mr blowers the sailors
Ну ладно
The rudder if that's what I think you mean
Could we get this in English??
Sail Laser since 89...Now the ILCA 7 are 30 kg lighter.. Upwind with tactics I still win them but the rest they are much more speed, much lighter.. Old Standard and the new, same points... Nowadays they are poor on tactics, trainers (?) supporting, gyms.. Not in Laser competition anymore, only some Regional regatta... Big boats for some years... Not the same.. Sometimes is like a job when we sometimes had problems with colegues of work.. "Team" work depends sometimes and strongly with character, attitude and personality of people..And coordenation.. Crews are not always the same.. Diplomacy... Laser is to ride at high speed with myself.. Great boat in everything.. 👍👌
Rotamız yoldur bizim.
Ne alaka abi Hahah
I want to do this
I wonder if a foiling boat (or surfboard) had ever hit a shark or large fish?
Saw a video of a kitesurfer hitting a shark yesterday. Probably hurt them both
Great video why put music to wreck it.
NA EPIC MUSIC IS ALWAYS WELCOME BETTER THEN SOMEONE PUTTING RAP OR METAL ROCK
It's pretty crazy to think a foil can lift a laser hull out the water and still be faster through the water.
The angles must be causing a lot of drag. I guess it only has to be less than the hull and the centreboard but Wow.
Surprised the Full rig has the power to do this.
I wonder how the heel compares? Less centreboard in the water so more heel but it goes faster so less relative forces on the sailplan.
Interesting equation.
If I was 10 years younger I'd love to try it.
Luv and Peace.
I'd guess the answer to balancing is to tilt the boat to the weather, like moth sailors and windsurfers do. That way you can harness more of the wind. Just start it in a reach then head up
@@fenui That seems intuitive but remember the more you tilt the boat off centre to windward the less lift is being provided to raise the hull.
In fact it will increase drag. It will help combat weather helm which is a plus I suppose.
I bet the Laser full rig is pretty marginal to lift at the best of times so I doubt the crazy angles of moths would be beneficial. Having said that I know nothing about this so it's idle speculation.
I wish they could make a wing efficient enough to loft an L4K. That would tempt me back to fast dinghies. 🙂
Luv and Peace.
@@ianedmonds9191 if I understood correctly, you said more power should be available than standard, right? Then having an ARC1 rig can help. But at that point it's questionable if it's worth the price.
@@fenui I hadn't heard of Arc Rigs and had to look it up. That's awesome. Fully battened lightweight sail and spars would make a huge difference. All we need now is a carbon fibre hull...
Luv and Peace.
I can't understand how they manage to keep the boat balanced on the foil. It seems like it would be impossible to keep it from pitchpoling
speed creates balance up until some point.Could you keep a motorcycle or bicycle from falling if its not moving? no
The rudder has horizontal stabilizers, like an aeroplane.
Replying 2 years late, but the way these are balanced is by leaning them into the wind, and having the weight of the boat tipping it over and the wind tipping it back the other way cancel out.
To add to this, the hull itself becomes a wing of sorts, even though it was never designed for that purpose.
Very good 😂😂
You have done what
ÉRIC TABARLY
did in 1976 !!!😂😂😂
funny!
Center of mass vs center of life is critical for flight no matter the craft.
Flying boat
Who else love sailing vids just cuz of other sailors being therw
Very good sailors, only please. --the mgmt.
The Pharoah's boat had hydro foils
cost than a phonehere and lets go in usa through the atlantic , was like pirate ships with wiches sailed around the earth
Omg cool))))
glad you like!
Это что лучи скрыл ми?
Iv got the looks lol 😆
Visibly the rig and sails need to be updated for the foiler version. When the laser accelerates, the old style mainsail looks like a potatoe bag, far too full for this job.
People actually work at laser performance?!
we got fucking megamind here guys
How much do these cost?
Axel - its a foil kit that you can fit to any laser, retails around £3k - we got the one in the video from Sea Sure www.sea-sure.co.uk
Eye watering 'ONLY' £3,650.00 for the kit from sailboats.co.uk, about right if they threw in a laser in with it..now wheres me 3d printer!
Yeah that's little more than half the price of a new Laser. Buuuut there are already over 200.000 Lasers around... a Laser that foils is a pretty great sales proposition when you compare it to the 40k foiling Cat that will need much more playspace...
Other solo foils will set you back $15k (like the Waszp Moth) as a complete kit, but then you have to take looong shipping times and probably import taxes into account. Plus if something breaks you will have problems, just slapping this upgrade on a laser will leave you with access to cheap sails and lots of compatible gear for your toy.
Tho probably a hull that is designed for foiling will perform MUCH better, just because they will save a lot of weight in hull, which in turn improves balance and stability.
лазер и так быстрая лодка - зачем ему крылья ?? с таким же успехом можно и оптимист на крыло поставить ))
Obviously you are not very familiar with hydrodynamics and flying. By having the foils agled and v-angled it makes the behaviour more subtle. The lift and change of lift will decrease by the cosine and you should have at least a touch more margin of error.
what a fucking beast
jou! Das machen wir auch!
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