This has to be one of the best episodes in the series due to the fact that I had no idea if they were gonna make it or be stuck in that hell forever. A true masterpiece
@@alexisd6106 100% agree!! If you know that every ending is just gonna be cheesy and flowers and butterflies, it removes the excitement and the suspense.
@@robertwoods8939 stop defending him he was a wuss its not our mistake that you can't get your shit straight and then went on to trap people for eternity
@@robertwoods8939 Someone being mean to you does not mean they deserve being tortured at your whim. Especially when they’re copies, so you’re essentially taking it out on a different person who had nothing to do with it.
@@ShivamPatel-yq7rr I think being ignited for all eternity without dying is an even bigger sacrifice, thankfully his suffering ended when the patch was enabled
As someone who read "I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream," the stakes were through the damned roof for me. I genuinely thought this episode was going to replicate that hell, but thank God it didn't. I was on the edge of my seat the whole time
how did it not? they're stuck in an MMO that will eventually fail. they're eventually going to tear each other apart for eternity and they cant die. Sounds very much like the book you mentioned.
Right, but Daly was adamant to stop them from getting the better of him. He gets knocked down all the time in the real world so he would hate to happen in a virtual reality he created.
When he got close to the update, he was detected as a hack, and the server was shutdown. That’s why he couldn’t get out. He lost control, and he’s basically an NPC now just stuck there, until his actual body dies.
@@joshuabradberry9823 well, he could have pissed himself in his real body and the piss travel to a socket and the fuse breaks, then he's out and mad, he will re-do his mod and get the DNA of everyone back and then put them back in and permanently make nichole not be able to breath forever. And permenantly kill tommy, torture him etc. What would they have done if he didnt get stuck? Coz he could just get the DNA back pretty easy lol
Since everyone seems to have forgot how this ended: the crew thought going through the wormhole/update would kill them permanently. Walton sacrifices himself to restart the engine, but they think he will not die permanently like entering the wormhole would. Instead he will die in the fire, but Daly could reanimate him and he would continue to be tortured for years to come. In reality, entering the wormhole puts them online into the live MMO game. Walton, despite vaporizing in the thruster exhaust, was reanimated in the MMO game too and lives out his days with the rest of the crew. Presumably the crew will only die when the game is taken offline many years in the future, but in the show it is implied that this game is very popular and will exist indefinitely like World of Warcraft.
Sadly, for me, this was the first episode I saw. There were some good episodes in the rest of the series for sure, but none could have ever possibly lived up to this one. None.
@@SadisticNinja sure as hell was a lot better than this dreck! Same can be said for The Entire History of You, White Christmas, Nosedive, Hated in the Nation, and Hang the D.J. - Far superior episodes!!
What if Daly was just pranking them with his admin controls pretending he couldn’t catch them and he teleported to them right before they escaped and then began torturing them.
@@daustin8888 No it wouldn't. This is a perfectly, well deserved, horrific ending for a villian that could have simply spoke up for himself in real life and avoided this nightmare. I loved this one just the way it is!
I actually always feel for Daly - there's a part of me that feels like he was pushed down this path owing to his demeanour. That doesn't justify what he does, but it makes me torn between hating him for what does, but admiring him for what he's done. 10/10 acting, brilliant story & directing. Definitely up there in the top BM episodes.
I don’t hate him, but I still think he’s far from admirable. He was so mad at the receptionist for ignoring him that he put her into a game where he can threaten her and others daily? Very pathetic. And it’s telling that he made his game character have combed hair, an obviously washed face, and clean clothes that suited him. Maybe he should’ve tried that in real life.
It would be interesting to see his backstory; perhaps his ability to abuse virtual clones of people who hurt him led to Daley become ever more withdrawn and unassertive in the real world, causing him to face even more abuse and exploitation at work? I could imagine him responding by retreating ever futher into his digital fantasy, and indulging in ever more extreme forms of cruelty towards his virtual crew as a way to compensate, creating a vicious cycle, until at last there was nothing left but the cruel monster we see in this episode.
Yeah i mean its all down to whether you consider the consciousnesses he copied as sentient or not. Should we apologize for mowing down NPCs in GTA? Where is the line between that kind of harmless catharsis and inflicting yourself upon an artificial sentience? If you can upload your brain to a computer, is that computer really "you"? Its crazy how black mirror can explore moral dilemmas at the same time as exploring philosophical ones, thats what makes it such a good show... Personally, sentience aside, i view the whole simulation thing as a kind of ironic pornography for him. Ironic because he was insistent on removing any genitals but it served the same kind of purpose for him. Like we have people who have these fucked up fantasies about kidnapping or torturing girls, but instead of actually doing it they just jerk off to some BDSM porn... Daly is basically living out his fantasies instead of actually hurting the people in his life that he wants to. Obviously its not healthy for him because it keeps him from actually confronting the problems in his life and its a huge violation of their privacy... I mean i couldn't think of a more intimate and private data breach than their actual fucking consciousness, but at the end of the day if its "just a video game" then... I mean we could view it in basically the same vein as finding out your coworkers deepfaked your face onto some porn.
If Daly had just exited the game their ship controls would have been disabled. They would have been stuck in space, and once the wormhole closed, he goes back in and bing bang boom, he wins.
As our lead character mentioned at the beginning, " Daly is smart, but he's not infallible". She knows that Daly is not perfect and is human hence, exploitable.
Jesse Plemons and Jimmi Simpson we're outstanding in this episode. This could have been a whole movie and it's why I love Black Mirror so much. We're truly starved of more episodes like this, Playtest, and White Christmas.
If anyone here has played Eve online and remembers their first time being overconfident in low sec, then you know how scary the end of this episode actually is.
@@MK-hh1vo Well considering that "Infinity" is super advanced and well beyond our technology, the bugs and glitches in Eve Online are out of the question. I think they'll have an easier job "playing." And besides, death is probably something they'll welcome with open arms at some point. Maybe they'll come to terms with their digital morality
Incredible acting, especially Jesse Plemons, whose take on Captain Kirk was super fun, even doing Shatner's odd inflection when he said "no". Easily my favourite BM episode
@@Hasbulla761 It was an action movie masquerading as Star Trek. Modern Star Trek is, as a whole, style over substance, which is the exact opposite of what Star Trek tried to be, and usually succeeded at.
@@lobsterminion693 It was still better than this. Let's not get crazy, this was fun but can't compare to any manifestation of Star Trek...except for Enterprise which was a total dud.
The original startrek pushed a lot of boundaries creatively and socially for its time. The best of the future and now is unscripted and nonderivative as regards the past.
I think that I felt for him initially but the more that is uncovered about him and what he's done then a good chunk of that goes out of the airlock. This is a guy who schemed to copy the consciousness of people in his life for the purpose of torturing them for eternity in a place where no one can stop him. Eventually his selections of people to torture branched out to those who barely did anything to him. I think the one guy just got his coffee order wrong and he tortures Cole just simply for not returning his affections. On top of mutilating those that don't play along into monsters, let's also keep in mind that this guy plotted to bring a copy of a child's consciousness into the game to kill him over and over again in front of his father until he broke him. His actions may be motivated and bullying in any form is a terrible thing but nothing that any of them did to Daly justified his level of sadism. It's like what Walton said "I should have treated you better. Yeah, yeah I was thinking I should say all that ... but then you threw my son out of an airlock, so... FUCK YOU TO DEATH." While at baseline Daly had a sympathetic situation he became someone who derived pleasure from the suffering and pain that he inflicted on others, even children.
@@GMSirLawrence In the world of Black Mirror, these go a little beyond just simple data lines. In these episodes that deal with mapping and duplicating the workings of an individuals brain into a digital copy, it is essentially the person except with out a biological body to carry them. In this show, the digital duplication process is complete and exact. So technically they are not biologically alive but they are way passed the point of being GTA people. At the moment, this level of digital consciousness is just some good science fiction and while there is developments towards making this a reality, we can only speculate what that will really look like. So you just have to kind of think about the "in universe" use of this concept and in Black Mirror, he was murdering and torturing perfect digital clones of human beings. He was taking pleasure from killing a perfect duplication of a child's mind, with all of his memories and emotions. That is pretty F'd up.
@@zerog1037 my head doesn’t use the digital consciousnesses of real people to torture. If what he created was just simply a video game with totally fictional, AI generated characters then that would be closer to scenarios played out in my brain. I haven’t wronged anyone. I didn’t illegally obtain anyone’s consciousness to do horrible things to. What makes it so twisted and wrong is him knowing that these are perfect copies of peoples minds and taking joy in things like killing a child over and over again to submit the father.
@@cinemike8207 I get tht for the episode they gave these perfect replicas consciousness, but in reality they would just be ai mimicking people. In fact you could to a degree already do this with current ai, but it won't be a perfect copy. Do you consider it unethical to copy someone's voice, face and hints of their personality on to a video game character and then mess with them? I ask because we already have this technology, but it's expensive to implement and curious about your thoughts without the consciousness aspect.
After all the bleak endings - thank god for this, it's so satisfying but still leaves that Black Mirror ending. I love this series so much. This is my top 2. Top most fav is San Junipero
personally of one of my favorite episode of Black Mirror he transmits emotions extremely well and the end is insane. we see Daly dead in his apartment with the plan on the Space Fleet poster with the music, that's when we feel guilty haha
Sulyya Springs He was definitely sick, but he didn't try to improve or get help. He chose to be an incel and torture Nanette's clone because she wouldn't sleep with him in real life. Don't feel guilty for him, look at him as a cautionary tale of what happens when someone becomes toxic and feels entitled to sex.
They had to escape somehow, so the rebellion was necessary, but the apology meant so much. Black mirror didn’t have to throw that in but they did. He trapped all of those people in there because they had hurt him in some way or fashion. He got his revenge in a game. When he apologized, something we may never know might have clicked in Daly’s head. Maybe things would have been different.
Dylan Muir I agree it is easy to think this except one woman who was trapped in there said that he trapped them all in there for doing little things to him at work. The one black girl was rude to him the other girl that eventually got them out denied that she had feelings for him and I think it hurt his feelings
since nobody is able to technically die in the uss callister universe, is Walton’s consciousness in space suffering without a body or is daly the only one left ?
@@Jockster109 nope, his real body pisses its self and the piss goes into a plug socket and stops the fuse and he wakes up, and takes vengence endlessly killing tommy and stopping nichole from breathing forever
He shows up at the end of the episode all re-corporealized and everything. Like, it's a total no-bullshit happy ending for the crew -- and an eternal existential nightmare for Daley.
All it would have taken were a few words... *and everything would have been okay again between them.* This scene is strong. It shows how wrong and unnecessary Daly's actions were of recreating his employees in a virtual world and abusing them. With just a few strong words and some few discussions...they may have been able to reconcile almost all things healthily and well between them in the real world.
Eh, remember that isn’t the real world Walton speaking. Maybe he has it in him, but would never be faced with a situation so perilous where he’d be introspective enough to share it. Daly would just bring Walton back into his mod the next time he ruffled his feathers.
You might have the biggest brain ever, but you can tell by the final convo between Daly and Walton, that Daly still hadn't figured out that his DNA samples were gone, and assumed he could just pull them (and tommy) back into the game and figured that he would try to catch up with them to immediately punish them first. So he did believe that if they escaped he could pull them back in, however he was wrong. And he didnt seem to take into account that his rogue commands would be deleted.
@@cheesecurls8705 If he logged out before being trapped, and gathered new DNA samples, would the digital version of them have the memories of the previous digital versions? Or would Daly need to start from scratch?
@@cheesecurls8705 With the disrespect aside, and I'll let that slide this once, you obviously didn't read my comment correctly before commenting. I clearly stated gathering new DNA.
@@cheesecurls8705 @Cheese Curls Whether he knew the DNA was gone or not is irrelevant. The smart thing to do in that situation to avoid any backlash would be to immediately log out and take precautionary measures. How are you not understanding this?
Great scene, but would have made it better, is if they had Walton say "but THEN you threw my son out of an airlock". That would have shown that Walton actually was considering apologizing to Daly for the actions of his counterpart back when he and Daly were the only ones on the ship, even after all the things Daly had tried to do to get him to obey him. That may have been what they were going for, but this would have made it a bit more clear.
I disagree, this might have been intentional, I don't believe the real Walton would have ever considered apologizing, hence why this episode was fecked up on so many levels.
My favorite episode of Black Mirror by far! Superbly acted, stunning visuals and an incredible soundtrack. This episode is truly a masterpiece of television. That being said ,this being Black Mirror and I prefer the darker endings and think that White Christmas takes it for darkest ending
@@lucassalahub8611 Agreed! It had the least to do with advanced technology so it felt more realistic and possible. That could easily happen in real life
What kind of game make you physically stuck inside game upon deletion? And no fail safe at that? So like one day the company go bankrupt does people just get fuck?
Well his little world is firstly a mod, and the reason he cannot leave is because the little dot thing that put him in the game in the first place was switched out with another little dot that doesn't allow you to leave I think? I know the dot was switched out but I can't remember what the fake one did
I mean....even if he pauses the game, the update can't be stopped. he pauses the game and then what? Also, I don't think he was seeing the bigger picture and totally forgot his conscious was going to be stuck, because he's the only idiot who has been trapped but it's own creation...
What really saddens me was, they had a life outside this stupid game. They are real, they have memories of their own, they was once working. And now they have to forcefully play the world Daly created forever with no other choices.
Given the powers that we know Daly has in this digital realm, it seems like he should have known a way to catch them. Apparently their is code written into the game allowing players to remove faces off NPCs. There’s code that turns humans into weird space creatures. There’s code to remove genitals. But there isn’t code to increase the speed of his spaceship? Regardless, this is my fav episode
No he wasn't about to forgive anything. He keeps chasing the crew madly and cursing at them after hearing the apology from Walton. And he doesn't has right to forgive anything since he throw the child out to the space.
This makes me want mathematicians to find out that our universe (and/or parent universe of our universe) is finite in time, that there will be end. Just imagine, it seems like physics allows to create the neural network like ours, make it feel infinite pain and send it to space so that no one could stop it. That's why I hope our universe have property to end (and restart?)
This has to be one of the best episodes in the series due to the fact that I had no idea if they were gonna make it or be stuck in that hell forever. A true masterpiece
I absolutely adore that Black Mirror is one of the few show where you never know if its going to be a bad or good ending. It makes it all worth it.
@@alexisd6106 100% agree!! If you know that every ending is just gonna be cheesy and flowers and butterflies, it removes the excitement and the suspense.
Yes I totally agree with you
Also its pretty funny that "winning" for these characters means dying
Looks like they might develop a series based on this.
“But you threw my son out an airlock, so fuck you to death” is still one of my favorite lines.
great delivery too
Honestly neck and neck with "Oh my fuck" after she slaps Daily
Ah, Todd killing children huh? What else is new?
breaking bad
he learns it from anakin skywalker
literally just realized he's meth damon from breaking bad
@@LBLBLBLBLBLBLBLBLBLB lol, nice
Anakin: so, I don't take anyone's as an apprentice.
I think if Daly had balls and confronted Walton in the first place, maybe none of this would have happened.
Exactly. He was a maniac.
@@ferenity9460 They deserved it.
@@robertwoods8939 stop defending him he was a wuss its not our mistake that you can't get your shit straight and then went on to trap people for eternity
@@robertwoods8939 Someone being mean to you does not mean they deserve being tortured at your whim. Especially when they’re copies, so you’re essentially taking it out on a different person who had nothing to do with it.
@Curtis Moyer-Coronado he was a average Redditor
Honestly this is one of the best Sacrifice scenes ever but it hurts at the same time every time you hear Walton talk & daly stays quiet
Well he didn't die so it's technically not a sacrifice
@@ShivamPatel-yq7rr I think being ignited for all eternity without dying is an even bigger sacrifice, thankfully his suffering ended when the patch was enabled
@@ShivamPatel-yq7rr Walton's digital clone sure died and will never come back cause the real Cole stole back the DNA. I hope she burned it all.
I think Teddy from Westworld had the best sacrifice scene
Such an awesome episode. Was totally unexpected for the series to go in this direction for this one.
hey
Unfortunately it was the last ever good episode of Black Mirror. The rest of series 4 and all of series 5 was terrible.
@@Pining_for_the_fjords what are you talking about series 4 was great
My person favorite .
@@Pining_for_the_fjords Hard disagree. I almost think you're trolling.
1:27 A slight moment of Daly's humanity, showing concern for Walton, until it turned into narcissism. Jesse Plemons played the hell out of this role.
I think its sad because you can tell how Daly is just a sweet guy but hidden under so many layers of social anxiety, angst, and jealousy.
@@digitalcyclone7218 passive is NOT the same as sweet
@@stratecaster547 i havent watched this but that's a h*ll of a line
Of course they made the blonde white guy the bad guy
@@anon-il9qf really, lol? projecting much you likely fascist asshole
As someone who read "I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream," the stakes were through the damned roof for me. I genuinely thought this episode was going to replicate that hell, but thank God it didn't. I was on the edge of my seat the whole time
how did it not? they're stuck in an MMO that will eventually fail. they're eventually going to tear each other apart for eternity and they cant die. Sounds very much like the book you mentioned.
@@namelesswalaby at least they can jerk off
Have you played the game too?
@@ChrisMcNellie i was always curious about the game. is it worth it? i used to be a HUGE PC adventure gamer in the 90s
@@erislocker I saw someone talking about it in a CZcams video, it seemed like a crazy game.
if i was daly,
i would rage quit before the uss callister entered the wormhole
I was thinking the same , when was simple just to pause game.
Right, but Daly was adamant to stop them from getting the better of him. He gets knocked down all the time in the real world so he would hate to happen in a virtual reality he created.
When he got close to the update, he was detected as a hack, and the server was shutdown. That’s why he couldn’t get out. He lost control, and he’s basically an NPC now just stuck there, until his actual body dies.
@@joshuabradberry9823 well, he could have pissed himself in his real body and the piss travel to a socket and the fuse breaks, then he's out and mad, he will re-do his mod and get the DNA of everyone back and then put them back in and permanently make nichole not be able to breath forever. And permenantly kill tommy, torture him etc. What would they have done if he didnt get stuck? Coz he could just get the DNA back pretty easy lol
@@yungthug2403 they black mailed the real Annette into stealing it that was a major part of the episode
Daly looks like a browless matt damon
He's Meth Damon.
@@sagnik3556 this is gold
It's true lol that actor when he was younger was used as a younger version for people like Matt Damon and some other actors
HAHAHAHAHA!!!
If you pay attention that’s the bully from like mike
Man, I didn't know Todd survived Jesse's attack and became a space fleet Captain
Ironically it's Jesse's voice at the end of this episode talking to the crew
@@amputate8403 In Spanish it's Jesse's voice too xD
@@amputate8403 I see I’m a year too late to drop that little piece of info.
Then he moved to Fargo. Guy gets around
Ironically todd's actor is named jesse
"I hope we are going to die" never fails to crack me up
Thought that line was kinda cringed and forced ngl
One of the most meaningful sacrifices. Died forever to give his friends a life forever
He died? Thought he couldn’t die
He didnt
@@willemeduard thought so, that was what made the stakes higher- no chance of even death ending his pain
@@zerotohero7756i think he couldn’t die until the update. Once the update happened he died
Since everyone seems to have forgot how this ended:
the crew thought going through the wormhole/update would kill them permanently. Walton sacrifices himself to restart the engine, but they think he will not die permanently like entering the wormhole would. Instead he will die in the fire, but Daly could reanimate him and he would continue to be tortured for years to come.
In reality, entering the wormhole puts them online into the live MMO game. Walton, despite vaporizing in the thruster exhaust, was reanimated in the MMO game too and lives out his days with the rest of the crew.
Presumably the crew will only die when the game is taken offline many years in the future, but in the show it is implied that this game is very popular and will exist indefinitely like World of Warcraft.
Jesse Plemons was so damn good in this
Just about to suggest the same thing. He was absolutely brilliant.
It's brilliant how through the course of time, it went from og star trek to jj abrams star trek, with the running in the hall way and everything.
Yeah Walton running is filmed exactly like Chekov in Star Trek (2009) - great spot!
Sadly, for me, this was the first episode I saw. There were some good episodes in the rest of the series for sure, but none could have ever possibly lived up to this one. None.
Watch "Shut Up and Dance" And i bet you'll change your mind
@@musaalkhadim4146 shut up and dance might have been the most pointless episode in the whole show... Terrible
@@SadisticNinja sure as hell was a lot better than this dreck! Same can be said for The Entire History of You, White Christmas, Nosedive, Hated in the Nation, and Hang the D.J. - Far superior episodes!!
White Christmas is so much better
this, white christmas, and playtest were my favorites
This episode is basically about a computer who kills its owner
this could've been a chance of redemption for Daly
Jesus christ youre everywhere
Good. I love your comments
What if Daly was just pranking them with his admin controls pretending he couldn’t catch them and he teleported to them right before they escaped and then began torturing them.
ok damn
He was literally a god in this game, he would have teleport or make them explode, it was just for the plot the director did that i guess
That would be a better ending honestly
@@daustin8888 No it wouldn't. This is a perfectly, well deserved, horrific ending for a villian that could have simply spoke up for himself in real life and avoided this nightmare. I loved this one just the way it is!
@@MK-hh1vo well, that's not how majority of black mirror ending works heheh
I actually always feel for Daly - there's a part of me that feels like he was pushed down this path owing to his demeanour. That doesn't justify what he does, but it makes me torn between hating him for what does, but admiring him for what he's done. 10/10 acting, brilliant story & directing. Definitely up there in the top BM episodes.
i don't feel for Daly, but i do dislike Walton as well
I don’t hate him, but I still think he’s far from admirable. He was so mad at the receptionist for ignoring him that he put her into a game where he can threaten her and others daily? Very pathetic.
And it’s telling that he made his game character have combed hair, an obviously washed face, and clean clothes that suited him. Maybe he should’ve tried that in real life.
It would be interesting to see his backstory; perhaps his ability to abuse virtual clones of people who hurt him led to Daley become ever more withdrawn and unassertive in the real world, causing him to face even more abuse and exploitation at work? I could imagine him responding by retreating ever futher into his digital fantasy, and indulging in ever more extreme forms of cruelty towards his virtual crew as a way to compensate, creating a vicious cycle, until at last there was nothing left but the cruel monster we see in this episode.
Yeah i mean its all down to whether you consider the consciousnesses he copied as sentient or not. Should we apologize for mowing down NPCs in GTA? Where is the line between that kind of harmless catharsis and inflicting yourself upon an artificial sentience? If you can upload your brain to a computer, is that computer really "you"? Its crazy how black mirror can explore moral dilemmas at the same time as exploring philosophical ones, thats what makes it such a good show...
Personally, sentience aside, i view the whole simulation thing as a kind of ironic pornography for him. Ironic because he was insistent on removing any genitals but it served the same kind of purpose for him. Like we have people who have these fucked up fantasies about kidnapping or torturing girls, but instead of actually doing it they just jerk off to some BDSM porn... Daly is basically living out his fantasies instead of actually hurting the people in his life that he wants to. Obviously its not healthy for him because it keeps him from actually confronting the problems in his life and its a huge violation of their privacy... I mean i couldn't think of a more intimate and private data breach than their actual fucking consciousness, but at the end of the day if its "just a video game" then... I mean we could view it in basically the same vein as finding out your coworkers deepfaked your face onto some porn.
He killed a Kid
If Daly had just exited the game their ship controls would have been disabled. They would have been stuck in space, and once the wormhole closed, he goes back in and bing bang boom, he wins.
As our lead character mentioned at the beginning, " Daly is smart, but he's not infallible". She knows that Daly is not perfect and is human hence, exploitable.
Jesse Plemons and Jimmi Simpson we're outstanding in this episode. This could have been a whole movie and it's why I love Black Mirror so much. We're truly starved of more episodes like this, Playtest, and White Christmas.
This episode was one of the interesting ones for sure.
Hello there!
@@yogiman300 I see Master's famous line evolved around CZcams.
A surprise to be sure - but a welcome one
If anyone here has played Eve online and remembers their first time being overconfident in low sec, then you know how scary the end of this episode actually is.
Now I'm curious because I've never played Eve online and I was absolutely terrified by this ending.
@@MK-hh1vo Well considering that "Infinity" is super advanced and well beyond our technology, the bugs and glitches in Eve Online are out of the question. I think they'll have an easier job "playing."
And besides, death is probably something they'll welcome with open arms at some point. Maybe they'll come to terms with their digital morality
This was such a great episode. Could have done well as its own movie.
The pain you hear from hearing both of them talk tells you everything..... This why Black Mirror is the best
Incredible acting, especially Jesse Plemons, whose take on Captain Kirk was super fun, even doing Shatner's odd inflection when he said "no". Easily my favourite BM episode
It's so interesting that all these people can make a better Star Trek than the people who make actual Star Trek
One is trying to make new and interesting stories, a modern Outer Limits
The other is a cash grab run by commitee
Star Trek 2009 was pretty good
@@Hasbulla761 It was an action movie masquerading as Star Trek. Modern Star Trek is, as a whole, style over substance, which is the exact opposite of what Star Trek tried to be, and usually succeeded at.
@@lobsterminion693 It was still better than this. Let's not get crazy, this was fun but can't compare to any manifestation of Star Trek...except for Enterprise which was a total dud.
The original startrek pushed a lot of boundaries creatively and socially for its time. The best of the future and now is unscripted and nonderivative as regards the past.
This is the only Black Mirror episode that deserves its own spinoff series.
I think that I felt for him initially but the more that is uncovered about him and what he's done then a good chunk of that goes out of the airlock. This is a guy who schemed to copy the consciousness of people in his life for the purpose of torturing them for eternity in a place where no one can stop him. Eventually his selections of people to torture branched out to those who barely did anything to him. I think the one guy just got his coffee order wrong and he tortures Cole just simply for not returning his affections. On top of mutilating those that don't play along into monsters, let's also keep in mind that this guy plotted to bring a copy of a child's consciousness into the game to kill him over and over again in front of his father until he broke him. His actions may be motivated and bullying in any form is a terrible thing but nothing that any of them did to Daly justified his level of sadism. It's like what Walton said "I should have treated you better. Yeah, yeah I was thinking I should say all that ... but then you threw my son out of an airlock, so... FUCK YOU TO DEATH." While at baseline Daly had a sympathetic situation he became someone who derived pleasure from the suffering and pain that he inflicted on others, even children.
*Even data lines. It's like feeling guilty for killing people in GTA.
@@GMSirLawrence In the world of Black Mirror, these go a little beyond just simple data lines. In these episodes that deal with mapping and duplicating the workings of an individuals brain into a digital copy, it is essentially the person except with out a biological body to carry them. In this show, the digital duplication process is complete and exact. So technically they are not biologically alive but they are way passed the point of being GTA people. At the moment, this level of digital consciousness is just some good science fiction and while there is developments towards making this a reality, we can only speculate what that will really look like. So you just have to kind of think about the "in universe" use of this concept and in Black Mirror, he was murdering and torturing perfect digital clones of human beings. He was taking pleasure from killing a perfect duplication of a child's mind, with all of his memories and emotions. That is pretty F'd up.
Wht he did is no different to playing out sadistic acts in your head.
@@zerog1037 my head doesn’t use the digital consciousnesses of real people to torture. If what he created was just simply a video game with totally fictional, AI generated characters then that would be closer to scenarios played out in my brain. I haven’t wronged anyone. I didn’t illegally obtain anyone’s consciousness to do horrible things to. What makes it so twisted and wrong is him knowing that these are perfect copies of peoples minds and taking joy in things like killing a child over and over again to submit the father.
@@cinemike8207 I get tht for the episode they gave these perfect replicas consciousness, but in reality they would just be ai mimicking people.
In fact you could to a degree already do this with current ai, but it won't be a perfect copy.
Do you consider it unethical to copy someone's voice, face and hints of their personality on to a video game character and then mess with them? I ask because we already have this technology, but it's expensive to implement and curious about your thoughts without the consciousness aspect.
This is the most incredible writing and acting across the baord.
Amazing show, this was pretty creepy
I know Walton as the slime ball from Sunny in Philly but this dude is a beast actor
After all the bleak endings - thank god for this, it's so satisfying but still leaves that Black Mirror ending. I love this series so much. This is my top 2. Top most fav is San Junipero
personally of one of my favorite episode of Black Mirror he transmits emotions extremely well and the end is insane. we see Daly dead in his apartment with the plan on the Space Fleet poster with the music, that's when we feel guilty haha
Wtf? You feel bad for DALY?
@@laylover7621 I do
@@laylover7621 He was just sick
Sulyya Springs He was definitely sick, but he didn't try to improve or get help. He chose to be an incel and torture Nanette's clone because she wouldn't sleep with him in real life. Don't feel guilty for him, look at him as a cautionary tale of what happens when someone becomes toxic and feels entitled to sex.
to me it is the most hated episode because its retarded to the core
They had to escape somehow, so the rebellion was necessary, but the apology meant so much. Black mirror didn’t have to throw that in but they did. He trapped all of those people in there because they had hurt him in some way or fashion. He got his revenge in a game. When he apologized, something we may never know might have clicked in Daly’s head. Maybe things would have been different.
Walton is the only one that hurt him that could be seen in any way as intentional or malicious. Everyone else did nothing unreasonable towards him.
Dylan Muir I agree it is easy to think this except one woman who was trapped in there said that he trapped them all in there for doing little things to him at work. The one black girl was rude to him the other girl that eventually got them out denied that she had feelings for him and I think it hurt his feelings
Claptrap Jesus They’re unlikeable, unsympathetic, and not worth rooting for in the slightest - And they’re just digital replicas. End of story!
@@cHeStEr5434 Id hate to be your shitty friend.
@@popot4627 bet he's rooting for Daly, fckng sociopath
Great episode, had me thinking that G staff are like this
I'm just glad neither one of them said "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few".
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since nobody is able to technically die in the uss callister universe, is Walton’s consciousness in space suffering without a body or is daly the only one left ?
Walton's character died, Daly is the only one left.
@@Oliver-ek2nl Daly dies of dehydration though
@@Jockster109 nope, his real body pisses its self and the piss goes into a plug socket and stops the fuse and he wakes up, and takes vengence endlessly killing tommy and stopping nichole from breathing forever
He shows up at the end of the episode all re-corporealized and everything. Like, it's a total no-bullshit happy ending for the crew -- and an eternal existential nightmare for Daley.
@@reaper411b I mean Daley definitely deserved it
all of black mirror is amazing, but as a life long sci fi nerd this one is just on another level ! love your work mr brooker !
Jesse Plemmons is really good at playing psychopathic manchildren.
All it would have taken were a few words...
*and everything would have been okay again between them.*
This scene is strong. It shows how wrong and unnecessary Daly's actions were of recreating his employees in a virtual world and abusing them. With just a few strong words and some few discussions...they may have been able to reconcile almost all things healthily and well between them in the real world.
Eh, remember that isn’t the real world Walton speaking. Maybe he has it in him, but would never be faced with a situation so perilous where he’d be introspective enough to share it. Daly would just bring Walton back into his mod the next time he ruffled his feathers.
I see hell reflected in these black mirrors. There is no time here.
I was high as a kite the first time I watched this episode and the scene when they go through the wormhole tripped me out so bad.
Flea Baguette u wish u were high as a kite
I was super high the first time I watched this too and it freaked me out so fucking bad I had a panic attack. The episode that it! Not the weed. 😂
Yeah ur cringe
you are going to say you were high as a kite in 1000 other instances too and they will be just as cringe worthy as this one.
Instead of chasing them, couldn't he just have logged out and proceed to create new versions of the crew by gathering new DNA?
You might have the biggest brain ever, but you can tell by the final convo between Daly and Walton, that Daly still hadn't figured out that his DNA samples were gone, and assumed he could just pull them (and tommy) back into the game and figured that he would try to catch up with them to immediately punish them first. So he did believe that if they escaped he could pull them back in, however he was wrong. And he didnt seem to take into account that his rogue commands would be deleted.
@@cheesecurls8705 If he logged out before being trapped, and gathered new DNA samples, would the digital version of them have the memories of the previous digital versions? Or would Daly need to start from scratch?
@@cheesecurls8705 With the disrespect aside, and I'll let that slide this once, you obviously didn't read my comment correctly before commenting. I clearly stated gathering new DNA.
@@dongadson1099 he didn't think he needed new DNA for the reason that he wasn't aware of it being gone.
@@cheesecurls8705 @Cheese Curls Whether he knew the DNA was gone or not is irrelevant. The smart thing to do in that situation to avoid any backlash would be to immediately log out and take precautionary measures. How are you not understanding this?
Greatest show. Praying for a new season
That last line before he turned on the jets was badass
Still the best episode. "But you threw my son out of an airlock so... fuck you to death" is one of the rawest lines in cinema
This is a really satisfying episode. Casting Cristin Milioti was genius. Although the whole cast was fantastic.
Great scene, but would have made it better, is if they had Walton say "but THEN you threw my son out of an airlock". That would have shown that Walton actually was considering apologizing to Daly for the actions of his counterpart back when he and Daly were the only ones on the ship, even after all the things Daly had tried to do to get him to obey him. That may have been what they were going for, but this would have made it a bit more clear.
I disagree, this might have been intentional, I don't believe the real Walton would have ever considered apologizing, hence why this episode was fecked up on so many levels.
@@MagicNash89 I agree with you
Same difference ...thats the point of him saying "but" . Id mean my apology BUT you did this, so ....
Did you watch the show? Lmfao
except none of the people were real, including his son
I feel like this is one of the episodes that nails black mirrors tone perfectly
Damn Todd sure came in a long way from breaking bad.
This is what he did in between breaking bad an el camino
Jessie was the voice after they enter the wormhole
This was SUCH a great episode.
My favorite episode of Black Mirror by far! Superbly acted, stunning visuals and an incredible soundtrack. This episode is truly a masterpiece of television. That being said ,this being Black Mirror and I prefer the darker endings and think that White Christmas takes it for darkest ending
Agreed. I think shut up and dance was still the most scary and disturbing, because it felt the most realistic of all episodes.
@@lucassalahub8611 Agreed! It had the least to do with advanced technology so it felt more realistic and possible. That could easily happen in real life
this is definitely a top 10 episode for me but i also really enjoy white bear
What kind of game make you physically stuck inside game upon deletion? And no fail safe at that? So like one day the company go bankrupt does people just get fuck?
it was a mod made by daly
Well his little world is firstly a mod, and the reason he cannot leave is because the little dot thing that put him in the game in the first place was switched out with another little dot that doesn't allow you to leave I think? I know the dot was switched out but I can't remember what the fake one did
@@bestkoi7555 the fake one was just a distraction to buy more time
I think the game disabled his controls.
Todd Alquist and Liam McPoyle both really got their shit together
this scene really is the best
Thats sociopathic
I love how Nanette as reserved as she was in the real world, her avatar became a Captain taking control. It was so awesome to see.
At 1:28 you can see that in a warped way Daly does have some concern for Walton’s well being.
This episode is absolutely perfect!
Well, there are rumors about a USS Callister Spin off. Please be great.
Didn't know Todd worked on a spaceship after being a meth cook
This is why games that get inside your head are a bad idea. Any device actually, that alters your conscious state
When Black Mirror gives you a happy ending, it really is a surprise.
Best EP ever!
This should be made into a movie or series.
Besides the ending to White Christmas, this was the best scene in Black Mirrior. Epic show
quality episode with quality actors
Jesse Plemons is so good in incel characters that we forgot he married Kirsten Dunst.
THIS WAS MY FAVORITE EPISODE IT WAS LIKE I HAVE NO MOUTH AND I MUST SCREAM
My favorite black mirror episode
This was my favourite scene in this episode
I mean....even if he pauses the game, the update can't be stopped. he pauses the game and then what? Also, I don't think he was seeing the bigger picture and totally forgot his conscious was going to be stuck, because he's the only idiot who has been trapped but it's own creation...
Imagine the sound this video could have had.
This scene made me cry : (
So weird seeing Todd in space.
This is my favorite ever episode
I loved this episode ,good vibes ending.
Fantastic episode
What really saddens me was, they had a life outside this stupid game. They are real, they have memories of their own, they was once working. And now they have to forcefully play the world Daly created forever with no other choices.
Atleast they get to go on a badass adventure
@@victorlolxd7347i agree
I can't get any of my friends into this show and it tortures me like Daly does to others.
I was this before Breaking Bad and now I realize everyone figured this out.
what?
@@cheeriosaltcream no idea what he means…
Maybe something to do with the actor who played Todd?
Same and when i watched reactions i was confused on why they were cheering at the end
The one time Liam McPoyle did something good......
Remember, Walton didn't die in those engines, he just stayed there burning but still alive.
Their code got transferred to the cloud after the mod shut down and he was fine after that
@@13_facesnah he died permanently unfortunately
Can’t deprive the dude of milk for too long or shit like this is bound to happen.
"Later, bitches."
Given the powers that we know Daly has in this digital realm, it seems like he should have known a way to catch them. Apparently their is code written into the game allowing players to remove faces off NPCs. There’s code that turns humans into weird space creatures. There’s code to remove genitals.
But there isn’t code to increase the speed of his spaceship?
Regardless, this is my fav episode
What hurts the most is that I'm pretty sure Daly was about to forgive Walton
No he wasn't about to forgive anything. He keeps chasing the crew madly and cursing at them after hearing the apology from Walton. And he doesn't has right to forgive anything since he throw the child out to the space.
1:20 JAMES' CAMERON THROUGH MY SUN OUT OF AN AIRLOCK 1979
Black mirror is the greatest and saddest tv show yet, i gave up watching eventually but the first 3-4 seasons or so was amazing.
2:29 when you accidently erase your safe data in a video game
This makes me want mathematicians to find out that our universe (and/or parent universe of our universe) is finite in time, that there will be end.
Just imagine, it seems like physics allows to create the neural network like ours, make it feel infinite pain and send it to space so that no one could stop it. That's why I hope our universe have property to end (and restart?)
I sorta like the theory that the universe does have an end but it's expanding so fast that it could never be observed
I’m surprised to the lack of Todd Alquist comments
Wait this isn’t Star Trek
It's black mirror
@@rigzmoviediaries654 it was a joke on how this episode is kinda based on Star Trek the original sert
This thing is already happening in some of your SIMS
The last great episode of Black Mirror.
Black Mirror starting going down the sh**er from the day it moved from Channel 4 to Netflix. It’s never recovered.
Walt ffs up Todd twice XD
Wouldn’t the sound of whatever he was doing mute his scream? He’s practically using a zippo lighter to jumpstart a rocket
Jesse Plemons needs to be given more parts.
Goodbye. Walton