Video Game Collector Calls Me A Fraud
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Last year I exposed fraud and deception in the retro video game market. Not everyone was happy though. One such collector who owns many ultra expensive games made a video claiming I was lying for views and money. In this video I respond.
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I am disappointed at the amount of comments from people attacking his appearance etc. Please rise above being like that. Debates like this are just fun for the sake of them. Enjoy it for what it is and don't be hateful.
Good guy Karl.
Attack the argument, not the person
Idk bro I kinda like dissing about appearances
@@blatantslander anime pfp
@@Singingnoob-3minutesdirty Can't we do both
He isn't a collector. he is an investor and as an investor he will do anything to protect the value of his investment including lie and defame
Which is why they should be purged
People hate being called that. I remember the same thing happening to pokemon card collectors
Until he's dumped his bags, because as soon as the dump of a pump and dump hits suddenly all the cheerleaders fall silent.
He's not an investor, he's a speculator, which is worse.
@@lolschrauber I mean, child molesters also hate being called child molesters, but what people like to be called is irrelevant to what they are...
If 1 video by a CZcamsr causes your entire business to fail, then it was a business built on sand.
As a sand retailer, I resent this statement.
@@ByzantineDarkwraith As someone who builds sandboxes for kids as a side hustle:
Where is my damn sand? I been waiting weeks
@@Diggler569 As someone who recently stole over $20,000 in sand from the back of a truck:
Hey, uh, sucks about the sand. I hope you get it soon.
@@LiarraSniffles_X3 as the driver on the truck, you got me fired
@@ronyrubinov7449 As the kid just wanting to play in a sandbox: wheeeeeeeeeeeh 😭
That dude has the most infuriating, manipulative, and childish editing I have ever seen. Even without context, I'd hate him on that sole characteristic
That is exactly what I thought already at the beginning of his video lmao
Leave it to NFTbros to ruining people's hobbies.
anything for shekels 🤷♂️
LOL of course its people from the NFT scene. Scammers will scam.
They've been doing it for years. NFTs were just they're highest grossing scam
it’s all ai now 🙄
@@justanotheranimeprofilepic We're so early lmao
"Jobst is just doing this for profit" ...later... "There's nothing wrong with me and others doing these things for profit." Way to argue against himself.
Yeah he said that and you can see all this video games he's sponging up hoping to resell later and admits that's his motivation. Yeah, ok bro
Theres "profit" *shakes head*
And "Profit" *smiles and nods enthusiastically*
A self-detonating ahhhhhgument.
everyone wants profit
Expecting logic from a pissed off Speculator is like expecting logic from a Casino whale, his is likely just pissed off at Karl for his loss in profits trying to make money out of the bubble, which is really all on him.
To me, the fact he took the time to alter clips and then refuted the altered clips shows actual malice and is the most disgusting part of it. At that point, it's not grasping at straws, it's manipulation.
Yes, when you're commenting on manipulated clips to "prove" your point it's because you didn't have a point in the first place.
He knew exactly what he was doing. That's not accidental.
@@Melsharpe95 I am playing the devil's advocate here, but consider he has the viewpoint of believing the inflated value to be actual: Would he not edit it down to the words that he think are most relevant to his argument, seeing integral parts as irrelevant? This would make sense considering how consistently he seems to miss Karl's points, he could simply have poor judgment/reasoning.
Again, that is devil's advocacy, but being manipulative doesn't make him smart either and he may genuinely believe in some of his points even if he is intentionally lying and/or defaming Karl.
@@magikarpusedsplash8881 When you edit a person's comment in such a way as to say the exact opposite of what they said- that's not accidental. It even goes beyond cherry picking. It's misrepresentation.
You're probably right in that he's not a critical thinker in the proper sense. After all it looks like his videos usually get around 500 views so I think he was just making a hot-take reaction video.
Unfortunately he couldn't find evidence to support his position so decided to "create" some that did.
It's also unfortunate because the guy just seems like some random channel just posting about what they like and has now drawn all this negative attention.
The question ist always, are they incompetent or malicious? When someone cuts content this accurately and thereby misrepresents the actual statement, incompetence becomes highly unlikely and malicious intent is all that remains.
A smart prosecutor would use this in court to win their case against a scammer.
A smart judge wouldn't need a second look at the case to use this to declare a guilty verdict.
Bet you a nickel nobody's smart. Although... considering the beautiful comedy in the Alex Jones trials, I'd LOVE to lose that bet. PleasepleasePLEASE.
Instead of engaging with the argument, they:
a) misrepresent your point
b) make any attack on them an attack on the industry as a whole
c) do the "I don't know this person" bit to delegitimize your point without addressing it
d) do the "he's making money so he must be lying" bit
Politicians do this kind of shit all the time.
Great Wealth is the only thing that matters to these people. That clown is likely already a millionaire, but won't be happy until he has more, more, more. He'll end up building a mansion from doing the very little labor of speculating. OR. He'll go broke from speculating. Something tells me he's probably into NFTs and crypto as well. Where only the people who get in early make any money from it, and they do it at the expense of any like-minded sucker that happens to come along later.
my problems with it are how most of the points he makes don't even relate to the topic at hand. I mean, what does the guy think he's proving by attacking fox 9? and he also attacks the viewer, why would I take him seriously when i'm getting attacked for seeing evidence and changing my opinion based on it? just such an obvious attempt to protect an investment and (i suspect) gain a following from generating more controversy.
Thats the problem of being wrong and knowing it, you can't make a good faith argument.
I'm not going to trust anyone who says "we used to champion our heroes" while showing a picture of Hulk Hogan as an example. Hulk Hogan is the reason Hulk Hogan is no longer "championed"
his champion is hulk hogan?
hm, the amount of lying in his video seems to make a lot more sense now 😌
i wonder if he was almost the bassist for Metallica too
Who is your hero? Child predator creepy Joe?
That's why he made the video like that BROTHER!
Collectors are happy when prices drop because they can add to their collections. Speculators are happy when prices climb because they can leverage their investments. They are not the same people. They are two very different people sharing a market, one out of love, one out of greed.
I'd be so happy if all my games were suddenly worth nothing
I collect vinyl and the same applies.. You see greedy stores pushing up prices of vinyl that just isn't worth what they're asking. It'll sit there for years with no one buying it however I'd buy it immediately if it was reasonably priced
@@theMansalad I’m literally a video game reseller and I tell all of my customers frequently that these games values are ridiculous. I do what I can do give deals where it makes sense. I’ve been a collector for 20+ years at this point (just turned 35) and what always made collecting fun was the awesome amount of games you could get for affordable prices, especially compared to buying them new upon release.
If games plummeted in value, the likelihood of my business continuing with games as the focus (profit wise) would definitely shift. I’d start pushing stuff with greater margins.
But man would I be happy for myself & gamers alike. I could get cheap games for myself again without having to buy big ass lots, pick out what I want, and then take months to flip the rest.
@@theMansalad me too
I just want to buy more games for my collection without having to decide if It’s going to put me in a tough spot this month with rent
My lord that guy is insufferable, his condescending, mocking "holier than thou" attitude is brutal. At no point did he discredit a single segment of your video.
He should take up apologetics, he would be good at it
it's funny that he showed Bill Maher in the video when describing a strawman argument. Bill Maher who is now loved by Fox News and is praising himself as the ultimate truth teller, meanwhile he is an just an out of touch stereotypical center right boomer douche who loves beating up on strawmen.
The only reason that I watched that guy speaking is because of Karl, otherwise I would completely click out of that asshole video, his way of speaking is just disgusting to watch, his sense of moral superiority makes me want to vomit.
Yeah I thought the same.
The cadence that he speaks with, paired with the extremely cringe-worthy editing hurts my bones
"Rip open King Tut's sarcophagus because beds are meant to be laid in" SIR that is a COFFIN and there's ALREADY A CORPSE OCCUPYING IT that is such a ridiculous attempt at an argument lmao
"Do I look like a puppet to you?"
Yes, like Pinocchio to be exact.
Except that his nose would have been a lot longer.
And he just now put his entire channel on private. Clearly this wasn’t a hill he was ready to die on. Great job 👍
Yeah. He received 90% dislike rate on his video. We won boys :D
@@jpad0929 How can you tell the ratio when the dislike number is gone?
@@bleedorange1998 must've seen it before the shutdown.
@@bleedorange1998 there are apps that let you see it still. it's available from the youtube API in my understanding and the app can surface it and integrate it in the frontend
Nothing says “I’m right” quite like removing your videos from the public eye.
How on earth is Karl able to remain so calm in the face of such bad-faith arguments? It's infuriating that anyone thinks that guy is credible.
After being sued by Billy "World's best cheater" Mitchell
and Todd "Todgers" Rogers, everything else are small fries
Karl has true, citable facts and examples on his side. It's much easier to remain calm when you know you're right. I'd expect Karl to be excited to make these kinds of videos as it's a thrill to call people out with factual evidence.
Read between the lines, As much as he tries to rise above it there are times he lets it get to him.
By training, enduring for years, then doing 12 takes for the video. He slips once in a while but overall he does very well
For one we can’t see his attempts at each clip. Think about how he is human. No human is perfect. I don’t know when that video he is criticizing came out, but it was not just a week ago, he had time to get angry about it then think it through. He had the time to organize himself and do the research and show how the video is wrong. I would guess that we don’t see the whole original video so he could have some parts that he did not find enough to discredit it, but he did his homework.
For those who want to know what happened to 'Mad Dog'...
He ran, with his tail between his legs - deleted his channel and all its videos and privated his instagram.
I like to picture that smug grin being wiped off his face after watching this video.
Lmfao. Thanks man, was looking for this
No he didn't? The channel is still up, I didnt see the video but he also has a video where they both have a chat about the video and stuff
@ronnightingale6264 His channel was private at one point, so if OP had tried to look it up, they wouldn't have been able to find it. He hasn't posted in 10 months, so I'd say he ran.
My dad gave me some valuble advice:
"There are two types of people, people who pronounce it Mario, & people who pronounce it as Mayrio.
Never trust anyone who pronounces it Mayrio"
Words to live by
"I asked every single video game collector on the planet, and none of them have heard of Karl Jobst."
Seems legit. Guy clearly did his research.
Lol
Problem is, he asked other investors... who aren't watching speedrunning content.
Damn, must've missed his email when he asked me lol
@@Solaceon other speculators if he was a legit Investor he wouldn't care if Karl is calling out Wata and Heritage.
Guess his email went into my spam folder never got one.
When he says "real" collectors, he means speculative investors. The actual real collectors saw one of the best selling, common games of all time sell for millions and thought, "That doesn't seem right". But Karl went and dove into this head first, did a bunch of frankly excellent research, and published it. Then immediately, people were trying to discredit and cancel him. This was an important piece of reporting, and the backlash only reinforces that. Nobody likes to be left holding the bag, but that is a risk you should be prepared for when speculating on any type of volatile market.
Yes, and anyone barracking for collectable price increases are speculators by definition.
Real collectors surely want the prices to be stable so they can afford to continue collecting.
@@msmyrk also regular Investors would have probably been indifferent to the stocks deflating and normalising so yeah this guy is likely a Speculator and is likely lossing Profits perhaps even a lot of profits.
I agree.
I was already casually collecting video games from a very young age. The only reason I would care about the market is so I don't get ripped off with outrageous prices. I don't care about rising and falling prices so I can sell them later, I care about that so I am able know if I am getting a good deal. I think that buying super common games for more than 3 times their original retail price is ridiculous. I buy games that came with a case with it because I wasn't the game to be protected so I can play it.
I am a collector that wouldn't be opposed to selling games i no longer want. That is collecting.
Buying games only for the sake of profit is not collecting. It's investment.
he acts so "holier than thou" its strange he thought his video would appeal to anyone
he needs to learn to drop his ego, but I don't think he's capable of doing that.
What's going to be next, the vintage laptop and computer scene? If enough people bought enough of the stuff that's goes on the market, they'd control old PC part prices..
The thing that pisses me off the most about the guy is the fact he called a sarcophagus a bed, tbh. Like wasn't he taught in history class that they are coffins??
which creates the argument of "if you owned a sarcophagus, would you want to be buried in it?" To which the answer is, obviously, yes, who wouldn't?
That comment even got me. For 5 seconds I'm like "Ah yes I guess It could make a neat bed I guess."
Followed by.
"Wait! Is baldy basics for real? That's a bed you never leave, that's a coffin."
When I heard the way he pronounced "Mario", I instantly knew he wasn't a gamer or game collector for the sake of gaming.
Same
Many British people pronounce Mario that way….and Whang (who is ironically from Brooklyn)
I’m not even a collector or a gamer and it made me cringe
I can't quite wrap my head around the audacity of calling Karl, who is arguably one of the best investigative gaming journalists out there, *a fraud and a liar.*
If you cannot understand that then understand this, people who stand to gain the most tend to be the loudest against their opponents whom the latter has proof
Karl even exposed Karl for cheating and came clean about it, that's some honesty you wont find anywhere else in the industry.
Projection is a hell of a thing. People really think it works to discredit people like Karl XD
Probably the ONLY investigative journalist
@@Lightna i think that person was using flowery (sp) to illustrate a point, good on you for helping them out if not. Some folk might be so distant from the thought process they actually needed help.
The way he flip-flops between "Karl Jobst is going to completely ruin us" and "Karl Jobst is a nobody not even worth considering" in the same breath is infuriating at times. He can't even pick one lie and stick with it...
9:28 I like how he asks "But who is Karl Jobs". But then I wondered who this bald guy is and what makes him the ultimate authority on sealed video game market? I mean, I've been collecting over 20 Years now and I've never heard of him before this day. Asking around the hobby, nobody has. Odd isn't it?
It's a classic rhetorical device to paint one's foes as "foes"
They are both great and terrible while being weak and meaningless.
Best faith interpretation that I can do, you could see this as "he has a large audience that could interfere in the space" and "he's a nobody in the hobby/business, so we shouldn't listen to him"
Still, both are shit arguments that don't matter and he shouldn't have used them.
It's almost like fascists must overestimate and underestimate their enemies at the same time
@@the1truepickaxe298 _A wild fascist argument appeared!_
When you showed the actual context of Pat's quote that was the confirmation that I needed that this guy is intentionally lying. You nailed him to a board. Keep up the great content.
Pat Contri is a notorious scam artist. The easiest way to tell if he's lying is to look at his mouth. If it's open, he's lying.
@@reicherruschach3727Even if that is true it doesn’t at all change the original commenters point or diminish it. Pats quote was taken out of context, regardless of whether or not you agree with his full quote, or trust pat as a person, it doesn’t change the fact that Mad Dog intentionally cut the quote to make it seem like pat was saying something else, which is scummy and shows that he doesn’t actually have a legitimate argument to make to discredit him.
@@TriAzFThat is true indeed. You don't need to manipulate things to make Contri look dishonest; he already does enough disingenuous things on his own.
I can't really tell if he's intentionally lying or if he's just ignorant and doesn't know what he's talking about. Cause the lies he tells are embarrassing considering how easily they can be debunked. Like, he completely missed the point behind why marketing your own product without disclosing your relationship to the company (if you have one) is unethical and illegal when there are FTC laws that clearly state why. Plus, he seems to misinterpret a lot of things that Karl says and doesn't even understand what the video is about. He thinks Karl is attacking the entire graded video game industry, community and collectors when his video mainly focuses on two companies and their unethical and manipulative business practices. I really don't know how he managed to overlook this. Perhaps he's just not very intelligent.
@@nissan_skylineI’m pretty sure he’s lying because those things you pointed out. I’m 26mins through Karl’s video and I haven’t heard that man discuss or refute one actual point that Karl made. He’s barely discussing the same topic, instead he goes on attacking his straw man and making implications about Karl.
I don’t want to believe that a man that can speak so well and seems to be at least moderately successful, could watch Karl’s video and so clearly miss the point.
Maybe I can chalk it up to him being so close to the situation and emotionally invested that he subconsciously blocked out the point of the video because it would make him feel like his was played for a fool if he was/is a regular patron of Wata and Heritage. But even then, I would expect him to defend those companies directly if that were the case and he hasn’t referenced them or their owners yet.
Edit: finished the video; he did start referencing Wata and some of Karl’s actual points but he straight up lied about all of them. Yeah, this dude was lying the whole time.
“Priceless lady and the tramp poster worth 40,000 dollars” something seems off here
You're right. It was another faked story. I forget what happened, but it wasn't how it was reported.
The only priceless thing was that blunder.
“This guy insults my very being to the core, but please don’t attack or harass him. I don’t want to be the cause to spark up hate.”
Words from an Absolute Legend
Agreed good on Karl for maintaining the high road. the internet is the internet tho, there have been and will always be the "for the lulz" crowd. (i am aware that reference dates myself but point still stands)
From*
Facts
Karl is a legend, but lets not be fanatic here. He did it to cover his own ass
@@kathypierson1128 Hi, that does not make sense. thanks and have a great day.
I love how he attacks your "dramatic music and narrative tone" while having the most aggressively manipulative and dramatic editing I've seen outside of a narrative critical social media post within a live action teens movie.
For real. The incessant foghorns and meme edits make him sound absolutely juvenile. Who's his audience meant to be, five year olds?
@@PrimroseParadoxthere’s more young children in CZcams than you think
Hey Joe! Stop looking for a balanced story/view ... as he told. We have to fit his stereotypes! Hehehehhee
This guy is really something special. Not only the strawmen, but also these useless red herrings like mentioned by you, Joe. This narrow and strange concentration about the form/presentation (the music/tone) and not the content (the actual points, Karl made) can only arise from the mind of a child. If a stutterer reports that your car is burning ... you get out ... fast! This guy instead wants to discuss stuttering. And the icing of the cake is that he is first insulting Carl and immediately after that his viewers, us. What a clown. **facepalm** (I really don't want to know how this guy did come to wealth ...)
I hate the way he pronounced Mario. It's Mah Ree Yo not Mare ee yo. Instantly lost credibility.
@@AfricanLionBatIt’s a me, Mary yo
38:00 that guy lost all credibility at that exact moment. That cut was intentional and proves he's being deceptive.
I don’t know what’s worse: the fact that the entire video boils down to him saying “waaah you foiled my plans, now I’m gonna whine about it”; or the fact that it’s so littered with memes and cartoony edits that it’s literally impossible to take anything he says seriously.
Dont forget stock photos and videos
Yes
My favourite piece of irony that locked my attention was how that guy kept slamming you for using click-baiting practices while simultaneously editing his video like a 16 yr old's CZcams debut 'prank gone sexual' video
When he said something along the lines of “look past the dramatic music” about Karl’s video, meanwhile he seemingly downloaded the attack ad sound effect starter pack.
@@TheLukeHines Do Karl's videos even have music outside of the sounds of a given clip he may be showing?
Yeah. In the beginning Karl said his video is going to make that guy's video look bad, but for me that was not the case. They guy himself made his video look bad. It's honestly so terrible I had to take breaks during watching.
@@MaskedDeath_ Mate, it makes me cringe in just 45 seconds in. And watching further didn't get any better either.
And that lighting. Was he trying to be cute thinking that scary red would subconsciously make you mad? His video did made me mad, subconsciously and consciously, but the red did nothing. The way he talked on the other hand made me feel like he was insulting my intelligence. Then he finished making his point proving that he was indeed insulting my intelligence.
I love that he tried to "who?" a literal video game legend.
It's no surprise that someone who isn't part of the gaming community wouldn't know who Karl is.
I know I'm late to the party, but one of my favorite things about you is how unbiased you are and how much time and effort you put into Investigations, even if it means they come at you legally. Keep up the amazing work you absolute legend
33:40
"i had no money ... thank god my brother in law was in town for passover ... he told me to start a hedge fund"
violence
He was so confident in his argument that he has taken down every piece of his content online.
That's weird..
And nothing of value was lost.
He did? Seriously? Who was that anyway?
Pffft wow
Lost media andy
I feel a little embarrassed every time he confidently believes he makes a good point.
ditto
He knows he's talking BS, but he doesn't care as long as the video gets exposure. If he manages to convince even one dope to pay him a million dollars for a sealed game, then it's a huge W.
This is pure speculation and not based on anything other than an idea I pulled out of my ass... but I would not be surprised if it's later revealed that his video was made only because he was secretly hired by WATA Games to make an "independently created" video supprting them.
I can't think of very many people who would simp for a company as much as this guy did, and out of the goodness of their own hearts.
He's a salesman, he knows its BS
@@nickfifteen I am not by any means saying that you are wrong (as I am just speculating too), but I do want to say that he has a literal wall of WATA sealed games behind him... that is very good reason to make a video like this. That being said, I truly think that it is a combination of yours too. I think he was hired, or atleast heavily influenced, by WATA and the fact that he also had prior motivation drove him to commit.
Regardless of the matter at hand, twisting other's statement out of context is inexcusable. People like that don't deserve trust. No one should be buying anything from that "collector".
Okay so watching people lie like this is so painful and I’m really glad that you replied so beautifully. Honestly, I enjoy people reasonably responding to deceitful videos, it just feels good to know that lies like this don’t just stand without question.
That was so cringy to watch. The editing, the smugness, the lies... I don't know how Karl watched it all multiple times to make this video.
I grade his smugness 95, top notch stuff! Unbearable to watch.
Karl probably hit the nail on the head with his remark, I can't picture adults watching this guy.
Yeah his cockiness is just unbearable to listen to, like nails on a freaking chalkboard
Don't forget the music. Why do people like him always use that kind of music?
for real, like only watching a snippet of it already making me feel irritated as fuck. I can't imagine how angry I gonna feel if I have to watch the full video.
@@crazy_man7578 If you've seen 5 minutes, you've seen it all. Bad arguments all around. I couldn't even be bothered to check how many subscribers the guy has, that's how uninteresting this all is
Don’t trust anyone that pronounces his name “Mayrio” but claims to be an adamant video game collector.
Could the pronunciation be a regional thing? Retro Wolf a New Yorker pronounces it the same way. 🤷🏻♂️
No.. lol it's clear defiance of actuality. Every human being on Earth knows the name and how to pronounce it lol.
@@doublearon9942 Considering he shouts his name in most title screens, I doubt it.
Sorry to tell you, but thats how every other person on the planet pronounces it outside of America. After all its an Italian name, and its pronounced mArio, not mOrio.
Right? It's weird because Mario is a proper noun, those have specific pronunciation, and he says his name in the games. You don't even need to have played the specific one 😩
It appears mad dog took down his video and had comments turned off beforehand. He is a coward and not worth wasting energy on.
Great video. I remember meeting Silvester McCoy and I asked him to sign a Doctor Who card I had of his Doctor and he was so happy when I asked him to personalise it because it meant I had no interest in selling it. We had a really good chat about the upside and downside of the collectable market.
Would this be around the time the Big Finish audios started releasing?
"You know who's a great soft target for me to lie about in my video? Karl Jobst. The guy who literally debunks and archives hoaxes, cheats, and lies." 🙄
"Clearly this is a good idea, and will in no way backfire against me."
Clueless
The one guy that Billy Mitchell couldn't make back down. Yea, that's the target I wanna go after empty-handed🤷
The fact that they made a video specifically calling you out Karl, means you're on point, and hitting all the right nerves.
I do agree that he uses a lot of clickbaity bullshit in his titles though, this one included. I know that's part of the youtube game, but it is still gross.
@@SGFTI ok scammer.
@@SGFTI you need to silence yourself
Karl dismantled their racket . Wata games makes untold amounts of money for making bogus non sense ratings.Its silly. This guys attitude towards Karl is just as bad and is indicative of what they are all trying to do. They thought they were clever but the house of cards they built just got exposed for millions of people to see
@@SGFTI How is this clickbait? In this video, a video game collector called him a fraud, and that's exactly the title of the video.
You don't have to apologize for making an honest living. Love your videos
The guy will advertise anything for money, I don't know how "honest" his living is.
Hi. I am not even close to be fluent in english but 100% props for you.🎉
Fighting/debating manipulative speakers is important thing as there is more and more of them.
You're doing a great job at presenting topics as objectively as possible. With subtle imperfections sometimes byt still high level.
:)
How dare you expose his greed and openly manipulative tactics as an investor to your audience! How’s he supposed to scam video game investors now?
Funny enough, I could see this being an exact way a telephone scammer would say to scambaiters as well 🤣
🤣👍🏼
how many times do we have to teach you this lesson old man
'Bald man' might have worked better here, heh heh...
Always at least one more time. Or so they think.
@@Frightnoodle no need to name call, regardless of what he said
@@GyrateMeHoe I agree, but I also think it's a better descriptive word to tailor the meme to him
Where can I find the guy's original video?
I know it’s late but this was so well done man. Wish you and everyone else nothing but the best !
Karl might want to seriously consider, becoming a "Legal bod'
The original video you covered was so difficult to watch, you did well to keep calm and respond as you did.
Karl is such a saint. He dismantled this man’s entire video without insulting or degrading the man and was calm and composed the entire time. Amazing work, Karl.
Karl Shapiro calmly DISMANTLES beta males entire Ponzi scheme
@@dopaminedreams1122 Karl “Based and Redpilled” Jobst? Uhhhhh I think so
you would think hes gods gift to earth the way you fans suck him off
It would have been super easy, too.
Agreed but sometimes idiots like the hater he has need to get made fun of
His response felt like "You're no real gangster, you have no idea about extortion, so leave us honest criminals alone!!"
lmao
The only reason this guy is taking issue with Karl is because he just happens to be the one that made the video exposing this scam. I really think his main issue is that he’d prefer to bury his head in the sand and be in denial about how much he overpaid and that he got scammed. It’s likely that he’s also just mad that this scandal devalued his collection.
@Karl Jobst Unfortunately, when people buy a crap car, they take it to a mechanic. The mechanic tells them the car is a lemon and they paid more than it's worth. The person becomes angry with the mechanic. This often how the world works, people become angry with the person who speaks the truth, instead of becoming angry at the problem.
I almost forgot I'm in that guy's dumb video. Sweet lord the dishonesty on display.
Hey. Great to see a comment from one of the main affected by the "collector". I hope he deletes his videos and make a public apology about misrepresenting you, Karl, and many other people who got involved there.
@@forgiveman He's made his channel private at least, so that's a good start
@@forgiveman Correction, the channel isn't private, he just deleted all the videos on his channel
I'm afraid you won't be able to view such dishonesty in its entirety again-- Mad Dog Collection's has either deleted or privated all his CZcams videos.
It's insane to me how much dishonesty he can display. He literally just crops out the start of the phrase and turns what you are saying on the opposite, and show something from the SAME stream that contradicts it to make you sound crazy or something? Holy sh*t, that's insane.
That collector guy has pretty much the EXACT same energy as those people that defend NFTs on the Internet. It's almost like this type of dishonesty is often practiced by the same types of people, no matter where you look.
What is "dishonest" about NFTs?
@@JT-hk9ur paying to "own" something that you have no copyright over in hopes you can "sell" it to someone for a high price is very close to being the quintessential example of a scam.
It's literally a market that involves buying and selling stuff that has no inherent value whatsoever. At least old school stocks are associated with businesses that actually do something.
People who try to get people into buying NFTs are pretty much the 2020s equivalent of pyramid scheme flingers.
@@JT-hk9ur They're a ponzi scheme
@@JT-hk9ur scam, art-theft, environmental issue, money-laundering, the list goes on
@@JT-hk9ur
Claiming they have any real value for one thing.
It's like buying a ticket to the Louvre and claiming you own the Mona Lisa. Except that ticket costs millions of euros instead of the 15 that everyone else pays. And it emits toxic gas. And instead of a one of a kind by Leonardo da Vinci, the painting was one of hundreds of nearly identical copies made by someone who never painted anything before they wanted to get rich off of it.
And that person had less artistic skill that a four year old. (Okay this part is just opinion, but the rest is basically how it works)
It makes no sense that the pandemic created demand for games that you can't even play. Also, you did a great job keeping this objective!
I know, right?
In the pandemic I did indeed get bored and felt a longing for some retro games so I bought the NES and SNES classic editions so I could actually play the games instead of just looking at some sealed boxes sitting on a shelf.
@@WinstonSmith685 You've gone more retro than me... but I'd love to go back and play OG games again, like Zelda, Metroid, SuperMario, etc!
Karl, I only have a passing interest in the topics you cover, but I still find your videos insightful and engaging. It's obvious to any of your regular viewers that the videos you create have value. Keep up the good work and don't let the idiots get you down.
The thing that really gets me is that this guy is basically stating that video game collecting is a worthless hobby unless you can sell your collection for millions of dollars. Video game collecting isn’t about who has the more expensive game, collecting in general is about collecting something your passionate about
Indeed. Which is why he isn't a collector, he's an investor.
@@d.n4203 He's an opportunist. He's only interested in investing in games because of the speculative value they will have in the future. Collecting for 10 years in something that has exploded in the last 10 years is his tell. We, as in the gaming community, would never know who this guy was, had Cabbage Patch Kids exploded in popularity, the way retro gaming did.
I kinda got that impression too.
Did he have a channel before this video?
@@Rabbit-the-One Evidently yes, but he blew that.
This guy sounds like he's trying to convince us to join his pyramid scheme of buying overpriced graded games so we can become rich 😂
That is exactly what it is to them.
I kept having flashbacks to the height of the NFT craze.
Yeah, like those guys who do presentations: "How to make money!" and the answer is always "just give me your money"
@@sock2828 I mean, it's the same thing, speculative bubbles inflated on pure promotion.
*HE becomes rich
Guy's editing makes me think of when I was an edgy teen and trying to make "the most awesome and dramatic vid ever" (luckily it never got done)
Very nice video, all that guy managed to do was get even more eyes on the situation making it even worse.
karl jobst is a savage. he starts the video with "look i'm about to destroy this dude; the beating i'm boutta give him will be more than enough so please don't join in"
Honestly yeah. If anything we should be seeing if he needs a doctor after this. It was so one sided i almost pitied him just for losing so bad to Karl but then he would speak and annoy me again.
There is a difference between a well manered, public and personal response, vs a bunch of angry fans writing hate comments with half wrong facts.
Karl just has the gift to beat his opponents bloody with words, without ever being rude or lying.
@@sagichdirdochnicht4653 well in their defense, they did give him a LOT of ammunition
The moral of this story is: Do not go after Jobst unless you have absolute irrefutable proof of him being wrong. He will systematically tear you apart. Just don't even try him.
I think it's common amongst all Aussies
Jobst would make a great lawyer.
Also, Jobst (the name) comes from Iyov, a biblical character who goes through extreme misfortune at the hands of god yet still stands,
A fitting name, for certain.
I feel like if you have actual, real proof that Karl was wrong about something, he'd thank you for correcting him.
@@HeyDonutJudge pretty sure i've already seen a video where he corrected himself and shoutouted the dude who corrected him and thanked him.
The way he cut together the clips there in the end is absolutely disgusting and you could've just shown that part and dropped the mic. Great video as always Jobst Who?? :D I've been bingewatching your stuff lately. Keep it up!
This video gets me every time, absolute classic. Watching a man get confronted with the truth and then start coping as hard as he can, throwing out everything from all the logical fallacies in the book, to a whole bunch of frivolous arguments that could be turned around right back on to him just as easily, it never gets old.
I really like the contrast between Karl's cool, neutral way of presenting his arguments and that collector's cynical, bad faith delivery. Even regardless of the actual arguments, the latter loses all credibility from the get-go.
small brain-big effort responses are the best ones.
There's also the contrast of Karl's professional presentation and the collector's obnoxious effects. That alone would turn me against them if I didn't know anything about this before now.
The investor guy lost me with the first wHaCkY eFfEcT wave. You just know immediately that it's style over substance, and that he has no leg to stand on. Meanwhile, Jobst keeps it professional, and has actual rebuttals.
@@ctnc6059 God, yes, his editing is *so* goddamn obnoxious.
Yes, went in with an open mind and it comes off like Saul Goodman but without the charisma.
For me a collector is easy to identify. They go "Check out this! How cool is this?!" then ramble for the next hour about the history of the item.
What they don't do is brag about the future value of a collectible and how much they bought it for because at that point it's not the item they care about but just the value it has or could potentially have which is no different from just throwing actual money on a table and talking about how they are investing it.
A real collector only knows the value of someone else's appreciation
Kinda like NFTs. They lure you in with neat randomized images that you can "own" via some weird new techno-voodoo. That's nice. I like that part.
But then they won't shut up about the resale value and the explosive market potential and why it's a bargain to pay $300 for a link to a jpg.
Well said
Good example was when myself and my brother went to a video game store a few weeks ago and me and the guy behind the counter were able to ramble on and explain the history of Night Trap to him since he just thought the cover looked cool.
There pretty much are collectors who care about the item and investors who only care about the value of the item but somehow the investors think they are just normal collectors and that it's different from NFTs, Crypto Currency and stuff like that.
Don't get me wrong, collectors can also care about the value of something they collect but if you _only_ care about making money from it you're not a collector, you're an investor.
The first video you did on this inspired me to pick up a copy of two games that were extremely important to me and put them in super nice acrylic cases to keep them nice, as a little reminder of how valuable they are to me.
great video keep up the good work on shedding light on the real industry issues.
I don't know, you guys... Karl might've backed up his arguments with stats and clips of people saying and doing exactly what he's talking about, putting forth irrefutable proof, however, the other guy had compelling stock footage to back up his metaphorical buzzword salad and skillfully avoided Karl's points with strawman-arguments left and right.
I'll still go with Karl on this one though because he's slightly more handsome, in my opinion.
lol
Yeah between karl and a guy who looks like peter molyneu i”ll go for karl
Forgot the fact that the other guy has a Royal Rumble match, in the background, of his video lmao
Also Karl is an ABSOLUTE LEGEND which this other guy is clearly not
How could he take that clip of Pat, cut out the first sentence, and then try and convince us this is not absolutely deceitful on his part? That alone shows he 100% knows he is totally in on the long-con.
Guy owes Pat an apology imo
Honestly, the fact he tries to discredit Pat as a genuine collector because Pat allegedly said that wrapped games should be unwrapped because they are meant to be played says enough about what kind of a person he is.
You can't just have a fun hobby. It's all business in his head.
The irony is he is basically doing everything he is blaming Karl... specially the whole "Creating click bait videos" and he literally does the lowest common denominator video - ie. response debunk video to ride the coat tails of a much more popular video xD
This guy is a clown. Good lord. Him slamming pat like that physically hurt me.
@@RocKM001 Honestly, he probably just jealous that his channel are so niece than Karl. Lmao
you know what makes me not trust someone in a "debate" like this? when one of the members of the "debate" goes and attacks the character of the other person, INSTEAD of attacking their talking points, INSTEAD of addressing valid data and evidence thats been brought forth, INSTEAD of talking about the facts, they choose to try to discredit the other person.
Not to mention all the sealed video games he has in the background. Dude has invested a lot. He collects to make money, not because he is passionate about gaming.
Dude made a clown out of himself and then deleted ALL of his youtube video, great job Karl, is amusing to see someone actually using arguments and not crying cause his scam was found out.
Is that why I can't find this baldy's videos? He legit just nuked his entire channel?
@@Kermitgottagun - I came here on the comment section to just to find the name of this piece of shit and give a dislike on the video...
A Bad made video i just ignore, "they will get better, maybe...", but Scammers are imoral by definition, i will take my time to fight back, even if is just a single dislike with very little impact...
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I would be very happy if he got nuked.
@@Kermitgottagun yep lol he supposedly deleted all of his videos
lmao now I feel good. How can people be so slimy and think they can get away with it. He really tried to make that argument sitting in front of a wall of sealed wata games.
His video wasn't even a response. This was the quality rebuttal everyone is sharing? He didn't even bother to address anything Karl said or point out where he was factually incorrect. All he did was attack Karl personally for the entire video. It's the CZcams equivalent of a teenager saying "You mad bro?"
You hit the nail on the head. Clown is the only way to describe him.
I think that the very second that a response starts with an arrogant, mocking and ridiculing tone, belittling the other person, the credibility of the response immediately drops by at least 90%.
People who have actual legit strong counter-arguments to a serious issue do not need to resort to mockery and ridicule.
I was going to post something similar but this covers everything I would have said.
Very much this. Just reminds me of a playground bully.
Yes, I seen that at university to. If people start to mock or joke about their topic/subject, I seen professors tell em to cut it out since its makes for an unserious tone and hurts credibility.
The legitimacy of counterarguments is not affected by credibility.
If you can't make a good argument, all you can do is pound the table.
Karl is a representation of what content creators should be.
He is extremely articulate, presents cohesive arguments with lots of research. His level of honesty is so refreshing.
I know nothing about the vintage video game collecting market, so I'm very impartial on this. But, you don't need someone experienced in this to see what Karl was trying to say. Everything in the original video was completely taken out of context and so blatantly disingenuous, it's shocking
Honestly, ,ad respect you straight up showed the profit projections for the video. you had my respect already, but you managed to level it up further with that transparency
I find it wild that this man set out with the goal of restoring the legitimacy of the names of game raters and consciously decided "I'm gonna act and edit this video like my target audience is 7 year olds."
Because his target audience is made up of crypto bros.
Yeah it's almost impressive how bad the delivery is. It's like he's gone back to 2013 CZcams, he's so unfunny
The kind of person that thinks putting more shit in a video means better editting
@@RocketboyX ironically I heard that 7 years old is when you achieve self-awareness, so even they're racing ahead of monopoly money bros
He deleted every video on his channel
This guy isn't trying to convince those who were shocked by your original video. He is trying to soothe the people maintaining the growth of the bubble ao they don't all panic and sell off their stuff. It's the exact same thing as when crypto bros defend NFTs. They need NFTs to be perceived as successful in order to continue profiting of it.
This right here. This comment is as close to the truth as we can prob get on this dudes motives
But the only people who invest in nfts, are the ones who already own some now, so who will be the first to give up and sell and the last one remaining with worthless items?
He is painful to watch and I also get the strong impression of the crypto bros with both hit attitude and style of video.
@@thatitalianlameguy2235 That's the thing, there still is variation among them. There are the ones who got in first who are getting ready for the pump-and-dump, and there are the marks who got in later who are going to be left holding the bag when the market implodes, this twerp is trying to reassure the latter so they don't get spooked and flee before the initial speculators are ready to sell.
@@aaronlemoine3707 the way it's delivered is so malicious and villainous. Very strong bully vibes with the way he's acting. Very unnatural and instrumental. Actually reminds me a lot of christian fundamentalist "science debunking" videos, where the goal is similar: to discredit those who are promoting inconvenient truths.
this opened my eyes, made me realize how they do this with everything and not just games... this world makes me sick.
wild that seeing this a year after this whole thing happened and trying to watch the video that this in response too only to find out that its been removed/privated/deleted really shows that the other person came to realize they were greatly in the wrong
"The trick is to turn something no one would care about into something exciting."
As someone who isn't particularly interested in speedruns, I can say you have mastered this art. Not many people can do that.
I would say there are two Karl is one, the other is Goose , I think Goise is arguably the best in a much narrower niche
@@learntooilpaint also, summoning salt, for his ability to craft a story around a game's speed run history.
Very much this.
Yeah, I liked occasionally searching and watching for glitch videos - but Karl's channel drew me in with his levelheaded commentary.
@@SmogginMog I got into Goose earlier who has a very nice storytelling style, with a good narration voice. Jobst appeared in many of those videos and I heard of him on there
As a supporter of over 2 years now, can confirm that I am an idiot not here for fair and honest reporting. I'm just here for the chocolate ad discounts 🍫
AHA!! GOTCHA!!!
If that guy ever makes a response to this video, I can imagine him taking a screenshot of this comment and using it as evidence to prove his argument against Karl 😂
@@icecreamcake5381 Fr we gonna be famous in a few months
@@icecreamcake5381 i hope he includes me in the screenshot
@@icecreamcake5381 I doubt he will. He privated his entire channel.
The man couldn't even pronounce "Mario" right, let alone "Karl Jobst"
His inability to correctly pronounce Mario instantly told me everything I needed to know.
This was great! Systematically demolishing the guy, point by point. When Karl has a basket full of brains, and someone with a hamster wheel uses a thesaurus in an attempt to make him look inept. Love it. The fact that Karl has people after him demonstates how close to the bone he cut with his exposè. Keep up the great work bud. 👍
When he described sealed video games as an 'investible asset' it felt like I had a spider-sense that was going off. Real crypto/NFT vibes.
Con artists all have a certain cadence about them.
@@Thor-Orion except for the good ones
@@nyalan8385 there is no good ones, only more stupid people.
I could tell he would be a nft scam bro by the crazy look in his eyes.
Investable assets are a real thing. The issue with Crypto and NFT is the market is full of scammers and grifters. Jewelry, watches and things of that nature are Investable assets and are more akin to the video games in this instance. A rare physical item that more people want to own than their are copies available.
This guy gives off major scammer vibes, but not because he called it an Investable asset. That's a legitimate term.
Man really said, with his wall of collected video games behind him, opening the video with how much video game collections are getting to be worth, that Karl was the one doing it for money.
How much stock do you think he has imma more than 10 million
@@levievil9220 probably around $160-200k. No way he actually has anything that valuable in his collection, he just hopes to. He’s dirt broke, and alone
@@salineaddict9850 true but probably depends on what games he has
Speculators love speculating, both on pointless products they think they can sell to unfortunate people and on the motivations of people who call them out (which funnily enough are easy to attribute to them instead).
I mean, he’s rich enough to act like people had “nothing to spend their hard-earned dollars on” when the prices of essential goods was rising and making life for regular people hard
Just doing some catching up. Awesome brilliant content yet again. Keep doing the Lords work, my friend.
17:34 using that guys own knowledge he's not a journalist so he can't know what he's talking about.
HYPOCRITE CONFIRMED!
Love your videos dude.
The sole goal of this dude’s video wasn’t to make a comprehensive, engaging argument. His goal was to appeal to the people who your video hurt, who he knows won’t watch your video, and will take his word at face value, in order to drum up support against you, probably in an attempt to strong arm you into either changing the video, or to remove it entirely.
Sounds like Billy Mitchell all over again 😂
@@dspl1991 oh God, not another Billy Mitchell
@@dspl1991 sssshhhh, don't say that name out loud or he will come to sue us all.
@@peterpuke2841 too late the paperwork is already filed.
@@treyparkerofficial No it wasn't filed, that's why the case was dismissed~
Jobst : Gives out detailed video of how two companies is engaged in a massive scam
This dude : Look he is a youtuber, obviously he is lying.
LMAO
I mean, 99% of the time that logic would have worked lmao
The best part about implying Karl's a liar because he's a CZcamsr is that this guy is apparently himself a CZcamsr. Karl really didn't even need to make a video like this. Most of the guy's points end up getting refuted later on by himself.
You got to love how he keeps calling himself a collector when he's being a speculator. He knows that if he was honest about even that, the average viewer will question his motives since collectors and re-sellers are two very different things.
Real passionate collectors will have some sealed copies as their "centerpiece" in their collection and will definitely own an opened copy for regular play.
Game "resellers" will just argue over what part of their hoard is the most valuable at the moment and hypothetically how much money they'd make selling it all, they don't even see them as games anymore
I like how he used a picture of me too, and simulated that I was crying. lol
Lol I was tripping out about that
It only makes them look stupid and petty
when someone makes a video about me, i would try to not call it a true crime video......
One of the many problems is the fact that when he says "collectors" his mind immediately goes to those millionaires who buy video games as an investment. Not the people eho might not have money but have huge passion for collecting video games to keep them.
I find it hilarious how he said, "When did Karl become the authority on this topic?". Since when does someone need to be an authority to make valid and reasonable points on a matter?
"I don't know, I'm not a biologist."
Like all reasonable people know, just because someone isn't a chef doesn't mean they can't tell you shat on a plate and called it fillet mignon.
Yeah, that's a "call to authority fallacy" if there ever was one.
Ah yes, the gatekeeping armchair investor. Definately not a sign of corruption 💀
I don't need to be an authority or a math expert to know 2+2=4. I'm not a mathematician but I'm still able to do the math and can tell when someone gives a BS answer to a math problem. But according to the guy in the video because I'm not a mathematician I have no right to claim 2+2=4.
Ethics, morals, and common sense aside, laws are laws. Those are concrete rules. And yes laws can change but when they are in place as they are it's pretty clear-cut what they mean. I don't need to be a judge to know what murder looks like. I can't arrest, prosecute, or charge the murderer but I know what it looks like if I see it happen.
Jobst may not be a lawyer, a grader, or a judge and jury, but he and anyone else with intelligent thought can see the laws and the evidence. And yes not all collecting or grading is fraudulent or unethical but it's like anything else. One bad apple makes the entire batch look wrong.
No wonder he's attacking you with all of these obvious lies. He's trying to reach out to his target audience (the gullible idiots) so he can sell off his own scammed investment!
Exactly, he's not stupid. We get it, his audience won't, and they'll eat up all the dramatic music, the strawman arguments, the blatant misdirection, the simple digestible narrative - he's pandering to the lowest common denominator.
It's all classic huckster prevarication, he has no interest in the truth or in making a good argument. Like the spineless mollusc he is, he expels a cloud of ink and flees back to his lair.
No wonder we have so many blockheads in office.
Scammers over the phone do this, too. If you're smart enough to see through their obvious lies? Dropped like a rock. They'll never call you again with the intent to scam, only to harass and annoy if you were an especially egregious example. I called my scammer a "benchode bosedeke" and he immediately hung up. I received calls for like two weeks. Presumably his boss told him to knock it off and call people they can actually scam, I dunno why he stopped.
It filters out people who are going to waste the scammer's time. That way, they're only interacting with stupid people, and you know what they say about parting a fool from his money...
The way that dude articulates himself and gestures as if he's smarter than everyone whilst attacking Jobst with what can only be described as absolutely nothing but bad and illogical arguments is just a killer combo cognitive dissonance is hurting my brain
I always feel there is a massive divide between 'collectors', and 'investors', and this video is a great show of that.
Personally, while I don't consider myself a collector, I have a wall of my absolute favourite video games beside my TV. A good 50 or so PS2 games, a good amount of Sega and Atari games. I buy for personal use, popping an old copy of Sonic or something to that effect into a console for a few hours of playing a game I view fondly. I could never consider selling these things, only expand my collection of things I have fond memories of or always wanted when I was at that age. While I personally have never had a game graded, I have bought one graded game in the past. It is a copy of Pokemon Silver, which is the very first video game that I had 100% ownership of myself, being the youngest of 4 kids who all shared family consoles. I have it as a 'prestige' item. It is not a high grade, just a 7.2. But to me it is more about having this piece of my childhood on display rather than having an expensive item which I can sell for a million dollars down the line. This is never going to be my intent.
This person in this video only really speaks of collectors as people with intent to sell, seeking a return on some investment on a thing. Nothing is wrong with that, of course, but he does seem to paint people like myself in a bad light.
This guy has the most unlikable qualities I have seen in a while. You can see why he is trying so desperately to assassinate Karl's character. That collection behind him wouldn't be worth half as much as what him and the likes of him intend it to be. Well done, Karl, you rustled the hornets nest and we are with ya.